Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I can buy pumpkin cat food. Soulistic makes it. My cats won't eat it.

That makes sense. Cats are carnivores. I doubt pumpkin would be a
preferred food. All the years we had Mr.Kitty living here (19.5), I
tried all the pet store "better" foods. He wouldn't eat any of them.
He loved the cheap grocery store brands.

Gary

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
> > stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The "coolest"
> > place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.
>
> Well that is what I do too, but perhaps if I didn't have the space indoors
> ... not sure where I would put them.

It's not a matter of space indoors (or lack of). The idea is to put a
large pot of soup somewhere to cool down the fastest way possible
before putting it away in the fridge. This is why I prefer to cook
stock and soup when it's very cold out. Once done I can set my 8qt pot
full on the back porch to cool down pretty quickly, then into the
fridge. If my local raccoon wants to have some while it's outside, I
don't mind sharing. Just don't eat it all, or I'll be eating raccoon
stew a few days later.

Maybe this only applies to people that make large batches of soup. I
use an 8 quart pot and fill it right up. Sheldon uses a 16 quart pot
and fills that up. I wonder how he cools his down. It would take
forever leaving it on the counter. I prefer to cool it quicker outside
on cold days. I never leave it out overnight though...just for a few
hours.

Gary

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>> > Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
>> > stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The "coolest"
>> > place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.
>>
>> Well that is what I do too, but perhaps if I didn't have the space
>> indoors
>> ... not sure where I would put them.
>
> It's not a matter of space indoors (or lack of). The idea is to put a
> large pot of soup somewhere to cool down the fastest way possible
> before putting it away in the fridge.

Yes I understood that.

This is why I prefer to cook
> stock and soup when it's very cold out. Once done I can set my 8qt pot
> full on the back porch to cool down pretty quickly, then into the
> fridge. If my local raccoon wants to have some while it's outside, I
> don't mind sharing. Just don't eat it all, or I'll be eating raccoon
> stew a few days later.


lol all good protein)


> Maybe this only applies to people that make large batches of soup. I
> use an 8 quart pot and fill it right up. Sheldon uses a 16 quart pot
> and fills that up. I wonder how he cools his down. It would take
> forever leaving it on the counter. I prefer to cool it quicker outside
> on cold days. I never leave it out overnight though...just for a few
> hours.
>
> Gary


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On 10/15/2013 10:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Of course the paint won't "escape". Neither will the paint thinner.
>> I'm simply saying my garage is the place to store chemical items. I
>> don't want a pot of food cooled a shelf that contains chemicals. I
>> don't know why no one seems to understand that.
>
>
> *curious* Don't you put your car in there? We don't anything in ours
> except our cars (well we have stuff in the roof part but not on the floor.

Yes, I put my car in the garage. Also the lawn mower. There is also a
tool chest with wrenches, hammers, screws and nails. Again, I don't
consider the garage a place to cool down a pot of soup or stew even if
it *did* get cold here. The kitchen suffices.

Jill

On 10/15/2013 10:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> In article >,
> jmcquown > wrote:
>> Good for you having cold winters. It does NOT get cold here. We live
>> in very different places. That's why I won't put a pot of soup or stew
>> outside to "chill". It won't.
>
> Naturally. A quick google suggests it might not even get as cold
> as a refrigerator.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Heh. In the winter it sometimes gets down to 35°F! Winter being
December/January. As I said before, I let it cool on the counter in the
kitchen, then put it in the fridge. No big deal.

And no, I'm not paranoid about it. It's simply too warm here to think
about using the garage as a place to cool food, shelf or no shelf.

Jill
Saint Helena Island, SC

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:26:58 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I *could* put stuff in my garage but I find that to be kind of creepy.
>>> It's not the cleanest place and there are dirty looking cobwebs up so
>>> high that I can't get to them.
>>
>> Tie a feather duster to a broom handle
>>
>That's the old fashioned way! Buy a Swiffer extension duster/wand. Or
>whatever they call it. I don't have that brand but I do have an
>extension duster I use for dusting the tops of the ceiling fans. There
>are extension wands for high up places.

I have several Swiffer products, they work far better than the
copycats, except for one of my barn kittens I namedSwiffer.

>Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.

I cool food in my garage whenever the temperature is at fridge
temperature, which will occur soon... however I don't cool food over
night in the dead of winter or it will freeze solid within two hours.
Sometimes I cool food on my deck too. It's covered so I see no
problem, with the lid on the pot the outdoors is as clean as in
anyone's fridge.

