"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
>I realized that I've learned to speak Starbucks-eze.
>
> Even though I drink my own coffee at home and even take it with me in the
> car, there are times, usually when I'm out of town, that I hit the local
> Starbucks. Here's what I order, and it stumps the employees sometimes.
>
> Iced venti breve quad 3-pump caramel latte.
>
> You?
>
> Iced - duh.
>
> Venti - Italian for 20, it's the 20-ounce size, their largest
>
> Breve - made with half-and-half. Their default is 2% milk, yech, at least
> get whole milk.
>
> Quad - a large iced latte defaults to 3 shots of espresso but I prefer 4
> in mine. More coffee and less milk is good.
>
> 3-pump - by default they put 6 pumps of their caramel syrup into a large
> iced latte, which is _way_, _way_ too sweet for me. I like half that
> much, so rather than say "Could you please just use half the amount of
> syrup you normally use?" I just say "3-pump" and get what I want.
>
> Caramel - the above-mentioned caramel syrup in a pump bottle.
>
> Latte - with milk

Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their coffee
to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.

On 2013-09-16 2:17 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Latte - with milk
>
> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their coffee
> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.


Starbucks isn't that bad. There are lots of independents who have better
coffee and maybe even a few smaller franchises that have better, but it
is better than most of the big chains. It is a hell of a lot better
than Tim Hortons, which has become a national obsession here. Starbucks
has had trouble expanding here because they just can't compete with Hortons.

I had to wonder a while back when there was a news report about some guy
who was complaining that he was fired from Starbucks because he was ***.
Judging from the staff I have seen at the Starbucks outlets I have
been to, I was under the impression that it may have been a prerequisite
for employment there.


I go for a coffee at a local bakery coffee shop that sells only fair
trade coffee. Their coffee is always very good. It is IMO the best
coffee around. It costs more than Hortons but less than Starbucks.
There is always room to sit because it has not yet become a poseur
longue like Starbucks has, with all those people who sit and read or
take up a whole table so they can use their laptop and the free wifi for
hours at a time.

On Monday, September 16, 2013 8:17:46 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >I realized that I've learned to speak Starbucks-eze.
>
> >
>
> > Even though I drink my own coffee at home and even take it with me in the
>
> > car, there are times, usually when I'm out of town, that I hit the local
>
> > Starbucks. Here's what I order, and it stumps the employees sometimes.
>
> >
>
> > Iced venti breve quad 3-pump caramel latte.
>
> >
>
> > You?
>
> >
>
> > Iced - duh.
>
> >
>
> > Venti - Italian for 20, it's the 20-ounce size, their largest
>
> >
>
> > Breve - made with half-and-half. Their default is 2% milk, yech, at least
>
> > get whole milk.
>
> >
>
> > Quad - a large iced latte defaults to 3 shots of espresso but I prefer 4
>
> > in mine. More coffee and less milk is good.
>
> >
>
> > 3-pump - by default they put 6 pumps of their caramel syrup into a large
>
> > iced latte, which is _way_, _way_ too sweet for me. I like half that
>
> > much, so rather than say "Could you please just use half the amount of
>
> > syrup you normally use?" I just say "3-pump" and get what I want.
>
> >
>
> > Caramel - the above-mentioned caramel syrup in a pump bottle.
>
> >
>
> > Latte - with milk
>
>
>
> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway..
>
> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>
> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their coffee
>
> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>
> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.

My guess is that their bitter coffee is like a slap to the face/senses the first thing in the morning. Starbucks appeals to the introverted type that have a desire to be a part of a cool and classy culture and are willing to pay the price of membership - an expensive and bitter brew. It's quite similar to Apple in that respect. In fact, I think that Apple and Starbucks should merge and Howard Schultz be made CEO of AppleBucks. The old Apple is fresh out of ideas.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-09-16 2:17 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Latte - with milk
>>
>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>> Subway.
>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>> coffee
>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>
>
> Starbucks isn't that bad.

There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.

I'll stick to Chock Full of Nuts. The only chain coffee I buy is Seattle's
Best which is at best just OK.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:17:46 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
>Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their coffee
>to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.

