"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:00:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:52:41 -0500, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, at one place where I worked there used to be a problem
>>> with people stealing other people's lunches.
>>
>>I don't understand that kind of mentality.
>
>
> Depends. In an office with people getting a decent pay, hard to
> understand.
>
> In a shop that has a lot of minimum wage temps, part timers getting
> only a few hours, some of these people are desperate and have not
> eaten in a day or so. Your diet Coke may be the only food they get
> that day. Happens more than you think.


Diet Coke won't do anybody much good, and it's theft no matter how you look
at it. A thief is a thief.

Cheri

On 11/10/2013 2:17 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 13:10:08 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Then again, a couple of people who worked in this fairly ritzy office
>> were fired for using the company credit card to purchase personal items
>> and pad their expense reports. You never really know who you're working
>> with. Both of those people were young and stupid. Out of a job with
>> full benefits, facing criminal prosecution. Stupid stupid stupid.
>
> Isn't the outgoing governor of Virginia accused of doing virtually the
> same thing?
>
I don't know about Virginia, but the former governor of South Carolina
was taking trips on the state dime to Argentina to visit his mistress.

I sure didn't expect it from a couple of seemingly nice co-workers. One
guy practically furnished his apartment using the company credit card.
Business travel was a part of his job. But did he really think the
accounting department wouldn't look at the expense reports he submitted?
Stupid young guy with eyes too big for his stomach. Rather than do
the work he decided to steal from the company. Such a shame.

Jill

On 11/10/2013 1:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:00:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:52:41 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, at one place where I worked there used to be a problem
>>>>> with people stealing other people's lunches.
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand that kind of mentality.
>>>
>>>
>>> Depends. In an office with people getting a decent pay, hard to
>>> understand.
>>>
>> I doubt anyone working where I did was that hard up. Someone pointed
>> fingers at the cleaning crew. But unless you left your lunch in the
>> fridge overnight, they wouldn't have access.
>>
>> There was *that* problem, too. People would bring stuff and it would sit
>> in the refrigerator for a week. They instituted a Friday Fridge
>> Cleanout.
>> We don't care if it's your good Tupperware, get it out of the fridge or
>> lose it.
>>
>>> In a shop that has a lot of minimum wage temps, part timers getting
>>> only a few hours, some of these people are desperate and have not
>>> eaten in a day or so. Your diet Coke may be the only food they get
>>> that day. Happens more than you think.
>>>
>> I've worked a few minimum wage jobs in my life. Even then I wouldn't
>> steal someone's lunch. Or soda (if I drank soda).
>
> I once worked where there was a good kitchen with a largish fridge. One
> day
> I picked up some milk for home and put it the fridge in its shop carrier
> bag. When I went back half of it was gone. I was very angry. Stuff had
> gone missing but no one had ever messed with stuff still in the bag! I
> shouted around a bit and one woman was outraged for me and put a notice on
> the fridge warning everyone off. It turned out SHE was the miscreant!!
>
> Hypocrites R Us or what??
>
>
That sounds a bit like when I came out of a store and found the side of
my car bashed in. I was furious. I yelled, "Who the F*** hit my car?!"
A little old lady toddled back towards me from the store entrance.
"It wasn't me!" The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Jill

W wrote:
>
> The latest and best science is now suggesting that it is sugar - and high
> insulin triggered by sugar - that is responsible for weight gain and a whole
> host of metabolic diseases such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease, premature
> aging, etc. See the 60 minutes special this year on Sugar, in which some
> of those studies are highlighted.

I get my science from real scientific journals,
not 60 Minutes. There are few dietary causes of
disease that are as well-established as the link
between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular
disease. You have been hoodwinked by nutritional
charlatans.

