On 9/26/2013 1:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2013-09-26 12:55 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> Yowsa. We used to go to New Hampshire every year and you'd
>> always get the moose warnings and see the death count. When you
>> hit a moose, you hit the legs then that huge body crashes
>> through the windshield. Not good.

> I cam close to hitting one once. It was about 6 am and I was on a
> highway through a provincial park.I came down a hill and around a
>corner
> and there was a huge bill moose standing on the shoulder of the road,
> right next to the pavement. Thank goodness he didn't step out in >
>front of me.

Dawn and dusk are the most dangerous times, it seems.

> On a related note..... I attended a public information meeting about a
> deer hunt to be held in a provincial park near here. I local farmer
>was
> all in favour of it and complained about the traffic hazard. He
>claimed
> that his family members have hit four deer in the last five years and
> ran up over $20,000 in body repairs. I have been driving the local
> roads day and night for more than 30 years. I know there are deer out
> there. I watch for them and I slow down when I see them. I am especially
> cautious in the areas where I am most likely to see them. My wife, >my
> son and I have all managed to avoid hitting any. Heaven forbid the
>guy
> and his family could not have learned from each others dear >encounters.

It certainly sounds easy, but deer behave very unpredictably and you
just never know what they will do. Ron saw one deer on the side of
the road and slowed down. At the last second something spooked it and
it jumped into/onto/and over the car, leaving all kinds of damage.
If he maintained his speed, he would have been safe.

Another time, there was no warning, it flew out of the woods and
I don't care if you have the reflexes of a cat, it was too late.
Doesn't matter how fast or slow you were going, just the luck of the
draw if your car and that deer meet at that second in that place.

Just like any accident, sometimes speeding up is the best way to avoid
one, but you really never know. I wish you continued luck in your
deer avoidance, but don't be too sure it isn't just luck, and
timing. Dusk and dawn, spring and fall, watch out.

nancy

On 2013-09-26 2:36 PM, wrote:

>> Speak softly and carry a shotgun and those stupid geese will RAWHOB!
>> (Run Away With Hands Over Butt). The ones that don't run away make a
>> nice greasy dinner.
>>
>> G.
>
> If you cook goose properly, it isn't greasy. Got to pierce the breast
> where the fat tissues are, then bake on a rack, allowing the fat to
> melt and drip clear. If the goose sits in the grease as it cooks,
> yuck. I like it stuffed with sage and onion stuffing and served with
> sharp apple sauce.
>


I have had goose several times but I never bothered to cook it myself
because I was never impressed with it. My best friend was German and his
mother always had goose at Christmas. My neighbor (also German) has done
a few. I have had a it a couple other times. They taste okay but they
always seemed to be dry and tough. I am willing to try cooking
something that someone has has done and had been good. Mine may or may
not be as good as theirs was, but I am not going to bother with
something that no one has ever prepared to my liking and assume that
mine will be better than theirs.

FWIW.... I have had many duck dinners that were wonderful, but when I
tried cooking duck it was horrible. I did once have it turn out nicely,
but the next one was probably the worst. I swore I would never cook
another duck.

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 16:33:13 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:45:52 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2013-09-26 2:36 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>> Speak softly and carry a shotgun and those stupid geese will RAWHOB!
>>>> (Run Away With Hands Over Butt). The ones that don't run away make a
>>>> nice greasy dinner.
>>>>
>>>> G.
>>>
>>> If you cook goose properly, it isn't greasy. Got to pierce the breast
>>> where the fat tissues are, then bake on a rack, allowing the fat to
>>> melt and drip clear. If the goose sits in the grease as it cooks,
>>> yuck. I like it stuffed with sage and onion stuffing and served with
>>> sharp apple sauce.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I have had goose several times but I never bothered to cook it myself
>>because I was never impressed with it. My best friend was German and his
>>mother always had goose at Christmas. My neighbor (also German) has done
>>a few. I have had a it a couple other times. They taste okay but they
>>always seemed to be dry and tough. I am willing to try cooking
>>something that someone has has done and had been good. Mine may or may
>>not be as good as theirs was, but I am not going to bother with
>>something that no one has ever prepared to my liking and assume that
>>mine will be better than theirs.
>>
>>FWIW.... I have had many duck dinners that were wonderful, but when I
>>tried cooking duck it was horrible. I did once have it turn out nicely,
>>but the next one was probably the worst. I swore I would never cook
>>another duck.
>
>Both - imo - need to cook slowly. I start with a hot oven (400) and
>then turn down to 325. I have never had goose, or duck, that was
>dry. If you shot the duck yourself, did you eat it right away ?
>Should be kept in a cool place for at least a week before you eat it,
>same thing with pheasants etc.