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:08:15 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I *could* put stuff in my garage but I find that to be kind of creepy.
>>>> It's not the cleanest place and there are dirty looking cobwebs up so
>>>> high that I can't get to them.
>>>
>>> Tie a feather duster to a broom handle
>>>
>> That's the old fashioned way!
>
>Hey, don't knock it, it works)
>
>
>Buy a Swiffer extension duster/wand. Or
>> whatever they call it. I don't have that brand but I do have an extension
>> duster I use for dusting the tops of the ceiling fans. There are
>> extension wands for high up places.
>>
>> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.
>
>Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??

When I cool pots outdoors I place the lid on the pot and then place
the pot in a clean 6 gallon trash can I have for that purpose... I
have several of those 6 gallon galvanized steel cans, they are good
for storing dried cat food in my barn... so far no critters have
gotten into them, they have a locking lid.

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:52:23 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/15/2013 5:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>>> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.
>>
>> Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??
>>
>>
>Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
>stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The "coolest"
>place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.

But where you live the outdoors never gets cold enough to store food
at a safe temperature. Where I live regular windshield washer fluid
freezes solid, I have to buy the special one that's made for -40ºF.

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:05:56 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>> > Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
>> > stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The "coolest"
>> > place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.
>>
>> Well that is what I do too, but perhaps if I didn't have the space indoors
>> ... not sure where I would put them.
>
>It's not a matter of space indoors (or lack of). The idea is to put a
>large pot of soup somewhere to cool down the fastest way possible
>before putting it away in the fridge. This is why I prefer to cook
>stock and soup when it's very cold out. Once done I can set my 8qt pot
>full on the back porch to cool down pretty quickly, then into the
>fridge. If my local raccoon wants to have some while it's outside, I
>don't mind sharing. Just don't eat it all, or I'll be eating raccoon
>stew a few days later.
>
>Maybe this only applies to people that make large batches of soup. I
>use an 8 quart pot and fill it right up. Sheldon uses a 16 quart pot
>and fills that up. I wonder how he cools his down. It would take
>forever leaving it on the counter. I prefer to cool it quicker outside
>on cold days. I never leave it out overnight though...just for a few
>hours.

You live in Virginia (I assume), it rarely gets very cold even in
winter... I live in The Catskills, 0ºF and lower is normal during
winter... most winter nights it's colder than a home freezer.
Typically there's a few feet of that white stuff on the ground, then I
place my large pots directly on the snow, the heat of the pot melts it
into the snow... the snow acts like an igloo, the pot cools quick but
won't freeze solid, when it's down to about -20º outside my soup only
gets slushy. However if I'm running short of time I divide my large
pot of soup between two or three smaller pots.

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:29:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I *could* put stuff in my garage but I find that to be kind of creepy.
>>> It's not the cleanest place and there are dirty looking cobwebs up so
>>> high that I can't get to them.
>>
>> Tie a feather duster to a broom handle
>
>I'd still need to stand on a very tall ladder. I have a Webster with an
>extendable handle and another type of similar duster. Neither of which are
>even close enough to reaching up there. I have a stupid garage design.
>Actually I have a stupid house design.

Yeah, but... was made for yoose... matches the occupants.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:08:15 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I *could* put stuff in my garage but I find that to be kind of creepy.
>>>>> It's not the cleanest place and there are dirty looking cobwebs up so
>>>>> high that I can't get to them.
>>>>
>>>> Tie a feather duster to a broom handle
>>>>
>>> That's the old fashioned way!
>>
>>Hey, don't knock it, it works)
>>
>>
>>Buy a Swiffer extension duster/wand. Or
>>> whatever they call it. I don't have that brand but I do have an
>>> extension
>>> duster I use for dusting the tops of the ceiling fans. There are
>>> extension wands for high up places.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>>> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.
>>
>>Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??
>
> When I cool pots outdoors I place the lid on the pot and then place
> the pot in a clean 6 gallon trash can I have for that purpose... I
> have several of those 6 gallon galvanized steel cans, they are good
> for storing dried cat food in my barn... so far no critters have
> gotten into them, they have a locking lid.

Good idea!

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I *could* put stuff in my garage but I find that to be kind of creepy.
>>> It's not the cleanest place and there are dirty looking cobwebs up so
>>> high that I can't get to them.
>>
>> Tie a feather duster to a broom handle
>>
> That's the old fashioned way! Buy a Swiffer extension duster/wand. Or
> whatever they call it. I don't have that brand but I do have an extension
> duster I use for dusting the tops of the ceiling fans. There are
> extension wands for high up places.
>
> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.

