In article <IFukd.72800$HA.16605@attbi_s01>, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:
(snip)For her, coming late had nothing to do with actually being busy,
it was about getting the recognition for how hard she works from me
because she didn't feel like she was getting it anywhere else. (snip)
When I looked at her blankly, she spelled it out for me.
> --Lia

Careful with your insights, Lia -- Dr. Phil better be looking over his
shoulder.
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In article <IFukd.72800$HA.16605@attbi_s01>, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:
(snip)For her, coming late had nothing to do with actually being busy,
it was about getting the recognition for how hard she works from me
because she didn't feel like she was getting it anywhere else. (snip)
When I looked at her blankly, she spelled it out for me.
> --Lia

Careful with your insights, Lia -- Dr. Phil better be looking over his
shoulder.
--
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"Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power."
-Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> Careful with your insights, Lia -- Dr. Phil better be looking over his
> shoulder.


That's a compliment, right? One of the nicest I've received (I think).

--Lia

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:12:59 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>That doesn't really work well with a festive occasion. It is a shame to go to all the work to
>set a nice table and prepare a scrumptious looking roast with a fine presentation and then
>have to nuke it because on son and his family are always, always, always inexcusably late.

If your son and his family aren't the only guests, why wait? You know
they'll be late, because that's their MO - so don't try to change his
habits, change your own. QYB and eat. You can have dessert together,
if you don't insist on serving it as soon as your guests finish the
main meal.

OR you could plan to eat later.

Personally, we have relatives that are permanently off of and
invitation list that involves more than appetisers, because they
always called at the last minute to say someone was ill. It was the
old "my grandmother just died" ploy and there are only so many times
you can buy it. We finally made the decision that we didn't want to
deal with the aggravation of their last minute cancellations and what
amounted to over buying of food.

Sorry to piggyback on yours, Dawn's message isn't archived yet.
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:11:00 -0500, maxine in ri >
wrote:

>Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this
>being the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and
>divorces. I'm not much in the mood for celebrating.

Dawn

Dawn, find some "orphan" friends... I think you'll feel a lot better
with some company around. Even if you aren't in the best of moods,
reach out - you may surprise yourself and have a good time after all.

Sorry to piggyback on yours, Dawn's message isn't archived yet.
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:11:00 -0500, maxine in ri >
wrote:

>Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this
>being the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and
>divorces. I'm not much in the mood for celebrating.

Dawn

Dawn, find some "orphan" friends... I think you'll feel a lot better
with some company around. Even if you aren't in the best of moods,
reach out - you may surprise yourself and have a good time after all.

sf wrote:

> >That doesn't really work well with a festive occasion. It is a shame to go to all the work to
> >set a nice table and prepare a scrumptious looking roast with a fine presentation and then
> >have to nuke it because on son and his family are always, always, always inexcusably late.
>
> If your son and his family aren't the only guests, why wait?

It's not my son. It was their son, my (late) brother in law and his family.

> You know
> they'll be late, because that's their MO - so don't try to change his
> habits, change your own. QYB and eat. You can have dessert together,
> if you don't insist on serving it as soon as your guests finish the
> main meal.

It's not my call when the mother in law is hosting the family and doing the cooking.

> Personally, we have relatives that are permanently off of and
> invitation list that involves more than appetisers, because they
> always called at the last minute to say someone was ill. It was the
> old "my grandmother just died" ploy and there are only so many times
> you can buy it. We finally made the decision that we didn't want to
> deal with the aggravation of their last minute cancellations and what
> amounted to over buying of food.

That's a good way to deal with it. Now that the brother in law is gone we still have to deal with
his ex wife. We have had a number of pot luck gatherings. She is always late, and usually because
she gets drastically lost every time she comes here. When she finally shows up she has a huge
frozen lasagna. If she would bring something ready to go we could slap it on the table and get
going, but as it stands, when she finally arrives we now have another hour.

in article , sf at
wrote on 11/12/04 1:41 PM:

> Sorry to piggyback on yours, Dawn's message isn't archived yet.
> ```````````````````
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:11:00 -0500, maxine in ri >
> wrote:
>
>> Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this
>> being the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and
>> divorces. I'm not much in the mood for celebrating.
>
> Dawn
>
> Dawn, find some "orphan" friends... I think you'll feel a lot better
> with some company around. Even if you aren't in the best of moods,
> reach out - you may surprise yourself and have a good time after all.
>

Well, situational depression is a funny thing.

