My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode. I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of our lives!!

Anyone on this forum on one of these??

nan in de

On 11/19/2013 11:06 AM, Nanzi wrote:
> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode. I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of our lives!!
>
> Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>
> nan in de
>
First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.

Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
for a consult with him/her.

Jill

On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>
>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>> for a consult with him/her.
>>
>> Jill
> +1
> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy for
> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that strategy.
>
Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have a
registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related to
health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.

And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat cardboard,
wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives. A
competent dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what you
like and help you map out a plan.

Jill

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:06:46 -0800 (PST), Nanzi >
wrote:

> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode. I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of our lives!!
>
> Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>
Sorry to hear it! My best advice is to take the class(es) your Dr
recommends. You'll be surprised at how much you already cook that
will be just what the Dr ordered and have some minor adjustments in
other areas. It won't be as bad as you think!

My hubby ate whatever he wanted (like ice cream every night): fats,
carbs and was never fat - so he thought he was fit. In any case, he
had stents and his Dr recommended a low fat diet afterward. Like a
lot of men, hubby went overboard and kept up the super low fat thing
for years. Then he finally went to the recommended nutrition classes
and is now following the guidelines about keeping carbs within certain
range (he's keeping it light on the fats, but they are not
nonexistent). He's doing great, feeling great and cheats on occasion
- so he doesn't feel deprived. The best thing for his body is that
he's exercising. He walks at least 4 days a week, minimum 4 miles
most of the time, 6 and sometimes 9-10 on others.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/19/2013 11:06 AM, Nanzi wrote:
>> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode.
>> I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I
>> can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am
>> looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for
>> the rest of our lives!!
>>
>> Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>>
>> nan in de
>>
> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>
> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking for
> a consult with him/her.

I agree! You will get some folk coming on with prescriptive details of a
diet garnered on the internet for him to follow! You can do that yourself,
but your Dietician will take into account his likes and dislikes and tailor
it just for him! No reason he can't enjoy with your help.

Best wishes for your husband that he has a full recovery very soon. And
don't forget to look after yourself too! It is a worrying time for you.

Best wishes for you too!!!
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"l not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>
>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>> for a consult with him/her.
>>
>> Jill
> +1
> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy for
> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that strategy.

Wonderful I am so pleased you got that help)
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>>
>>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>>> for a consult with him/her.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> +1
>> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
>> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
>> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy for
>> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
>> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
>> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
>> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
>> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that strategy.
>>
> Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have a
> registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related to
> health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
>
> And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat cardboard,
> wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives. A competent
> dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what you like and help
> you map out a plan.

Indeed) Your comment was exactly right!

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:06:46 -0800 (PST), Nanzi >
> wrote:
>
>> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode.
>> I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I
>> can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am
>> looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for
>> the rest of our lives!!
>>
>> Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>>
> Sorry to hear it! My best advice is to take the class(es) your Dr
> recommends. You'll be surprised at how much you already cook that
> will be just what the Dr ordered and have some minor adjustments in
> other areas. It won't be as bad as you think!
>
> My hubby ate whatever he wanted (like ice cream every night): fats,
> carbs and was never fat - so he thought he was fit. In any case, he
> had stents and his Dr recommended a low fat diet afterward. Like a
> lot of men, hubby went overboard and kept up the super low fat thing
> for years. Then he finally went to the recommended nutrition classes
> and is now following the guidelines about keeping carbs within certain
> range (he's keeping it light on the fats, but they are not
> nonexistent). He's doing great, feeling great and cheats on occasion
> - so he doesn't feel deprived. The best thing for his body is that
> he's exercising. He walks at least 4 days a week, minimum 4 miles
> most of the time, 6 and sometimes 9-10 on others.

Dieticians rule)) Oh my she really did a good job for your hubby!

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On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:47:16 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> Dieticians rule)) Oh my she really did a good job for your hubby!

Yes indeed! My point is that her cooking probably won't change very
much if she's a scratch cook - which I assume most of us here are.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:47:16 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Dieticians rule)) Oh my she really did a good job for your hubby!
>
> Yes indeed! My point is that her cooking probably won't change very
> much if she's a scratch cook - which I assume most of us here are.

Very true!
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Nanzi wrote:
>
>My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode.
>I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them.
>I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am
>looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the
>rest of our lives!!