I don't like Swiffers. We were gifted with one and it wouldn't pick up any
dust. Just spread it around.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I *could* put stuff in my garage but I find that to be kind of creepy.
>>>> It's not the cleanest place and there are dirty looking cobwebs up so
>>>> high that I can't get to them.
>>>
>>> Tie a feather duster to a broom handle
>>>
>> That's the old fashioned way!
>
> Hey, don't knock it, it works)
>
>
> Buy a Swiffer extension duster/wand. Or
>> whatever they call it. I don't have that brand but I do have an
>> extension
>> duster I use for dusting the tops of the ceiling fans. There are
>> extension wands for high up places.
>>
>> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.
>
> Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??

I don't know how it is where you live, but here, the garage is usually where
the pipes exit the house. Including the sewer pipe!

We also have a 400 sq. ft. back house but it is creepy. Full of spiders,
pill bugs and worms.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/15/2013 5:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>>> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.
>>
>> Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??
>>
>>
> Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
> stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The "coolest"
> place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.

I could see it if I had a special, clean cabinet out there just for food.
But I don't. I know of people who have enclosed porches. They will store
food out there. I could see it with something that you wanted to keep at a
cool temp., but that didn't necessarily need to keep cold. But they are
keeping things out there like pans of lasagna. I would never do that
because you can't be sure that it will be a proper temp.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/15/2013 5:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>>>> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.
>>>
>>> Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??
>>>
>>>
>> Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
>> stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The "coolest"
>> place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.
>
> Well that is what I do too, but perhaps if I didn't have the space indoors
> ... not sure where I would put them.

I used to bake tons of cookies for Christmas. I would put them in plastic
bags and then in paper grocery bags and keep them in my storage room at one
apartment I had. I only had a smallish closet type thing in there but I had
a huge apartment so didn't really need it. I mainly only kept things like
my punch bowl and seasonal decorations in there. So plenty of room for the
cookies. The laundry room was also in this same unit. Two washers and two
dryers. Although the dryers would generate some heat, they were far enough
away that they didn't affect the cookies. But the unit was considerably
cooler than my apartment was so I think it kept the cookies fresher. They
weren't in there for a long time though. 2-3 weeks at the most.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>> > Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
>> > stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The "coolest"
>> > place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.
>>
>> Well that is what I do too, but perhaps if I didn't have the space
>> indoors
>> ... not sure where I would put them.
>
> It's not a matter of space indoors (or lack of). The idea is to put a
> large pot of soup somewhere to cool down the fastest way possible
> before putting it away in the fridge. This is why I prefer to cook
> stock and soup when it's very cold out. Once done I can set my 8qt pot
> full on the back porch to cool down pretty quickly, then into the
> fridge. If my local raccoon wants to have some while it's outside, I
> don't mind sharing. Just don't eat it all, or I'll be eating raccoon
> stew a few days later.
>
> Maybe this only applies to people that make large batches of soup. I
> use an 8 quart pot and fill it right up. Sheldon uses a 16 quart pot
> and fills that up. I wonder how he cools his down. It would take
> forever leaving it on the counter. I prefer to cool it quicker outside
> on cold days. I never leave it out overnight though...just for a few
> hours.
>
> Gary

You could always use the method that my mom used for fudge and other candy
that she wanted to cool quickly. Fill a large basin with cold water and ice
cubes, submerge the pot in there and stir it till it cools.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:05:56 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>>> > Nope. The garage is the place where tools and things like paint are
>>> > stored. It's not the place for food, secure lid or not. The
>>> > "coolest"
>>> > place for food is inside the house or in the refrigerator.
>>>
>>> Well that is what I do too, but perhaps if I didn't have the space
>>> indoors
>>> ... not sure where I would put them.
>>
>>It's not a matter of space indoors (or lack of). The idea is to put a
>>large pot of soup somewhere to cool down the fastest way possible
>>before putting it away in the fridge. This is why I prefer to cook
>>stock and soup when it's very cold out. Once done I can set my 8qt pot
>>full on the back porch to cool down pretty quickly, then into the
>>fridge. If my local raccoon wants to have some while it's outside, I
>>don't mind sharing. Just don't eat it all, or I'll be eating raccoon
>>stew a few days later.
>>
>>Maybe this only applies to people that make large batches of soup. I
>>use an 8 quart pot and fill it right up. Sheldon uses a 16 quart pot
>>and fills that up. I wonder how he cools his down. It would take
>>forever leaving it on the counter. I prefer to cool it quicker outside
>>on cold days. I never leave it out overnight though...just for a few
>>hours.
>
> You live in Virginia (I assume), it rarely gets very cold even in
> winter... I live in The Catskills, 0ºF and lower is normal during
> winter... most winter nights it's colder than a home freezer.
> Typically there's a few feet of that white stuff on the ground, then I
> place my large pots directly on the snow, the heat of the pot melts it
> into the snow... the snow acts like an igloo, the pot cools quick but
> won't freeze solid, when it's down to about -20º outside my soup only
> gets slushy. However if I'm running short of time I divide my large
> pot of soup between two or three smaller pots.