Agree with above, I mostly slow cook goose and duck, although I don't
mind roast duck - I've never had a problem with either being dry or
tough. I don't mind goose, but don't love it enough to bother killing
or dressing them these days, I sell off the goslings now instead.

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:25:41 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

snip

I mostly slow cook goose and duck, although I don't
>mind roast duck - I've never had a problem with either being dry or
>tough. I don't mind goose, but don't love it enough to bother killing
>or dressing them these days, I sell off the goslings now instead.

There are a couple of small businesses around here that will do the
dressing for you. Will also smoke them if you like.
Low and slow is the way to roast after the fat has been melted away
from the breast.
Janet US

On 2013-09-26 6:22 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:25:41 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> snip
>
> I mostly slow cook goose and duck, although I don't
>> mind roast duck - I've never had a problem with either being dry or
>> tough. I don't mind goose, but don't love it enough to bother killing
>> or dressing them these days, I sell off the goslings now instead.
>
> There are a couple of small businesses around here that will do the
> dressing for you. Will also smoke them if you like.
> Low and slow is the way to roast after the fat has been melted away
> from the breast.


I am not refusing to eat it. I just don't want to bother trying to cook
it. Maybe if someone serves me some and it's really good I will ask them
for a recipe and try to cook it. It's just that I have never had goose
good enough for me to want to replicate it at home.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2013-09-26 12:55 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > Yowsa. We used to go to New Hampshire every year and you'd
> > always get the moose warnings and see the death count. When you
> > hit a moose, you hit the legs then that huge body crashes
> > through the windshield. Not good.
> >
> > Glad you escaped by a whisker, so to speak.
>
>
> I cam close to hitting one once. It was about 6 am and I was on a
> highway through a provincial park.I came down a hill and around a corner
> and there was a huge bill moose standing on the shoulder of the road,
> right next to the pavement. Thank goodness he didn't step out in front
> of me.
>
> On a related note..... I attended a public information meeting about a
> deer hunt to be held in a provincial park near here. I local farmer was
> all in favour of it and complained about the traffic hazard. He claimed
> that his family members have hit four deer in the last five years and
> ran up over $20,000 in body repairs. I have been driving the local
> roads day and night for more than 30 years. I know there are deer out
> there. I watch for them and I slow down when I see them. I am especially
> cautious in the areas where I am most likely to see them. My wife, my
> son and I have all managed to avoid hitting any. Heaven forbid the guy
> and his family could not have learned from each others dear encounters.

There are allegedly deer here in Rhode Island. I've never in my life
seen one on a roadway. I've seen other wildlife get flattened by cars,
stuff like rabbits, squirels and even a fox once. But never a deer.

Only time I've ever seen a deer standing in the roadway was on NC-17
between Elizabeth City and Edenton, NC. Big old buck with a full rack
standing right in the middle lane. Luckily I saw him through the fog. I
just beeped the horn and he dashed off into the woods near the highway.

On 2013-09-26 1:45 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
vour of it and complained about the traffic hazard. He
> >claimed
> > that his family members have hit four deer in the last five years and
> > ran up over $20,000 in body repairs. I have been driving the local
> > roads day and night for more than 30 years. I know there are deer out
> > there. I watch for them and I slow down when I see them. I am especially
> > cautious in the areas where I am most likely to see them. My wife, >my
> > son and I have all managed to avoid hitting any. Heaven forbid the
> >guy
> > and his family could not have learned from each others dear >encounters.
>
> It certainly sounds easy, but deer behave very unpredictably and you
> just never know what they will do. Ron saw one deer on the side of
> the road and slowed down. At the last second something spooked it and
> it jumped into/onto/and over the car, leaving all kinds of damage.
> If he maintained his speed, he would have been safe.
>
> Another time, there was no warning, it flew out of the woods and
> I don't care if you have the reflexes of a cat, it was too late.
> Doesn't matter how fast or slow you were going, just the luck of the
> draw if your car and that deer meet at that second in that place.
>
> Just like any accident, sometimes speeding up is the best way to avoid
> one, but you really never know. I wish you continued luck in your
> deer avoidance, but don't be too sure it isn't just luck, and
> timing. Dusk and dawn, spring and fall, watch out.
>

