And I regret it.

It was just awful.

Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.

It was just disgusting.

Why do people eat this crap?

On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:17:04 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:


> And I regret it.
>
> It was just awful.
>
> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>

Did you think you were you were going to get a cheesesteak?

No, you got what you ordered -- a steak and cheese.

>
> It was just disgusting.

A regular Philly cheesesteak is disgusting, so how was this less disgusting?

> Why do people eat this crap?

Subway sells ordinary lunchmeat sandwiches on soft Italian bread.
If that's what you want, fine. Do not deviate from this.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:17:04 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>And I regret it.
>
>It was just awful.
>
>Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
>choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
>of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
>cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>
>It was just disgusting.
>
>Why do people eat this crap?
>

Their bread is crap. It's like Wonder bread. Freshly baked or not,
crappy breaad is still crappy bread. And I'm sure they get the
cheapest sandwish contents that they can to support their corporate
profits.

But it's better than starving, and certainly better than anything
McCraps makes!

John Kuthe...

On 2013-09-12, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> And I regret it.
>
> It was just awful.
>
> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>
> It was just disgusting.
>
> Why do people eat this crap?

Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
competition being so fierce. Some will let their goods go too long
(age) before discarding. While not a Subway fan, I've occasioned upon
a couple decent one's and they can be OK if the owner does his part
and the cutomer does theirs (old tomato slices are pretty obvious).
I've never tried the steak and cheese, but it sounds like a stretch
offering. You expect the kid to actually cook!? I'd stick with the
basic cold cuts subs and not expect NYC deli fare. Like most chains,
the quality ranges only from decent to abysmal.

BTW, where does anyone who would knowingly accept "Whiz" on anything
get off condemning a product as "just aweful"? That's like saying,
"Their dog turd sandwich is just disgusting". duh.....

nb

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:23:03 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Their bread is crap. It's like Wonder bread. Freshly baked or not,
> crappy breaad is still crappy bread. And I'm sure they get the
> cheapest sandwish contents that they can to support their corporate
> profits.
>
> But it's better than starving, and certainly better than anything
> McCraps makes!
>
> John Kuthe...

Well written, however, even freshly baked Wonderbread is above
average for a fast food sandwich.

Several years ago I occasionally went to Subway, there wasn't
much around for lunch. Adjusting my expectations resulted in
the perception of an acceptable product. However, I was
impressed by their organization. Each of the cold meats were
separated into single servings. This made quantity control
simple and made the line go super fast. I don't know if this
was done at the distribution center or as prep earlier in the
day. Anyway, it was extremely efficient, saving at least one
worker. Strangely, they stopped doing this.

http://www.richardfisher.com

wrote:

> A regular Philly cheesesteak is disgusting, so how was this less
> disgusting?

No!!! A regular Philly cheesesteak from any local pizza parlor - not
the tourist traps - is usually wonderful.

I'm an ex Philly boy - don't talk trash about my Philly cheesesteaks!



-S-

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-09-12, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough
>> to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>> ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>> Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>>
>> Why do people eat this crap?
>
> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
> competition being so fierce. Some will let their goods go too long
> (age) before discarding. While not a Subway fan, I've occasioned upon
> a couple decent one's and they can be OK if the owner does his part
> and the cutomer does theirs (old tomato slices are pretty obvious).
> I've never tried the steak and cheese, but it sounds like a stretch
> offering. You expect the kid to actually cook!? I'd stick with the
> basic cold cuts subs and not expect NYC deli fare. Like most chains,
> the quality ranges only from decent to abysmal.
>
> BTW, where does anyone who would knowingly accept "Whiz" on anything
> get off condemning a product as "just aweful"? That's like saying,
> "Their dog turd sandwich is just disgusting". duh.....


I wasn't expecting much. I was hoping for something that tasted good. I
was hungry and my co-worker chose Subway. I got shit. I can live with no
Whiz and grilled onions no problem. But why sell a "cheese steak sandwich"
that has no cheese and no steak? The "steak" looked like something I feed
to my cats. I will NEVER buy another Subway ever again. I mean even the
bread was CRAP. How badly do you suck when your fresh baked bread isn't fit
for pigeons?

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>> A regular Philly cheesesteak is disgusting, so how was this less
>> disgusting?
>
> No!!! A regular Philly cheesesteak from any local pizza parlor - not the
> tourist traps - is usually wonderful.
>
> I'm an ex Philly boy - don't talk trash about my Philly cheesesteaks!