My kitchen gets pretty cold in the winter. Although there is a heater in
there, I think I only turned it on once. That was during the time when we
had been snowed in for a week, then had one day to get out before getting
snowed in again.

My stove is at the end of the kitchen and unless it has been on, the metal
of it will be very cold to the touch this time of year. So I only need to
leave stuff on the top of the stove to cool. If there is not enough room, I
pull out the cutting board and set stuff there.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Of course the paint won't "escape". Neither will the paint thinner. I'm
>> simply saying my garage is the place to store chemical items. I don't
>> want a pot of food cooled a shelf that contains chemicals. I don't know
>> why no one seems to understand that.
>
>
> *curious* Don't you put your car in there? We don't anything in ours
> except our cars (well we have stuff in the roof part but not on the floor.

On this street you can't put a car in most of the garages. Perhaps a Smart
car or a motorcycle but these houses were built in the 1980s and there were
no smart cars then. So I don't quite understand the design except that they
have the water heater out there. So that's nice. Because when ours broke a
couple of years ago, that trickle of water (thankfully I walked in on it as
it was happening) did not damage anything.

The door moves up and down like a garage door and there is even an opener
for it. There is a very small work bench with a couple of shelves above.
Somebody put some crappy shelves on two of the other walls, up high. They
don't match. It's like they found some old brackets and shelves to fit. I
keep my canning stuff out there. And some keepsakes for Angela. That's
about all that will fit on those shelves. My old washer and dryer are out
there and on top of those are more canning jars, the food dehydrator and the
bread machine.

I have two free standing shelving units. One is plastic. We already had
that when we moved here. I had to remove the top shelf though to get it to
fit partially under the shelves that were already there. The other is a
heavy metal one that I've seen referred to as a baker's rack. On these I
keep extra canned goods, oil (but I try not to put anything in a glass
bottle after I had an accident with some enchilada sauce), peanut butter,
etc. I also have some large plastic bins and they hold extra paper goods.
What little floor space is left is used for huge packs of paper towels and
toilet paper until I have enough room in the bins to break them down and put
them in there. And cases of drinks like bottled water, sports drinks, V8,
etc..

I also have extra garbage cans and recycle bins out here. We've had bad
snow or garbage/recycle strikes to where we've had to keep buying more and
more containers to put stuff in. I also generally have the heap o' boxes
out there. I mail order a lot and for some reason, a lot of places like to
put a few small things in a huge box with tons of packing peanuts or bubble
wrap. I don't get that.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/15/2013 10:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Of course the paint won't "escape". Neither will the paint thinner.
>>> I'm simply saying my garage is the place to store chemical items. I
>>> don't want a pot of food cooled a shelf that contains chemicals. I
>>> don't know why no one seems to understand that.
>>
>>
>> *curious* Don't you put your car in there? We don't anything in ours
>> except our cars (well we have stuff in the roof part but not on the
>> floor.
>
> Yes, I put my car in the garage. Also the lawn mower. There is also a
> tool chest with wrenches, hammers, screws and nails. Again, I don't
> consider the garage a place to cool down a pot of soup or stew even if it
> *did* get cold here. The kitchen suffices.

We don't keep any garden things in there because the smell of gas could be
smelled in the house. We do have a garden shed and most all of the garden
tools will fit in there. Although the fruit picker is a bit touchy. You
have to put it in there exactly right to get it to fit and then it sort of
blocks you from being able to get at the other things. So it usually goes
in the back house or at the side of it under cover. Not sure the mower
would fit in there either. I don't think it is wide enough. We keep it in
the back house.

Our assortment of wheel barrows is alongside the back house in a covered
area. Why the assortment? Well, I bought one when we lived on Cape Cod.
Actually it was called a garden cart. How husband did not know that I had
this, is beyond me. So he went out and bought one when we got this house.
The other problem? He told the realtor that the former owner could leave
anything they wanted to, here. And it seems that they collected
wheelbarrows.