Agreed. They wouldn't know good coffee if it was staring them in the
face.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:46:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2013-09-16 2:17 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Latte - with milk
>>
>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their coffee
>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>
>
>Starbucks isn't that bad. There are lots of independents who have better
>coffee and maybe even a few smaller franchises that have better, but it
>is better than most of the big chains. It is a hell of a lot better
>than Tim Hortons, which has become a national obsession here. Starbucks
>has had trouble expanding here because they just can't compete with Hortons.
>
>I had to wonder a while back when there was a news report about some guy
>who was complaining that he was fired from Starbucks because he was ***.
> Judging from the staff I have seen at the Starbucks outlets I have
>been to, I was under the impression that it may have been a prerequisite
>for employment there.
>
>
>I go for a coffee at a local bakery coffee shop that sells only fair
>trade coffee. Their coffee is always very good. It is IMO the best
>coffee around.

Lucky you, all the 'fair trade' beans I've tried (and I've tried many)
haven't been very good at all.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2013-09-16 2:17 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Latte - with milk
>>
>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>> coffee
>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>
>
> Starbucks isn't that bad. There are lots of independents who have better
> coffee and maybe even a few smaller franchises that have better, but it
> is better than most of the big chains. It is a hell of a lot better than
> Tim Hortons, which has become a national obsession here. Starbucks has
> had trouble expanding here because they just can't compete with Hortons.
>
> I had to wonder a while back when there was a news report about some guy
> who was complaining that he was fired from Starbucks because he was ***.
> Judging from the staff I have seen at the Starbucks outlets I have been
> to, I was under the impression that it may have been a prerequisite for
> employment there.
>
>
> I go for a coffee at a local bakery coffee shop that sells only fair
> trade coffee. Their coffee is always very good. It is IMO the best
> coffee around. It costs more than Hortons but less than Starbucks. There
> is always room to sit because it has not yet become a poseur longue like
> Starbucks has, with all those people who sit and read or take up a whole
> table so they can use their laptop and the free wifi for hours at a time.
>

My norm now is Fair Trade coffee. I combine three different types. The
last time, though, one of those three was smoky, which had not been the
case before. Question to those in the know: might that mean they were
ocer-roasted?

Right now I am enjoying two other coffees too, one from Whole Foods
(Honduras San Marco(s?); the other being Sumatran Viennese from a little
gourmet shop in Cambridge, Massachusetts. My daughter jotted down the
name, and it didn't sound right to me, but that is what it says on the
bin.

--
--
Jean B.

On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>>> Subway.
>>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>> coffee
>>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>
>>
>> Starbucks isn't that bad.
>
> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.

$6?? Prices must be higher down there.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
> >>> Subway.
> >>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
> >>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
> >>> coffee
> >>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
> >>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
> >>
> >>
> >> Starbucks isn't that bad.
> >
> > There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>
> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.

Perhaps, but even at a Starbucks at an airport a large iced coffee isn't
$6.

On 2013-09-16 4:32 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>>
>> I go for a coffee at a local bakery coffee shop that sells only fair
>> trade coffee. Their coffee is always very good. It is IMO the best
>> coffee around.
>
> Lucky you, all the 'fair trade' beans I've tried (and I've tried many)
> haven't been very good at all.
>


Serious? I sometimes wish my local place had more business because
sometimes there coffee is getting a little old, but when it is freshly
brewed it is infinitely better than the coffee from any other place.

On 2013-09-16 6:49 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>>>>> Subway.
>>>>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>>>>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>>>> coffee
>>>>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>>>>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Starbucks isn't that bad.
>>>
>>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>>
>> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.
>
> Perhaps, but even at a Starbucks at an airport a large iced coffee isn't
> $6.
>

Then why did you bring up the $6 coffee?

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>>>> Subway.
>>>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for
>>>> buying
>>>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>>> coffee
>>>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and
>>>> calling
>>>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>>
>>>
>>> Starbucks isn't that bad.
>>
>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>
> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.