Well-meaning friends often suggest someone who is blue around the holidays
because they recently lost someone "reach out-you may surprise yourself and
have a good time". While that might make me feel better this year, for
example....last year, it just sounded like far too much effort. If it
sounds good to the person who is depressed, than it probably would make the
person feel better.

But sometimes the person who is depressed around the holidays b/c they are
missing people they have lost, for example, well, sometimes, what your
psyche needs is to MISS them. And in that case, sitting out the holiday and
dealing with the feeling of missing that person is what will actually help
you to feel better.

It all depends on where you are with the loss. Like I said, the first
thanksgiving without either parent, I was with friends. It was lovely,
really, and I enjoyed myself, but I was still very sad, profoundly missing
my own family. My friends were great, made me feel very welcome and tried
to take my mind off the fact that I was there for a very sad reason.

The second year, I received several invitations, and I declined all of them.
I just couldn't bear it. If I couldn't be with who I wanted to spend the
holiday with (which obviously, I couldn't), I rathered be alone, because in
my heart, anyone else was "second best".

I was incredibly sad going into the day, but once it got here, I made my
little half a turkey breast, my little casserole of dressing, etc. and I
realized, as I sat down to a home-cooked "Thanksgiving for one", that this
was exactly what I needed....to be by myself so I could spend Thanksgiving
really thinking about who I missed and actually deal with it.

This year, I'm really looking forward to spending the day with friends. I
know I will miss my family, and that's fine, I know how to deal with it now.

If Dawn is ready to reach out to others, she'll have a nice time. But if
she's not, inviting people over for dinner and having to cook a nice meal
for them might seem more effort than therapy and it might make her feel
worse.

Dawn (and anyone else in this situation) just has to do what feels right for
them at the time.

in article , sf at
wrote on 11/12/04 1:41 PM:

> Sorry to piggyback on yours, Dawn's message isn't archived yet.
> ```````````````````
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:11:00 -0500, maxine in ri >
> wrote:
>
>> Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this
>> being the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and
>> divorces. I'm not much in the mood for celebrating.
>
> Dawn
>
> Dawn, find some "orphan" friends... I think you'll feel a lot better
> with some company around. Even if you aren't in the best of moods,
> reach out - you may surprise yourself and have a good time after all.
>

Well, situational depression is a funny thing.

Well-meaning friends often suggest someone who is blue around the holidays
because they recently lost someone "reach out-you may surprise yourself and
have a good time". While that might make me feel better this year, for
example....last year, it just sounded like far too much effort. If it
sounds good to the person who is depressed, than it probably would make the
person feel better.

But sometimes the person who is depressed around the holidays b/c they are
missing people they have lost, for example, well, sometimes, what your
psyche needs is to MISS them. And in that case, sitting out the holiday and
dealing with the feeling of missing that person is what will actually help
you to feel better.

It all depends on where you are with the loss. Like I said, the first
thanksgiving without either parent, I was with friends. It was lovely,
really, and I enjoyed myself, but I was still very sad, profoundly missing
my own family. My friends were great, made me feel very welcome and tried
to take my mind off the fact that I was there for a very sad reason.

The second year, I received several invitations, and I declined all of them.
I just couldn't bear it. If I couldn't be with who I wanted to spend the
holiday with (which obviously, I couldn't), I rathered be alone, because in
my heart, anyone else was "second best".

I was incredibly sad going into the day, but once it got here, I made my
little half a turkey breast, my little casserole of dressing, etc. and I
realized, as I sat down to a home-cooked "Thanksgiving for one", that this
was exactly what I needed....to be by myself so I could spend Thanksgiving
really thinking about who I missed and actually deal with it.

This year, I'm really looking forward to spending the day with friends. I
know I will miss my family, and that's fine, I know how to deal with it now.

If Dawn is ready to reach out to others, she'll have a nice time. But if
she's not, inviting people over for dinner and having to cook a nice meal
for them might seem more effort than therapy and it might make her feel
worse.

Dawn (and anyone else in this situation) just has to do what feels right for
them at the time.

In article <8H5ld.89188$R05.9302@attbi_s53>, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > Careful with your insights, Lia -- Dr. Phil better be looking over his
> > shoulder.
>
>
> That's a compliment, right?