Monounsaturated fats are the least harmful fats,
and saturated fats are the worst. Among saturated
fats, coconut oil is the worst -- even worse than
beef fat and lard.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/10/2013 1:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 11/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:00:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:52:41 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, at one place where I worked there used to be a problem
>>>>>> with people stealing other people's lunches.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand that kind of mentality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Depends. In an office with people getting a decent pay, hard to
>>>> understand.
>>>>
>>> I doubt anyone working where I did was that hard up. Someone pointed
>>> fingers at the cleaning crew. But unless you left your lunch in the
>>> fridge overnight, they wouldn't have access.
>>>
>>> There was *that* problem, too. People would bring stuff and it would
>>> sit
>>> in the refrigerator for a week. They instituted a Friday Fridge
>>> Cleanout.
>>> We don't care if it's your good Tupperware, get it out of the fridge or
>>> lose it.
>>>
>>>> In a shop that has a lot of minimum wage temps, part timers getting
>>>> only a few hours, some of these people are desperate and have not
>>>> eaten in a day or so. Your diet Coke may be the only food they get
>>>> that day. Happens more than you think.
>>>>
>>> I've worked a few minimum wage jobs in my life. Even then I wouldn't
>>> steal someone's lunch. Or soda (if I drank soda).
>>
>> I once worked where there was a good kitchen with a largish fridge. One
>> day
>> I picked up some milk for home and put it the fridge in its shop carrier
>> bag. When I went back half of it was gone. I was very angry. Stuff had
>> gone missing but no one had ever messed with stuff still in the bag! I
>> shouted around a bit and one woman was outraged for me and put a notice
>> on
>> the fridge warning everyone off. It turned out SHE was the miscreant!!
>>
>> Hypocrites R Us or what??
>>
>>
> That sounds a bit like when I came out of a store and found the side of my
> car bashed in. I was furious. I yelled, "Who the F*** hit my car?!" A
> little old lady toddled back towards me from the store entrance. "It
> wasn't me!" The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Hmm at least is shows she probably had a guilty conscience Did anyone
see who did it?


--
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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> W wrote:
> >
> > The latest and best science is now suggesting that it is sugar - and
high
> > insulin triggered by sugar - that is responsible for weight gain and a
whole
> > host of metabolic diseases such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease,
premature
> > aging, etc. See the 60 minutes special this year on Sugar, in which
some
> > of those studies are highlighted.
>
> I get my science from real scientific journals,
> not 60 Minutes. There are few dietary causes of
> disease that are as well-established as the link
> between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular
> disease. You have been hoodwinked by nutritional
> charlatans.

If you had bothered to listen to the 60 minutes interview instead of making
up facts without reviewing the evidence, you would have seen that the study
I am referring to is by a clinical researcher at a major university
hospital. Her name and hospital are given in the interviews with her, and
you could use that to access information about the actual research online.


> Monounsaturated fats are the least harmful fats,
> and saturated fats are the worst. Among saturated
> fats, coconut oil is the worst -- even worse than
> beef fat and lard.

That's not the current thinking in the best, recent nutritional research I
have seen. The incorrect conclusion that saturated fats are evil is drawn
from 50 years of defective scientific research that measured effects of
increasing saturated fat without controlling for sugar intake.

In any case, this is a cooking forum and not a nutrition forum. Let's agree
to disagree and move on.