There's no reason a heart healthful diet has to taste awful...
in fact there are many delicious foods that taste better than
bacon and eggs, burgers and fries, salami and cheese, etc.
And there's no reason you can't occasionally eat differently,
most married couples often eat differently simply because
everyone has different food preferences... when you eat out
do you always order what he orders, are you not a person?

"Nanzi" > wrote in message
...
My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode. I
know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can
look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking
to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of
our lives!!

Anyone on this forum on one of these??

nan in de

---

I would be interested in knowing this as well. I have to buy a Christmas
present for my husband's elderly great aunt and I know she is on such a
diet. She didn't fully explain it and there may be different diets tailored
to different people. I think she told me that she had to avoid high fat and
sweets. I was unsure whether or not to send her dried fruit. Because that
might be considered a sweet. I opted this year to send her a non-edible
thing. But would be nice to know for future years.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>>
>>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>>> for a consult with him/her.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> +1
>> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
>> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
>> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy for
>> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
>> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
>> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
>> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
>> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that strategy.
>>
> Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have a
> registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related to
> health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
>
> And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat cardboard,
> wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives. A competent
> dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what you like and help
> you map out a plan.

I have been to many dieticians too but for diabetes and not heart stuff. I
too had that poster many years ago now. It's to the point now where they
don't really tell me much except that I seem to have a good handle on the
diet. I have also found that they aren't too helpful if you have food
intolerances. They don't seem to know much about food substitutes and all.
Not very helpful for vegetarian or vegan diets either.

I don't know where this notion of bland food came into play. In fact I had
to look up the word bland because I heard it said so many times in differing
ways that I didn't know for sure what it meant. As in I heard a chef say
that while some food she eating wasn't bland, it needed salt. I always
assumed that bland meant unseasoned.

So when I looked it up, it said that bland meant easily digested. And that
people were put on bland diets for varying stomach ailments. In fact that
diet that I am on for gastroperesis would likely be considered bland because
I have to mostly eat easily digested foods like white rice, potatoes without
skin, etc. I have no problems with salt, pepper and other seasonings.

Sometimes people are put on no/low salt diets and then they often turn to
something like Mrs. Dash or Spike to season their foods. My mom tried using
Mrs. Dash for a while but for most things, it wasn't a flavor that we liked.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:47:16 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Dieticians rule)) Oh my she really did a good job for your hubby!
>
> Yes indeed! My point is that her cooking probably won't change very
> much if she's a scratch cook - which I assume most of us here are.

And even if it has to, she likely won't struggle with it. I put myself on
an extremely low fat diet back in the 1980's with my main sources of fat
only coming from nuts and olives. I hadn't discovered oil yet. I baked all
sorts of things using only applesauce and egg whites. You can use prunes
and other fruits as a fat replacement but I didn't care for the taste. I
was even using fructose in my baking because my extended family said that
they wanted to eat sugar free. So I was making these oatmeal cookies that
were loaded with dried fruit and fructose and they were happy!

Oh live and learn! I know now how restricting my fat as I did was not good
for my health. And that the foods we were eating were pretty much all carbs
and anything but sugar free because of all the natural sugar in those
fruits. Also know how bad the fructose was for us. Thankfully that was a
short lived period of my life.

But... Because I already knew how to cook, making those changes were easy.
Just as making changes for our food intolerances was. The only really
difficult thing for me there was the gluten free baking. I was so used to
using wheat doughs that I expected the GF ones to act similarly. They
don't. But once I had an understanding of what they should look and feel
like, that got easier too.

On 11/19/2013 11:14 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>>
>>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>>> for a consult with him/her.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> +1
>> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
>> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
>> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy for
>> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
>> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
>> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
>> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
>> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that strategy.
>>
> Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have a
> registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related to
> health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
>
> And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat cardboard,
> wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives. A
> competent dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what you
> like and help you map out a plan.
>
> Jill

Another vote here for a consult with a competent dietician. The best
thing that ever happened to DH was learning to carb-count from a
hospital dietician. Neither of us could ever make sense of the diabetic
"exchange" diet put out by the ADA. Once he learned carb-counting, his
A1C's dropped dramatically.

He has determined what his carb allowance should be per meal mainly by
checking his meter and it's a lot less than what the ADA seems to
advocate, but every person is different.