Yes'm.
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In article <8H5ld.89188$R05.9302@attbi_s53>, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > Careful with your insights, Lia -- Dr. Phil better be looking over his
> > shoulder.
>
>
> That's a compliment, right?

Yes'm.
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"Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power."
-Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn.

In article >,
(RMiller) wrote:

> Turkey stuffing with out onions is frightening to say the least. Here
> is a suggestion, make stuffing, take out a little bit BEFORE you put
> in the onions, that way if someone is allergic to onions they will
> not have to worry about them.


> Rosie

*Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the celery,
cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the bread and
seasonings to it. :-)
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In article >,
(RMiller) wrote:

> Turkey stuffing with out onions is frightening to say the least. Here
> is a suggestion, make stuffing, take out a little bit BEFORE you put
> in the onions, that way if someone is allergic to onions they will
> not have to worry about them.


> Rosie

*Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the celery,
cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the bread and
seasonings to it. :-)
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"Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power."
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >,
> (RMiller) wrote:
>
> > Turkey stuffing with out onions is frightening to say the least. Here=

> > is a suggestion, make stuffing, take out a little bit BEFORE you put=

> > in the onions, that way if someone is allergic to onions they will
> > not have to worry about them.
>
> > Rosie
>
> *Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the celery,
> cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the bread and
> seasonings to it. :-)

Same here. I saut=E9 onions and celery then toss in salt, pepper and herb=
s
(parsley, sage, rosemary, thyme,) until it smells really good. Then I add=
the
bread and adjust moisture.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:43:25 -0600, Melba's Jammin' <

>*Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the celery,
>cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the bread and
>seasonings to it. :-)

That's how I start out as well.

Christine

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:43:25 -0600, Melba's Jammin' <

>*Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the celery,
>cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the bread and
>seasonings to it. :-)

That's how I start out as well.

Christine

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:49:37 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Now that the brother in law is gone we still have to deal with
>his ex wife. We have had a number of pot luck gatherings. She is always late, and usually because
>she gets drastically lost every time she comes here. When she finally shows up she has a huge
>frozen lasagna. If she would bring something ready to go we could slap it on the table and get
>going, but as it stands, when she finally arrives we now have another hour.

This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
energy for things that really matter.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:49:37 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Now that the brother in law is gone we still have to deal with
>his ex wife. We have had a number of pot luck gatherings. She is always late, and usually because
>she gets drastically lost every time she comes here. When she finally shows up she has a huge
>frozen lasagna. If she would bring something ready to go we could slap it on the table and get
>going, but as it stands, when she finally arrives we now have another hour.

This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
energy for things that really matter.

sf wrote:

>
> This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
> lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
> dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
> course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
> energy for things that really matter.

Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and my own fear of what she
might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (RMiller) wrote:
> >
> > > Turkey stuffing with out onions is frightening to say the least. Here
> > > is a suggestion, make stuffing, take out a little bit BEFORE you put
> > > in the onions, that way if someone is allergic to onions they will
> > > not have to worry about them.
> >
> > > Rosie
> >
> > *Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the celery,
> > cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the bread and
> > seasonings to it. :-)
>
> Same here. I sauté onions and celery then toss in salt, pepper and herbs
> (parsley, sage, rosemary, thyme,) until it smells really good. Then I add the
> bread and adjust moisture.


But when do you add the sausage, mushrooms, and chopped apple???

;-)
gloria p

>Dave Smith writes:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>> This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
>> lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
>> dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
>> course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
>> energy for things that really matter.
>
>Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and
>my own fear of what she
>might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)

Sweet talk her. hehe


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>Dave Smith writes:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>> This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
>> lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
>> dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
>> course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
>> energy for things that really matter.
>
>Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and
>my own fear of what she
>might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)

Sweet talk her. hehe


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:35:21 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Funny how that works. It's like my vegan grand niece. We didn't know she was
>> vegan. He father forgot to bring her vegan side dishes for Christmas dinner.
>> My wife scoured the pantry for something anything that was free of animal
>> products, and that her picky appetite would consent to. A year and a half
>> later she was sitting across the table from me at a nice brunch buffet. What
>> an eye opener. I had never known that bacon, sausage, ham, smoked salmon,
>> shrimp and lobster were now part of the vegan diet.
>
>
>We call them ovo-lacto-pesce-pollo-carne vegetarians.
>
>--Lia