--
W

On 11/10/2013 6:19 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/10/2013 1:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 11/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:00:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:52:41 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, at one place where I worked there used to be a problem
>>>>>>> with people stealing other people's lunches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand that kind of mentality.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends. In an office with people getting a decent pay, hard to
>>>>> understand.
>>>>>
>>>> I doubt anyone working where I did was that hard up. Someone pointed
>>>> fingers at the cleaning crew. But unless you left your lunch in the
>>>> fridge overnight, they wouldn't have access.
>>>>
>>>> There was *that* problem, too. People would bring stuff and it would
>>>> sit
>>>> in the refrigerator for a week. They instituted a Friday Fridge
>>>> Cleanout.
>>>> We don't care if it's your good Tupperware, get it out of the fridge or
>>>> lose it.
>>>>
>>>>> In a shop that has a lot of minimum wage temps, part timers getting
>>>>> only a few hours, some of these people are desperate and have not
>>>>> eaten in a day or so. Your diet Coke may be the only food they get
>>>>> that day. Happens more than you think.
>>>>>
>>>> I've worked a few minimum wage jobs in my life. Even then I wouldn't
>>>> steal someone's lunch. Or soda (if I drank soda).
>>>
>>> I once worked where there was a good kitchen with a largish fridge. One
>>> day
>>> I picked up some milk for home and put it the fridge in its shop carrier
>>> bag. When I went back half of it was gone. I was very angry. Stuff
>>> had
>>> gone missing but no one had ever messed with stuff still in the bag! I
>>> shouted around a bit and one woman was outraged for me and put a notice
>>> on
>>> the fridge warning everyone off. It turned out SHE was the miscreant!!
>>>
>>> Hypocrites R Us or what??
>>>
>>>
>> That sounds a bit like when I came out of a store and found the side
>> of my
>> car bashed in. I was furious. I yelled, "Who the F*** hit my car?!" A
>> little old lady toddled back towards me from the store entrance. "It
>> wasn't me!" The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
>
> Hmm at least is shows she probably had a guilty conscience Did anyone
> see who did it?
>
>
No. No witnesses, no security cameras. There never are when you need one.

Jill

W wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to listen to the 60 minutes interview instead of making
> up facts without reviewing the evidence, you would have seen that the study
> I am referring to is by a clinical researcher at a major university
> hospital. Her name and hospital are given in the interviews with her, and
> you could use that to access information about the actual research online.

In other words, you haven't seen this evidence
if it even exists at all, only the 60 Minutes piece.
I don't get my science from 60 Minutes.

> > Monounsaturated fats are the least harmful fats,
> > and saturated fats are the worst. Among saturated
> > fats, coconut oil is the worst -- even worse than
> > beef fat and lard.
>
> That's not the current thinking in the best, recent nutritional research I
> have seen. The incorrect conclusion that saturated fats are evil is drawn
> from 50 years of defective scientific research that measured effects of
> increasing saturated fat without controlling for sugar intake.

Baloney. Your only source of information are
nutritional charlatans pushing coconut oil.
The danger of saturated fats is well-established
by a large body of research. Numerous clinical
studies back this up (I already cited a few).
There are no clinical studies which support
the opposite case, and indeed it is not possible
there ever will be. You have been hoodwinked
by hucksters for coconut oil.

> In any case, this is a cooking forum and not a nutrition forum. Let's agree
> to disagree and move on.

I'm not going to agree that 2 + 2 = 5 is a valid
opinion. You can have an opinion about whether
Coca-Cola tastes good. You can't have an opinion
about a fact. Science has made reliable conclusions
about the link between saturated fat (especially
coconut oil) and cardiovascular disease. No amount
of hand-waving or blowing smoke will change that.
You are wrong, and you are a fool for persisting
in your wrong beliefs in the face of evidence.

On 11/10/2013 3:53 PM, Cheri wrote:

>
> Diet Coke won't do anybody much good, and it's theft no matter how you
> look at it. A thief is a thief.
>
> Cheri

Yes, a thief is still a thief, but if you've not worked in a couple of
weeks and have not eaten in over 24 hours and had to work for 8 hours,
you just might be tempted to steal a soda or an apple or half a sandwich.

You've never seen it up close or you'd not be so righteous. .