He also has cardiac issues. He's had bypass surgery twice and has
congestive heart failure and a defibrillating pace makes as he's in
a-fib all the time.

A cardiac diet is high in fiber and low in fats, especially transfats
and cholesterol. Usually they recommend skinless white meat chicken,
fish, turkey and very lean meats as proteins. He uses Egg Beaters
instead of eggs and reduced fat cheeses.

We start our meals with a tossed salad that helps fill him up with good
stuff. Our meals consist of a protein, a non-starchy vegetable or two
and maybe a controlled, measured amount of pasta or potato. Portion
control is a big part of any diet.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
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On 11/19/2013 11:06 AM, Nanzi wrote:
> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode. I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of our lives!!
>
> Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>
> nan in de
>
No suggestions but I wish for him full recovery and better health after
the diet change.

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On 11/19/2013 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>
>>>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>>>
>>>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>>>> for a consult with him/her.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> +1
>>> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
>>> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
>>> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy for
>>> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
>>> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
>>> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
>>> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
>>> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that strategy.
>>>
>> Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have
>> a registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related
>> to health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
>>
>> And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat
>> cardboard, wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives.
>> A competent dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what
>> you like and help you map out a plan.
>
> Indeed) Your comment was exactly right!
>
I might have to find a dietician myself. I think I've narrowed down at
least one of my stomach problems diagnosed as IBS. Such a generic term.
After the white lasagna which was loaded with dairy, I think I have
lactose intolerance. I know, I know, everyone self diagnoses. But
within a half hour of eating that dairy enriched meal, I was cramping
and had diarrhea all night and the next morning. I'm going to cut out
dairy for a week or so, then gradually introduce it back in to find out.
It will be hard because I love cheese.

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On 11/19/2013 11:06 AM, Nanzi wrote:
> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode. I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of our lives!!
>
> Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>
> nan in de
>

Good luck with recovery.

First, you really don't have to eliminate anything, but you do have to
practice moderation with some foods.

I see others recommending a dietician. Some are good, others have no
common sense. I attended a couple of heart targeted meetings with my
wife.

Dietician: Don't drink milkshakes
ME: Is milk OK
D: Yes
ME: How about small servings of ice cream?
D: Yes

D: Don't eat sausage.
ME: Is ground pork OK if it is lean? (I make my own sausage)
D: Yes.
ME: But home made sausage?
D: No

Commercial sausage can be up to 50% fat while mine is about 25%.

Instead of a 24 ounce steak, have a 6 to 8 ounce and enjoy it once in a
while. With a nice red wine.

Minimize salt, but no need to eliminate every grain of it. Margarine is
no healthier than butter. Veggies are good and can be better with good
seasoning. Plenty of salt free available

If you eat double bacon cheeseburgers every day, the changes may be
radical, but if you have a reasonably sensible and varied diet, change
will be minimal. Do some research and you will find it is still OK to
have a couple of eggs a week and a drink is good for you.

Good luck, you life does not have to become bland.

Best bet is turn him into a Raw Vegan. That can cure anything. These folks can help.
Living and Raw Foods Community Support

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:14:49 PM UTC-6, Cheryl wrote:
> On 11/19/2013 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> >> On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
>
> >>> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>
> >>>> for a consult with him/her.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Jill
>
> >>> +1
>
> >>> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
>
> >>> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
>
> >>> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy for
>
> >>> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
>
> >>> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
>
> >>> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
>
> >>> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
>
> >>> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that strategy.
>
> >>>
>
> >> Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have
>
> >> a registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related
>
> >> to health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
>
> >>
>
> >> And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat
>
> >> cardboard, wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives.
>
> >> A competent dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what
>
> >> you like and help you map out a plan.
>
> >
>
> > Indeed) Your comment was exactly right!
>
> >
>
> I might have to find a dietician myself. I think I've narrowed down at
>
> least one of my stomach problems diagnosed as IBS. Such a generic term.
>
> After the white lasagna which was loaded with dairy, I think I have
>
> lactose intolerance. I know, I know, everyone self diagnoses. But
>
> within a half hour of eating that dairy enriched meal, I was cramping
>
> and had diarrhea all night and the next morning. I'm going to cut out
>
> dairy for a week or so, then gradually introduce it back in to find out.
>
> It will be hard because I love cheese.
>
Clueless people throw around the term, "lactose intolerance," and then lament having to give up cheese. REAL CHEESE DOESN'T HAVE MORE THAN TRACE AMOUNTS OF LACTOSE. That's what makes it cheese. The bacteria turn the lactose into lactic acid. Sure, some of the half-assed cheeses aren't fully cheesed, and still have some lactose, but not enough to worry about, and Lactaid works.

