"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/3/2013 9:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I had a side by side. I hated it. It was just to awkward in dimensions
>>> for fitting in the things we needed it for. It is hard to get a decent
>>> sized frozen bird into it. My wife would love to have a fridge with
>>> the freezer on the bottom. Her mother had one and she liked it.
>>
>> I don't like all the bending, but then I'm no youngster either. It's not
>> easy on my back...so that's why for me.
>
> Would you be bending down more to get stuff out of the freezer or fruits
> and vegetables?


I don't store fruits in the fridge, and I use the fresh veggies as I buy
them.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:02:39 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >>
>>> > I think she has a side by side and they are horrible. My DD's "new"
>>> > house came with a side by side and the limited experience I've had
>>> > with it has convinced me that I will *never* recommend those things to
>>> > anyone.
>>>
>>> They are terrible, right up there with freezers on the bottom IMO.
>>>
>> I prefer my freezer on the bottom (absolutely hated every top freezer
>> I've ever had), but I don't have any physical issues to speak of - so
>> pulling out a drawer that has sliding and pull out baskets for easy
>> access works for me.
>
> People definitely have different preferences, so it's good that they come
> in different styles.
>
> Cheri

I was shocked to see that they had bottom fridges back in the 50's! I
thought they were a fairly new thing. Nope.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:26:53 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Used to buy the little containers until they switched to Sabra. I don't
> care what anyone here has to say about how good that is. We just don't like
> it.

I bought Sabra a month or so ago from Costco and knew you had said
something about it, couldn't remember if it was positive or negative.
Honestly, if you'd never mentioned the brand - I wouldn't have
recognized it.... but I liked it. I just noticed (this week) that
Safeway sells it too. No idea how long they've been selling it. I'm
usually the last one to notice things like that.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:26:53 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Used to buy the little containers until they switched to Sabra. I don't
>> care what anyone here has to say about how good that is. We just don't
>> like
>> it.
>
> I bought Sabra a month or so ago from Costco and knew you had said
> something about it, couldn't remember if it was positive or negative.
> Honestly, if you'd never mentioned the brand - I wouldn't have
> recognized it.... but I liked it. I just noticed (this week) that
> Safeway sells it too. No idea how long they've been selling it. I'm
> usually the last one to notice things like that.

It's sold everywhere. Am chatting with someone about it at the moment. We
think it's soybean oil that we don't like in it. But I can't swear to that
since I am not certain of the ingredients. They sell another brand. Can't
remember what it is but I like it much better.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/3/2013 4:08 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> They are terrible, right up there with freezers on the bottom IMO.
>>
>>
>> I had a side by side. I hated it. It was just to awkward in dimensions
>> for fitting in the things we needed it for. It is hard to get a decent
>> sized frozen bird into it. My wife would love to have a fridge with the
>> freezer on the bottom. Her mother had one and she liked it.
>>
>>
>
> We have a side by side. but we also have a full sized separate freezer.
> The s/s freezer is pretty useless aside from the icemaker and a few small
> items. The fridge side is at a good level though
>
> Our next fridge will be a French door bottom freezer with ice and water on
> the door. We only have 33" to fit a fridge and LG is the only brand with
> what features we want in that size. Yes, I'm planning ahead as our fridge
> is over 20 years old.

I'd not want ice and water. Would be afraid of it being unsanitary and have
seen those on many home shows. They seem to have a propensity to leak.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:20:20 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:08:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>I had a side by side. I hated it. It was just to awkward in dimensions
> >>for fitting in the things we needed it for. It is hard to get a decent
> >>sized frozen bird into it. My wife would love to have a fridge with the
> >>freezer on the bottom. Her mother had one and she liked it.
> >
> > Yup, not keen on the side by sides myself either.
>
> I was warned not to get one of those. Person said her parents got that kind
> and they strained their backs using it.

Did they ever need to get anything from the bottom part of their
refrigerator?

