"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/20/2013 10:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 11/20/2013 9:28 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:46:13 -0500, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The doctor has her going to Manhattan for the procedure. She
>>>>> figured she'd just take the bus. Grrr. She's too much.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what the Dr's are going to think about that. Hubby went
>>>> in for something less worrisome and thought he'd drive himself in both
>>>> directions, but they wouldn't release him until I came to pick him up.
>>>> Maybe they'll let her take the bus if she stays a required length of
>>>> time for observation, but they don't like to knock patients out and
>>>> then send them on their merry way without knowing someone is with
>>>> them. Would she agree to take the bus in and a taxi back? If so, I'd
>>>> clear it with the hospital or her Dr first - because they might
>>>> require a longer stay if she is unaccompanied.
>>>
>>> Oh, thank you, no, she is NOT taking the bus. She only thought
>>> she'd take the bus. She has three grown children living in the area,
>>> we are on it.
>>>
>>> It's not that I don't understand, I'd rather deal with stuff myself
>>> and maybe people will find out after. But this is too much, she
>>> should have instantly called one of us to take her.
>>
>> Quite a woman!!!
>>
> Nancy's mom sounds a bit like one of my elderly aunts. She has children
> living nearby but she just *hates* to bother any of them.

Sure sounds like. Just hate to give up their independence. Not easy form
family though!
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On 11/20/2013 2:58 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>
> I know you worry, who wouldn't? Best wishes for it to be the non-event
> they seem to think it will be.

Exactly! Thank you. To me it's a case of Famous Last Words.
Just ask Dave. Oh, it's a simple procedure, next thing you
know you hear Oops.

nancy

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:10:01 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 11/20/2013 2:58 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> >> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> >> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
> >
> > I know you worry, who wouldn't? Best wishes for it to be the non-event
> > they seem to think it will be.
>
> Exactly! Thank you. To me it's a case of Famous Last Words.
> Just ask Dave. Oh, it's a simple procedure, next thing you
> know you hear Oops.
>
Think positive thoughts. If she's going to Cornell, the chances will
be slim to none that a problem like Dave's will happen.


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On 11/20/2013 3:25 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:10:01 -0500, Nancy Young

>> Exactly! Thank you. To me it's a case of Famous Last Words.
>> Just ask Dave. Oh, it's a simple procedure, next thing you
>> know you hear Oops.
>>
> Think positive thoughts. If she's going to Cornell, the chances will
> be slim to none that a problem like Dave's will happen.

Uh oh! Now I am worried, she's going to a different hospital!
Heh. NYU.

nancy

On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.

Hoping all will be well!

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Nancy Young wrote:
>
> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.

A stent where? BIL had a brain stent two years ago, a very serious
surgery. I hope your mom does well.

On 11/20/2013 8:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>
> A stent where? BIL had a brain stent two years ago, a very serious
> surgery. I hope your mom does well.

Thanks very much. This is a heart thing.

She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
surprise.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/20/2013 8:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>>
>> A stent where? BIL had a brain stent two years ago, a very serious
>> surgery. I hope your mom does well.
>
> Thanks very much. This is a heart thing.
>
> She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
> surprise.
>
> nancy

Too many carbs can do that!

On 11/20/2013 7:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>
> Hoping all will be well!
>
Thanks very much. I appreciate the thought.

nancy

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:57:36 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 11/20/2013 3:25 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:10:01 -0500, Nancy Young
>
> >> Exactly! Thank you. To me it's a case of Famous Last Words.
> >> Just ask Dave. Oh, it's a simple procedure, next thing you
> >> know you hear Oops.
> >>
> > Think positive thoughts. If she's going to Cornell, the chances will
> > be slim to none that a problem like Dave's will happen.
>
> Uh oh! Now I am worried, she's going to a different hospital!
> Heh. NYU.
>
<laughing>


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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 11/20/2013 8:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> >>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> >>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
> >>
> >> A stent where? BIL had a brain stent two years ago, a very serious
> >> surgery. I hope your mom does well.
> >
> > Thanks very much. This is a heart thing.
> >
> > She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
> > surprise.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Too many carbs can do that!