Even a half-assed copy is great. I don;t eat Whiz and I never have bought
it.l But it sure goes great on a Philly. I just cannot describe the crap
I got. The meat was so gray and dry it must have been frozen several times.
How can they serve something so absolutely terrible and stay in business?
I really only expect something edible not memorable from a place like this.
I wanted lunch, not an experience. What I got was so bad I can't believe I
actually paid money for it.

Next time I'll get a tuna sandwhich from the AM/PM down the road. I
actually like those.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:17:04 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough
>> to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>> ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>> Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>
> Did you think you were you were going to get a cheesesteak?

It said "Cheese steak" so yah I tought I'd get something at least RESEMBLING
one. Had it said "cardboard on stale bread" I may have reconsidered.

> No, you got what you ordered -- a steak and cheese.
>
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>
> A regular Philly cheesesteak is disgusting, so how was this less
> disgusting?

They are divine. Only had a couple in my life. They were the best.

>> Why do people eat this crap?>
> Subway sells ordinary lunchmeat sandwiches on soft Italian bread.
> If that's what you want, fine. Do not deviate from this.

I can't imagine how they'd be any better. The AM/PM down the road has far
better sandwiches at the same price. I'll stick to that despite the risk of
serious illness.

On 9/12/2013 6:45 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-09-12, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>>
>> Why do people eat this crap?
>
> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
> competition being so fierce.


I seldom eat there (maybe once a year), but Subway is one of the more
successful franchise operations with one of the lowest failure rates.
I'm sure that every franchise owner would like to have a 100 mile radius
exclusive market area, but when they sign a franchise agreement, the
exclusivity is spelled out.

http://www.unhappyfranchisee.com/fai...ar-franchises/

George L

On 9/12/2013 2:17 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> And I regret it.
>
> It was just awful.
>
> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>
> It was just disgusting.
>
> Why do people eat this crap?

I've never tried a Subway. They opened one across the street from a
good old fashioned sub shop in my town. I don't know how they have
survived. Some people see a name and go with what they know, I guess.
There's plenty of business to go around.

nancy

On 2013-09-12 9:01 AM, George Leppla wrote:

> I seldom eat there (maybe once a year), but Subway is one of the more
> successful franchise operations with one of the lowest failure rates.
> I'm sure that every franchise owner would like to have a 100 mile radius
> exclusive market area, but when they sign a franchise agreement, the
> exclusivity is spelled out.
>

I ate at Subway a couple times. I was not particularly impressed but it
was not as bad as the OP's experience. When I was working and eating on
the road I usually avoided franchises and there were lots of independent
delis and other sandwich shops where I could get better for less. My
brother used to eat at Subway a lot. He loved their stuff.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/12/2013 2:17 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough
>> to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>> ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>> Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>>
>> Why do people eat this crap?
>
> I've never tried a Subway. They opened one across the street from a
> good old fashioned sub shop in my town. I don't know how they have
> survived. Some people see a name and go with what they know, I guess.
> There's plenty of business to go around.
>

Don't go there. I am serious. The job site I am working has an AM/PM just
a short walk away. I have been far happier just getting a tuna salad
sandwhich and a bottle of water from them and eating it while I get a tank
of gas. Never going to go to another Subway, ever. How can fresh baled
bread be so dry it sticks in yout throat?

On 2013-09-12 9:03 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

> I've never tried a Subway. They opened one across the street from a
> good old fashioned sub shop in my town. I don't know how they have
> survived. Some people see a name and go with what they know, I guess.
> There's plenty of business to go around.
>

For a while I worked out of an office that was a few doors down from a
deli where I could get a freshly made sandwich on a fresh roll with a
soft drink for $1.50 . We are going back a few years. Subway opened up
around the corner and there was an Arby's on the same block. I much
preferred the deli sandwiches for quality and the price. Judging from
the number of people who came in at noon for sandwiches, so did a lot of
other people.