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On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:18:48 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I really love the looks of those fridges I've seen advertised that hold a
> large tray. That wouldn't work in my little kitchen though.

I entertained the thought of a French door refrigerator (bottom
freezer) until I found one that was narrow enough and short enough to
fit the space where a refrigerator fits at my house. Sadly, both door
need to swing wide for that to happen because of what's on the door
interiors. Since my refrigerator space is set back 20 inches to
accommodate a wide entry/exit to the kitchen, pulling the refrigerator
out enough so both doors swing wide open won't work for my situation.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:20:20 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:08:52 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I had a side by side. I hated it. It was just to awkward in dimensions
>> >>for fitting in the things we needed it for. It is hard to get a decent
>> >>sized frozen bird into it. My wife would love to have a fridge with
>> >>the
>> >>freezer on the bottom. Her mother had one and she liked it.
>> >
>> > Yup, not keen on the side by sides myself either.
>>
>> I was warned not to get one of those. Person said her parents got that
>> kind
>> and they strained their backs using it.
>
> Did they ever need to get anything from the bottom part of their
> refrigerator?

I use the bottom drawer of mine for things I don't use as often. Currently
extra things like cheese that I got on sale. Also keep lunch meat there.
Might use that every other day. Used to keep my insulin down there but now
that I am on the concentrate, I use a lot less and there is only the one
vial. I also only keep one box of pens. Not 130.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:18:48 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I really love the looks of those fridges I've seen advertised that hold a
>> large tray. That wouldn't work in my little kitchen though.
>
> I entertained the thought of a French door refrigerator (bottom
> freezer) until I found one that was narrow enough and short enough to
> fit the space where a refrigerator fits at my house. Sadly, both door
> need to swing wide for that to happen because of what's on the door
> interiors. Since my refrigerator space is set back 20 inches to
> accommodate a wide entry/exit to the kitchen, pulling the refrigerator
> out enough so both doors swing wide open won't work for my situation.

Always something. More and more I am leaning towards what they did in the
old days. Big table in the middle for working on. And free standing pieces
rather than built ins. Would love to have a Hoosier cabinet. Dream on!

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:53:32 -0800, sf > wrote:
>

> >
> >Maybe now you can understand why I stepped in to organize the chaos.
>
> Guess so. That doesn't make sense. I can't imagine

You can't wrap your mind around it, that's okay. Just accept that
kind of disorganization exists in the real world.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:15:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:41:09 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:17:36 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> snip
> >> >
> >> >I know, but it makes 3 people doing things 3 different ways. I
> >> >suspect the cleaning lady's problem is that she didn't see any
> >> >organization either. Where do you put things back when they are in 6
> >> >different places? snip
> >> I don't understand the above. What sort of things are in 6 different
> >> places.
> >
> > Actually 6 types of cheese in 6 different places pretty much is the
> > way it was. They had a lot of cheeses and none were together.
> > Multiply that by whatever other item in multiples that you want to
> > name, made worse by not having them even in categories like: all
> > condiments in one place.
> >
> >> I guess you could mean sandwich meats and cheeses being
> >> scattered about.
> >
> > Sandwich meats were scattered all over the place too.
> >
> >> Sorry, I just can't imagine what this is like.
> >
> > Maybe now you can understand why I stepped in to organize the chaos.
>
> This is why I try to prepare all of the food here. There was a time when
> husband made his own sandwiches and hot dogs. I'd never know where I'd find
> the condiments and leftover meats and cheeses. Including being left out on
> the counter to rot.

Believe me, I am beginning to get it.

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On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:58:17 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> > Are you *sure* they appreciate it? No one is walking into my kitchen and
> > rearranging anything.
>
> I would flip out if that happened. And I have. Husband tried it a couple
> of times. He is of the mindset that nothing should sit on the counter.
> Well, he doesn't cook.