--Bryan

On 11/19/2013 12:33 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:06:46 -0800 (PST), Nanzi >
> wrote:
>
>> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode.
> I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I
>can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am
>looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for
>the rest of our lives!!

I am glad to hear your husband made it through that scary event!
Best of luck with his recovery.

People always mention the Heart Association Cookbook, perhaps you
could learn basics there (aside from any professionals you consult,
of course).

> My hubby ate whatever he wanted (like ice cream every night): fats,
> carbs and was never fat - so he thought he was fit. In any case, he
> had stents and his Dr recommended a low fat diet afterward.

My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.

nancy

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 11/19/2013 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>>> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>>>>> for a consult with him/her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>> +1
>>>> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
>>>> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
>>>> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy
>>>> for
>>>> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
>>>> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
>>>> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
>>>> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
>>>> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that
>>>> strategy.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have
>>> a registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related
>>> to health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
>>>
>>> And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat
>>> cardboard, wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives.
>>> A competent dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what
>>> you like and help you map out a plan.
>>
>> Indeed) Your comment was exactly right!
>>
> I might have to find a dietician myself. I think I've narrowed down at
> least one of my stomach problems diagnosed as IBS. Such a generic term.
> After the white lasagna which was loaded with dairy, I think I have
> lactose intolerance. I know, I know, everyone self diagnoses. But within
> a half hour of eating that dairy enriched meal, I was cramping and had
> diarrhea all night and the next morning. I'm going to cut out dairy for a
> week or so, then gradually introduce it back in to find out. It will be
> hard because I love cheese.

For me it is the casein and not the lactose that is the problem. But eggs
are worse for me.

Try Daiya cheese which seems to be readily available everywhere now. Made
of rice milk and I think pea protein. Not all of the flavors are tasty to
me. There is one I don't like at all. I had posted of it before but gave
the wrong name. Grrr... Can't remember. Have to look it up now. Ahh...
Havarti. It had a creamy texture and I don't like creamy. Have not seen
the cream cheese stuff so didn't buy but most likely wouldn't buy anyway.

This makes a great grilled cheese, mac and cheese, pizza or nachos. I pile
the cheese on for grilled cheese to the point where it drips out and I have
to eat it with a fork. Heh. But I find for the other nachos and pizza,
restraint is the key. Put the minimal amount on. I add lots of beans,
veggies, even meat to the nachos. I prefer a plain cheese pizza and this is
great provided you don't overload.

http://us.daiyafoods.com/our-products

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...

Clueless people throw around the term, "lactose intolerance," and then
lament having to give up cheese. REAL CHEESE DOESN'T HAVE MORE THAN TRACE
AMOUNTS OF LACTOSE. That's what makes it cheese. The bacteria turn the
lactose into lactic acid. Sure, some of the half-assed cheeses aren't fully
cheesed, and still have some lactose, but not enough to worry about, and
Lactaid works.

--Bryan

---

Lactose may not be her problem. Could be casein.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:06:58 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.

It's true! She'll be fine - it's non-invasive surgery. Hubby had to
take it easy for a while afterward, but he was by no means
incapacitated. Let her decide if she's up to whatever "activity"
there will be on Thanksgiving Day. She might beg out if it's a big
and raucous affair, but if that's something she loves - she might not
want to stay home.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/19/2013 11:06 AM, Nanzi wrote:
>
> > My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode.. I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for the rest of our lives!!
>
> >
>
> > Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>
> >
>
> > nan in de
>
> >
>
>
>
> Good luck with recovery.
>
>
>
> First, you really don't have to eliminate anything, but you do have to
>
> practice moderation with some foods.
>
>
>
> I see others recommending a dietician. Some are good, others have no
>
> common sense. I attended a couple of heart targeted meetings with my
>
> wife.
>
>
>
> Dietician: Don't drink milkshakes
>
> ME: Is milk OK
>
> D: Yes
>
> ME: How about small servings of ice cream?
>
> D: Yes
>
>
>
> D: Don't eat sausage.
>
> ME: Is ground pork OK if it is lean? (I make my own sausage)
>
> D: Yes.
>
> ME: But home made sausage?
>
> D: No
>
Most dieticians are worse than useless. They push low fat bullshit on
nearly everybody. They tell people to restrict salt even if the person has
no problems with salt. They recommend eating worthless starches. I laugh at all the clowns who have wasted decades of their lives following dietary advice that reduced pleasure w/o really impacting health. Egg substitute and skim milk isn't living, it's existing.

