in article , Damsel in dis Dress
at wrote on 11/6/04 5:24 PM:

> On 06 Nov 2004 19:25:30 GMT, (SportKite1) wrote:
>
>> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this year?
>
> I asked Crash what he wanted.
>
> Turkey
> Gravy
> Mashed Potatoes
> Stuffing (James Beard's)
>
> Sounds like a plan to me. I get really overwhelmed doing the whole
> shebang, and this will make things much more manageable. It's always only
> the two of us, and we may as well just make the things we really like. A
> couple weeks ago, we spotted and bought a frozen pumpkin cheesecake. It's
> waiting for us in the freezer. I'd really like to make cranberry-orange
> sauce, but we're still undecided on that. Oh, and we'll get some <cringe>
> Brown and Serve rolls </cringe> for Crash. I'll be eating way too many
> carbs on that day, anyway. At least the rolls won't add to the list.
>
> Carol

Those rolls say "Thanksgiving" to me.
As a little girl, we always had those at Thanksgiving.
And then, we'd always have a nice elaborate meal on Christmas day, just
because Mom loved to cook and it was a convenient day to do that b/c no one
had to work that day. (We don't celebrate Christmas). Also, my parents got
married on Dec 24th, so it was a nice excuse for a big family meal. And
we'd have them on Dec 25th, too.

Anyway, brown and serve rolls are a must at Thanksgiving, for me.
They are kind of a joke, b/c they are so NOT elegant....yet they were only
served in our house at "fancy" meals. Maybe at one time, in the mid 1960's,
they were marketed as elegant? Is that possible?

When I got to be a teenager and my older sister had kids and they lived
nearby, we'd go there for Thanksgiving b/c the boys were less "fussy" in
their own space, and Mom and my sis would make Thanksgiving dinner. And we
always had those silly brown and serve rolls. It was tradition. Even,
perhaps especially, after Mom died, no matter what other bread was on the
table, we had to have those brown and serve rolls. One year I didn't serve
them, my best friend and her new husband were with us for the holiday and
they had brought this wonderful crusty bread from NYC, and my Dad really
enjoyed it. But he asked me "where are those little rolls your mother used
to make? I love those!" <shrug>

I think Thanksgiving is the one holiday that you don't mess with tradition.
And if, because you have "blended families" or whatever, you wind up with,
like on that episode of "Friends", 3 kinds of potatoes, so what?

I have no idea what will be served for Thanksgiving, as I'm going to my
friend's house and it will be whatever her Mom and she cook up. I offered
to bring either a side dish or a pie. Whichever I'm told to do, that's what
I will bring. I have never had Thanksgiving with them, only Christmas (ham)
and Easter (Lamb) but her mom is a wonderful cook and I have no doubt it
will all be delicious!

in article , Damsel in dis Dress
at wrote on 11/6/04 5:24 PM:

> On 06 Nov 2004 19:25:30 GMT, (SportKite1) wrote:
>
>> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this year?
>
> I asked Crash what he wanted.
>
> Turkey
> Gravy
> Mashed Potatoes
> Stuffing (James Beard's)
>
> Sounds like a plan to me. I get really overwhelmed doing the whole
> shebang, and this will make things much more manageable. It's always only
> the two of us, and we may as well just make the things we really like. A
> couple weeks ago, we spotted and bought a frozen pumpkin cheesecake. It's
> waiting for us in the freezer. I'd really like to make cranberry-orange
> sauce, but we're still undecided on that. Oh, and we'll get some <cringe>
> Brown and Serve rolls </cringe> for Crash. I'll be eating way too many
> carbs on that day, anyway. At least the rolls won't add to the list.
>
> Carol

Those rolls say "Thanksgiving" to me.
As a little girl, we always had those at Thanksgiving.
And then, we'd always have a nice elaborate meal on Christmas day, just
because Mom loved to cook and it was a convenient day to do that b/c no one
had to work that day. (We don't celebrate Christmas). Also, my parents got
married on Dec 24th, so it was a nice excuse for a big family meal. And
we'd have them on Dec 25th, too.

Anyway, brown and serve rolls are a must at Thanksgiving, for me.
They are kind of a joke, b/c they are so NOT elegant....yet they were only
served in our house at "fancy" meals. Maybe at one time, in the mid 1960's,
they were marketed as elegant? Is that possible?

When I got to be a teenager and my older sister had kids and they lived
nearby, we'd go there for Thanksgiving b/c the boys were less "fussy" in
their own space, and Mom and my sis would make Thanksgiving dinner. And we
always had those silly brown and serve rolls. It was tradition. Even,
perhaps especially, after Mom died, no matter what other bread was on the
table, we had to have those brown and serve rolls. One year I didn't serve
them, my best friend and her new husband were with us for the holiday and
they had brought this wonderful crusty bread from NYC, and my Dad really
enjoyed it. But he asked me "where are those little rolls your mother used
to make? I love those!" <shrug>

I think Thanksgiving is the one holiday that you don't mess with tradition.
And if, because you have "blended families" or whatever, you wind up with,
like on that episode of "Friends", 3 kinds of potatoes, so what?