Yeah, it was the rice... no joke, Nancy.

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/20/2013 7:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>>
>> Hoping all will be well!
>>
> Thanks very much. I appreciate the thought.

Good wishes from me too, Nancy.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 11/20/2013 8:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >> Nancy Young wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>> >>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>> >>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>> >>
>> >> A stent where? BIL had a brain stent two years ago, a very serious
>> >> surgery. I hope your mom does well.
>> >
>> > Thanks very much. This is a heart thing.
>> >
>> > She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
>> > surprise.
>> >
>> > nancy
>>
>> Too many carbs can do that!
>
> Yeah, it was the rice... no joke, Nancy.

Particularly if it was white. One of my friends who is now a diabetic had a
stent put in. Actually I think it was more than one. She always ate well.
Her husband manages a grocery store and she herself works at a store with a
grocery department. She eats tons of salad and other good, wholesome foods
but her downfall was Pepsi. Regular Pepsi. She would easily drink 6, 2
liter bottles a day. Why she was not any larger than she was, is beyond me.
Not thin, but not obese either. Just a little overweight. We always told
her that Pepsi would come back to haunt her. That's what excess carbs can
do. Particularly of the refined nature.

Weaning herself from the Pepsi was hard for her to do but necessary for the
diabetes.

On 11/21/2013 3:03 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"

>> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>>> She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
>>> surprise.

>> Too many carbs can do that!
>
> Yeah, it was the rice... no joke, Nancy.

Thank you both, I will tell my mother that and to ask her
doctor.

Being Japanese, she thinks rice is what you eat.

nancy

On 11/21/2013 5:54 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/20/2013 7:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>>>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>>>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>>>
>>> Hoping all will be well!
>>>
>> Thanks very much. I appreciate the thought.
>
> Good wishes from me too, Nancy.
>
Thanks very much, and I apologize to Nan, I didn't mean to
hijack her thread.

I don't even remember if I told her that people seem to like
the Heart Association cookbook. Think I did.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/21/2013 5:54 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 11/20/2013 7:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>> On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>>>>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>>>>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>>>>
>>>> Hoping all will be well!
>>>>
>>> Thanks very much. I appreciate the thought.
>>
>> Good wishes from me too, Nancy.
>>
> Thanks very much, and I apologize to Nan, I didn't mean to
> hijack her thread.
>
> I don't even remember if I told her that people seem to like
> the Heart Association cookbook. Think I did.

Nancy, please do report back?
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/21/2013 3:03 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>>> She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
>>>> surprise.
>
>>> Too many carbs can do that!
>>
>> Yeah, it was the rice... no joke, Nancy.
>
> Thank you both, I will tell my mother that and to ask her
> doctor.
>
> Being Japanese, she thinks rice is what you eat.

As always, it is what you are raised eating. I think it might be an awful
wrench if she is denied it now

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On 11/21/2013 10:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/21/2013 3:03 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>
>>>>> She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
>>>>> surprise.
>>
>>>> Too many carbs can do that!
>>>
>>> Yeah, it was the rice... no joke, Nancy.
>>
>> Thank you both, I will tell my mother that and to ask her
>> doctor.
>>
>> Being Japanese, she thinks rice is what you eat.
>
> As always, it is what you are raised eating. I think it might be an
> awful wrench if she is denied it now
>
DI wonder do Christian Japanese pray "Give us today our daily rice"?

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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:55:54 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> She would easily drink 6, 2 liter bottles a day.
<snip>
Holy cow SIX 2-liter bottles? I'd have trouble drinking one liter of
anything, including water, per day.
>
> Weaning herself from the Pepsi was hard for her to do but necessary for the
> diabetes.

I think that's the way it is with things that aren't good for you,
especially carbs/sugar. You crave them.