--Bryan sex+

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:44:01 -0800, The Other Guy
> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:31:03 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:06:58 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> >> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> >> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
> >
> >It's true! She'll be fine - it's non-invasive surgery.
>
> It is MOST DEFINITELY invasive!!
>
> But it's a common procedure nowadays, and requires only
> a small incision in an artery that is sewn up afterwards.
>

Okay, whatever floats your boat. It's not a big deal.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...

Most dieticians are worse than useless. They push low fat bullshit on
nearly everybody. They tell people to restrict salt even if the person has
no problems with salt. They recommend eating worthless starches. I laugh
at all the clowns who have wasted decades of their lives following dietary
advice that reduced pleasure w/o really impacting health. Egg substitute
and skim milk isn't living, it's existing.

---

All that I have seen do push low fat but... The diet that I am naturally
inclined to eat, whole vegetables and beans is so low in fat that I have to
make it a point to add fat to it. But none have told me to restrict salt.
Salt is not a problem for me. They do not recommend eating worthless
starches either but whole grains. None have told me to use an egg
substitute, even when I did eat eggs. I ate eggs for breakfast every Friday
morning while pregnant because I had to go to the Dr. and lab in another
city. I ate at a Korean place that made an egg sandwich for breakfast. Had
that every week. Also ate some boiled eggs and egg salad for lunch with
real, full fat mayo on occasion. And tuna salad with the same.

That dietician did try to get me to eat fat free cheese and then add fat
back in, in the form of margarine on my toast and pushed me to eat reduced
fat peanut butter. I was like... Uh... No. I'll just eat the real thing.

One thing that really shocked her was that I got the portion sizes exactly
right except for the cheese. I was shocked that a serving of cheese was so
much! My mom had a cheese and bread phobia. Refused to eat bread with the
exception of road trips when she made cold meatloaf sandwiches. But if she
ordered a burger or sandwich in a restaurant, she always ripped all or at
least half of the bread or bun off. She was convinced that bread and cheese
made people fat. So if I did eat cheese, I shaved off the thinnest slice
possible and then cut it into matchstick sized sticks to make it last longer
as I ate it.

Other than the cheese, which allowed me 7, dice sized cubes, I got all
portions dead on from her basket of fake foods. She said nobody ever got
the portion sizes right. That amazed me. How hard is it to eyeball
something and see how much it is? I guess if you cook all the time, these
are things you would know. And that's one reason I dislike so many
restaurants. The portions they serve are enough to feed a family! Note
that I say some and not all. A lot of places here are good to do light or
lite portions or will give you side dishes.

On 11/20/2013 1:31 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:06:58 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
>> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
>> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.
>
> It's true! She'll be fine - it's non-invasive surgery. Hubby had to
> take it easy for a while afterward, but he was by no means
> incapacitated. Let her decide if she's up to whatever "activity"
> there will be on Thanksgiving Day. She might beg out if it's a big
> and raucous affair, but if that's something she loves - she might not
> want to stay home.

Thank you. She's in her 80s, so I worry. She's tough. She
says she wonders if she needs it, after all, she took two aerobics
classes yesterday morning and had no problems.

The doctor has her going to Manhattan for the procedure. She
figured she'd just take the bus. Grrr. She's too much.

nancy

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:46:13 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> The doctor has her going to Manhattan for the procedure. She
> figured she'd just take the bus. Grrr. She's too much.