I made sure it was all right before I started because I would flip out
too if someone decided to reorganize my stuff without permission. My
stuff, my rules.

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On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:05:56 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:02:39 -0800, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> > I think she has a side by side and they are horrible. My DD's "new"
> >> > house came with a side by side and the limited experience I've had
> >> > with it has convinced me that I will *never* recommend those things to
> >> > anyone.
> >>
> >> They are terrible, right up there with freezers on the bottom IMO.
> >>
> > I prefer my freezer on the bottom (absolutely hated every top freezer
> > I've ever had), but I don't have any physical issues to speak of - so
> > pulling out a drawer that has sliding and pull out baskets for easy
> > access works for me.
>
> People definitely have different preferences, so it's good that they come in
> different styles.
>
You hit the nail on the proverbial head, Cheri!

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On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:40:35 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I was shocked to see that they had bottom fridges back in the 50's! I
> thought they were a fairly new thing. Nope.

I think the modern ones are fancier - aka: more easily accessible.

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On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:21:31 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I second the motion. Or another freezer?
>
> I could use it. Sad to say that the freezer is broken and I have no place
> for another one. Obviously was a bad idea to put it in the garage.

Why is it a bad idea to put a freezer in a garage where you live?

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:58:17 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> > Are you *sure* they appreciate it? No one is walking into my kitchen
>> > and
>> > rearranging anything.
>>
>> I would flip out if that happened. And I have. Husband tried it a
>> couple
>> of times. He is of the mindset that nothing should sit on the counter.
>> Well, he doesn't cook.
>
> I made sure it was all right before I started because I would flip out
> too if someone decided to reorganize my stuff without permission. My
> stuff, my rules.

Agreed. My mom who can be super controlling once said she was going to
"help" Angela clean her room. Nope. My mom began tossing stuff out that
she thought Angela shouldn't have any more. She allowed no say.

She and my dad also came over here to help when we moved in. She brought
all of her own cleaning supplies and demanded that I use those even though I
said that her stuff often caused me respiratory issues. My house. I should
be able to choose the cleaning supplies! She also kept pushing me to do
more than I was able. She still doesn't seem to believe that I am really
disabled even though she went to the Dr. with me a few times. Because of
this I was hyperventilating, coming close to passing out, overheating (it
was summer and super hot), blood sugar spiked and I had a nice little
Fibromyalgia flare. When she needed to stop and rest, that was fine. But
if I needed to stop and rest...well...I was just wrong about that and why
couldn't I see it?

I never invited my parents over often. They seemed far more well behaved
when we lived in another state. Not sure why. But when we are here? She
would slam into control mode and my dad would go into his fault finding
mode. So it made for a very unpleasant visit. I got to where I would have
them once a year at Christmas.

I would never go into another person's house and start making rules for how
they should live. I don't care who they are!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:40:35 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I was shocked to see that they had bottom fridges back in the 50's! I
>> thought they were a fairly new thing. Nope.
>
> I think the modern ones are fancier - aka: more easily accessible.

Yes, I'm sure. I remember our old fridge. The door weighed a ton!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:21:31 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I second the motion. Or another freezer?
>>
>> I could use it. Sad to say that the freezer is broken and I have no
>> place
>> for another one. Obviously was a bad idea to put it in the garage.
>
> Why is it a bad idea to put a freezer in a garage where you live?

It gets too cold in the winter. Somebody here explained that. Perhaps
Sheldon? Causes the condenser to work too hard. Last winter it began
growing an iceberg out the side of it. Ideally it should be placed in a
room that is around 70 degrees and no colder than 54. Can also not be
located near a baseboard heater. For that reason I could not put it in the
dining room either. That would be my only other option. Now if the garage
was heated, it would be fine. Mine isn't. My back house has heat but I am
not going to pay to heat a 400 sq. ft. building just to run a freezer.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 21:39:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> More and more I am leaning towards what they did in the
> old days. Big table in the middle for working on. And free standing pieces
> rather than built ins. Would love to have a Hoosier cabinet. Dream on!