Not only are they unpredictable, but they can be extremely hard to see,
especially in late fall and winter when their fur is almost gray, but
they also tend to travel in groups. One may be on the road and take
off, then another will suddenly appear. But as I said.... the guy
claimed that over the past five years four people in his family had hid
deer.

When I do see dear on or near the road I quickly look for its friends.


The closest I ever came to colliding with a deer was last spring while
there was still a bit of snow on the ground.... and I was on my bicycle.
I was on my way home and just around the corner from my house. A car
had passed me and then suddenly braked hard, which was a little annoying
until I realized he had stopped for a deer. There were several more in
the field across the road. All but one of them scooted across while the
car was stopped. The other stayed behind but looked anxious.Then it
bolted, jumped the ditch, hit the asphalt with his wet little hooves and
went skittering along and almost crashed into me. It was interesting to
hear the sound of its hooves on the hard road surface.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> We used to go for
> >> walks back there and the geese would try to gang up on us and intimidate
> >> us. The dog would not mess with them. They were too intimidating for
> >> her.
> >
> > Speak softly and carry a shotgun and those stupid geese will RAWHOB!
> > (Run Away With Hands Over Butt). The ones that don't run away make a
> > nice greasy dinner.
>
> lol just be careful they don't belong to a farmer or you might find yourself
> RAWHOB <g>

Yeah....I'll be RAWHOB from an irate farmer with a shotgun loaded with
rock salt. arrghh! meheh

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

>> > Speak softly and carry a shotgun and those stupid geese will RAWHOB!
>> > (Run Away With Hands Over Butt). The ones that don't run away make a
>> > nice greasy dinner.
>>
>> lol just be careful they don't belong to a farmer or you might find
>> yourself
>> RAWHOB <g>
>
> Yeah....I'll be RAWHOB from an irate farmer with a shotgun loaded with
> rock salt. arrghh! meheh

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wrote:
>
> If you cook goose properly, it isn't greasy. Got to pierce the breast
> where the fat tissues are, then bake on a rack, allowing the fat to
> melt and drip clear. If the goose sits in the grease as it cooks,
> yuck. I like it stuffed with sage and onion stuffing and served with
> sharp apple sauce.

I've always wanted to try goose. Maybe the guy I work with will bring
me a wild one this fall/winter. He actually offered one last year but
at the time, I didn't want to bother cleaning it...Gutting,
de-feathering, etc. It IS a time consuming thing.

I once cooked a whole duck in the oven without being up on a rack. It
was the greasiest thing I've ever eaten but it was super tasty. I
stuffed it too so all the stuffing was super greasy too. After eating
all that grease with it though, I was almost sick and for several
days, even the mention of DUCK made me feel sick. hahah

It was very delicious....just a major fat overload.

G.

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:03:21 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> If you cook goose properly, it isn't greasy. Got to pierce the breast
>> where the fat tissues are, then bake on a rack, allowing the fat to
>> melt and drip clear. If the goose sits in the grease as it cooks,
>> yuck. I like it stuffed with sage and onion stuffing and served with
>> sharp apple sauce.
>
>I've always wanted to try goose. Maybe the guy I work with will bring
>me a wild one this fall/winter. He actually offered one last year but
>at the time, I didn't want to bother cleaning it...Gutting,
>de-feathering, etc. It IS a time consuming thing.
>
>I once cooked a whole duck in the oven without being up on a rack. It
>was the greasiest thing I've ever eaten but it was super tasty. I
>stuffed it too so all the stuffing was super greasy too. After eating
>all that grease with it though, I was almost sick and for several
>days, even the mention of DUCK made me feel sick. hahah
>
>It was very delicious....just a major fat overload.
>
>G.
read up on how to do duck/goose before you do it yourself. You need
to prick the breast skin and roast a a certain temp to melt the fat
from the breast off into the pan. You then drain and pro cede with
the rest of the cooking. Details are foggy for me, it's been a long
time. Check the Internet.
Janet US

