I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
bathroom.

The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.

On 10/30/13 10:24 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
> transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
> is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
> when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
> and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
> then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
> tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
> bathroom.
>
> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>

Isn't that a question you should ask your doctor and not a COOKING group?
Hasn't this group been ruined enough by all these off topic posts?
<insert eye roll>

ObFood- 12 oz Diet ginger ale mixed with a 6 ounce can of pineapple
juice. Sort of my own little punch party when I want something different
to drink.

"Metspitzer" > wrote in message
...
>I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
> transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
> is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
> when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
> and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
> then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
> tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
> bathroom.
>
> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>

you might try adding saffron to your diet. And removing other items which I
don't know offhand.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer >
wrote:



>
>The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.

Side effect. It won't get rid of the pain. Watch your diet for what
triggers gout for you.

http://www.rxlist.com/colcrys-side-e...rug-center.htm

some touches on diet here
http://www.rxlist.com/gout_slideshow...ut/article.htm

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:36:54 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:



>
>Isn't that a question you should ask your doctor and not a COOKING group?
>Hasn't this group been ruined enough by all these off topic posts?
><insert eye roll>

Maybe, but doctors don't know everything. Some side research is often
good. Yes, I can tell you stories of mis and missed diagnosis by
doctors that were correctly identified by the patient.

Is gout off topic? It is related to diet and can be triggered by
certain foods so, IMO, it is a viable on topic discussion. I know
someone that just had an attack caused by asparagus.


>
>ObFood- 12 oz Diet ginger ale mixed with a 6 ounce can of pineapple
>juice. Sort of my own little punch party when I want something different
>to drink.

I don't do diet drinks but it sounds good with regular ginger ale.
Maybe a bit of rum too.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer >
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>>what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>>of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>
>Side effect. It won't get rid of the pain. Watch your diet for what
>triggers gout for you.
>
>http://www.rxlist.com/colcrys-side-e...rug-center.htm
>

I read some of the side effects. My thinking was that gout is caused,
in my case, because of too much uric acid. Maybe going to the
bathroom is a fast way to lower it.

>some touches on diet here
>http://www.rxlist.com/gout_slideshow...ut/article.htm

Yeah, diet sucks. This bout was caused by steak and lobster. I
tried really hard to skip the lobster. Didn't happen.

It had been a really long while between bouts. I remember now why I
should skip the lobster.

"Metspitzer" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>>>what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>>>of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>>
>>Side effect. It won't get rid of the pain. Watch your diet for what
>>triggers gout for you.
>>
>>http://www.rxlist.com/colcrys-side-e...rug-center.htm
>>
>
> I read some of the side effects. My thinking was that gout is caused,
> in my case, because of too much uric acid. Maybe going to the
> bathroom is a fast way to lower it.
>
>>some touches on diet here
>>http://www.rxlist.com/gout_slideshow...ut/article.htm
>
> Yeah, diet sucks. This bout was caused by steak and lobster. I
> tried really hard to skip the lobster. Didn't happen.
>
> It had been a really long while between bouts. I remember now why I
> should skip the lobster.

I was just reading about it and even your shoes can cause a flare-up if they
are the wrong style. Said never to wear pointed toe or chisel toe. I think
husband's work shoes are the chisel toe. They are sort of squared off but
angle inward towards the toe. Said that the more unstylish ones with a big
round toe are the best. And no sandals, flip flops or slippers. Some
people I know with gout resort to slippers. I read that they do not provide
enough support.

On 10/31/13 12:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:36:54 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> Isn't that a question you should ask your doctor and not a COOKING group?
>> Hasn't this group been ruined enough by all these off topic posts?
>> <insert eye roll>
>
> Maybe, but doctors don't know everything. Some side research is often
> good. Yes, I can tell you stories of mis and missed diagnosis by
> doctors that were correctly identified by the patient.
>
> Is gout off topic? It is related to diet and can be triggered by
> certain foods so, IMO, it is a viable on topic discussion. I know
> someone that just had an attack caused by asparagus.

Anyone who says he's had a liver transplant needs to refer his med
questions to his doctor. Too many reasons why to bother listing.

Goomba -a critical care nurse

On 10/30/2013 10:24 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
> transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
> is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
> when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
> and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
> then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
> tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
> bathroom.
>
> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>
Why not ask your doctor or pharmacist?