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/10/2013 6:19 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 11/10/2013 1:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 11/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:00:31 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:52:41 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, at one place where I worked there used to be a problem
>>>>>>>> with people stealing other people's lunches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand that kind of mentality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends. In an office with people getting a decent pay, hard to
>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt anyone working where I did was that hard up. Someone pointed
>>>>> fingers at the cleaning crew. But unless you left your lunch in the
>>>>> fridge overnight, they wouldn't have access.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was *that* problem, too. People would bring stuff and it would
>>>>> sit
>>>>> in the refrigerator for a week. They instituted a Friday Fridge
>>>>> Cleanout.
>>>>> We don't care if it's your good Tupperware, get it out of the fridge
>>>>> or
>>>>> lose it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In a shop that has a lot of minimum wage temps, part timers getting
>>>>>> only a few hours, some of these people are desperate and have not
>>>>>> eaten in a day or so. Your diet Coke may be the only food they get
>>>>>> that day. Happens more than you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've worked a few minimum wage jobs in my life. Even then I wouldn't
>>>>> steal someone's lunch. Or soda (if I drank soda).
>>>>
>>>> I once worked where there was a good kitchen with a largish fridge.
>>>> One
>>>> day
>>>> I picked up some milk for home and put it the fridge in its shop
>>>> carrier
>>>> bag. When I went back half of it was gone. I was very angry. Stuff
>>>> had
>>>> gone missing but no one had ever messed with stuff still in the bag! I
>>>> shouted around a bit and one woman was outraged for me and put a notice
>>>> on
>>>> the fridge warning everyone off. It turned out SHE was the
>>>> miscreant!!
>>>>
>>>> Hypocrites R Us or what??
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That sounds a bit like when I came out of a store and found the side
>>> of my
>>> car bashed in. I was furious. I yelled, "Who the F*** hit my car?!" A
>>> little old lady toddled back towards me from the store entrance. "It
>>> wasn't me!" The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
>>
>> Hmm at least is shows she probably had a guilty conscience Did anyone
>> see who did it?
>>
>>
> No. No witnesses, no security cameras. There never are when you need
> one.

Huh ain't that the truth

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"MotoFox" > wrote in message
...
> Quoth Ophelia~
>
>>> There's a certain political party over there whose name begins with R
>>> that uses the same tactic.
>>
>> Over where? If here you will have to tell me who it is, because I don't
>> know!
>
> Hint: it's that big landmass west of the Atlantic and south of the 49th
> parallel. ;o)
>
> --
> When I first got started, Usenet was still the dominant means of
> communication.
> The World Wide Web was in its infancy, Internet access ran ~$10/h,
> "broadband"
> meant 33.6 Kb/s, news was still commonly exchanged via UUCP ... and it was
> FUN.


Do I take it you think I am in USA???

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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:13:27 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote,
>Yes, a thief is still a thief, but if you've not worked in a couple of
>weeks and have not eaten in over 24 hours and had to work for 8 hours,
>you just might be tempted to steal a soda or an apple or half a sandwich.

They were probably fired from a better job... for stealing.

On 11/10/2013 7:46 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:44:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> In an office with people getting a decent pay, hard to
>> understand.
>
> I'm talking about people in a well paid work environment, not working
> poor.
>

My wife complained about jokes and cartoons poking fun at *** folks
being posted on a bulletin board at work. Her boss took the board down
and her *** friend called her a "tattletale." This just goes to show you
that no good deed goes unpunished and the class of people that she works
with. Boy, working with other people is a tough gig! I just work with
myself these days and things go pretty smoothly.

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:07:27 -0800, "W" >
wrote:

>"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
>> W wrote:
>> >
>> > The latest and best science is now suggesting that it is sugar - and
>high
>> > insulin triggered by sugar - that is responsible for weight gain and a
>whole
>> > host of metabolic diseases such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease,
>premature
>> > aging, etc. See the 60 minutes special this year on Sugar, in which
>some
>> > of those studies are highlighted.
>>
>> I get my science from real scientific journals,
>> not 60 Minutes. There are few dietary causes of
>> disease that are as well-established as the link
>> between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular
>> disease. You have been hoodwinked by nutritional
>> charlatans.
>
>If you had bothered to listen to the 60 minutes interview instead of making
>up facts without reviewing the evidence, you would have seen that the study
>I am referring to is by a clinical researcher at a major university
>hospital. Her name and hospital are given in the interviews with her, and
>you could use that to access information about the actual research online.
>
>
>> Monounsaturated fats are the least harmful fats,
>> and saturated fats are the worst. Among saturated
>> fats, coconut oil is the worst -- even worse than
>> beef fat and lard.
>
>That's not the current thinking in the best, recent nutritional research I
>have seen. The incorrect conclusion that saturated fats are evil is drawn
>from 50 years of defective scientific research that measured effects of
>increasing saturated fat without controlling for sugar intake.
>
>In any case, this is a cooking forum and not a nutrition forum. Let's agree
>to disagree and move on.