The one my daughter gets is less than that and she gets the Venti. But she
doesn't have a lot of extra stuff added as a lot of people do.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2013-09-16 6:49 PM, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
> >>>>> Subway.
> >>>>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
> >>>>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
> >>>>> coffee
> >>>>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
> >>>>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Starbucks isn't that bad.
> >>>
> >>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
> >>
> >> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.
> >
> > Perhaps, but even at a Starbucks at an airport a large iced coffee isn't
> > $6.
> >
>
> Then why did you bring up the $6 coffee?

I didn't.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>>>>> Subway.
>>>>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for
>>>>> buying
>>>>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>>>> coffee
>>>>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and
>>>>> calling
>>>>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Starbucks isn't that bad.
>>>
>>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>>
>> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.
>
> The one my daughter gets is less than that and she gets the Venti. But
> she doesn't have a lot of extra stuff added as a lot of people do.

Coffee is bad for children.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in news:l17o0g$h5h$1@dont-
email.me:

> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.

I only pay 2,75$ for my Starbucks coffee. And I do not find it
overroasted in any way. De gustibus et coffeeibus non disputantur.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

Dave Smith > wrote in news:emLZt.113416
:

>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>
> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.

That's what we found when we went to Boston about twenty years
ago...that must be the only product where Canadians are not being
gouged ar the rate of 50-75% above the US market price by rapacious
USAian kapitalyists (is there any other kind?).

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>>>>>> Subway.
>>>>>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for
>>>>>> buying
>>>>>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>>>>> coffee
>>>>>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and
>>>>>> calling
>>>>>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Starbucks isn't that bad.
>>>>
>>>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>>>
>>> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.
>>
>> The one my daughter gets is less than that and she gets the Venti. But
>> she doesn't have a lot of extra stuff added as a lot of people do.
>
> Coffee is bad for children.

No it's not. And most all kids over about the age of 8 drink it here. I'll
bet your grandparents and great grandparents drank it too when they were
kids. I grew up drinking tea. I began with the coffee at 15. We had a
coffee machine in our high school cafeteria.

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in news:l17o0g$h5h$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>
> I only pay 2,75$ for my Starbucks coffee. And I do not find it
> overroasted in any way. De gustibus et coffeeibus non disputantur.

I only had it once. Tasted burned. Tried an iced tea. Tasted burned. So
the next time I had an Athenos water. It just tasted bad. I no likey da
Starbucks but I am in the minority here.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 2013-09-16 4:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>>>>>>> Subway.
>>>>>>> Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for
>>>>>>> buying
>>>>>>> inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>>>>>> coffee
>>>>>>> to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and
>>>>>>> calling
>>>>>>> pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starbucks isn't that bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a ringing endorsement for a 6 dollar cup of coffee.
>>>>
>>>> $6?? Prices must be higher down there.
>>>
>>> The one my daughter gets is less than that and she gets the Venti. But
>>> she doesn't have a lot of extra stuff added as a lot of people do.
>>
>> Coffee is bad for children.
>
> No it's not. And most all kids over about the age of 8 drink it here.
> I'll bet your grandparents and great grandparents drank it too when they
> were kids. I grew up drinking tea. I began with the coffee at 15. We
> had a coffee machine in our high school cafeteria.

We drank milk and juice. Oh and water.

>

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:17:46 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
>>Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>>inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>coffee
>>to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>>pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>
> Agreed. They wouldn't know good coffee if it was staring them in the
> face.


I have shared this brand before. This brand and in particular this blend is
by far and away the finest coffee I have ever had. Words cannot adequately
describe it. It beats every JBM I have ever tried.

http://www.jrcigars.com/jr/index.cfm...GORONGORO.html

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...

> We drank milk and juice. Oh and water.

We only had juice for breakfast and a tiny amount. We did have diet soda
and powdered drinks like Wylers and Koolaid but never made with sugar.

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> Coffee is bad for children.

My grandmother didn't think so. She gave my mother and her siblings
their glass of milk with a teaspoon of coffee in it when they were quite
young, and gradually increased the amount of coffee as they got older.

Interestingly, my mother didn't do that with us, and I didn't start
drinking coffee until I was almost 50, but I love it now.

-S-

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:55:02 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

> We drank milk and juice. Oh and water.