Jill

On 10/30/2013 11:36 PM, Goomba wrote:
> On 10/30/13 10:24 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
>> I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
>> transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
>> is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
>> when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
>> and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
>> then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
>> tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
>> bathroom.
>>
>> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>>
>
> Isn't that a question you should ask your doctor and not a COOKING group?

Good question.
>
> ObFood- 12 oz Diet ginger ale mixed with a 6 ounce can of pineapple
> juice. Sort of my own little punch party when I want something different
> to drink.

I like ginger ale. I never thought of mixing it with pineapple juice.
Thanks!

Jill

On 10/31/2013 12:35 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer >
>> wrote:
>>> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>>> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>>> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>>
>> Side effect. It won't get rid of the pain. Watch your diet for what
>> triggers gout for you.
>>
(snippage)

> Yeah, diet sucks. This bout was caused by steak and lobster. I
> tried really hard to skip the lobster. Didn't happen.
>
> It had been a really long while between bouts. I remember now why I
> should skip the lobster.
>
Are you by any chance married to sf? <ducking and running>

Apparently seafood triggers his gout, too.

Jill

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:00:27 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:



>
>Anyone who says he's had a liver transplant needs to refer his med
>questions to his doctor. Too many reasons why to bother listing.
>
>Goomba -a critical care nurse

Yes, and then go another couple of steps There are many wonderful
people in the medical profession. Smart and caring as they are, they
don't know everything so it is good to do some research on your own. I
speak from first hand experience.

On 10/31/13 8:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:00:27 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> Anyone who says he's had a liver transplant needs to refer his med
>> questions to his doctor. Too many reasons why to bother listing.
>>
>> Goomba -a critical care nurse
>
> Yes, and then go another couple of steps There are many wonderful
> people in the medical profession. Smart and caring as they are, they
> don't know everything so it is good to do some research on your own. I
> speak from first hand experience.

Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
paid for it.
Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:40:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:00:27 -0400, Goomba >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Anyone who says he's had a liver transplant needs to refer his med
>>>questions to his doctor. Too many reasons why to bother listing.
>>>
>>>Goomba -a critical care nurse
>>
>>Yes, and then go another couple of steps There are many wonderful
>>people in the medical profession. Smart and caring as they are, they
>>don't know everything so it is good to do some research on your own. I
>>speak from first hand experience.
>
> I timidly asked my doc if I could try Imitrex for my migraines when it
> first came out - he gladly looked it up and gave me a prescription. I
> had thought he would be annoyed with me but he said no, it's not
> possible for family doctors to keep up with all the reading there is
> and the patient who suffers from something will be reading anything
> new on the subject, thus being better informed on one item.

Ours are like that too

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/31/13 8:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:00:27 -0400, Goomba >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who says he's had a liver transplant needs to refer his med
>>> questions to his doctor. Too many reasons why to bother listing.
>>>
>>> Goomba -a critical care nurse
>>
>> Yes, and then go another couple of steps There are many wonderful
>> people in the medical profession. Smart and caring as they are, they
>> don't know everything so it is good to do some research on your own. I
>> speak from first hand experience.
>
> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
> paid for it.
> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and doing
> your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.

True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to him
that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
considering.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:

>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>> paid for it.
>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>
> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
> considering.

How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???

I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 10/31/2013 12:35 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer >
>> wrote:
>>> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>>> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>>> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>>
>> Side effect. It won't get rid of the pain. Watch your diet for what
>> triggers gout for you.
>>
(snippage)

> Yeah, diet sucks. This bout was caused by steak and lobster. I
> tried really hard to skip the lobster. Didn't happen.
>
> It had been a really long while between bouts. I remember now why I
> should skip the lobster.
>
Are you by any chance married to sf? <ducking and running>

Apparently seafood triggers his gout, too.