On Friday, September 27, 2013 11:03:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>
> I once cooked a whole duck in the oven without being up on a rack. It
> was the greasiest thing I've ever eaten but it was super tasty. I
> stuffed it too so all the stuffing was super greasy too. After eating
> all that grease with it though, I was almost sick and for several
> days, even the mention of DUCK made me feel sick. hahah
> It was very delicious....just a major fat overload.
>
> G.

I believe the best way to cook duck is to first cut
it up so that the breast can be cooked separately.
Roast the legs and thighs in the oven and separately
sear the breast to medium rare. The result is the
duck "cooked two ways". If you're ambitious you can
also make a soup from the backs, wings etc. (I
usually freeze them for making stock later.)

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 9/22/2013 6:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Yikes! How many have I escorted outside, never knew they'd bite.

There's some imported species of lady bugs that bite. I've had them
bite me, too.

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On 9/25/2013 1:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> This reminds me of when I was cat-sitting for my neighbor several years
> ago. She had planted some beautiful flowers just before she went on
> vacation. Along with cat-sitting I was also watering her outdoor
> plants. I went over one morning and those plants had been stripped down
> to the stems. There were hoof-prints in the soil by the patio.
> Apparently a deer came along and made a snack of them.
>
> I've been seeing more deer here lately. I was returning from the store
> a few days ago and spotted a doe followed by with two fawns taking a
> rather leisurely walk.

My poor mom has the worst trouble with deer. They eat everything. She
loves to put out ornamental pots with flowers on the front steps and she
has so many decades old plants (mainly lilies, peonies) that are being
eaten to the ground. Her hostas, everything. She's tried so many
things including chicken wire to protect them but that gets hard for her
to maintain now that dad's passed. She's put so many years and work
into her flower beds and shrubs and is upset to have them all eaten but
what can you do...

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On 9/25/2013 4:21 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 9/25/2013 8:04 AM, JBurns wrote:
>>> We do not get deer, but on a lot of our golf courses or golf course
>>> estates we get kangaroos.
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>> Now that would be a funny thing to see on the golf course behind my
>> house! Is that a deer? No, it's a 'roo!
>
> Here's a pic that a friend sent me months ago. Supposedly during a
> golf tournament in Australia. heheh
>
> http://resources2.news.com.au/images...olf-course.jpg
>
> G.
>
Ahhhhh!! LOL

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On 9/25/2013 11:06 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:35:37 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
> snip
>>
>> I've been seeing more deer here lately. I was returning from the store
>> a few days ago and spotted a doe followed by with two fawns taking a
>> rather leisurely walk.
>>
>> Jill
>
> We used to see a deer only rarely through here. Now we see families
> of them going up and down creek. It's because of the drought. There
> isn't enough food in the nearby foothills. I just hope the big cats
> don't come down as well. I don't want cougars in my yard.
> Janet US
>
If other animals are migrating, expect the cougars too. Just keep small
pets inside. Kids too.

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On 9/25/2013 5:16 PM, James Silverton wrote:

>>
> I live in a suburb of DC and there are lots of deer wandering around.
> They don't seem too hungry yet but I've brought the houseplants in so
> they won't get pruned drastically. No cougars but we have raccoons and
> foxes that are under the impression that they can sing.
>
I've never heard a raccoon sing!