So... The first time we went to daughter's dance studio's showcase, I was
putting tickets into boxes for the raffle they always have. One prize was a
wheelbarrow full of bottles of wine. Husband saw it, looked panicked,
hurled himself in front of it and said, "No! Don't get THIS!" Of course
that got people to talking, thinking there was some sort of drink problem.
I just laughed and said, "No. We have a wheelbarrow problem!" Should
probably put a few of those out by the street with a "free" sign but from
the looks of what the neighbors put out there, there aren't ever any takers.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I can buy pumpkin cat food. Soulistic makes it. My cats won't eat it.
>
> That makes sense. Cats are carnivores. I doubt pumpkin would be a
> preferred food. All the years we had Mr.Kitty living here (19.5), I
> tried all the pet store "better" foods. He wouldn't eat any of them.
> He loved the cheap grocery store brands.
>
> Gary

There is meat in there too. I think chicken. One was a soup.

Our one cat has gotten weird. She would never touch any kind of moist food
and would only eat Now! dry food. Then after being outside for something
like a week and losing a whole pound, she will eat any kind of dry food and
seems to prefer those to the Now! She is also eating the Fancy Feast
Classic but only that kind and only certain flavors of the moist. Seems to
prefer chicken, beef and salmon. Prior I had bought the appetizers because
her daughter liked them but then she went off of those and would only eat
the Soulistic, and just one certain kind of tuna. Mom won't eat that and
neither would our new kitten. New kitten wouldn't eat dry at first. I
think maybe she didn't know what it was. But now she will eat that and will
also eat the same moist as Jazzy. Both love treats! That's what they would
prefer to eat all the time. Not sure what they put in the treats that they
like so well. And the kitten will eat human food. I dropped a noodle on
the floor the other day. Turned to get a paper towel to pick it up and by
the time I got back, Jetta was licking her lips.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/14/2013 8:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I *could* put stuff in my garage but I find that to be kind of creepy.
>>>>> It's not the cleanest place and there are dirty looking cobwebs up so
>>>>> high that I can't get to them.
>>>>
>>>> Tie a feather duster to a broom handle
>>>>
>>> That's the old fashioned way!
>>
>> Hey, don't knock it, it works)
>>
>>
>> Buy a Swiffer extension duster/wand. Or
>>> whatever they call it. I don't have that brand but I do have an
>>> extension
>>> duster I use for dusting the tops of the ceiling fans. There are
>>> extension wands for high up places.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I wouldn't cool a pot of food in the garage no matter
>>> how cold or clean it was. It just rubs me the wrong way.
>>
>> Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??
>
> I don't know how it is where you live, but here, the garage is usually
> where the pipes exit the house. Including the sewer pipe!
>
> We also have a 400 sq. ft. back house but it is creepy. Full of spiders,
> pill bugs and worms.

Why don't you clear it all out and use that space for something?


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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> So... The first time we went to daughter's dance studio's showcase, I was
> putting tickets into boxes for the raffle they always have. One prize was
> a wheelbarrow full of bottles of wine. Husband saw it, looked panicked,
> hurled himself in front of it and said, "No! Don't get THIS!" Of course
> that got people to talking, thinking there was some sort of drink problem.
> I just laughed and said, "No. We have a wheelbarrow problem!" >

lol


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In article >,
Julie Bove > wrote:
>>
>> Not even with a secure lid and if it is coolest place??
>
>I don't know how it is where you live, but here, the garage is usually where
>the pipes exit the house. Including the sewer pipe!

In areas where it actually gets cold, the sewer pipes exit the house
through the basement, below the frost line so that they don't freeze.
The frost line is about 42 inches here in southeast Michigan. Generally,
though, the sewer line exits below the basement floor--as low as possible
rather than as high as possible. My previous house had a crawlspace,
and the sewer line went down into the crawl, into the ground, and then
out to the road.

Most houses here have basements, because once you've
dug the foundation down 4 feet to get below the frost line so your
foundation doesn't heave out of the ground, you may as well dig another
couple feet and have a basement. My basement is about 6' from top to
bottom; modern houses are generally more like 8', reflecting the fact
that it's a lot easier to dig nowadays with power equipment than it
was way back when with a shovel.

Cindy Hamilton
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In article >, says...

> I don't know how it is where you live, but here, the garage is usually where
> the pipes exit the house. Including the sewer pipe!

Where I live, we use closed and sealed sewer pipes.

Janet

In article >,
says...

> Most houses here have basements, because once you've
> dug the foundation down 4 feet to get below the frost line so your
> foundation doesn't heave out of the ground, you may as well dig another
> couple feet and have a basement.

Thanks for the explanation, I'd often wondered.

Janet UK