Jill

~~~~~~~
My father sometimes suffered through episodes of gout (and it really was
*suffering*). He had to avoid food that was high in purines. That really
limited his diet.

MaryL

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>>> paid for it.
>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>>
>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
>> considering.
>
> How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about gout
> meds and implications with any experience? Really???

Who knows? Not I!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:40:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:00:27 -0400, Goomba >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Anyone who says he's had a liver transplant needs to refer his med
>>>questions to his doctor. Too many reasons why to bother listing.
>>>
>>>Goomba -a critical care nurse
>>
>>Yes, and then go another couple of steps There are many wonderful
>>people in the medical profession. Smart and caring as they are, they
>>don't know everything so it is good to do some research on your own. I
>>speak from first hand experience.
>
> I timidly asked my doc if I could try Imitrex for my migraines when it
> first came out - he gladly looked it up and gave me a prescription. I
> had thought he would be annoyed with me but he said no, it's not
> possible for family doctors to keep up with all the reading there is
> and the patient who suffers from something will be reading anything
> new on the subject, thus being better informed on one item.

I had a Dr. tell me that my best resource for medical stuff was the
Internet. Why did I go to her? Chronic pain! She is no longer practicing
at that clinic. She went elsewhere to a chronic pain relief place. Did she
do a thing for my pain? No. Except to prescribe an off label seizure med
that caused me all sorts of scary side effects. She did however
inadvertently find part of the source of the pain which was being put on a
thyroid med that as it turned out, I didn't need. She wouldn't do anything
about it though, referring me to my Endo. who kept me on the med but lowered
the dose twice at my insistence. It would take two more Endos. in two
different states to finally put that right.

And when I moved to NY, yet another medical condition was diagnosed
correctly. I had been told that I had psoriasis on my legs when it was not
at all but stasis dermatitis due to venous insufficiency. Odd thing was,
every Dr. I saw in NY nailed that one immediately! I saw I think 5
different ones in CA and none of them got it right.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>>>> paid for it.
>>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>>>
>>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
>>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
>>> considering.
>>
>>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
>>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
>>
>>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
>>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.
>
> Well that would point to a need the doctor has not fulfilled then - if
> such is the case.

And it isn't the case. She just sees it as that and... The same thing that
you just said would apply there too!

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> On 10/31/2013 12:35 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer >
>>> wrote:
>>>> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>>>> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>>>> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>>>
>>> Side effect. It won't get rid of the pain. Watch your diet for what
>>> triggers gout for you.
>>>
> (snippage)
>
>> Yeah, diet sucks. This bout was caused by steak and lobster. I
>> tried really hard to skip the lobster. Didn't happen.
>>
>> It had been a really long while between bouts. I remember now why I
>> should skip the lobster.
>>
> Are you by any chance married to sf? <ducking and running>
>
> Apparently seafood triggers his gout, too.
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~~
> My father sometimes suffered through episodes of gout (and it really was
> *suffering*). He had to avoid food that was high in purines. That really
> limited his diet.
>
> MaryL

Just had a talk with the gouty one here. Although I was attempting to watch
what I fed him here... I did remember that he talked of the chef at work
who cooked lots of wonderful stuff including salmon and lots of seafood.
Then I said, "You aren't eating seafood at work are you?" To which he
replied, "Why?" And after my answer, he went silent. So... We'll see...

"Metspitzer" wrote in message
...

I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
bathroom.

The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
__________________________________________________ ____

Define "go to the bathroom".

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:34:25 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
>wrote:
>
>>On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>>>> paid for it.
>>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>>>
>>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
>>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
>>> considering.
>>
>>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
>>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
>>
>>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
>>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.
>
>Well that would point to a need the doctor has not fulfilled then - if
>such is the case.

I think the best solution is not to rely on just the family medicine
doctor. That doctor should be the central point of your health care
who refers you on to doctors who specialize. One doctor cannot be
informed and current on everything. Unfortunately, many people can't
afford or their insurance won't cover the cost of multiple doctors.
Janet US

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer >
wrote:

>I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
>transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
>is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
>when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
>and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
>then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
>tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
>bathroom.
>
>The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.

Many drugs cause diarrhea or constipation. That isn't the cure, it is
a side effect.
Janet US

On 2013-10-31, Metspitzer > wrote:
> I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
>
> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.

I first thought you were a troll, the last question being so bizarre.
I can see, now, you are not.

I've been taking allupurinol for over 10 yrs. This for one very
severe attack of gout. The entire episode lasted 8 mos. I took
colchicine and one other drug. I endured crutches and a cane for 6
mos, an anal itch I was ready to take a claw hammer to, multiple
migraines, and finally, a spinal tap. In short, it was a nightmare
brought on by my own personal allergies, whatever they may be,
incompetent doctors, and a short lived but intense craving for salt
dried anchovies. Allupurinol was a godsend.

My first advice is, find a good doctor, preferrably a rheumatologists.
Quit eating any small fish, like anchovies or sardines or smelt.
Drink plenty of water. The going to the bathroom thing is the result
of drinking mucho water. Take yer allupurinol religiously.

Here's a few facts. Gout is a build up of uric acid in the blood
stream. When there is too much, it crystalizes and the crystals
settle in the soft tissue of bone joints. It's like broken glass
shards in yer flesh and it hurts! Uric acid build up is caused by one
of two things. Yer body is creating too much of it or yer body is not
eliminating it quick enough. Uric acid is caused by converting the
purines in yer food. All foods have 'em, some waaay more than others,
so diet is important. It's genetic. Allupurinol helps yer body git
rid of uric acid. Lastly, and most importantly, IMO, it takes weeks
and months, not days, to get yer uric acid level down, so don't expect
any short term solutions. Also, repeated attacks will break down and
irreparably destroy joint tissue, so you want to knock gout down and
keep it down.

Colcry is a brand name for colchicine, which is good for knocking down
a full blown attack of gout, but it's not a long term solution and the
side effects can be brutal. I can't handle the drug for more than
about 5 days. It's a temporary solution to a long term affliction,
but it has its advantages. I still keep some in the house. There can
be side effects to allupurinol, specially from over dosing. I
suffered sore and achy muscles, for months. This no doubt due to
taking initial doses of up to 1000mgs per day. When I got down to
300mgs, the side effects disappeared. The doctor claimed he'd never
heard of such side effects. Well, I had it, but perhaps that's jes
me.

The allupurinol will do the job you need and is relatively benign. At
least I no longer fear it. I can now eat/drink anything I want,
including anchovies, but I keep that to about once per year. Gout is
no picnic, but it can be controlled and lived with. Basically, you
jes gotta be smarter than the gout. Good luck.

nb

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:34:25 -0300, wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
> >>>> paid for it.
> >>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
> >>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
> >>>
> >>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
> >>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
> >>> considering.
> >>
> >>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
> >>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
> >>
> >>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
> >>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.
> >
> >Well that would point to a need the doctor has not fulfilled then - if
> >such is the case.
>
> I think the best solution is not to rely on just the family medicine
> doctor.

Well, I hardly think it was the family doctor who performed a liver
transplant or all the specialist follow-up consults.

The post-transplant OP surely has follow-up contact with highly
specialised doctors and they are the best place to direct questions
about his post-transplant meds and side effects.

Janet UK

Metspitzer wrote:

> I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
>
> transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
>
> is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
>
> when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
>
> and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
>
> then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
>
> tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
>
> bathroom.
>
>
>
> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>
> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>
> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.


The colchicine has the side effect of making one go to the bathroom...

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Sqwertz wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:24:03 -0400, Metspitzer wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout.
>
>
>
> Woe is you.



Cold...!!!


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"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-10-31, Metspitzer > wrote:
>> I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
>>
>> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>
> I first thought you were a troll, the last question being so bizarre.
> I can see, now, you are not.
>
> I've been taking allupurinol for over 10 yrs. This for one very
> severe attack of gout. The entire episode lasted 8 mos. I took
> colchicine and one other drug. I endured crutches and a cane for 6
> mos, an anal itch I was ready to take a claw hammer to, multiple
> migraines, and finally, a spinal tap. In short, it was a nightmare
> brought on by my own personal allergies, whatever they may be,
> incompetent doctors, and a short lived but intense craving for salt
> dried anchovies. Allupurinol was a godsend.
>
> My first advice is, find a good doctor, preferrably a rheumatologists.
> Quit eating any small fish, like anchovies or sardines or smelt.
> Drink plenty of water. The going to the bathroom thing is the result
> of drinking mucho water. Take yer allupurinol religiously.
>
> Here's a few facts. Gout is a build up of uric acid in the blood
> stream. When there is too much, it crystalizes and the crystals
> settle in the soft tissue of bone joints. It's like broken glass
> shards in yer flesh and it hurts! Uric acid build up is caused by one
> of two things. Yer body is creating too much of it or yer body is not
> eliminating it quick enough. Uric acid is caused by converting the
> purines in yer food. All foods have 'em, some waaay more than others,
> so diet is important. It's genetic. Allupurinol helps yer body git
> rid of uric acid. Lastly, and most importantly, IMO, it takes weeks
> and months, not days, to get yer uric acid level down, so don't expect