I have no idea what will be served for Thanksgiving, as I'm going to my
friend's house and it will be whatever her Mom and she cook up. I offered
to bring either a side dish or a pie. Whichever I'm told to do, that's what
I will bring. I have never had Thanksgiving with them, only Christmas (ham)
and Easter (Lamb) but her mom is a wonderful cook and I have no doubt it
will all be delicious!

in article , Damsel in dis Dress
at wrote on 11/6/04 5:24 PM:

> On 06 Nov 2004 19:25:30 GMT, (SportKite1) wrote:
>
>> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this year?
>
> I asked Crash what he wanted.
>
> Turkey
> Gravy
> Mashed Potatoes
> Stuffing (James Beard's)
>
> Sounds like a plan to me. I get really overwhelmed doing the whole
> shebang, and this will make things much more manageable. It's always only
> the two of us, and we may as well just make the things we really like. A
> couple weeks ago, we spotted and bought a frozen pumpkin cheesecake. It's
> waiting for us in the freezer. I'd really like to make cranberry-orange
> sauce, but we're still undecided on that. Oh, and we'll get some <cringe>
> Brown and Serve rolls </cringe> for Crash. I'll be eating way too many
> carbs on that day, anyway. At least the rolls won't add to the list.
>
> Carol

Those rolls say "Thanksgiving" to me.
As a little girl, we always had those at Thanksgiving.
And then, we'd always have a nice elaborate meal on Christmas day, just
because Mom loved to cook and it was a convenient day to do that b/c no one
had to work that day. (We don't celebrate Christmas). Also, my parents got
married on Dec 24th, so it was a nice excuse for a big family meal. And
we'd have them on Dec 25th, too.

Anyway, brown and serve rolls are a must at Thanksgiving, for me.
They are kind of a joke, b/c they are so NOT elegant....yet they were only
served in our house at "fancy" meals. Maybe at one time, in the mid 1960's,
they were marketed as elegant? Is that possible?

When I got to be a teenager and my older sister had kids and they lived
nearby, we'd go there for Thanksgiving b/c the boys were less "fussy" in
their own space, and Mom and my sis would make Thanksgiving dinner. And we
always had those silly brown and serve rolls. It was tradition. Even,
perhaps especially, after Mom died, no matter what other bread was on the
table, we had to have those brown and serve rolls. One year I didn't serve
them, my best friend and her new husband were with us for the holiday and
they had brought this wonderful crusty bread from NYC, and my Dad really
enjoyed it. But he asked me "where are those little rolls your mother used
to make? I love those!" <shrug>

I think Thanksgiving is the one holiday that you don't mess with tradition.
And if, because you have "blended families" or whatever, you wind up with,
like on that episode of "Friends", 3 kinds of potatoes, so what?

I have no idea what will be served for Thanksgiving, as I'm going to my
friend's house and it will be whatever her Mom and she cook up. I offered
to bring either a side dish or a pie. Whichever I'm told to do, that's what
I will bring. I have never had Thanksgiving with them, only Christmas (ham)
and Easter (Lamb) but her mom is a wonderful cook and I have no doubt it
will all be delicious!

in article qJfjd.3223$rG2.2577@lakeread05, Mike Pearce at
wrote on 11/6/04 9:26 PM:

> I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to make this year. I was
> thinking about a suckling pig, but I'll probably go for a Turkey instead.
>
> Last year was the first time I'd prepared a Thanksgiving meal. I ended up
> with about a dozen people and it went very well. What I can recall that I
> made was:
>
> Turkey
> Dressing
> Green beans with pinenuts
> Mashed potatoes
> Corn relish
> Homemade cranberry sauce
> Dinner rolls.
> Vanilla chiffon roll (from Baking with Julia. It's excellent)
> Pecan Pie
> Apple Tart
>
> I know I had more stuff and a bunch of pre-meal munchies, but I can't recall
> exactly what right now.
>
> This year I'll probably stick with the turkey and dressing, but probably
> change up everything else. I'm almost certainly going to go with canned
> cranberry sauce. Last year I gave into peer pressure and made homemade
> cranberry sauce even though I like canned better. I'm going to be selfish
> this year. I'm thinking I may make some sort of collard greens dish, maybe
> some sweet potatoes, and maybe some turnip this year. Rather than dinner
> rolls my Grandmother used to server plain muffins on Thanksgiving. I've
> tried making those muffins a few times, but haven't been able to get them to
> taste how I remember her's tasting. If I can figure out those muffins
> they'll definitely be on the menu.
>
> About a half hour ago a pulled my first vinegar pie out of the oven. I won't
> try it until tomorrow, but if it passes muster I'll be having vinegar pie on
> Thanksgiving. If it tastes as good as it looks it will be on the menu.
>
> Last year I busted by butt to pull the meal together and was exhausted by
> the time my guest showed up. I'm going to simplify things this year and try
> to get as much done as possible in advance and spend most of my morning just
> being lazy.
>
> -Mike

I think you should make the turkey and cranberries, and have your guests
bring the side dishes and desserts. Why go through all that work?

Sox done good, huh?
:-)

Sheryl

in article qJfjd.3223$rG2.2577@lakeread05, Mike Pearce at
wrote on 11/6/04 9:26 PM:

> I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to make this year. I was
> thinking about a suckling pig, but I'll probably go for a Turkey instead.
>
> Last year was the first time I'd prepared a Thanksgiving meal. I ended up
> with about a dozen people and it went very well. What I can recall that I
> made was:
>
> Turkey
> Dressing
> Green beans with pinenuts
> Mashed potatoes
> Corn relish
> Homemade cranberry sauce
> Dinner rolls.
> Vanilla chiffon roll (from Baking with Julia. It's excellent)
> Pecan Pie
> Apple Tart
>
> I know I had more stuff and a bunch of pre-meal munchies, but I can't recall
> exactly what right now.
>
> This year I'll probably stick with the turkey and dressing, but probably
> change up everything else. I'm almost certainly going to go with canned
> cranberry sauce. Last year I gave into peer pressure and made homemade
> cranberry sauce even though I like canned better. I'm going to be selfish
> this year. I'm thinking I may make some sort of collard greens dish, maybe
> some sweet potatoes, and maybe some turnip this year. Rather than dinner
> rolls my Grandmother used to server plain muffins on Thanksgiving. I've
> tried making those muffins a few times, but haven't been able to get them to
> taste how I remember her's tasting. If I can figure out those muffins
> they'll definitely be on the menu.
>
> About a half hour ago a pulled my first vinegar pie out of the oven. I won't
> try it until tomorrow, but if it passes muster I'll be having vinegar pie on
> Thanksgiving. If it tastes as good as it looks it will be on the menu.
>
> Last year I busted by butt to pull the meal together and was exhausted by
> the time my guest showed up. I'm going to simplify things this year and try
> to get as much done as possible in advance and spend most of my morning just
> being lazy.
>
> -Mike

I think you should make the turkey and cranberries, and have your guests
bring the side dishes and desserts. Why go through all that work?