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On 9/26/2013 2:38 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:22:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2013-09-26 12:55 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> Yowsa. We used to go to New Hampshire every year and you'd
>>> always get the moose warnings and see the death count. When you
>>> hit a moose, you hit the legs then that huge body crashes
>>> through the windshield. Not good.
>>>
>>> Glad you escaped by a whisker, so to speak.
>>
>>
>> I cam close to hitting one once. It was about 6 am and I was on a
>> highway through a provincial park.I came down a hill and around a corner
>> and there was a huge bill moose standing on the shoulder of the road,
>> right next to the pavement. Thank goodness he didn't step out in front
>> of me.
>>
>> On a related note..... I attended a public information meeting about a
>> deer hunt to be held in a provincial park near here. I local farmer was
>> all in favour of it and complained about the traffic hazard. He claimed
>> that his family members have hit four deer in the last five years and
>> ran up over $20,000 in body repairs. I have been driving the local
>> roads day and night for more than 30 years. I know there are deer out
>> there. I watch for them and I slow down when I see them. I am especially
>> cautious in the areas where I am most likely to see them. My wife, my
>> son and I have all managed to avoid hitting any. Heaven forbid the guy
>> and his family could not have learned from each others dear encounters.
>
> It's usually only for short periods each day, morning then again the
> end of the day.
>
Right, and usually near a watering hole.

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On 9/26/2013 1:45 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Another time, there was no warning, it flew out of the woods and
> I don't care if you have the reflexes of a cat, it was too late.
> Doesn't matter how fast or slow you were going, just the luck of the
> draw if your car and that deer meet at that second in that place.

My mom hit a deer one time, or I should say it hit her. She clipped the
side of it with the right side fender and she immediately stopped. The
deer got up and ran off. She had thousands of $ of damage on her car,
and the weirdest thing I saw when I looked was bristles of fur stuck to
the grill. Very course hair. Scared her to pieces.

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On 9/27/2013 7:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> The closest I ever came to colliding with a deer was last spring while
> there was still a bit of snow on the ground.... and I was on my bicycle.
> I was on my way home and just around the corner from my house. A car
> had passed me and then suddenly braked hard, which was a little annoying
> until I realized he had stopped for a deer. There were several more in
> the field across the road. All but one of them scooted across while the
> car was stopped. The other stayed behind but looked anxious.Then it
> bolted, jumped the ditch, hit the asphalt with his wet little hooves and
> went skittering along and almost crashed into me. It was interesting to
> hear the sound of its hooves on the hard road surface.

Their hooves are definitely not designed for paved surfaces.

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On 9/25/2013 8:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/25/2013 5:16 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> > I live in a suburb of DC and there are lots of deer wandering around.
>
> An hour or so ago, I was driving along a windy wooded road, it
> was dusk. Saw a sight that would or should strike horror in any
> motorist's heart ... a deer, startled, trying to decide Should it
> crash into my car??? Not again, please.
>
> Thank you, deer, for veering back into the woods. Yikes.

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On 9/23/2013 7:59 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/23/2013 7:34 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:02:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>
>>> Don't laugh about the birds, though. There was a flock of tufted
>>> titmice that swarmed the pyracantha by the kitchen window. They
>>> stripped it of every single berry in minutes, then left. Mom and John
>>> and I were standing there watching, literally saying WTF?! That was in
>>> the summer of 2008. I've never seen anything quite like it again.
>
>> Starlings picked on my balcony this spring - what a noise and to do.
>> The desperate mother bird stripped everything I put out then as they
>> could feed themselves, the situation worsened. They were great
>> entertainment though. Sort of cat television for my cat.
>
> AKA Kitty big screen.
>
> Those starlings create a racket.
>
> nancy
>
They sure do! I'm in some migration path and when they go through, they
go through in the thousands. I know I've posted about this before so
I'm not going to bore you with repeated details. lol

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On 9/25/2013 11:55 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> I had a couple of North American bluejays (different from stellar jays)
> drinking from the bird bath this morning. They're so pretty!

You don't get those bluejays that far south? I guess they're mostly a
northern bird. We have tons of them. I like all of their different
calls. Most people associate them with a loud screeching CAW CAW but
they do have a softer whistle. They are good look-out birds.

I'm told
> goldfinches are in this area but I have only seen one, a dull (no
> offense, bird!) female. I see purple and house finches occasionally.
> Bluebirds are seasonal. Cardinals are here year round. As are the
> chickadees and and Carolina wrens with their bold slash of white
> "eyeliner" above the eye. They sing very sweetly. Cardinals are also
> here year round.
>
> I've never seen a pileated woodpecker. But I just saw a male downey
> scooting up a tree. And I see lots of red-bellied woodpeckers.
> Sometimes they eat on the patio when I scatter seed or put out suet. I
> love watching the birds.