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/12/2013 6:45 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-09-12, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>>> And I regret it.
>>>
>>> It was just awful.
>>>
>>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough
>>> to
>>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>>> ounce
>>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>>> Provolone
>>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>>
>>> It was just disgusting.
>>>
>>> Why do people eat this crap?
>>
>> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
>> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
>> competition being so fierce.
>
>
> I seldom eat there (maybe once a year), but Subway is one of the more
> successful franchise operations with one of the lowest failure rates. I'm
> sure that every franchise owner would like to have a 100 mile radius
> exclusive market area, but when they sign a franchise agreement, the
> exclusivity is spelled out.
>
I have a friend who has a Subway franchise and he told me that they treat
him very well.
Graham

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-09-12 9:03 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I've never tried a Subway. They opened one across the street from a
>> good old fashioned sub shop in my town. I don't know how they have
>> survived. Some people see a name and go with what they know, I guess.
>> There's plenty of business to go around.
>>
>
> For a while I worked out of an office that was a few doors down from a
> deli where I could get a freshly made sandwich on a fresh roll with a soft
> drink for $1.50 . We are going back a few years. Subway opened up around
> the corner and there was an Arby's on the same block. I much preferred the
> deli sandwiches for quality and the price. Judging from the number of
> people who came in at noon for sandwiches, so did a lot of other people.

I ate at an Arby's once. I think it was around the time Bill Clinton just
got elected. I remember the bread was so fake yellow it surely was food
coloring. And the "roast beef" was more like roast beef flavored slices of
paper saturated in salt. I was still drinking pints of water hours later as
the salt content was so high it made my lips shrivel.

I am no food snob. I just want something decent at a fair price. I'll eat
anything as long as it is honest and made with good ingredients. But Subway
is now on my list of never again chain food shops. Never, ever again.
There is bad and there is unforgiveable bad and Subway is the latter.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/12/2013 6:45 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2013-09-12, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>>>> And I regret it.
>>>>
>>>> It was just awful.
>>>>
>>>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough
>>>> to
>>>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>>>> ounce
>>>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>>>> Provolone
>>>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>>>
>>>> It was just disgusting.
>>>>
>>>> Why do people eat this crap?
>>>
>>> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
>>> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
>>> competition being so fierce.
>>
>>
>> I seldom eat there (maybe once a year), but Subway is one of the more
>> successful franchise operations with one of the lowest failure rates. I'm
>> sure that every franchise owner would like to have a 100 mile radius
>> exclusive market area, but when they sign a franchise agreement, the
>> exclusivity is spelled out.
>>
> I have a friend who has a Subway franchise and he told me that they treat
> him very well.


Tell him his food SUCKS.

On 2013-09-12 9:29 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

>>
>> For a while I worked out of an office that was a few doors down from a
>> deli where I could get a freshly made sandwich on a fresh roll with a soft
>> drink for $1.50 . We are going back a few years. Subway opened up around
>> the corner and there was an Arby's on the same block. I much preferred the
>> deli sandwiches for quality and the price. Judging from the number of
>> people who came in at noon for sandwiches, so did a lot of other people.
>
> I ate at an Arby's once. I think it was around the time Bill Clinton just
> got elected. I remember the bread was so fake yellow it surely was food
> coloring. And the "roast beef" was more like roast beef flavored slices of
> paper saturated in salt. I was still drinking pints of water hours later as
> the salt content was so high it made my lips shrivel.
>


I had a look at the contents of my Arby's beef sandwich. It didn't look
like any roast beef from a cow that I ever ate.


> I am no food snob. I just want something decent at a fair price. I'll eat
> anything as long as it is honest and made with good ingredients. But Subway
> is now on my list of never again chain food shops. Never, ever again.
> There is bad and there is unforgiveable bad and Subway is the latter.



My very limited experience with Subway was not that bad. I was not
particularly impressed with the sandwiches or the price. There are lots
of Italian joints around here that have better sandwiches for a lot less.

On 9/12/2013 9:18 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> I've never tried a Subway. They opened one across the street from a
>> good old fashioned sub shop in my town. I don't know how they have
>> survived. Some people see a name and go with what they know, I guess.
>> There's plenty of business to go around.
>>
>
> Don't go there. I am serious. The job site I am working has an AM/PM just
> a short walk away. I have been far happier just getting a tuna salad
> sandwhich and a bottle of water from them and eating it while I get a tank
> of gas. Never going to go to another Subway, ever. How can fresh baled
> bread be so dry it sticks in yout throat?

I haven't been tempted yet, I grew up where they have good subs and
really good pizza. I'm not about to hit Dominoes or Subway. There
is a community college in my town and I have to think they get a lot
of business from the students.

The 'real' sub shop is always packed at lunchtime by 'hard hats' ...
construction guys know where to get a good lunch.

nancy

On 2013-09-12 9:39 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
> The 'real' sub shop is always packed at lunchtime by 'hard hats' ...
> construction guys know where to get a good lunch.
>
That's true. When I was working my jobs had me on the road most of the
time and I worked with a lot of different crews. Over the years I was
introduced to all sorts of places where we could get good food cheap. It
should not be a surprise that none of those places were franchises.
There were a few times when we were working in locations where the only
option in the time we had was a McDs or something crappy like that, and
we had one prosecutor who used to like Red Lobster so we indulged him on
that. The rest were all independents.