Sox done good, huh?
:-)

Sheryl

previously in rfc, (SportKite1) wrote:

> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this
> year?
>
> Ellen
>
>


I'm splitting the menu with my mom, and hosting at her house. There will
be about ten of us. She's doing a turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes and
applesauce.

I'm making a pot roast with potato, carrots and onions (my father in law
loves this), a big mixed salad, cranberry sauce, a pasta dish (baked ziti
or lasagna - haven't decided) and some sort of green vegetable, maybe green
bean casserole.

I'm making a lemon meringue pie and buying the rest of the desserts!

-Claudia

previously in rfc, (SportKite1) wrote:

> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this
> year?
>
> Ellen
>
>


I'm splitting the menu with my mom, and hosting at her house. There will
be about ten of us. She's doing a turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes and
applesauce.

I'm making a pot roast with potato, carrots and onions (my father in law
loves this), a big mixed salad, cranberry sauce, a pasta dish (baked ziti
or lasagna - haven't decided) and some sort of green vegetable, maybe green
bean casserole.

I'm making a lemon meringue pie and buying the rest of the desserts!

-Claudia

previously in rfc, (SportKite1) wrote:

> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this
> year?
>
> Ellen
>
>


I'm splitting the menu with my mom, and hosting at her house. There will
be about ten of us. She's doing a turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes and
applesauce.

I'm making a pot roast with potato, carrots and onions (my father in law
loves this), a big mixed salad, cranberry sauce, a pasta dish (baked ziti
or lasagna - haven't decided) and some sort of green vegetable, maybe green
bean casserole.

I'm making a lemon meringue pie and buying the rest of the desserts!

-Claudia

in article , Dawn at
wrote on 11/6/04 10:05 PM:

> SportKite1 wrote:
>> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this year?
>>
>
> We decided on turkey this year, and will get a ham for Christmas. My
> husband will brine and roast the bird as usual.
>
> I think I will do the cranberry fruit relish and the pumpkin pecan torta
> that we both like. Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this being
> the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and divorces. I'm
> not much in the mood for celebrating.
>
>
> Dawn

Why not invite some friends or neighbors over to join you and your husband?

I know about not feeling like celebrating, and for those same reasons, too.

Is there another couple or person you guys know who might be in the same
boat? Maybe you could invite them over to join you. Somehow, holidays feel
like there should be more people around the table than just who's there
every night, right? That's how I feel, anyway. That might make it seem
more festive to you.

Of course, the first year after my Dad died, I was with a wonderful family,
they welcomed me into their home for Thanksgiving with open arms and they
did everything they could to make me feel loved. And it almost worked. No
matter how nice my friends and her family were to me, they weren't who I
wanted to spend the holiday with. And it hurt. But not as badly as it would
have hurt had I not been with them, of course.

Don't despair. Maybe reaching out to someone else in the same situation will
help it feel more like a holiday.

in article , Dawn at
wrote on 11/6/04 10:05 PM:

> SportKite1 wrote:
>> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this year?
>>
>
> We decided on turkey this year, and will get a ham for Christmas. My
> husband will brine and roast the bird as usual.
>
> I think I will do the cranberry fruit relish and the pumpkin pecan torta
> that we both like. Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this being
> the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and divorces. I'm
> not much in the mood for celebrating.
>
>
> Dawn

Why not invite some friends or neighbors over to join you and your husband?

I know about not feeling like celebrating, and for those same reasons, too.

Is there another couple or person you guys know who might be in the same
boat? Maybe you could invite them over to join you. Somehow, holidays feel
like there should be more people around the table than just who's there
every night, right? That's how I feel, anyway. That might make it seem
more festive to you.

Of course, the first year after my Dad died, I was with a wonderful family,
they welcomed me into their home for Thanksgiving with open arms and they
did everything they could to make me feel loved. And it almost worked. No
matter how nice my friends and her family were to me, they weren't who I
wanted to spend the holiday with. And it hurt. But not as badly as it would
have hurt had I not been with them, of course.

Don't despair. Maybe reaching out to someone else in the same situation will
help it feel more like a holiday.

in article , CJB at wrote on
11/7/04 9:10 AM:

> previously in rfc, (SportKite1) wrote:
>
>> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this
>> year?
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm splitting the menu with my mom, and hosting at her house. There will
> be about ten of us. She's doing a turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes and
> applesauce.
>
> I'm making a pot roast with potato, carrots and onions (my father in law
> loves this), a big mixed salad, cranberry sauce, a pasta dish (baked ziti
> or lasagna - haven't decided) and some sort of green vegetable, maybe green
> bean casserole.
>
> I'm making a lemon meringue pie and buying the rest of the desserts!
>
> -Claudia

Ok. Now I know who you are!
I met you yesterday, didn't I? :-)
I mean, I liked you yesterday, and now I connect you to RFC.
Sheryl

in article , CJB at wrote on
11/7/04 9:10 AM:

> previously in rfc, (SportKite1) wrote:
>
>> For those who celebrate Thanksgiving - what do you plan to make this
>> year?
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm splitting the menu with my mom, and hosting at her house. There will
> be about ten of us. She's doing a turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes and
> applesauce.
>
> I'm making a pot roast with potato, carrots and onions (my father in law
> loves this), a big mixed salad, cranberry sauce, a pasta dish (baked ziti
> or lasagna - haven't decided) and some sort of green vegetable, maybe green
> bean casserole.
>
> I'm making a lemon meringue pie and buying the rest of the desserts!
>
> -Claudia

Ok. Now I know who you are!
I met you yesterday, didn't I? :-)
I mean, I liked you yesterday, and now I connect you to RFC.
Sheryl

Sheryl Rosen > wrote in
:

> I think you should make the turkey and cranberries, and have your guests
> bring the side dishes and desserts. Why go through all that work?
>
> Sox done good, huh?
>:-)
>
> Sheryl
>

I agree with Sheryl except I would say turkey, dressing and cranberries.
This allows you more free time to enjoy the day and the family/friends. Oh,
make some extra munchies if you want. The kind you can do a day or two in
advance. But let others make the sides and desserts. I always ask what I
should make if going elsewhere for TG and I feel better if I contribute to
the Feast.