I haven't seen one (pileated woodpecker) here but my dad took a pic of
one he saw in his backyard. They look so primitive.

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On 9/25/2013 1:24 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

> all-year-long problem with Canada geese. Local caretakers
> have taken to staking out cutouts of wolves and fox to deter the geese
> (big poop mess and they can pick the grass bare), but after a few
> weeks the geese take up grazing within a few feet of the cutouts.

It seems like Canada geese really like cemeteries around here. I have a
cemetery across the street, though I never see geese. I see a lot of
migrating black birds (starlings, grackles, red-winged blackbirds, etc)
but never geese over there.

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On 9/26/2013 8:57 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:34:38 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>>> I've mentioned before, there was a lumberyard across the street from our
>>> house when we lived in Bangkok. They didn't have watch dogs, they had
>>> watch geese.
>>
>>
>> Ballantines, one of Scotland's whisky distillers, had geese guarding
>> their bonded warehouse for 50 years until last year when the company
>> was taken over by Chivas. Chivas got rid of the geese :-(
>>
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Having been chased by geese, I can't understand why they would do
> that, they are very effective, require only minimum maintainence and
> never go on strike
>
I've been chased by them, too. Very territorial animals.

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Cheryl wrote:
>
> I haven't seen one (pileated woodpecker) here but my dad took a pic of
> one he saw in his backyard. They look so primitive.

"HEY! Who are you calling primitive?"
http://www.cane.com/wp-content/uploa...woodpecker.jpg

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
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> On 9/25/2013 11:06 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:35:37 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>> I've been seeing more deer here lately. I was returning from the store
>>> a few days ago and spotted a doe followed by with two fawns taking a
>>> rather leisurely walk.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> We used to see a deer only rarely through here. Now we see families
>> of them going up and down creek. It's because of the drought. There
>> isn't enough food in the nearby foothills. I just hope the big cats
>> don't come down as well. I don't want cougars in my yard.
>> Janet US
>>
> If other animals are migrating, expect the cougars too. Just keep small
> pets inside. Kids too.

In UK 'cougers' are older women who go after young men
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> On 9/23/2013 7:59 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 9/23/2013 7:34 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:02:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't laugh about the birds, though. There was a flock of tufted
>>>> titmice that swarmed the pyracantha by the kitchen window. They
>>>> stripped it of every single berry in minutes, then left. Mom and John
>>>> and I were standing there watching, literally saying WTF?! That was in
>>>> the summer of 2008. I've never seen anything quite like it again.
>>
>>> Starlings picked on my balcony this spring - what a noise and to do.
>>> The desperate mother bird stripped everything I put out then as they
>>> could feed themselves, the situation worsened. They were great
>>> entertainment though. Sort of cat television for my cat.
>>
>> AKA Kitty big screen.
>>
>> Those starlings create a racket.
>>
>> nancy
>>
> They sure do! I'm in some migration path and when they go through, they
> go through in the thousands. I know I've posted about this before so I'm
> not going to bore you with repeated details. lol

They do! Geese make one heckuva racket too

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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> I haven't seen one (pileated woodpecker) here but my dad took a pic of
>> one he saw in his backyard. They look so primitive.
>
> "HEY! Who are you calling primitive?"
> http://www.cane.com/wp-content/uploa...woodpecker.jpg

lol he looks very glamorous)

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> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:19:59 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
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>>My poor mom has the worst trouble with deer. They eat everything. She
>>loves to put out ornamental pots with flowers on the front steps and she
>>has so many decades old plants (mainly lilies, peonies) that are being
>>eaten to the ground. Her hostas, everything. She's tried so many
>>things including chicken wire to protect them but that gets hard for her
>>to maintain now that dad's passed. She's put so many years and work
>>into her flower beds and shrubs and is upset to have them all eaten but
>>what can you do...
>
> A local told me when he saw my hostas that they called them Deer
> Lettuce !
>
> The answer, at least it worked well for my neighbour and I, is to
> sprinkle urine around the boundaries. Deer understand marking
> territory and they will go to someone else.