Okay, I get it. A neighbor (who was an antique dealer) had a Hoosier
cabinet. I didn't understand her love for it other than pure
decoration, but to each her own.

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On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:36:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Our next fridge will be a French door bottom freezer with ice and water
> on the door. We only have 33" to fit a fridge and LG is the only brand
> with what features we want in that size. Yes, I'm planning ahead as our
> fridge is over 20 years old.

Make sure the door can swing wide all the way so you will be able to
use that drawer at the bottom of the Fridge. I'm so grateful the (30
inch) LG was set up the way it was in the showroom because it
immediately told me it wasn't anything I could use due to its
configuration and the physical confines of where it has to go in my
kitchen.

Yes, my dream was crushed and I won't get over it.

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On 11/4/2013 2:44 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:21:31 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> I second the motion. Or another freezer?
>>
>> I could use it. Sad to say that the freezer is broken and I have no place
>> for another one. Obviously was a bad idea to put it in the garage.
>
> Why is it a bad idea to put a freezer in a garage where you live?
>
I can't speak about Julie's part of the country. Lots of people will
tell you it's a bad idea to put a freezer in the garage. I've no idea
if it really *is* a bad idea.

My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still
working some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the
garage, that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the
garage. There's no where else to put it.

Jill

On 11/3/2013 9:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 11/3/2013 3:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't have a problem with a side by side. When my fridge/freezer dies
>> I have no idea what I'll get to replace it. For a while I thought I'd
>> get one with the freezer on the bottom. Then I started wondering, do I
>> really want to have to bend down every time I put something into or get
>> something out of the freezer? Hmmmm.
>
> There is a pretty good chance that you spend more time crouching down or
> bending over to get stuff out of the bottom of the fridge than you would
> getting stuff out of the freezer.
>
Not really. I don't crouch down for much of anything (except for
cleaning the bathrooms) LOL There are "vegetable crisper" drawers on
the bottom of the fridge but I rarely use them. I don't find myself
crouching.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/4/2013 2:44 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:21:31 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I second the motion. Or another freezer?
>>>
>>> I could use it. Sad to say that the freezer is broken and I have no
>>> place
>>> for another one. Obviously was a bad idea to put it in the garage.
>>
>> Why is it a bad idea to put a freezer in a garage where you live?
>>
> I can't speak about Julie's part of the country. Lots of people will tell
> you it's a bad idea to put a freezer in the garage. I've no idea if it
> really *is* a bad idea.
>
> My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
> into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still working
> some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the garage,
> that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the garage.
> There's no where else to put it.

It's a bad idea if your garage isn't heated and you live in an area where it
gets cold. I looked at various small ones to replace this one with and all
said *not* to put in an unheated garage. And yet that's what everyone does.

On 11/3/2013 7:17 PM, sf wrote:
> Because everything is thrown in there in a haphazard way and it's
> packed to the brim. What a mess! It reminds me of the running gag
> from Fibber McGee and Molly about their hall closet (which I think was
> borrowed later by the TV version of Amos and Andy) where the contents
> would come crashing down on the unlucky person who opened the door.
>> >
Yeah, even I've heard about 'Fibber McGee and Molly' on the radio. My
mom told me about it.

I've been catching episodes of 'The Jack Benny Program' and 'Burns and
Allen' lately. Antenna TV. If I was alive (probably not) I wasn't
watching television when these shows aired. It's a lot of fun being
able to see them now.

>> >Is your daughter's freezer filled with a bunch of ancient food?
> It can't be too old. They've only lived in that house for 3 or 4
> months, but the freezer is unorganized to the point that I suspect
> they only use what's on top or at the front.
>
> They appreciate my effort and that's what counts.
>
That's all that really matters. I'm sorry if I sounded snippy.