Us too. It was a special treat to drink tea with lots of milk in it
(after dinner) when we visited my mother's parents.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:58:56 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:17:46 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
> >>Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
> >>inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
> >>coffee
> >>to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
> >>pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
> >
> > Agreed. They wouldn't know good coffee if it was staring them in the
> > face.
>
>
> I have shared this brand before. This brand and in particular this blend is
> by far and away the finest coffee I have ever had. Words cannot adequately
> describe it. It beats every JBM I have ever tried.
>
> http://www.jrcigars.com/jr/index.cfm...GORONGORO.html

Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks? Simple solution:
if you don't like it, don't patronize it. I'm not a Starbucks fan,
but people who can't get past the dark roast have TIAD and wouldn't
know good coffee if it walked up and introduced itself to them in
English. I stop drinking coffee when I'm away from the coasts because
the stuff people drink in flyover country is absolutely vile... more
like dirty dishwater than real coffee.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:

> Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks?

A good question, I agree. I posted about Starbucks' lingo because I
think it's, well, cute. As I said, I don't love what they do but I
still go to a Starbucks just about every day when I'm travelling because
it's pretty rare that anything else is as good.

Dunkin' Donuts coffee, which I know a lot of people like, is a few
notches down the quality pole from Starbucks as far as I'm concerned.

And now I'm going back out onto the front porch to continue roasting
this, which is the coffee of choice in our house lately, bought green
and roasted here.

http://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee/other/blends

Scroll down to the last one, Liquid Amber Espresso Blend.

-S-

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:58:56 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:17:46 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>> >>Subway.
>> >>Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for
>> >>buying
>> >>inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>> >>coffee
>> >>to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and
>> >>calling
>> >>pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>> >
>> > Agreed. They wouldn't know good coffee if it was staring them in the
>> > face.
>>
>>
>> I have shared this brand before. This brand and in particular this blend
>> is
>> by far and away the finest coffee I have ever had. Words cannot
>> adequately
>> describe it. It beats every JBM I have ever tried.
>>
>>
>> http://www.jrcigars.com/jr/index.cfm...GORONGORO.html
>
> Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks? Simple solution:
> if you don't like it, don't patronize it. I'm not a Starbucks fan,
> but people who can't get past the dark roast have TIAD and wouldn't
> know good coffee if it walked up and introduced itself to them in
> English. I stop drinking coffee when I'm away from the coasts because
> the stuff people drink in flyover country is absolutely vile... more
> like dirty dishwater than real coffee.

Obsessed? Hardly more than a few posts on this thread. Hyperbole does not
prove your point. If there is something wrong about sharing ones
discoveries and it annoys you then maybe you should find another newsgroup?

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:55:02 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> We drank milk and juice. Oh and water.
>
> Us too. It was a special treat to drink tea with lots of milk in it
> (after dinner) when we visited my mother's parents.
>

Coffee was just considered an adult bevcerage.

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Coffee is bad for children.
>
> My grandmother didn't think so. She gave my mother and her siblings their
> glass of milk with a teaspoon of coffee in it when they were quite young,
> and gradually increased the amount of coffee as they got older.
>

The French do that with wine. That does not mean I would advocate it. Kids
just do not need it.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:28:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks? Simple solution:
> > if you don't like it, don't patronize it. I'm not a Starbucks fan,
> > but people who can't get past the dark roast have TIAD and wouldn't
> > know good coffee if it walked up and introduced itself to them in
> > English. I stop drinking coffee when I'm away from the coasts because
> > the stuff people drink in flyover country is absolutely vile... more
> > like dirty dishwater than real coffee.
>
> Obsessed? Hardly more than a few posts on this thread. Hyperbole does not
> prove your point. If there is something wrong about sharing ones
> discoveries and it annoys you then maybe you should find another newsgroup?
>
>
Yes, obsessed. Every single freekin time something coffee related
comes up all the Julie Boves of the coffee world crawl out of the
woodwork.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:28:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks? Simple solution:
>> > if you don't like it, don't patronize it. I'm not a Starbucks fan,
>> > but people who can't get past the dark roast have TIAD and wouldn't
>> > know good coffee if it walked up and introduced itself to them in
>> > English. I stop drinking coffee when I'm away from the coasts because
>> > the stuff people drink in flyover country is absolutely vile... more
>> > like dirty dishwater than real coffee.
>>
>> Obsessed? Hardly more than a few posts on this thread. Hyperbole does
>> not
>> prove your point. If there is something wrong about sharing ones
>> discoveries and it annoys you then maybe you should find another
>> newsgroup?
>>
>>
> Yes, obsessed. Every single freekin time something coffee related
> comes up all the Julie Boves of the coffee world crawl out of the
> woodwork.