> any short term solutions. Also, repeated attacks will break down and
> irreparably destroy joint tissue, so you want to knock gout down and
> keep it down.
>
> Colcry is a brand name for colchicine, which is good for knocking down
> a full blown attack of gout, but it's not a long term solution and the
> side effects can be brutal. I can't handle the drug for more than
> about 5 days. It's a temporary solution to a long term affliction,
> but it has its advantages. I still keep some in the house. There can
> be side effects to allupurinol, specially from over dosing. I
> suffered sore and achy muscles, for months. This no doubt due to
> taking initial doses of up to 1000mgs per day. When I got down to
> 300mgs, the side effects disappeared. The doctor claimed he'd never
> heard of such side effects. Well, I had it, but perhaps that's jes
> me.
>
> The allupurinol will do the job you need and is relatively benign. At
> least I no longer fear it. I can now eat/drink anything I want,
> including anchovies, but I keep that to about once per year. Gout is
> no picnic, but it can be controlled and lived with. Basically, you
> jes gotta be smarter than the gout. Good luck.

Bob! That is the best explanation I've ever read! Thanks for going to all
that trouble.


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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:48:09 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:34:25 -0300, wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>> >>>> paid for it.
>> >>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>> >>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>> >>>
>> >>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
>> >>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
>> >>> considering.
>> >>
>> >>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
>> >>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
>> >>
>> >>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
>> >>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.
>> >
>> >Well that would point to a need the doctor has not fulfilled then - if
>> >such is the case.
>>
>> I think the best solution is not to rely on just the family medicine
>> doctor.
>
> Well, I hardly think it was the family doctor who performed a liver
>transplant or all the specialist follow-up consults.
>
> The post-transplant OP surely has follow-up contact with highly
>specialised doctors and they are the best place to direct questions
>about his post-transplant meds and side effects.
>
> Janet UK

I wasn't disagreeing with you or especially commenting on anything you
said. I was just giving my viewpoint on the advisability of relying
on one general doctor in this day and age. I didn't even have anyone
with a liver transplant in mind.
Janet US

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:47:13 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 10/31/13 8:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:00:27 -0400, Goomba >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who says he's had a liver transplant needs to refer his med
>>> questions to his doctor. Too many reasons why to bother listing.
>>>
>>> Goomba -a critical care nurse
>>
>> Yes, and then go another couple of steps There are many wonderful
>> people in the medical profession. Smart and caring as they are, they
>> don't know everything so it is good to do some research on your own. I
>> speak from first hand experience.
>
>Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>paid for it.
>Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.

One of the most valuable resources is people actually living with the
same condition you have. This is just one of many places to find
them. I'd not blindly accept what anyone says as absolute truth, but
it may lead to an avenue to travel to the cure or information that
does work for you. It is a tool that must be used with care.

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:



>
>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
>

The question asked had nothing to do with Livers, but had everything
to do with the performance of a drug and how it alleviated symptoms.
It was about chemical reaction if you go to the root of what was
asked. It could have been easily answered by a competent doctor,
pharmacist, or web page with the side effects of the particular
medication.

>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.

Could be.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...

> One of the most valuable resources is people actually living with the
> same condition you have. This is just one of many places to find
> them. I'd not blindly accept what anyone says as absolute truth, but
> it may lead to an avenue to travel to the cure or information that
> does work for you. It is a tool that must be used with care.


+1

Cheri

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>>> paid for it.
>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>>
>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
>> considering.
>
>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
>
The question has nothing to do with a liver transplant. I wanted to
know if Colcry makes everyone run to the bathroom and if running to
the bathroom may be a good way to reduce uric acid.

>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:59:33 -0400, "bhigh" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Metspitzer" wrote in message
.. .
>
>I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
>transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
>is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
>when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
>and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
>then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
>tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
>bathroom.
>
>The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>_________________________________________________ _____
>
>Define "go to the bathroom".

In a word.......diarrhea. I really didn't want to have to use that
word.

Metspitzer > wrote in
:

> I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
> transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
> is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
> when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
> and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
> then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
> tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
> bathroom.
>
> The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
> what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