--
Starchless in Manitoba.

Sheryl Rosen > wrote in
:

> I think you should make the turkey and cranberries, and have your guests
> bring the side dishes and desserts. Why go through all that work?
>
> Sox done good, huh?
>:-)
>
> Sheryl
>

I agree with Sheryl except I would say turkey, dressing and cranberries.
This allows you more free time to enjoy the day and the family/friends. Oh,
make some extra munchies if you want. The kind you can do a day or two in
advance. But let others make the sides and desserts. I always ask what I
should make if going elsewhere for TG and I feel better if I contribute to
the Feast.

--
Starchless in Manitoba.

Sheryl Rosen > wrote in
:

> I think you should make the turkey and cranberries, and have your guests
> bring the side dishes and desserts. Why go through all that work?
>
> Sox done good, huh?
>:-)
>
> Sheryl
>

I agree with Sheryl except I would say turkey, dressing and cranberries.
This allows you more free time to enjoy the day and the family/friends. Oh,
make some extra munchies if you want. The kind you can do a day or two in
advance. But let others make the sides and desserts. I always ask what I
should make if going elsewhere for TG and I feel better if I contribute to
the Feast.

--
Starchless in Manitoba.

"Sheryl Rosen" wrote in message
...
>Mike Pearce wrote:
>
>> Last year I busted by butt to pull the meal together and was exhausted by
>> the time my guest showed up. I'm going to simplify things this year and
>> try
>> to get as much done as possible in advance and spend most of my morning
>> just
>> being lazy.
>>
>> -Mike
>
> I think you should make the turkey and cranberries, and have your guests
> bring the side dishes and desserts. Why go through all that work?

Getting to cook the meal is half the fun of having Thanksgiving dinner at my
house. I don't want my guests to bring food or do any work at all.

Everyone coming over for Thanksgiving will be friends from the neighborhood.
At most neighborhood get togethers everyone brings a dish except when they
are at my house. I'm the rebel. I'm mostly cooking for one. I really look
forward to cooking for a group.

>
> Sox done good, huh?
> :-)

My Mom sent me an official WS champs t-shirt. I wore it yesterday.

-Mike

"Sheryl Rosen" wrote in message
...
>Mike Pearce wrote:
>
>> Last year I busted by butt to pull the meal together and was exhausted by
>> the time my guest showed up. I'm going to simplify things this year and
>> try
>> to get as much done as possible in advance and spend most of my morning
>> just
>> being lazy.
>>
>> -Mike
>
> I think you should make the turkey and cranberries, and have your guests
> bring the side dishes and desserts. Why go through all that work?

Getting to cook the meal is half the fun of having Thanksgiving dinner at my
house. I don't want my guests to bring food or do any work at all.

Everyone coming over for Thanksgiving will be friends from the neighborhood.
At most neighborhood get togethers everyone brings a dish except when they
are at my house. I'm the rebel. I'm mostly cooking for one. I really look
forward to cooking for a group.

>
> Sox done good, huh?
> :-)

My Mom sent me an official WS champs t-shirt. I wore it yesterday.

-Mike

"Hahabogus" wrote in message
...
>
> I agree with Sheryl except I would say turkey, dressing and cranberries.
> This allows you more free time to enjoy the day and the family/friends.
> Oh,
> make some extra munchies if you want. The kind you can do a day or two in
> advance. But let others make the sides and desserts. I always ask what I
> should make if going elsewhere for TG and I feel better if I contribute to
> the Feast.
>

Like I mentioned to Sheryl, I really enjoy cooking all the food myself. If
my guests really want to help out they can show up on time, or close to it.
I moved to New Orleans a couple of years ago. I don't know what it is about
this place, but everyone shows up late for gatherings. A good day is when
guests show up only a half hour late, more often they are an hour or more
late. That's fine if it's just hanging out but it makes it hard to time a
meal when you don't know when people are going to get there.Whenever I go to
someone's for a get together I'm just about always the first one there, even
if I purposely try to show up late.

-Mike

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> If we hadn't kept up the
> tradition, I think we'd have been the sadder for it.
>
Given how much we USians move about, I have never found it difficult to
find people far from family, esp. people who don't like to cook, who'd
love to come over for a feast. Now I have my hubby's family, but a few
years ago I did an all Indian meal for an old friend and a bunch of her
friends that I'd never met. It was lots of fun, and someone else's
kitchen got the whammy.
blacksalt

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> If we hadn't kept up the
> tradition, I think we'd have been the sadder for it.
>
Given how much we USians move about, I have never found it difficult to
find people far from family, esp. people who don't like to cook, who'd
love to come over for a feast. Now I have my hubby's family, but a few
years ago I did an all Indian meal for an old friend and a bunch of her
friends that I'd never met. It was lots of fun, and someone else's
kitchen got the whammy.
blacksalt

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:55:06 GMT, Sheryl Rosen
> wrote:

>in article , Damsel in dis Dress
>at wrote on 11/6/04 5:24 PM:
>> Oh, and we'll get some <cringe>
>> Brown and Serve rolls </cringe> for Crash. I'll be eating way too many
>> carbs on that day, anyway. At least the rolls won't add to the list.