So go have yourself a nice big latte at Starbucks and write the CEO a fan
letter. Adults are allowed opinions and venues such as this are where those
opinions are shared. To chastise somebody for commenting on coffee in the
middle of a thread about coffee is silly. I shared a little known brand
called Montecristo which has very limited distribution and is a well kept
secret in the coffee world. I thought I was doing people who enjoy fine
coffee a flavor. So no apologies.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:01:03 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2013-09-16 4:32 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I go for a coffee at a local bakery coffee shop that sells only fair
>>> trade coffee. Their coffee is always very good. It is IMO the best
>>> coffee around.
>>
>> Lucky you, all the 'fair trade' beans I've tried (and I've tried many)
>> haven't been very good at all.
>
>Serious? I sometimes wish my local place had more business because
>sometimes there coffee is getting a little old, but when it is freshly
>brewed it is infinitely better than the coffee from any other place.

Maybe you have access to better brands than we do here? I haven't
tried any fair trade coffee for about 3 years now... perhaps they've
lifted their game. But yes, sadly my experience is unlike yours.

On 2013-09-17 12:24 PM, sf wrote:

> Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks? Simple solution:
> if you don't like it, don't patronize it. I'm not a Starbucks fan,
> but people who can't get past the dark roast have TIAD and wouldn't
> know good coffee if it walked up and introduced itself to them in
> English. I stop drinking coffee when I'm away from the coasts because
> the stuff people drink in flyover country is absolutely vile... more
> like dirty dishwater than real coffee.
>

I get a kick out of how they all describe it the same way. I attribute
that to their having read it or been told it than to their
discriminating tastes. Personally, I like dark roast coffee. There are
things that I do not like about Starbucks. They staff tend to be
snooting, thinking of themselves as barristas rather than as counter
staff at a coffee shop. IMO many of the customers who sit their all day
reading a book a magazines they have" borrowed" from Chapters, or taking
advantage of free wifi while they write the next great novel are just a
bunch of cheap poseurs. I took like the comfortable ambiance, the
comfortable seating. Their coffee is not horrible. It is not the best
coffee available, but it sure ain't the worst.

I have to hand it to them for acquiring a good name for themselves. A
couple years ago someone I know proudly announced that they had just
bought a French press. I dared to suggest that them make sure to use a
coarse ground coffee. Pshaw.... the had some Starbucks coffee. I dared
to suggest again that they work better with coarse ground. Well what
did I know. Their son who knows everything got it for them, so I guess
that meant it was going to be good. I later heard they were not all
that impressed with the French press.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:58:56 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:17:46 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for Subway.
>>>Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for buying
>>>inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>>coffee
>>>to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and calling
>>>pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>
>> Agreed. They wouldn't know good coffee if it was staring them in the
>> face.
>
>
>I have shared this brand before. This brand and in particular this blend is
>by far and away the finest coffee I have ever had. Words cannot adequately
>describe it. It beats every JBM I have ever tried.
>
> http://www.jrcigars.com/jr/index.cfm...GORONGORO.html

Looks very interesting!