tee-hee.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:35:21 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Funny how that works. It's like my vegan grand niece. We didn't know she was
>> vegan. He father forgot to bring her vegan side dishes for Christmas dinner.
>> My wife scoured the pantry for something anything that was free of animal
>> products, and that her picky appetite would consent to. A year and a half
>> later she was sitting across the table from me at a nice brunch buffet. What
>> an eye opener. I had never known that bacon, sausage, ham, smoked salmon,
>> shrimp and lobster were now part of the vegan diet.
>
>
>We call them ovo-lacto-pesce-pollo-carne vegetarians.
>
>--Lia

tee-hee.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > (RMiller) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Turkey stuffing with out onions is frightening to say the
> > > > least. Here is a suggestion, make stuffing, take out a little
> > > > bit BEFORE you put in the onions, that way if someone is
> > > > allergic to onions they will not have to worry about them.
> > >
> > > > Rosie
> > >
> > > *Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the
> > > celery, cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the
> > > bread and seasonings to it. :-)
> >
> > Same here. I sauté onions and celery then toss in salt, pepper and
> > herbs (parsley, sage, rosemary, thyme,) until it smells really
> > good. Then I add the bread and adjust moisture.

> But when do you add the sausage, mushrooms, and chopped apple???
>
> ;-)
> gloria p

I might have to try a sausage thing sometime. If I were using it, I'd
still be adding the bread last, I think. When I make the little bit
with raisins for Rob, I throw the raisins in at the end; otherwise the
bread (and then liquid) are all added to 'the rest' of it. :-)
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In article >,
wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > (RMiller) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Turkey stuffing with out onions is frightening to say the
> > > > least. Here is a suggestion, make stuffing, take out a little
> > > > bit BEFORE you put in the onions, that way if someone is
> > > > allergic to onions they will not have to worry about them.
> > >
> > > > Rosie
> > >
> > > *Put in* the onions, Rose? I *start* with the onions (and the
> > > celery, cooked in some butter for a few minutes) then add the
> > > bread and seasonings to it. :-)
> >
> > Same here. I sauté onions and celery then toss in salt, pepper and
> > herbs (parsley, sage, rosemary, thyme,) until it smells really
> > good. Then I add the bread and adjust moisture.

> But when do you add the sausage, mushrooms, and chopped apple???
>
> ;-)
> gloria p

I might have to try a sausage thing sometime. If I were using it, I'd
still be adding the bread last, I think. When I make the little bit
with raisins for Rob, I throw the raisins in at the end; otherwise the
bread (and then liquid) are all added to 'the rest' of it. :-)
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"Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power."
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In article >, "Chloe"
> wrote:
(snip)
>
> In my social circles, for a major, non-casual dinner party guests
> likely still bring something like a bottle of wine, bunch of flowers,
> or small box of candy. I think this is considered in a different
> category

It's called a hostess gift. Even if the hostess is a guy, I think. :-)
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In article >, "Chloe"
> wrote:
(snip)
>
> In my social circles, for a major, non-casual dinner party guests
> likely still bring something like a bottle of wine, bunch of flowers,
> or small box of candy. I think this is considered in a different
> category

It's called a hostess gift. Even if the hostess is a guy, I think. :-)
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>From: Dave Smith
>Date: 11/13/04 4:12 PM Alaskan Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>sf wrote:
>
>>
>> This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
>> lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
>> dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
>> course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
>> energy for things that really matter.
>
>Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and
>my own fear of what she
>might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)

All sugars, or just refined sugars? How about having her bring a fruit tray
for an addition to the dessert table?

Alexis.

>From: Dave Smith
>Date: 11/13/04 4:12 PM Alaskan Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>sf wrote:
>
>>
>> This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
>> lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
>> dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
>> course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
>> energy for things that really matter.
>
>Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and
>my own fear of what she
>might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)

All sugars, or just refined sugars? How about having her bring a fruit tray
for an addition to the dessert table?

Alexis.

>From: Dave Smith
>Date: 11/13/04 4:12 PM Alaskan Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>sf wrote:
>
>>
>> This isn't making any sense. You know she's habitually late (she gets
>> lost so often you can count on it), so why don't you tell her to bring
>> dessert? Go ahead and eat, when she arrives you can have dessert. Of
>> course, hers won't be the ONLY dessert on the table... Save your
>> energy for things that really matter.
>
>Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and
>my own fear of what she
>might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)

All sugars, or just refined sugars? How about having her bring a fruit tray
for an addition to the dessert table?

Alexis.