On 9/12/2013 7:45 AM, notbob wrote:

>
> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
> competition being so fierce. Some will let their goods go too long
> (age) before discarding. While not a Subway fan, I've occasioned upon
> a couple decent one's and they can be OK if the owner does his part
> and the cutomer does theirs (old tomato slices are pretty obvious).
> I've never tried the steak and cheese, but it sounds like a stretch
> offering. You expect the kid to actually cook!?

Growing up in Philadelphia, I had my share of cheesesteaks. I'd never
buy one from Subway no matter how desperate I was. I've seen the
ingredients and they are nothing like the real deal.

The other sandwiches are a poor imitation of a good Philly hogie too.
I'm amazed that they have so many locations and as a corporation seem
to be doing very ewll.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
> And I regret it.
>
> It was just awful.
>
> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
> ounce of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
> Provolone cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>
> It was just disgusting.
>
> Why do people eat this crap?


I imagine it depends on where you bought it. The Subways where I am have
nice sandwiches, though I haven't had one for awhile so that could have
changed.

Cheri

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:17:04 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough
>> to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>> ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>> Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>>
>> Why do people eat this crap?
>
> I can't get past the smell of the place. It's bad enough having to
> walk past a Subway, let alone go inside.

I sometimes walk past a Subway and it always look pretty full. I can't give
a personal observation because I've never been in, but it must make some
people happy.
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On 9/12/2013 10:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:


> I sometimes walk past a Subway and it always look pretty full. I can't give
> a personal observation because I've never been in, but it must make some
> people happy.
>

Once on a road trip, we stopped at a Subway for a breakfast sandwich.
The girl working there couldn't sell us one because "the omelets haven't
been defrosted yet".

Never mind.

George

On 9/12/2013 11:31 AM, Sqwertz wrote:

>
> I can't get past the smell of the place. It's bad enough having to
> walk past a Subway, let alone go inside.
>
> -sw
>

Maybe it is for authenticity. The New York Subway smells too.
Different small though.

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/12/2013 10:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
>> I sometimes walk past a Subway and it always look pretty full. I can't
>> give
>> a personal observation because I've never been in, but it must make some
>> people happy.
>>
>
> Once on a road trip, we stopped at a Subway for a breakfast sandwich. The
> girl working there couldn't sell us one because "the omelets haven't been
> defrosted yet".
>
> Never mind.

Ohhhhhhh dear. We had a similar thing a long time ago at a 'Little Chef' a
chain which is now defunct. Hmm I wonder why .... They used to be handy
for a quick coffee as you travelled along motorways; there always used to be
one every few miles.

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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:35:17 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> I sometimes walk past a Subway and it always look pretty full. I can't
>> give
>> a personal observation because I've never been in, but it must make some
>> people happy.
>
> People will eventually wise up once they discover places that offer
> real sandwiches. A favorite chain of mine is Jersey Mikes.
>
> Remember that many people out there eat food just for sustenance
> rather than for flavor.

I've seen some of my neighbours in there. Perhaps they just meet friends
.... or perhaps they have no taste)

My DIL used to manage one but we never got there. I must ask if she ate
that stuff.



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On 9/12/2013 12:17 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> And I regret it.
>
> It was just awful.
>
> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>
> It was just disgusting.
>
> Why do people eat this crap?
>
>
For one thing the toasting is highly overrated and oversold. It does, as
you observed, ruin the bread.

That steak and cheese made with double meat would not be bad, though not
deli sub shop quality.

Try substituting the pepper jack cheese, that has a bit more zip.

On 9/12/2013 1:11 AM, wrote:
> A regular Philly cheesesteak is disgusting, so how was this less disgusting?

A proper Philly cheesesteak (no cheez whiz thanks) is not disgusting,
it's heaven in an Amarellos bun.

It's the bread and the slice of the prime rib that make it. If you use
cheap meat and a cheap bun, it's ruination.

On 9/12/2013 5:23 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:17:04 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>>
>> Why do people eat this crap?
>>
>
> Their bread is crap. It's like Wonder bread. Freshly baked or not,
> crappy breaad is still crappy bread. And I'm sure they get the
> cheapest sandwish contents that they can to support their corporate
> profits.

I disagree, the multi-grain bread is very nice, not Whole Foods nice,
but respectable.