>Those rolls say "Thanksgiving" to me.
>As a little girl, we always had those at Thanksgiving.

Those goofy little rolls taste like Thanksgiving to me, too. Isn't it
funny? Most of my Thanksgivings have been spent with my mother's side
of the family. I am talking about seven Southern sisters who make the
most delicious homemade biscuits and cornbread from scratch every day
of their lives. But on Thanksgiving, we have brown and serve rolls
because they are fancy.

I am on bedrest right now (pout, pout, pout), so I can't travel up to
be with my family. Here's what I'm missing:

relish tray
devilled eggs
turkey
ham
dressing
gravy
chicken and dumplings
macaroni and cheese
sweet potato casserole
potato salad
cole slaw
fruit salad
green beans
corn
rolls
cranberry sauce
pumpkin and pecan pie, usually coconut cake, other desserts

Tara

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:55:06 GMT, Sheryl Rosen
> wrote:

>in article , Damsel in dis Dress
>at wrote on 11/6/04 5:24 PM:
>> Oh, and we'll get some <cringe>
>> Brown and Serve rolls </cringe> for Crash. I'll be eating way too many
>> carbs on that day, anyway. At least the rolls won't add to the list.

>Those rolls say "Thanksgiving" to me.
>As a little girl, we always had those at Thanksgiving.

Those goofy little rolls taste like Thanksgiving to me, too. Isn't it
funny? Most of my Thanksgivings have been spent with my mother's side
of the family. I am talking about seven Southern sisters who make the
most delicious homemade biscuits and cornbread from scratch every day
of their lives. But on Thanksgiving, we have brown and serve rolls
because they are fancy.

I am on bedrest right now (pout, pout, pout), so I can't travel up to
be with my family. Here's what I'm missing:

relish tray
devilled eggs
turkey
ham
dressing
gravy
chicken and dumplings
macaroni and cheese
sweet potato casserole
potato salad
cole slaw
fruit salad
green beans
corn
rolls
cranberry sauce
pumpkin and pecan pie, usually coconut cake, other desserts

Tara

>Sheryl Rosen
>
>I have no idea what will be served for Thanksgiving, as I'm going to my
>friend's house and it will be whatever her Mom and she cook up. I offered
>to bring either a side dish or a pie. Whichever I'm told to do, that's what
>I will bring. I have never had Thanksgiving with them, only Christmas (ham)
>and Easter (Lamb) but her mom is a wonderful cook and I have no doubt it
>will all be delicious!

I also don't bring a "dish" to someone elses dinner, nor do I permit guests to
bring any to mine (if they do it won't get served), in fact it won't even get
refrigerated, all my fridge space is planned... they are free to retrieve their
dish on their way out (I won't even peek to see what it is). I always tell
guests *emphatically* not to bring anything other than a pleasant disposition
and an appetite, NO dishes. I think it's very rude, especially after being
told in no uncertain terms not to bring a dish they do, and then expecting it
to be served... NOT! When I host a dinner I tend to it in its entirety from
soup to nuts, including all drinks and dessert, I don't want anyone fercockting
up my dinner menu with their kind of surprises... anyone needs to show off
their kitchen prowess feel free to host your own dinners. You wanna bring
wine, feel free, but I consider that a gift for the host and it won't get
served (I would be rude to give away a gift given to me)... if it's good wine
I'll happily drink it myself, afterwards, if it's rot gut it'll go down the
drain, later... I wouldn't make a gift of rotten wine... and that's the point,
I don't want to get maneuvered into serving your crap at my dinner. When I
accept a dinner invitation I bring a host/ess gift with no expectation it will
be served to the other guests, in fact I take great offense at someone giving
away my gift to total strangers, especially right in my face (I don't give away
someones gift either, see above). I usually bring flowers, chocolates, or
Champagne, and would be very offended if at the end of dinner they gave my gift
to one of their schnorrer guests to take home... I'd never again accept their
invite. Of course what someone does with a *gift* unbeknownst to the giver is
no ones business, it's a gift after all... but somehow that kind of crassness
always manages to surface.

And I especially don't appreciate someone thinking that if they bring a dish
that excuses them from any and all reciprosity. I'll extend a dinner invitation
once, perhaps twice... after that they still don't invite me to their dinner
it's all over... I hate schnorrers, in all their mutations.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>Sheryl Rosen
>
>I have no idea what will be served for Thanksgiving, as I'm going to my
>friend's house and it will be whatever her Mom and she cook up. I offered
>to bring either a side dish or a pie. Whichever I'm told to do, that's what
>I will bring. I have never had Thanksgiving with them, only Christmas (ham)
>and Easter (Lamb) but her mom is a wonderful cook and I have no doubt it
>will all be delicious!

I also don't bring a "dish" to someone elses dinner, nor do I permit guests to
bring any to mine (if they do it won't get served), in fact it won't even get
refrigerated, all my fridge space is planned... they are free to retrieve their
dish on their way out (I won't even peek to see what it is). I always tell
guests *emphatically* not to bring anything other than a pleasant disposition
and an appetite, NO dishes. I think it's very rude, especially after being
told in no uncertain terms not to bring a dish they do, and then expecting it
to be served... NOT! When I host a dinner I tend to it in its entirety from
soup to nuts, including all drinks and dessert, I don't want anyone fercockting
up my dinner menu with their kind of surprises... anyone needs to show off
their kitchen prowess feel free to host your own dinners. You wanna bring
wine, feel free, but I consider that a gift for the host and it won't get
served (I would be rude to give away a gift given to me)... if it's good wine
I'll happily drink it myself, afterwards, if it's rot gut it'll go down the
drain, later... I wouldn't make a gift of rotten wine... and that's the point,
I don't want to get maneuvered into serving your crap at my dinner. When I
accept a dinner invitation I bring a host/ess gift with no expectation it will
be served to the other guests, in fact I take great offense at someone giving
away my gift to total strangers, especially right in my face (I don't give away
someones gift either, see above). I usually bring flowers, chocolates, or
Champagne, and would be very offended if at the end of dinner they gave my gift
to one of their schnorrer guests to take home... I'd never again accept their
invite. Of course what someone does with a *gift* unbeknownst to the giver is
no ones business, it's a gift after all... but somehow that kind of crassness
always manages to surface.