>It's called a hostess gift. Even if the hostess is a guy, I think. :-)
>
>-Barb

For a guy it's a "host gift"... sounds odd to you because you're showing your
age (hehe)... from way, way back when virtually all affairs were hosted by
females.


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````````````

Alexis Siefert wrote:

>
> >Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and
> >my own fear of what she
> >might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)
>
> All sugars, or just refined sugars?

Primarily refined sugars. I think that we all know they are empty calories and
bad for weight and teeth, but she has stated repeatedly that they are poison.

> How about having her bring a fruit tray
> for an addition to the dessert table?

Good idea. I would prefer not to have her at all. He is the late brother in
law's ex wife. She has no family in the country other than her children and her
(ex) inlaws. She is wacko and hard to deal with, but she is the mother of our
niece and two nephews so we include her in family gatherings.

Alexis Siefert wrote:

>
> >Excellent idea. Now if I can just get past her resistance to do as asked and
> >my own fear of what she
> >might bring for dessert . She considers sugar to be poison. :-)
>
> All sugars, or just refined sugars?

Primarily refined sugars. I think that we all know they are empty calories and
bad for weight and teeth, but she has stated repeatedly that they are poison.

> How about having her bring a fruit tray
> for an addition to the dessert table?

Good idea. I would prefer not to have her at all. He is the late brother in
law's ex wife. She has no family in the country other than her children and her
(ex) inlaws. She is wacko and hard to deal with, but she is the mother of our
niece and two nephews so we include her in family gatherings.

we buy a turkey breast from a butcher in Manhattan, it's stuffed with
herbs and prosciutto then wrapped in bacon. I make the dressing on the
side, dried fruit, nuts (pecans or walnuts), etc. Sweet potato
casserole that I got out of Bon Appetit years ago, with orange juice,
and a pecan topping. Buttermilk mashed potatoes. Gravy. I like the
fresh cranberry sauce. Not sure about the veggies yet. I think I'll
make the sweet potato pie again this year, it's just so good. I like
drinking champagne with Thanksgiving dinner. Seems to fit everything.


My family used to use those brown and serve rolls every year too, I had
to laugh. In our house, though, they were more like burn and serve.

we buy a turkey breast from a butcher in Manhattan, it's stuffed with
herbs and prosciutto then wrapped in bacon. I make the dressing on the
side, dried fruit, nuts (pecans or walnuts), etc. Sweet potato
casserole that I got out of Bon Appetit years ago, with orange juice,
and a pecan topping. Buttermilk mashed potatoes. Gravy. I like the
fresh cranberry sauce. Not sure about the veggies yet. I think I'll
make the sweet potato pie again this year, it's just so good. I like
drinking champagne with Thanksgiving dinner. Seems to fit everything.


My family used to use those brown and serve rolls every year too, I had
to laugh. In our house, though, they were more like burn and serve.

"Marge" > wrote in news:1100461207.844439.104130
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> we buy a turkey breast from a butcher in Manhattan, it's stuffed with
> herbs and prosciutto then wrapped in bacon. I make the dressing on the
> side, dried fruit, nuts (pecans or walnuts), etc. Sweet potato
> casserole that I got out of Bon Appetit years ago, with orange juice,
> and a pecan topping. Buttermilk mashed potatoes. Gravy. I like the
> fresh cranberry sauce. Not sure about the veggies yet. I think I'll
> make the sweet potato pie again this year, it's just so good. I like
> drinking champagne with Thanksgiving dinner. Seems to fit everything.

Marge, what do you put in your buttermilk mashed potatoes? Do you just
substitute buttermilk for regular milk or cream?

TIA

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

If you use just buttermilk, it can get too sour and salty, imho. So,
we use a mix of buttermilk and whole milk. Try about 1/3 buttermilk to
2/3 whole milk. Then just salt, pepper and butter.

If you use just buttermilk, it can get too sour and salty, imho. So,
we use a mix of buttermilk and whole milk. Try about 1/3 buttermilk to
2/3 whole milk. Then just salt, pepper and butter.

"Marge" > wrote in news:1100462015.645464.129840
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> If you use just buttermilk, it can get too sour and salty, imho. So,
> we use a mix of buttermilk and whole milk. Try about 1/3 buttermilk to
> 2/3 whole milk. Then just salt, pepper and butter.

Thank you! I love buttermilk, so I'm sure we'll love the potatoes.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.