I don't know what the Dr's are going to think about that. Hubby went
in for something less worrisome and thought he'd drive himself in both
directions, but they wouldn't release him until I came to pick him up.
Maybe they'll let her take the bus if she stays a required length of
time for observation, but they don't like to knock patients out and
then send them on their merry way without knowing someone is with
them. Would she agree to take the bus in and a taxi back? If so, I'd
clear it with the hospital or her Dr first - because they might
require a longer stay if she is unaccompanied.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 11/20/2013 9:28 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:46:13 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> The doctor has her going to Manhattan for the procedure. She
>> figured she'd just take the bus. Grrr. She's too much.
>
> I don't know what the Dr's are going to think about that. Hubby went
> in for something less worrisome and thought he'd drive himself in both
> directions, but they wouldn't release him until I came to pick him up.
> Maybe they'll let her take the bus if she stays a required length of
> time for observation, but they don't like to knock patients out and
> then send them on their merry way without knowing someone is with
> them. Would she agree to take the bus in and a taxi back? If so, I'd
> clear it with the hospital or her Dr first - because they might
> require a longer stay if she is unaccompanied.

Oh, thank you, no, she is NOT taking the bus. She only thought
she'd take the bus. She has three grown children living in the area,
we are on it.

It's not that I don't understand, I'd rather deal with stuff myself
and maybe people will find out after. But this is too much, she
should have instantly called one of us to take her.

nancy

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 11/19/2013 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 11/19/2013 11:53 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>>> On 19-Nov-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First, best wishes for your husband's full and speedy recovery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, is there a dietitian on staff at the hospital? I'd be asking
>>>>> for a consult with him/her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>> +1
>>>> The smartest thing I ever did, related to health, was to consult a
>>>> Dietician; she asked about what I like, what I don't like, when I eat,
>>>> do I like an evening snack, etc. Then, she put together a strategy
>>>> for
>>>> me to follow that allows most of the foods I like, when I like, with
>>>> seasoning alternatives to what I had been doing. That was 15 years
>>>> ago; I still have the chart/poster she annotated with MY strategy (she
>>>> got my buy-in through participation, not edict). The chart/poster is
>>>> attached to the door of my freezer as a daily reminder of that
>>>> strategy.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for backing me up. Seems like most, even small hospitals, have
>>> a registered dietitian on staff. How could they not? Diet as related
>>> to health is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
>>>
>>> And no, I don't think Nanzi and her husband will have to eat
>>> cardboard, wallpaper paste or bland food for the rest of their lives.
>>> A competent dietician will do exactly what you said, find out what
>>> you like and help you map out a plan.
>>
>> Indeed) Your comment was exactly right!
>>
> I might have to find a dietician myself. I think I've narrowed down at
> least one of my stomach problems diagnosed as IBS. Such a generic term.
> After the white lasagna which was loaded with dairy, I think I have
> lactose intolerance. I know, I know, everyone self diagnoses. But within
> a half hour of eating that dairy enriched meal, I was cramping and had
> diarrhea all night and the next morning. I'm going to cut out dairy for a
> week or so, then gradually introduce it back in to find out. It will be
> hard because I love cheese.

Hope it doesn't turn out to be that, but if it does you will know it can can
act accordingly!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...

> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.

Aye worrying stuff. Hope all goes well!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/20/2013 9:28 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:46:13 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The doctor has her going to Manhattan for the procedure. She
>>> figured she'd just take the bus. Grrr. She's too much.
>>
>> I don't know what the Dr's are going to think about that. Hubby went
>> in for something less worrisome and thought he'd drive himself in both
>> directions, but they wouldn't release him until I came to pick him up.
>> Maybe they'll let her take the bus if she stays a required length of
>> time for observation, but they don't like to knock patients out and
>> then send them on their merry way without knowing someone is with
>> them. Would she agree to take the bus in and a taxi back? If so, I'd
>> clear it with the hospital or her Dr first - because they might
>> require a longer stay if she is unaccompanied.
>
> Oh, thank you, no, she is NOT taking the bus. She only thought
> she'd take the bus. She has three grown children living in the area,
> we are on it.
>
> It's not that I don't understand, I'd rather deal with stuff myself
> and maybe people will find out after. But this is too much, she
> should have instantly called one of us to take her.

Quite a woman!!!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Yes..serious as a heart attack. Now its best to have one pig out day a week to pick up some B Vitamins. Not many of them available in the plant kingdom. So a person could still alt.rec.food..just not as often. Moderation in all things ya know?