On 2013-09-17 12:20 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:55:02 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> We drank milk and juice. Oh and water.
>
> Us too. It was a special treat to drink tea with lots of milk in it
> (after dinner) when we visited my mother's parents.
>

My three brothers all drank lots of it but I never liked the taste or
the phlegmy feeling in my throat, or the cramps and gas I got from it.
It turned out I am lactose intolerant. My parents were tea drinkers and
I usually had tea with meals. They started drinking coffee more when
they older. Of course, when I was a kid the standard way to make coffee
was in a percolator. I don't know if they even sell those things
anymore. There are many better ways to make coffee.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:21:26 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:28:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >
>>> > Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks? Simple solution:
>>> > if you don't like it, don't patronize it. I'm not a Starbucks fan,
>>> > but people who can't get past the dark roast have TIAD and wouldn't
>>> > know good coffee if it walked up and introduced itself to them in
>>> > English. I stop drinking coffee when I'm away from the coasts because
>>> > the stuff people drink in flyover country is absolutely vile... more
>>> > like dirty dishwater than real coffee.
>>>
>>> Obsessed? Hardly more than a few posts on this thread. Hyperbole does
>>> not
>>> prove your point. If there is something wrong about sharing ones
>>> discoveries and it annoys you then maybe you should find another
>>> newsgroup?
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, obsessed. Every single freekin time something coffee related
>> comes up all the Julie Boves of the coffee world crawl out of the
>> woodwork.
>
>So go have yourself a nice big latte at Starbucks and write the CEO a fan
>letter. Adults are allowed opinions and venues such as this are where those
>opinions are shared. To chastise somebody for commenting on coffee in the
>middle of a thread about coffee is silly. I shared a little known brand
>called Montecristo which has very limited distribution and is a well kept
>secret in the coffee world. I thought I was doing people who enjoy fine
>coffee a flavor. So no apologies.

'Dissing' starbucks is not OK but apparently if the coffee is from
'flyover country' then it's fair game and is not being the least bit
'obsessive'

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:58:56 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:17:46 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ugh. My passion for Starbucks is eclipsed only for my passion for
>>>>Subway.
>>>>Worst coffee in the world. Why drink it? Starbucks is famous for
>>>>buying
>>>>inferior beans and covering the taste by overroasting. I find their
>>>>coffee
>>>>to be quite sour and charred tasing. And using Italian words and
>>>>calling
>>>>pimple faced kids baristas doesn't make it taste any better.
>>>
>>> Agreed. They wouldn't know good coffee if it was staring them in the
>>> face.
>>
>>
>>I have shared this brand before. This brand and in particular this blend
>>is
>>by far and away the finest coffee I have ever had. Words cannot
>>adequately
>>describe it. It beats every JBM I have ever tried.
>>
>>
>> http://www.jrcigars.com/jr/index.cfm...GORONGORO.html
>
> Looks very interesting!

Everyone who has tried it has loved it.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:55:02 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> There are many better ways to make coffee.

French press, no tongue.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
news
> On 2013-09-17 12:20 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:55:02 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We drank milk and juice. Oh and water.
>>
>> Us too. It was a special treat to drink tea with lots of milk in it
>> (after dinner) when we visited my mother's parents.
>>
>
> My three brothers all drank lots of it but I never liked the taste or the
> phlegmy feeling in my throat, or the cramps and gas I got from it. It
> turned out I am lactose intolerant. My parents were tea drinkers and I
> usually had tea with meals. They started drinking coffee more when they
> older. Of course, when I was a kid the standard way to make coffee was in
> a percolator. I don't know if they even sell those things anymore. There
> are many better ways to make coffee.

We drank lots of tea, both hot and cold. Sometimes with lemon. Never with
milk or sweetener.

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>
>> Why is everyone so obsessed with dissing Starbucks?
>
> A good question, I agree. I posted about Starbucks' lingo because I think
> it's, well, cute. As I said, I don't love what they do but I still go to
> a Starbucks just about every day when I'm travelling because it's pretty
> rare that anything else is as good.
>
> Dunkin' Donuts coffee, which I know a lot of people like, is a few notches
> down the quality pole from Starbucks as far as I'm concerned.
>
> And now I'm going back out onto the front porch to continue roasting this,
> which is the coffee of choice in our house lately, bought green and
> roasted here.
>
> http://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee/other/blends
>
> Scroll down to the last one, Liquid Amber Espresso Blend.

My husband loves Dunkin Donuts but he always got a fancy kind. Hazelnut?
Smelled like chemicals to me.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> Yes, obsessed. Every single freekin time something coffee related
> comes up all the Julie Boves of the coffee world crawl out of the
> woodwork.

Sort of like you when someone mentions a wet burrito.