A poster in the gardening group has advised exactly that to keep cats away!

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> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:09:00 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
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>>"Cheryl" > wrote in message
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>>> On 9/25/2013 11:06 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:35:37 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been seeing more deer here lately. I was returning from the
>>>>> store
>>>>> a few days ago and spotted a doe followed by with two fawns taking a
>>>>> rather leisurely walk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> We used to see a deer only rarely through here. Now we see families
>>>> of them going up and down creek. It's because of the drought. There
>>>> isn't enough food in the nearby foothills. I just hope the big cats
>>>> don't come down as well. I don't want cougars in my yard.
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>> If other animals are migrating, expect the cougars too. Just keep small
>>> pets inside. Kids too.
>>
>>In UK 'cougers' are older women who go after young men
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>
> Sometimes it's the younger men going after the older women !

I know, but it is the woman who are named such/

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On 9/28/2013 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/26/2013 1:45 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Another time, there was no warning, it flew out of the woods and
>> I don't care if you have the reflexes of a cat, it was too late.
>> Doesn't matter how fast or slow you were going, just the luck of the
>> draw if your car and that deer meet at that second in that place.
>
> My mom hit a deer one time, or I should say it hit her.

Yup.

> She clipped the
> side of it with the right side fender and she immediately stopped. The
> deer got up and ran off. She had thousands of $ of damage on her car,

Amazing how much damage they do. Then they skip away like Sorry!

> and the weirdest thing I saw when I looked was bristles of fur stuck to
> the grill. Very course hair. Scared her to pieces.

I bet. Glad she wasn't hurt.

nancy

On 9/28/2013 12:35 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/25/2013 8:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 9/25/2013 5:16 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> > I live in a suburb of DC and there are lots of deer wandering around.
>>
>> An hour or so ago, I was driving along a windy wooded road, it
>> was dusk. Saw a sight that would or should strike horror in any
>> motorist's heart ... a deer, startled, trying to decide Should it
>> crash into my car??? Not again, please.
>>
>> Thank you, deer, for veering back into the woods. Yikes.
>
> Lucky!

Right? Man. I instantly thought Why did you come this way at
this particular time of day!? It was ideal deer collision time.

You know that effect where film footage will be in real time
but at a crucial moment it slows down so you see every detail
then it speeds up again? I swear I spotted that deer and time
stood still as we looked each other in the eyes until it broke
away back into the woods. Heh. Like you'd hear me saying
NOOOOOO in slow motion.

I was lucky, for sure. Nothing I could have done at the moment.

nancy

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> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:19:59 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >My poor mom has the worst trouble with deer. They eat everything. She
> >loves to put out ornamental pots with flowers on the front steps and she
> >has so many decades old plants (mainly lilies, peonies) that are being
> >eaten to the ground. Her hostas, everything. She's tried so many
> >things including chicken wire to protect them but that gets hard for her
> >to maintain now that dad's passed. She's put so many years and work
> >into her flower beds and shrubs and is upset to have them all eaten but
> >what can you do...

Shotgun with deer-slug shells. Shoot and eat a few and the rest will
learn to stay away. heheh Or buy a small barking dog to live outside.

> The answer, at least it worked well for my neighbour and I, is to
> sprinkle urine around the boundaries. Deer understand marking
> territory and they will go to someone else.

I've read that it has to be male urine though...with the testosterone.
Female urine doesn't work?

G.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> > The answer, at least it worked well for my neighbour and I, is to
> > sprinkle urine around the boundaries. Deer understand marking
> > territory and they will go to someone else.
>
> A poster in the gardening group has advised exactly that to keep cats away!

Cats? Again...shotgun filled with cat-shot. heheehh
Cat soup is a little gamey but not bad.

I wonder if Julie would like cat stock? Probably not.

G.

In article >, says...

> > The answer, at least it worked well for my neighbour and I, is to
> > sprinkle urine around the boundaries. Deer understand marking
> > territory and they will go to someone else.
>
> I've read that it has to be male urine though...with the testosterone.
> Female urine doesn't work?