Jill

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 21:39:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> More and more I am leaning towards what they did in the
>> old days. Big table in the middle for working on. And free standing
>> pieces
>> rather than built ins. Would love to have a Hoosier cabinet. Dream on!
>
> Okay, I get it. A neighbor (who was an antique dealer) had a Hoosier
> cabinet. I didn't understand her love for it other than pure
> decoration, but to each her own.

A girl I went to school with had one. I didn't know what it was then. I
went home and described it to my mom and she wasn't familiar with it either.
Probably wouldn't be of much use to me now since I don't bake a lot but back
when I did, it would have been great!

Perhaps an even better idea would be to have built ins on one side, perhaps
where the sink is, then free standing on the other. That way you could have
the liberty of moving your appliances around.

One of my friends rented a tiny apartment with his brother in Seattle back
in the late 70's, early 80's. The only counter and cupboards they had was
not actually *in* the kitchen but alongside it. They collected Fiesta ware
and that was showcased in the upper cupboards which had glass panes in them.

The kitchen itself was just a stove, refrigerator and a huge, deep, utility
type sink.

There was no real dining room or proper living room either. There was a
built in bench with cushion by the one window. They had a few dining type
chairs between that and the kitchen and some kind of a really tiny table.
Would perhaps seat two. I doubt that they did much cooking there. The
brother worked at a variety of restaurants in those days and eventually
opened his own club. So he probably brought food home from work.

On 11/4/2013 7:34 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0700, Janet Bostwick
>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:53:32 -0800, > wrote:
>>> Maybe now you can understand why I stepped in to organize the chaos.
>>
>> Guess so. That doesn't make sense. I can't imagine
>
> You can't wrap your mind around it, that's okay. Just accept that
> kind of disorganization exists in the real world.
>
A family member who shall remain un-named, also 'organises' things that
way. I keep pointing out that 'like with like' makes a lot more sense,
if you actually want to find something later.

It's a losing battle.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:02:39 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >>
>>> > I think she has a side by side and they are horrible. My DD's "new"
>>> > house came with a side by side and the limited experience I've had
>>> > with it has convinced me that I will *never* recommend those things to
>>> > anyone.
>>>
>>> They are terrible, right up there with freezers on the bottom IMO.
>>>
>> I prefer my freezer on the bottom (absolutely hated every top freezer
>> I've ever had), but I don't have any physical issues to speak of - so
>> pulling out a drawer that has sliding and pull out baskets for easy
>> access works for me.
>
> People definitely have different preferences, so it's good that they come
> in different styles.

I have a big chest freezer and although it isn't organised perfectly I do
know where everything is
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"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/4/2013 7:34 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0700, Janet Bostwick
>>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:53:32 -0800, > wrote:
>>>> Maybe now you can understand why I stepped in to organize the chaos.
>>>
>>> Guess so. That doesn't make sense. I can't imagine
>>
>> You can't wrap your mind around it, that's okay. Just accept that
>> kind of disorganization exists in the real world.
>>
> A family member who shall remain un-named, also 'organises' things that
> way. I keep pointing out that 'like with like' makes a lot more sense, if
> you actually want to find something later.
>
> It's a losing battle.

Are they trying to change your system?

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On 2013-11-04 6:14 AM, S Viemeister wrote:

>>
> A family member who shall remain un-named, also 'organises' things that
> way. I keep pointing out that 'like with like' makes a lot more sense,
> if you actually want to find something later.
>
> It's a losing battle.

I had a co-worker who was very well organized and was known to comment
on my lack of organization. He spent a lot more time organizing that I
did looking for things.

My wife's sister once kindly offered to dog and house sit for us while
we were on vacation. While we were away she organized my herbs and
spices for me. She had sorted them alphabetically, starting with the
beginning letters of the alphabet on the lowest shelf. I had them
organized based on the frequency of use. I don't need allspice readily
available. I only use it once a year.