I wouldn't bother wasting your time. When it finally becomes accepted
by so-called mainstream authorities such as the FDA, these people will
be... absolutely silent on the subject. You can count on that.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> I wouldn't bother wasting your time. When it finally becomes accepted
> by so-called mainstream authorities such as the FDA, these people will
> be... absolutely silent on the subject. You can count on that.

That will never happen. The notion that coconut oil
or other highly saturated fats are healthful is
pseudoscience. There have been many clinical studies
that show they are major risk factors for cardiovascular
disease and none showing any other conclusion.

On 11/11/2013 12:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 11/10/2013 7:46 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:44:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> In an office with people getting a decent pay, hard to
>>> understand.
>>
>> I'm talking about people in a well paid work environment, not working
>> poor.
>>
>
> My wife complained about jokes and cartoons poking fun at *** folks
> being posted on a bulletin board at work. Her boss took the board down
> and her *** friend called her a "tattletale." This just goes to show you
> that no good deed goes unpunished and the class of people that she works
> with. Boy, working with other people is a tough gig! I just work with
> myself these days and things go pretty smoothly.

I complained about a woman who sent daily prayers via company email and
held "bible readings" at her desk. Another guy in the department was
Muslim and she was constantly trying to debate the Bible vs. the Koran
with him. Lady, this is a place of business not a church. Peddle it on
your own time.

Jill

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:39:19 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

> "Jeßus" wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't bother wasting your time. When it finally becomes accepted
> > by so-called mainstream authorities such as the FDA, these people will
> > be... absolutely silent on the subject. You can count on that.
>
> That will never happen. The notion that coconut oil
> or other highly saturated fats are healthful is
> pseudoscience. There have been many clinical studies
> that show they are major risk factors for cardiovascular
> disease and none showing any other conclusion.

Thank you.

--
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"MotoFox" > wrote in message
...
> Quoth Ophelia~
>
>> Do I take it you think I am in USA???
>
> Don't know...only you can tell me that.

Actually no! A lot of people here could tell you that. You shouldn't
just assume when you are trying to sound clever because that one bounced.
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John J wrote:
>
> At this point in time, choosing between these two schools of medical
> science, is a matter of 50% gut feeling and 50% superstition. I'd
> still put my money on saturated=bad, but who knows what will be the
> accepted truth in 10 years?

This is a logical fallacy known as the
false dichotomy. It assumes that there
are two equally valid viewpoints. This is
commonly used in medical pseudoscience,
for example when people say that vaccines
cause autism. To many people, it seems
reasonable to think there are two sides
to this issue and some uncertainty over
which is right. These are people who
have only a superficial knowledge of the
subject, and who don't understand there's
only one side supported by reliable science.
The other side is only supported by highly
questionable (and outright fraudulent)
studies and promoted by hucksters who have
their own reasons for opposing evidence-
based medicine.

There are reliable studies going back at
least 60 years showing the bad effects of
a diet high in saturated fat. That kind of
evidence isn't going to be overturned in
10 years, and it's unlikely it will ever be
substantially changed. There may be some
refinement along the edges -- I wouldn't be
surprised if some adverse effects were found
with respect to extremely unsaturated fats
like safflower oil and flaxseed oil -- but
the basic theme of saturated = bad is not
going to change.