It does, trust me:-)

However, deer on a mission (or a long established dear track) very
quickly lose their fear of any new scent deterrent so the only answer
(IME) is to keep changing the deer-scare every few weeks.

We used to cycle through dog pee/dirt, human pee, human sweat (dirty
worn teeshirt), human hair (collected from hairdresser), shiny danglers,
and brush waste (tree branches etc) laid on the ground... all at their
entry spots.

IME no deterrent (including large dogs) actually keeps them out , the
best you hope for is to make the deer worried enough to dash through
quickly, too nervous to stop for a sleep, meal, or to rub their antlers
on your fruit trees.

Janet UK.

In article >,
says...

> The only time I would have resorted to violence was when somebody
> drove down our little road and dumped off three pet rabbits - we
> suspected they were easter gifts to kids that became inconvenient when
> summer vacation came along.

:-( We've lived the last 30 years in tourist destination areas where
this happens every year. Of course if the owners dumped the unwanted pet
on the street near home there's a good chance someone might know who
owned it; and (here) if they offload it to a rescue/rehome centre they
have to pay a contribution. So they take the poor thing to their holiday
destination and dump it anonymously where there's no cost or come-back.

We've seen pet cats and dogs turned loose on main roads and pet rabbits
liberated as easy prey to dogs badgers, and hawks. Just yesterday (start
of big holiday weekend) a terrified strange dog ran back and forth up
and down our lane for hours; we tried everything but couldnt catch the
poor thing. It isn't a local dog.


Janet UK.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:24:08 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 9/25/2013 11:06 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:35:37 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>> I've been seeing more deer here lately. I was returning from the store
>>> a few days ago and spotted a doe followed by with two fawns taking a
>>> rather leisurely walk.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> We used to see a deer only rarely through here. Now we see families
>> of them going up and down creek. It's because of the drought. There
>> isn't enough food in the nearby foothills. I just hope the big cats
>> don't come down as well. I don't want cougars in my yard.
>> Janet US
>>
>If other animals are migrating, expect the cougars too. Just keep small
>pets inside. Kids too.

Cougar sighting causes school lock down. A friend on the other side
of town, up higher than we are (but still a subdivision) came out one
morning to find blood and guts and a blood trail all over their
driveway. A cougar had got a deer. Bear and cougar in the city are
not common or normal. Some just follow a drainage and end up in town
and wander around a bit. Others come down looking for food. Mostly
this happens in winter but the drought changes things
Janet US

Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> read up on how to do duck/goose before you do it yourself.

Next time, I'll cook one on a rack and I won't stuff it either (the
stuffing gets soaked with grease).

G.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:57:44 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>
>> The only time I would have resorted to violence was when somebody
>> drove down our little road and dumped off three pet rabbits - we
>> suspected they were easter gifts to kids that became inconvenient when
>> summer vacation came along.
>
> :-( We've lived the last 30 years in tourist destination areas where
>this happens every year. Of course if the owners dumped the unwanted pet
>on the street near home there's a good chance someone might know who
>owned it; and (here) if they offload it to a rescue/rehome centre they
>have to pay a contribution. So they take the poor thing to their holiday
>destination and dump it anonymously where there's no cost or come-back.
>
> We've seen pet cats and dogs turned loose on main roads and pet rabbits
>liberated as easy prey to dogs badgers, and hawks. Just yesterday (start
>of big holiday weekend) a terrified strange dog ran back and forth up
>and down our lane for hours; we tried everything but couldnt catch the
>poor thing. It isn't a local dog.
>
>
> Janet UK.

I suppose along with everything disposable, pets get it too. It's
heartbreaking. Two weeks ago my daughter spotted something moving in
the bottom of the garden, sent SIL out to check. Red Persian cat,
heavily abused. Been kicked in the face and his jaw was broken and
someone had tried to set fire to his fur. They took him to the vet
who fixed the jaw up but after two weeks it became clear he had
problems controlling bladder and bowel. Turned out he had some kidney
complaint and in the end they decided to put him down, the vet
estimated he had another couple of months at best. However, they had
all the distress, it really upset both of them.


Which is the reason we only take rescue dogs.