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:37:44 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>I can't speak about Julie's part of the country. Lots of people will
>tell you it's a bad idea to put a freezer in the garage. I've no idea
>if it really *is* a bad idea.
>
>My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
>into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still
>working some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the
>garage, that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the
>garage. There's no where else to put it.

My husband fixed up my back room into a nice laundry room a couple of
years ago, insulated it and added a heat source, and now my new
upright freezer is in there.

But I kept my big old chest freezer in the barn for about 10 years. I
don't have a basement - just a damp cellar with a trap door down to it
- and my kitchen doesn't have a place for a chest freezer.

It gets cold here in Eastern Ontario. My freezer wasn't bothered by
it.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:37:44 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>I can't speak about Julie's part of the country. Lots of people will
>>tell you it's a bad idea to put a freezer in the garage. I've no idea
>>if it really *is* a bad idea.
>>
>>My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
>>into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still
>>working some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the
>>garage, that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the
>>garage. There's no where else to put it.
>
> My husband fixed up my back room into a nice laundry room a couple of
> years ago, insulated it and added a heat source, and now my new
> upright freezer is in there.
>
> But I kept my big old chest freezer in the barn for about 10 years. I
> don't have a basement - just a damp cellar with a trap door down to it
> - and my kitchen doesn't have a place for a chest freezer.

Nor does mine. DH converted an unused bedroom into a store and mine lives
in there. I have a new one coming on Wednesday. I wee bit smaller than my
current one, but only because I couldn't find another as big.

> It gets cold here in Eastern Ontario. My freezer wasn't bothered by
> it.

You are very lucky. I've heard of freezers outside that got damaged by
severe cold.
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:37:44 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

snip
>
>My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
>into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still
>working some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the
>garage, that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the
>garage. There's no where else to put it.
>
>Jill

My 23 ft. chest freezer was put in an unheated outdoor shed in 1963..
It endures temps below zero and above 100. It still works fine. It's
a Sears.
Janet US

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:23:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 11/3/2013 7:31 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>ou
>> (sorry to piggyback, Sheldon)
>>
>> Woooh, man! I couldn't snip a bit of that whine. Who the hell has that
>> much stuff in their refrigerator?
>>
>>> If your fridge is packed as full as your posts are verbose then you
>>> need a second fridge, a huge one!
>>
>> I second the motion. Or another freezer?
>> our cas
>
>Be careful what you say about Julie. Her posse will get on your case.
>The lonesome losers feel an infinity for her personal issues.
-----------------------affinity?

On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 00:08:20 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:21:31 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > I second the motion. Or another freezer?
> >>
> >> I could use it. Sad to say that the freezer is broken and I have no
> >> place
> >> for another one. Obviously was a bad idea to put it in the garage.
> >
> > Why is it a bad idea to put a freezer in a garage where you live?
>
> It gets too cold in the winter. Somebody here explained that. Perhaps
> Sheldon? Causes the condenser to work too hard. Last winter it began
> growing an iceberg out the side of it. Ideally it should be placed in a
> room that is around 70 degrees and no colder than 54. Can also not be
> located near a baseboard heater. For that reason I could not put it in the
> dining room either. That would be my only other option. Now if the garage
> was heated, it would be fine. Mine isn't. My back house has heat but I am
> not going to pay to heat a 400 sq. ft. building just to run a freezer.

Oh, okay. It gets cool, but not freezing cold where I live and I
wouldn't think twice about putting a freezer in the garage. I
wouldn't pay to heat a building either, but my house is rarely 65 and
never 70. As much as I like being warm, 70° is too hot for me.

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>> > On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:41:09 -0700, Janet Bostwick

>> This is why I try to prepare all of the food here. There was a time when
>> husband made his own sandwiches and hot dogs. I'd never know where I'd
>> find
>> the condiments and leftover meats and cheeses. Including being left out
>> on
>> the counter to rot.