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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:18:49 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 11/21/2013 3:03 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>
> >> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
> >>> She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
> >>> surprise.
>
> >> Too many carbs can do that!
> >
> > Yeah, it was the rice... no joke, Nancy.
>
> Thank you both, I will tell my mother that and to ask her
> doctor.
>
> Being Japanese, she thinks rice is what you eat.
>

The Dr. is going to tell her to add vegetables... lots of them. Hubby
had to cut way back on his white rice intake and learn to like brown
rice. I still make white occasionally when brown would be weird with
what I'm serving, but it's brown rice, half of a small potato, quinoa
or Israeli couscous for everyday eating now. He doesn't like them as
much as he likes white rice (when I make it, it's medium grain - which
he doesn't like as much as he likes long grain), so it's easier for
him to limit his amounts without feeling deprived.

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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:29:46 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 11/21/2013 3:03 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >
> >>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
> >
> >>>> She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
> >>>> surprise.
> >
> >>> Too many carbs can do that!
> >>
> >> Yeah, it was the rice... no joke, Nancy.
> >
> > Thank you both, I will tell my mother that and to ask her
> > doctor.
> >
> > Being Japanese, she thinks rice is what you eat.
>
> As always, it is what you are raised eating. I think it might be an awful
> wrench if she is denied it now

She won't have to stop it completely, just change the type she uses
everyday and cut back on the amount. Ask dsi1 what a typical amount
of rice is for Hawaiians to eat and that's pretty much the case for
Japanese and Pacific Islanders too.

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On 11/21/2013 10:52 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 11/21/2013 10:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>>> Being Japanese, she thinks rice is what you eat.
>>
>> As always, it is what you are raised eating. I think it might be an
>> awful wrench if she is denied it now
>>
> DI wonder do Christian Japanese pray "Give us today our daily rice"?

I don't think it would have occurred to her, I'm going with no.
The words are the words. Heh.

nancy

On 11/21/2013 10:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> Thanks very much, and I apologize to Nan, I didn't mean to
>> hijack her thread.

> Nancy, please do report back?

I will. I'm not taking her, so I'll be here waiting on
pins and needles myself.

nancy

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...

> DI wonder do Christian Japanese pray "Give us today our daily rice"?

Wouldn't it be panko?

"sf" > wrote in message
...

>
> She won't have to stop it completely, just change the type she uses
> everyday and cut back on the amount. Ask dsi1 what a typical amount
> of rice is for Hawaiians to eat and that's pretty much the case for
> Japanese and Pacific Islanders too.

I know people for whom rice is a native staple. But they no longer eat it
like they used to. Now they eat it more like a condiment. Just a few bites
with the meal.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:55:54 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> She would easily drink 6, 2 liter bottles a day.
> <snip>
> Holy cow SIX 2-liter bottles? I'd have trouble drinking one liter of
> anything, including water, per day.
>>
>> Weaning herself from the Pepsi was hard for her to do but necessary for
>> the
>> diabetes.
>
> I think that's the way it is with things that aren't good for you,
> especially carbs/sugar. You crave them.

Apparently some do. I am not one of them.

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:20:17 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> I don't even remember if I told her that people seem to like
> the Heart Association cookbook. Think I did.

Just looked. They have lots of cookbooks for sale online and several
sample recipes from each book. I see carbs and fat, so it's not a
deprivation diet - it's the same common sense approach dietitians
teach people in person. Googling, it looks like your mom might be
told to add omega-3 rich fish like tuna, mackerel, and salmon to her
diet too.

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"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:20:17 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't even remember if I told her that people seem to like
>> the Heart Association cookbook. Think I did.
>
> Just looked. They have lots of cookbooks for sale online and several
> sample recipes from each book. I see carbs and fat, so it's not a
> deprivation diet - it's the same common sense approach dietitians
> teach people in person. Googling, it looks like your mom might be
> told to add omega-3 rich fish like tuna, mackerel, and salmon to her
> diet too.