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:36:39 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 11/20/2013 9:28 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:46:13 -0500, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> The doctor has her going to Manhattan for the procedure. She
> >> figured she'd just take the bus. Grrr. She's too much.
> >
> > I don't know what the Dr's are going to think about that. Hubby went
> > in for something less worrisome and thought he'd drive himself in both
> > directions, but they wouldn't release him until I came to pick him up.
> > Maybe they'll let her take the bus if she stays a required length of
> > time for observation, but they don't like to knock patients out and
> > then send them on their merry way without knowing someone is with
> > them. Would she agree to take the bus in and a taxi back? If so, I'd
> > clear it with the hospital or her Dr first - because they might
> > require a longer stay if she is unaccompanied.
>
> Oh, thank you, no, she is NOT taking the bus. She only thought
> she'd take the bus. She has three grown children living in the area,
> we are on it.

Whew, that's good to hear!

>
> It's not that I don't understand, I'd rather deal with stuff myself
> and maybe people will find out after. But this is too much, she
> should have instantly called one of us to take her.
>

Fiercely independent eh? It's fairly typical of people who were
around during the depression era.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I see others recommending a dietician. Some are good, others have no
> common sense. I attended a couple of heart targeted meetings with my
> wife.
>
> Dietician: Don't drink milkshakes
> ME: Is milk OK
> D: Yes
> ME: How about small servings of ice cream?
> D: Yes
>
> D: Don't eat sausage.
> ME: Is ground pork OK if it is lean? (I make my own sausage)
> D: Yes.
> ME: But home made sausage?
> D: No

+1

The theories on fat in our diets are changing - best to make sure any
dietician one sees is current with the research and with a variety of
viewpoints.

-S-

On 11/20/2013 11:54 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:36:39 -0500, Nancy Young

>> It's not that I don't understand, I'd rather deal with stuff myself
>> and maybe people will find out after. But this is too much, she
>> should have instantly called one of us to take her.
>>
>
> Fiercely independent eh? It's fairly typical of people who were
> around during the depression era.

Yeah, it just burns her to be dependent on others. She was
very embarrassed that she needed help after breaking her
pelvis. Hasn't been a good year for her.

nancy

"bigwheel" > wrote in message
...
>
> Nanzi;1882190 Wrote:
>> My hubby of 47 1/2 years has just survived a very serious heart episode.
>> I know he will be on a cardiac diet, but I don't know much about them. I
>> can look it up, and I'm sure we will come home with literature.....I am
>> looking to hear that it isn't going to taste like cardboard to eat for
>> the rest of our lives!!
>>
>> Anyone on this forum on one of these??
>>
>> nan in de
>
> Best bet is turn him into a Raw Vegan. That can cure anything. These
> folks can help.
> 'Living and Raw Foods Community Support'
> (http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/)
>
Veganism is unhealthy!
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-8803/...c-illness.html

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1728051

Also:
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...o-eating-meat/

Graham

On 11/20/2013 10:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 11/20/2013 9:28 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:46:13 -0500, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The doctor has her going to Manhattan for the procedure. She
>>>> figured she'd just take the bus. Grrr. She's too much.
>>>
>>> I don't know what the Dr's are going to think about that. Hubby went
>>> in for something less worrisome and thought he'd drive himself in both
>>> directions, but they wouldn't release him until I came to pick him up.
>>> Maybe they'll let her take the bus if she stays a required length of
>>> time for observation, but they don't like to knock patients out and
>>> then send them on their merry way without knowing someone is with
>>> them. Would she agree to take the bus in and a taxi back? If so, I'd
>>> clear it with the hospital or her Dr first - because they might
>>> require a longer stay if she is unaccompanied.
>>
>> Oh, thank you, no, she is NOT taking the bus. She only thought
>> she'd take the bus. She has three grown children living in the area,
>> we are on it.
>>
>> It's not that I don't understand, I'd rather deal with stuff myself
>> and maybe people will find out after. But this is too much, she
>> should have instantly called one of us to take her.
>
> Quite a woman!!!
>
Nancy's mom sounds a bit like one of my elderly aunts. She has children
living nearby but she just *hates* to bother any of them.

Jill

On 11/19/2013 11:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> My mother called me today to say that she is going in for a stent.
> They're making it sound like nothing, she'll be at Thanksgiving
> dinner the day after. I'm nervous as hell about it.

I know you worry, who wouldn't? Best wishes for it to be the non-event
they seem to think it will be.

Jill