Did you ever think maybe he planned it that way? LOL

Cheri

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/4/2013 2:44 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:21:31 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I second the motion. Or another freezer?
>>>>
>>>> I could use it. Sad to say that the freezer is broken and I have no
>>>> place
>>>> for another one. Obviously was a bad idea to put it in the garage.
>>>
>>> Why is it a bad idea to put a freezer in a garage where you live?
>>>
>> I can't speak about Julie's part of the country. Lots of people will
>> tell you it's a bad idea to put a freezer in the garage. I've no idea if
>> it really *is* a bad idea.
>>
>> My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
>> into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still
>> working some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the
>> garage, that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the
>> garage. There's no where else to put it.
>
> It's a bad idea if your garage isn't heated and you live in an area where
> it gets cold. I looked at various small ones to replace this one with and
> all said *not* to put in an unheated garage. And yet that's what everyone
> does.


Or really hot in the summer. Costs a lot to operate.

Cheri

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:37:44 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> snip
>>
>>My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
>>into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still
>>working some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the
>>garage, that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the
>>garage. There's no where else to put it.
>>
>>Jill
>
> My 23 ft. chest freezer was put in an unheated outdoor shed in 1963..
> It endures temps below zero and above 100. It still works fine. It's
> a Sears.
> Janet US


Here, the utility doesn't recommend it due to the cost to run it, not
because the unit might be damaged.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/3/2013 9:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 11/3/2013 3:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't have a problem with a side by side. When my fridge/freezer dies
>>> I have no idea what I'll get to replace it. For a while I thought I'd
>>> get one with the freezer on the bottom. Then I started wondering, do I
>>> really want to have to bend down every time I put something into or get
>>> something out of the freezer? Hmmmm.
>>
>> There is a pretty good chance that you spend more time crouching down or
>> bending over to get stuff out of the bottom of the fridge than you would
>> getting stuff out of the freezer.
>>
> Not really. I don't crouch down for much of anything (except for cleaning
> the bathrooms) LOL There are "vegetable crisper" drawers on the bottom of
> the fridge but I rarely use them. I don't find myself crouching.
>
> Jill


Me either.

Cheri

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:23:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 11/3/2013 7:31 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>ou
>>> (sorry to piggyback, Sheldon)
>>>
>>> Woooh, man! I couldn't snip a bit of that whine. Who the hell has that
>>> much stuff in their refrigerator?
>>>
>>>> If your fridge is packed as full as your posts are verbose then you
>>>> need a second fridge, a huge one!
>>>
>>> I second the motion. Or another freezer?
>>> our cas
>>
>>Be careful what you say about Julie. Her posse will get on your case.
>>The lonesome losers feel an infinity for her personal issues.
> -----------------------affinity?

rofl

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On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 09:12:27 -0500, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:37:44 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>I can't speak about Julie's part of the country. Lots of people will
>>tell you it's a bad idea to put a freezer in the garage. I've no idea
>>if it really *is* a bad idea.
>>
>>My parents had a freezer in the garage. They bought it when they moved
>>into the house in 1987. (I ran across the receipt.) It was still
>>working some 22 years later. For something that shouldn't be put in the
>>garage, that's a lotta years. The smaller freezer I have is in the
>>garage. There's no where else to put it.
>
>My husband fixed up my back room into a nice laundry room a couple of
>years ago, insulated it and added a heat source, and now my new
>upright freezer is in there.
>
>But I kept my big old chest freezer in the barn for about 10 years. I
>don't have a basement - just a damp cellar with a trap door down to it
>- and my kitchen doesn't have a place for a chest freezer.
>
>It gets cold here in Eastern Ontario. My freezer wasn't bothered by
>it.
>
>Doris

Outdoors in Ontario your freezer didn't come on during winter... but
during the periods of transitional temperatures the above freezing
temperatures will thicken the unit's oil and shorten its life. So far
you've been lucky.
http://www.geappliances.com/search/f...e/10000320.htm