And I especially don't appreciate someone thinking that if they bring a dish
that excuses them from any and all reciprosity. I'll extend a dinner invitation
once, perhaps twice... after that they still don't invite me to their dinner
it's all over... I hate schnorrers, in all their mutations.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>Sheryl Rosen
>
>I have no idea what will be served for Thanksgiving, as I'm going to my
>friend's house and it will be whatever her Mom and she cook up. I offered
>to bring either a side dish or a pie. Whichever I'm told to do, that's what
>I will bring. I have never had Thanksgiving with them, only Christmas (ham)
>and Easter (Lamb) but her mom is a wonderful cook and I have no doubt it
>will all be delicious!

I also don't bring a "dish" to someone elses dinner, nor do I permit guests to
bring any to mine (if they do it won't get served), in fact it won't even get
refrigerated, all my fridge space is planned... they are free to retrieve their
dish on their way out (I won't even peek to see what it is). I always tell
guests *emphatically* not to bring anything other than a pleasant disposition
and an appetite, NO dishes. I think it's very rude, especially after being
told in no uncertain terms not to bring a dish they do, and then expecting it
to be served... NOT! When I host a dinner I tend to it in its entirety from
soup to nuts, including all drinks and dessert, I don't want anyone fercockting
up my dinner menu with their kind of surprises... anyone needs to show off
their kitchen prowess feel free to host your own dinners. You wanna bring
wine, feel free, but I consider that a gift for the host and it won't get
served (I would be rude to give away a gift given to me)... if it's good wine
I'll happily drink it myself, afterwards, if it's rot gut it'll go down the
drain, later... I wouldn't make a gift of rotten wine... and that's the point,
I don't want to get maneuvered into serving your crap at my dinner. When I
accept a dinner invitation I bring a host/ess gift with no expectation it will
be served to the other guests, in fact I take great offense at someone giving
away my gift to total strangers, especially right in my face (I don't give away
someones gift either, see above). I usually bring flowers, chocolates, or
Champagne, and would be very offended if at the end of dinner they gave my gift
to one of their schnorrer guests to take home... I'd never again accept their
invite. Of course what someone does with a *gift* unbeknownst to the giver is
no ones business, it's a gift after all... but somehow that kind of crassness
always manages to surface.

And I especially don't appreciate someone thinking that if they bring a dish
that excuses them from any and all reciprosity. I'll extend a dinner invitation
once, perhaps twice... after that they still don't invite me to their dinner
it's all over... I hate schnorrers, in all their mutations.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

"Mike Pearce" > wrote in
news:vNqjd.3368$rG2.2913@lakeread05:

> Like I mentioned to Sheryl, I really enjoy cooking all the food myself.
> If my guests really want to help out they can show up on time, or close
> to it. I moved to New Orleans a couple of years ago. I don't know what
> it is about this place, but everyone shows up late for gatherings. A
> good day is when guests show up only a half hour late, more often they
> are an hour or more late. That's fine if it's just hanging out but it
> makes it hard to time a meal when you don't know when people are going
> to get there.Whenever I go to someone's for a get together I'm just
> about always the first one there, even if I purposely try to show up
> late.
>
> -Mike

It's the SOUTH, Mike. My parents' families are both from Mississippi, but
over the years have expanded to Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, :and the
Carolinas. I, myself, only lived in the South for a couple of years, but
have spent a lot of time visiting there. IME, Southerners are very
relaxed, or should I say lax, about time. Perhaps a better description
would be "casual" when it comes to time. It was never unusual for people
to arrive a half hour, an hour, or more, late for some get-together. Many
don't even seem concerned about arriving late for an appointment. It's not
a criticism, just my observation of a way of life.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

Mike wrote:

> I'm trying to think of something Cuban to sneak into my meal. It won't be
> yuca con mojito, I could never stomach that stuff. If I were only thinking
> of myself I'd forget about the turkey all together and have arroz con
> pollo. I may make a side of garbanzos with chorizo.

If you can find boniatos or calabaza locally, then it's a no-brainer; simple
preparations of either will fit right in to a Thanksgiving meal.

If you're leaning more toward dessert, I've got the following recipes which
might work; let me know if you're interested and I'll post any or all of
them:

Guava Cheesecake
Mango Napoleon with Chocolate Fudge Sauce
Coconut Cream Pie (the pie shell also contains coconut)
"Exotic" Banana Cream Pie
"Island Spice" Ice Cream (flavored with cinnamon, star anise, cloves, and
orange zest)
Hibiscus Granita

(Those are all from _Miami Spice_)

Bob

Mike wrote:

> I'm trying to think of something Cuban to sneak into my meal. It won't be
> yuca con mojito, I could never stomach that stuff. If I were only thinking
> of myself I'd forget about the turkey all together and have arroz con
> pollo. I may make a side of garbanzos with chorizo.

If you can find boniatos or calabaza locally, then it's a no-brainer; simple
preparations of either will fit right in to a Thanksgiving meal.