These might all be useful for Nanzi too!


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Nancy Young wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>>
>> A stent where? BIL had a brain stent two years ago, a very serious
>> surgery. I hope your mom does well.
>
>Thanks very much. This is a heart thing.
>
>She pretty much lives on tofu and rice, so this is kind of a
>surprise.

I've been told that aneurysms are mostly hereditory.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:33:17 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:06:46 -0800 (PST), Nanzi >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode.. I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of our lives!!
>
> >
>
> > Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>
> >
>
> Sorry to hear it! My best advice is to take the class(es) your Dr
>
> recommends. You'll be surprised at how much you already cook that
>
> will be just what the Dr ordered and have some minor adjustments in
>
> other areas. It won't be as bad as you think!
>
>
>
> My hubby ate whatever he wanted (like ice cream every night): fats,
>
> carbs and was never fat - so he thought he was fit. In any case, he
>
> had stents and his Dr recommended a low fat diet afterward. Like a
>
> lot of men, hubby went overboard and kept up the super low fat thing
>
> for years. Then he finally went to the recommended nutrition classes
>
> and is now following the guidelines about keeping carbs within certain
>
> range (he's keeping it light on the fats, but they are not
>
> nonexistent). He's doing great, feeling great and cheats on occasion
>
> - so he doesn't feel deprived. The best thing for his body is that
>
> he's exercising. He walks at least 4 days a week, minimum 4 miles
>
> most of the time, 6 and sometimes 9-10 on others.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

She really doesn't need advice from a land whale like you.

Nancy Young wrote:

> On 11/20/2013 7:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> > On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>
> >> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>
> >> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>
> >
>
> > Hoping all will be well!
>
> >
>
> Thanks very much. I appreciate the thought.


Hope you have "smoooth sailing" with everything...I know it's tough!


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thank you Ed for the good suggestions. Actually I haven't changed much in our food repetoire. Most of it was pretty healthy, and his cholesterol is low. I am just using less salt, and we are adjusting our taste buds, altho I was not a big salter to start with. I was pretty Panicced when I wrote that first post, but am quite relieved now as he is doing well. Now that the kids have gone home and the holiday is over, we can get back to some semblance of normalcy.

I think we will do fine. We got a bare bones list of foods to avoid and eat in moderation when we left the hospital.

The drink is out. This whole thing was caused by him quitting drinking cold turkey. Drs say he shocked his heart. They also said alcohol is a cardiac toxin!! So we're both on the wagon from now on, and that's ok!! Maybe I will lose some weight too.

Thanks for your suggestions and encouragement.
Nan Z in DE

>
>
> First, you really don't have to eliminate anything, but you do have to
>
> practice moderation with some foods.
>
>
>
> I see others recommending a dietician. Some are good, others have no
>
> common sense. I attended a couple of heart targeted meetings with my
>
> wife.
>
>
>
> Dietician: Don't drink milkshakes
>
> ME: Is milk OK
>
> D: Yes
>
> ME: How about small servings of ice cream?
>
> D: Yes
>
>
>
> D: Don't eat sausage.
>
> ME: Is ground pork OK if it is lean? (I make my own sausage)
>
> D: Yes.
>
> ME: But home made sausage?
>
> D: No
>
>
>
> Commercial sausage can be up to 50% fat while mine is about 25%.
>
>
>
> Instead of a 24 ounce steak, have a 6 to 8 ounce and enjoy it once in a
>
> while. With a nice red wine.
>
>
>
> Minimize salt, but no need to eliminate every grain of it. Margarine is
>
> no healthier than butter. Veggies are good and can be better with good
>
> seasoning. Plenty of salt free available
>
>
>
> If you eat double bacon cheeseburgers every day, the changes may be
>
> radical, but if you have a reasonably sensible and varied diet, change
>
> will be minimal. Do some research and you will find it is still OK to
>
> have a couple of eggs a week and a drink is good for you.
>
>
>
> Good luck, you life does not have to become bland.