>
> But it's better than starving, and certainly better than anything
> McCraps makes!

Amen.

>
> John Kuthe...
>

On 9/12/2013 5:45 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-09-12, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1 ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>>
>> Why do people eat this crap?
>
> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
> competition being so fierce. Some will let their goods go too long
> (age) before discarding. While not a Subway fan, I've occasioned upon
> a couple decent one's and they can be OK if the owner does his part
> and the cutomer does theirs (old tomato slices are pretty obvious).
> I've never tried the steak and cheese, but it sounds like a stretch
> offering. You expect the kid to actually cook!? I'd stick with the
> basic cold cuts subs and not expect NYC deli fare. Like most chains,
> the quality ranges only from decent to abysmal.
>
> BTW, where does anyone who would knowingly accept "Whiz" on anything
> get off condemning a product as "just aweful"? That's like saying,
> "Their dog turd sandwich is just disgusting". duh.....
>
> nb
>

Believe it or not Cheez Whiz is traditional, or was.

I think even in Philly these days provolone (the real kind) is preferred.

Your observation on variable quality by franchise is apt. We had bread
at a rural truck stop Subway that must have been days old, never again
for that dive.

On 9/12/2013 6:08 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> A regular Philly cheesesteak is disgusting, so how was this less
>> disgusting?
>
> No!!! A regular Philly cheesesteak from any local pizza parlor - not
> the tourist traps - is usually wonderful.
>
> I'm an ex Philly boy - don't talk trash about my Philly cheesesteaks!
>
>
>
> -S-
>
>
Been there, eaten several, heaven in your mouth. It's the bread and the
prime rib shaved so thin.

On 9/12/2013 7:03 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/12/2013 2:17 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> And I regret it.
>>
>> It was just awful.
>>
>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't
>> enough to
>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>> ounce
>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>> Provolone
>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>
>> It was just disgusting.
>>
>> Why do people eat this crap?
>
> I've never tried a Subway. They opened one across the street from a
> good old fashioned sub shop in my town. I don't know how they have
> survived. Some people see a name and go with what they know, I guess.
> There's plenty of business to go around.
>
> nancy

Two words - price point.

On 9/12/2013 7:29 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2013-09-12 9:03 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> I've never tried a Subway. They opened one across the street from a
>>> good old fashioned sub shop in my town. I don't know how they have
>>> survived. Some people see a name and go with what they know, I guess.
>>> There's plenty of business to go around.
>>>
>>
>> For a while I worked out of an office that was a few doors down from a
>> deli where I could get a freshly made sandwich on a fresh roll with a soft
>> drink for $1.50 . We are going back a few years. Subway opened up around
>> the corner and there was an Arby's on the same block. I much preferred the
>> deli sandwiches for quality and the price. Judging from the number of
>> people who came in at noon for sandwiches, so did a lot of other people.
>
> I ate at an Arby's once. I think it was around the time Bill Clinton just
> got elected. I remember the bread was so fake yellow it surely was food
> coloring. And the "roast beef" was more like roast beef flavored slices of
> paper saturated in salt. I was still drinking pints of water hours later as
> the salt content was so high it made my lips shrivel.

Arby's meat is a pre-formed and pressed loaf.

As such it is, well...loafy...

There is a franchise that used to have a real sliced beef sandwich,
Hardees, but I think they are all but gone now.


> I am no food snob. I just want something decent at a fair price. I'll eat
> anything as long as it is honest and made with good ingredients. But Subway
> is now on my list of never again chain food shops. Never, ever again.
> There is bad and there is unforgiveable bad and Subway is the latter.

That was a one shop experience for chain that numbers thousands.

Go to yelp.com, read local reviews, even for fast food you can find wide
variations.

On 9/12/2013 7:32 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/12/2013 6:45 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2013-09-12, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>>>>> And I regret it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was just awful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bread was so dry after the toasting even a quart of water wasn't enough
>>>>> to
>>>>> choke that bitch down. I ordered the steak and cheese. I got maybe 1
>>>>> ounce
>>>>> of chopped steak that was so dry I had to blow the dust off. The
>>>>> Provolone
>>>>> cheese was tasteless. They had no onions or Whiz.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was just disgusting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do people eat this crap?
>>>>
>>>> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
>>>> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
>>>> competition being so fierce.
>>>
>>>
>>> I seldom eat there (maybe once a year), but Subway is one of the more
>>> successful franchise operations with one of the lowest failure rates. I'm
>>> sure that every franchise owner would like to have a 100 mile radius
>>> exclusive market area, but when they sign a franchise agreement, the
>>> exclusivity is spelled out.
>>>
>> I have a friend who has a Subway franchise and he told me that they treat
>> him very well.
>
>
> Tell him his food SUCKS.
>
>
Does it, how would you know?