If you're leaning more toward dessert, I've got the following recipes which
might work; let me know if you're interested and I'll post any or all of
them:

Guava Cheesecake
Mango Napoleon with Chocolate Fudge Sauce
Coconut Cream Pie (the pie shell also contains coconut)
"Exotic" Banana Cream Pie
"Island Spice" Ice Cream (flavored with cinnamon, star anise, cloves, and
orange zest)
Hibiscus Granita

(Those are all from _Miami Spice_)

Bob

Mike wrote:

> I'm trying to think of something Cuban to sneak into my meal. It won't be
> yuca con mojito, I could never stomach that stuff. If I were only thinking
> of myself I'd forget about the turkey all together and have arroz con
> pollo. I may make a side of garbanzos with chorizo.

If you can find boniatos or calabaza locally, then it's a no-brainer; simple
preparations of either will fit right in to a Thanksgiving meal.

If you're leaning more toward dessert, I've got the following recipes which
might work; let me know if you're interested and I'll post any or all of
them:

Guava Cheesecake
Mango Napoleon with Chocolate Fudge Sauce
Coconut Cream Pie (the pie shell also contains coconut)
"Exotic" Banana Cream Pie
"Island Spice" Ice Cream (flavored with cinnamon, star anise, cloves, and
orange zest)
Hibiscus Granita

(Those are all from _Miami Spice_)

Bob

Sheryl Rosen wrote:

>
> Why not invite some friends or neighbors over to join you and your husband?
>
> I know about not feeling like celebrating, and for those same reasons, too.

We certainly will get together with friends. In the past we've had two
Thanksgivings, one the week before with friends and one with family. I
get to make twice as many yummy dishes. This year I'll probably skip all
the plain traditional ones like mashed potatoes and casseroles and make
the more exotic versions.




Dawn

Sheryl Rosen wrote:

>
> Why not invite some friends or neighbors over to join you and your husband?
>
> I know about not feeling like celebrating, and for those same reasons, too.

We certainly will get together with friends. In the past we've had two
Thanksgivings, one the week before with friends and one with family. I
get to make twice as many yummy dishes. This year I'll probably skip all
the plain traditional ones like mashed potatoes and casseroles and make
the more exotic versions.




Dawn

Sheryl Rosen wrote:

>
> Why not invite some friends or neighbors over to join you and your husband?
>
> I know about not feeling like celebrating, and for those same reasons, too.

We certainly will get together with friends. In the past we've had two
Thanksgivings, one the week before with friends and one with family. I
get to make twice as many yummy dishes. This year I'll probably skip all
the plain traditional ones like mashed potatoes and casseroles and make
the more exotic versions.




Dawn

Dawn > wrote in news:gigjd.30764$T02.8323
@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> I think I will do the cranberry fruit relish and the pumpkin pecan torta
> that we both like. Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this being
> the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and divorces. I'm
> not much in the mood for celebrating.
>
>
> Dawn

Tradition kept us going. Apart from my parents, all other relatives lived
thousands of miles away. My father died late in the month of October, but at
Thansgiving my mother and I pressed on and did a full traditional dinner and
invited a few close friends. We did the same at Christmas. A few years
later when my mother died, my partner and I did the same thing at the
holidays. It seemed to give some continuity to our lives, and I think my
parents would have been glad that we did. If we hadn't kept up the
tradition, I think we'd have been the sadder for it.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

Dawn > wrote in news:gigjd.30764$T02.8323
@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> I think I will do the cranberry fruit relish and the pumpkin pecan torta
> that we both like. Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this being
> the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and divorces. I'm
> not much in the mood for celebrating.
>
>
> Dawn

Tradition kept us going. Apart from my parents, all other relatives lived
thousands of miles away. My father died late in the month of October, but at
Thansgiving my mother and I pressed on and did a full traditional dinner and
invited a few close friends. We did the same at Christmas. A few years
later when my mother died, my partner and I did the same thing at the
holidays. It seemed to give some continuity to our lives, and I think my
parents would have been glad that we did. If we hadn't kept up the
tradition, I think we'd have been the sadder for it.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

Dawn > wrote in news:gigjd.30764$T02.8323
@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> I think I will do the cranberry fruit relish and the pumpkin pecan torta
> that we both like. Beyond that we haven't made many plans, this being
> the first year we have no family in town due to deaths and divorces. I'm
> not much in the mood for celebrating.
>
>
> Dawn

Tradition kept us going. Apart from my parents, all other relatives lived
thousands of miles away. My father died late in the month of October, but at
Thansgiving my mother and I pressed on and did a full traditional dinner and
invited a few close friends. We did the same at Christmas. A few years
later when my mother died, my partner and I did the same thing at the
holidays. It seemed to give some continuity to our lives, and I think my
parents would have been glad that we did. If we hadn't kept up the
tradition, I think we'd have been the sadder for it.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

>"Mike Pearce" writes:
>
>Like I mentioned to Sheryl, I really enjoy cooking all the food myself. If
>my guests really want to help out they can show up on time, or close to it.
>I moved to New Orleans a couple of years ago. I don't know what it is about
>this place, but everyone shows up late for gatherings. A good day is when
>guests show up only a half hour late, more often they are an hour or more
>late. That's fine if it's just hanging out but it makes it hard to time a
>meal when you don't know when people are going to get there.Whenever I go to
>someone's for a get together I'm just about always the first one there, even
>if I purposely try to show up late.

I've discovered that the further south the slower folks move... in Mexico and
the rest of Central America it's considered on time if you arrive that day.

But then in the US the southerners are not as likely to host formal dinners,
generally is more of an indoor picnic where everyone brings a covered dish...
doesn't matter a whit that six people brought potato salad, and since the main
entree is bologna sammiches on white with yeller musturd y'all don't never mind
who shows when... so long as there's plenty beer and parking for the pickups..