> of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>

I've been taking allopurinal for gout for many decades. I started cutting
the 300 mg tablets into two 150s after a few years. For me, work just as
well. I take one a day. Never had gout pain return after starting the
allopurinol. Haven't changed my diet to avoid gout.

I've never purchased or taken Colcry.

I don't recall any urination increase from allopurinol. Now I do but it's
caused by my BPH.



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On 2013-10-31, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> One of the most valuable resources is people actually living with the
> same condition you have. This is just one of many places to find
> them. I'd not blindly accept what anyone says as absolute truth, but
> it may lead to an avenue to travel to the cure or information that
> does work for you. It is a tool that must be used with care.

Agree. Everyone reacts differently to different drugs, so my
experiences will most likely not be your experiences. Also, there are
a whole buncha docs that know spit about gout or they think it's jes a
minor affliction self-imposed by unthinking gluttons. Nothing could
be further from the truth. That's why you want a rheumatologist, an
arthritis specialist, as gout is actually a form of arthritis.

And no! All doctors are not gods. Want proof? Get gout!! You will
learn just how many really stupid doctors there are in the wild. Who
do you think put me in a ambulance and sent me 20 miles for a totally
unnecessary spinal tap. OTOH, a spinal tap hurts waaay less than a
full blown gout attack.

nb

"Metspitzer" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:59:33 -0400, "bhigh" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Metspitzer" wrote in message
.. .
>
>I have been prescribed Allopurinol for gout. Since I have had a liver
>transplant, I only take 200mg of Allopurinol where, I am told, 300mg
>is the standard amount. Anyway I am also prescribed Colcry to take
>when the gout pain comes on. I am supposed to stop the Allopurinol
>and take the Colcry. The instructions on the bottle say to take 1 and
>then another one every hour (up to 5) until the pain is relieved. I
>tried that last time I had a flare up and spend day and night in the
>bathroom.
>
>The doctor warned that the Colcry makes you go to the bathroom, but
>what I am wondering is that is the going to the bathroom a side effect
>of the meds or is that going to the bathroom what stops the gout pain.
>_________________________________________________ _____
>
>Define "go to the bathroom".

In a word.......diarrhea. I really didn't want to have to use that
word.
----------------------------------------------------------

That's ok. For all we know you could have meant simply walking to the
bathroom. :-)
I had a bout of gout this summer. I am not in any risk group, but was
partaking heartily of ales
porters, and stouts.
It was pretty painful, but no meds were needed, just stopping the beer and
drinking lots of water.

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:48:09 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:34:25 -0300, wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as you
>> >>>> paid for it.
>> >>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>> >>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>> >>>
>> >>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new to
>> >>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
>> >>> considering.
>> >>
>> >>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
>> >>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
>> >>
>> >>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as seeking
>> >>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.
>> >
>> >Well that would point to a need the doctor has not fulfilled then - if
>> >such is the case.
>>
>> I think the best solution is not to rely on just the family medicine
>> doctor.
>
> Well, I hardly think it was the family doctor who performed a liver
>transplant or all the specialist follow-up consults.
>
> The post-transplant OP surely has follow-up contact with highly
>specialised doctors and they are the best place to direct questions
>about his post-transplant meds and side effects.
>
> Janet UK

I know everything there is to know about liver:
http://www.recipegoldmine.com/worldg...schweiger.html
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/e...ipe/index.html
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/f...ipe/index.html
http://food52.com/recipes/21974-gril...n-sauce-mujdei

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:48:09 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>>
>>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:34:25 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:18:33 -0400, Goomba >
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On 10/31/13 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>> Getting medical advice on a cooking site is worth about as much as
>>> >>>> you
>>> >>>> paid for it.
>>> >>>> Nothing wrong with using established reputable resources online and
>>> >>>> doing your own research. RFC ain't necessarily one of them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> True but reading suggestions here might well point to something new
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> him that he can go and search out. Then he will know if it is worth
>>> >>> considering.
>>> >>
>>> >>How many others here have had a LIVER TRANSPLANT and can speak about
>>> >>gout meds and implications with any experience? Really???
>>> >>
>>> >>I see queries such as this, cat issues, all of Julie's posts as
>>> >>seeking
>>> >>attention more than actual seeking advice. YMMV.
>>> >
>>> >Well that would point to a need the doctor has not fulfilled then - if
>>> >such is the case.
>>>
>>> I think the best solution is not to rely on just the family medicine
>>> doctor.
>>
>> Well, I hardly think it was the family doctor who performed a liver
>>transplant or all the specialist follow-up consults.
>>
>> The post-transplant OP surely has follow-up contact with highly
>>specialised doctors and they are the best place to direct questions
>>about his post-transplant meds and side effects.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> I know everything there is to know about liver:
> http://www.recipegoldmine.com/worldg...schweiger.html
> http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/e...ipe/index.html
> http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/f...ipe/index.html
> http://food52.com/recipes/21974-gril...n-sauce-mujdei


lol

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