They're not all the same place.

On 9/12/2013 12:21 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:35:17 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> I sometimes walk past a Subway and it always look pretty full. I can't give
>> a personal observation because I've never been in, but it must make some
>> people happy.
>
> People will eventually wise up once they discover places that offer
> real sandwiches. A favorite chain of mine is Jersey Mikes.

Holy crow, Jersey Mike's made it that far?? We were just talking
about it (relevent to this thread) and Ron said it's a pretty good
sub shop.

I thought it was still relatively local.

nancy

On 9/12/2013 7:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2013-09-12 9:29 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>>
>>> For a while I worked out of an office that was a few doors down from a
>>> deli where I could get a freshly made sandwich on a fresh roll with a
>>> soft
>>> drink for $1.50 . We are going back a few years. Subway opened up
>>> around
>>> the corner and there was an Arby's on the same block. I much
>>> preferred the
>>> deli sandwiches for quality and the price. Judging from the number of
>>> people who came in at noon for sandwiches, so did a lot of other people.
>>
>> I ate at an Arby's once. I think it was around the time Bill Clinton
>> just
>> got elected. I remember the bread was so fake yellow it surely was food
>> coloring. And the "roast beef" was more like roast beef flavored
>> slices of
>> paper saturated in salt. I was still drinking pints of water hours
>> later as
>> the salt content was so high it made my lips shrivel.
>>
>
>
> I had a look at the contents of my Arby's beef sandwich. It didn't look
> like any roast beef from a cow that I ever ate.
>

Of course not, it's a processsed meat loaf.

>
>> I am no food snob. I just want something decent at a fair price.
>> I'll eat
>> anything as long as it is honest and made with good ingredients. But
>> Subway
>> is now on my list of never again chain food shops. Never, ever again.
>> There is bad and there is unforgiveable bad and Subway is the latter.
>
>
>
> My very limited experience with Subway was not that bad. I was not
> particularly impressed with the sandwiches or the price. There are lots
> of Italian joints around here that have better sandwiches for a lot less.

On 9/12/2013 8:12 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/12/2013 7:45 AM, notbob wrote:
>
>>
>> Subway is notorious for overselling their fanchise territories, so
>> it's a crap shoot as to whether or not one is any good, the
>> competition being so fierce. Some will let their goods go too long
>> (age) before discarding. While not a Subway fan, I've occasioned upon
>> a couple decent one's and they can be OK if the owner does his part
>> and the cutomer does theirs (old tomato slices are pretty obvious).
>> I've never tried the steak and cheese, but it sounds like a stretch
>> offering. You expect the kid to actually cook!?
>
> Growing up in Philadelphia, I had my share of cheesesteaks. I'd never
> buy one from Subway no matter how desperate I was. I've seen the
> ingredients and they are nothing like the real deal.
>
> The other sandwiches are a poor imitation of a good Philly hogie too.
> I'm amazed that they have so many locations and as a corporation seem
> to be doing very ewll.

Of the two biggies, Pats and Genos, which was your personal favorite and
why?

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/12/2013 12:21 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:35:17 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> I sometimes walk past a Subway and it always look pretty full. I can't
>>> give
>>> a personal observation because I've never been in, but it must make some
>>> people happy.
>>
>> People will eventually wise up once they discover places that offer
>> real sandwiches. A favorite chain of mine is Jersey Mikes.
>
> Holy crow, Jersey Mike's made it that far?? We were just talking
> about it (relevent to this thread) and Ron said it's a pretty good
> sub shop.
>
> I thought it was still relatively local.

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On 9/12/2013 10:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:35:17 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> I sometimes walk past a Subway and it always look pretty full. I
>>> can't give
>>> a personal observation because I've never been in, but it must make some
>>> people happy.
>>
>> People will eventually wise up once they discover places that offer
>> real sandwiches. A favorite chain of mine is Jersey Mikes.
>>
>> Remember that many people out there eat food just for sustenance
>> rather than for flavor.
>
> I've seen some of my neighbours in there. Perhaps they just meet
> friends ... or perhaps they have no taste)

My but you truly are the catty sort...

> My DIL used to manage one but we never got there. I must ask if she
> ate that stuff.

So you can make fun of her?