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
...
> "Mike Pearce" wrote:
>
>> <snipped stuff about people showing up late in New Orleans>
>
> It's the SOUTH, Mike. My parents' families are both from Mississippi, but
> over the years have expanded to Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, :and the
> Carolinas. I, myself, only lived in the South for a couple of years, but
> have spent a lot of time visiting there. IME, Southerners are very
> relaxed, or should I say lax, about time. Perhaps a better description
> would be "casual" when it comes to time. It was never unusual for people
> to arrive a half hour, an hour, or more, late for some get-together. Many
> don't even seem concerned about arriving late for an appointment. It's
> not
> a criticism, just my observation of a way of life.
>

They may be lax about time for some things, but others they are not. I'm
still amazed at how people complain about what they call heavy traffic down
here. I'd hate to see how they'd get riled up trying to drive around Boston
even during non-rush hour times.

I'm starting to get used people showing up late but it's been an adjustment.
My only real problem with it is trying to time a meal.

-Mike

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
...
> "Mike Pearce" wrote:
>
>> <snipped stuff about people showing up late in New Orleans>
>
> It's the SOUTH, Mike. My parents' families are both from Mississippi, but
> over the years have expanded to Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, :and the
> Carolinas. I, myself, only lived in the South for a couple of years, but
> have spent a lot of time visiting there. IME, Southerners are very
> relaxed, or should I say lax, about time. Perhaps a better description
> would be "casual" when it comes to time. It was never unusual for people
> to arrive a half hour, an hour, or more, late for some get-together. Many
> don't even seem concerned about arriving late for an appointment. It's
> not
> a criticism, just my observation of a way of life.
>

They may be lax about time for some things, but others they are not. I'm
still amazed at how people complain about what they call heavy traffic down
here. I'd hate to see how they'd get riled up trying to drive around Boston
even during non-rush hour times.

I'm starting to get used people showing up late but it's been an adjustment.
My only real problem with it is trying to time a meal.

-Mike

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >Sheryl Rosen
> >
> >I have no idea what will be served for Thanksgiving, as I'm going to my
> >friend's house and it will be whatever her Mom and she cook up. I
offered
> >to bring either a side dish or a pie. Whichever I'm told to do, that's
what
> >I will bring. I have never had Thanksgiving with them, only Christmas
(ham)
> >and Easter (Lamb) but her mom is a wonderful cook and I have no doubt it
> >will all be delicious!
>
> I also don't bring a "dish" to someone elses dinner, nor do I permit
guests to
> bring any to mine (if they do it won't get served), in fact it won't even
get
> refrigerated, all my fridge space is planned... they are free to retrieve
their
> dish on their way out (I won't even peek to see what it is). I always
tell
> guests *emphatically* not to bring anything other than a pleasant
disposition
> and an appetite, NO dishes. I think it's very rude, especially after
being
> told in no uncertain terms not to bring a dish they do, and then expecting
it
> to be served... NOT! When I host a dinner I tend to it in its entirety
from
> soup to nuts, including all drinks and dessert, I don't want anyone
fercockting
> up my dinner menu with their kind of surprises... anyone needs to show off
> their kitchen prowess feel free to host your own dinners. You wanna bring
> wine, feel free, but I consider that a gift for the host and it won't get
> served (I would be rude to give away a gift given to me)... if it's good
wine
> I'll happily drink it myself, afterwards, if it's rot gut it'll go down
the
> drain, later... I wouldn't make a gift of rotten wine... and that's the
point,
> I don't want to get maneuvered into serving your crap at my dinner. When
I
> accept a dinner invitation I bring a host/ess gift with no expectation it
will
> be served to the other guests, in fact I take great offense at someone
giving
> away my gift to total strangers, especially right in my face (I don't give
away
> someones gift either, see above). I usually bring flowers, chocolates, or
> Champagne, and would be very offended if at the end of dinner they gave my
gift
> to one of their schnorrer guests to take home... I'd never again accept
their
> invite. Of course what someone does with a *gift* unbeknownst to the
giver is
> no ones business, it's a gift after all... but somehow that kind of
crassness
> always manages to surface.
>
> And I especially don't appreciate someone thinking that if they bring a
dish
> that excuses them from any and all reciprosity. I'll extend a dinner
invitation
> once, perhaps twice... after that they still don't invite me to their
dinner
> it's all over... I hate schnorrers, in all their mutations.
>
>
> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> *********
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
> Sheldon
> ````````````

(content NOT snipped on purpose)

Sheldon, your viewpoint is really interesting to me because where I grew up
and also where I lived in Hawaii, if you were invited to someone's house for
dinner, you naturally brought along an appetizer, or side dish/dessert or a
bottle of wine. You simply DID not go to someone's house empty handed. You
would probably not receive another invite.

I can completely understand your viewpoint although it conflicts with the
social mores of what I've grown accustomed to. You woke me up, so-to-speak.

From now on, when I'm invited somewhere, I will ask the host if I should
bring something to avoid any uncomfortableness between host and guest.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

kili

in article , Dawn at
wrote on 11/7/04 12:21 PM:

> Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
>>
>> Why not invite some friends or neighbors over to join you and your husband?
>>
>> I know about not feeling like celebrating, and for those same reasons, too.
>
> We certainly will get together with friends. In the past we've had two
> Thanksgivings, one the week before with friends and one with family. I
> get to make twice as many yummy dishes. This year I'll probably skip all
> the plain traditional ones like mashed potatoes and casseroles and make
> the more exotic versions.
>
>
>
>
> Dawn
>

Hang in there, and as Wayne said...tradition keeps us going.

It hurts to do the same things you did with the people you miss (for
whatever reason they are not in your life anymore) the first few times.
After that, it hurts too much NOT to do them, because part of healing is
realizing that doing those things without them....sort of keeps them with
you. You honor them by taking part in events they would have liked to share
with you, because in doing so, you can't help but remember them.

I kinda wish someone had told me this 2 years ago. But then again, maybe
it's something that, no matter how many times you are told, you just have to
figure it out for yourself.

Either way, try to enjoy your holidays!