On 11/24/2013 9:48 AM, rosie wrote:
>> Jill has always been pretty level headed in the years I"ve know here
>> >
>> >from RFC. She made a choice and it is the right one for her. IMO,
>> >
>> >that is very smart.
> I think if a person chooses to have kids ot not, it is their choice and shoud not be criticised in any way.

Until they start spouting off about what kids do or do not respond to...

On 11/24/2013 9:50 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> I think if a person chooses to have kids ot not, it is their choice and
>> >shoud not be criticised in any way.
> oh come now. There are some parents that are disasters, and should be
> criticized in every way.
>
>
That's Bryan's Song.

On 11/24/2013 10:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> I think if a person chooses to have kids ot not, it is their choice
>> and shoud not be criticised in any way.
>
> I agree absolutely!
>
Of course you do!

On 11/24/2013 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
> In my next life, I won't have any children. They are a blessing young
> up until high school, then they become a pain in the ass and worry
> you. then even as adults, they can still be a pain. I love my
> daughter so very much but there is always issues.
>
> G.
Chicken/egg?

You broke it, you bought it...

On 11/24/2013 10:26 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:51:53 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> A pretty package will attract a toddler and anything that can fit in
>> their mouth might very well end up in there.
>
> Some toddlers are more oral than others. Everything goes into their
> mouth, especially when they are teething. Some don't get over it, my
> grandson was literally chewing on the furniture even when he was 3...
> I ended up buying him puppy chew toys to give him acceptable
> alternatives.
>
Good for cleaning the teeth too...

On 2013-11-24 9:41 AM, Gary wrote:
> Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> I'm sure most people would chose living parents today over
>>> the inheritance that they received.
>>>
>> My father was an asshole. Good riddance. I need to go to the cemetery
>> sometime, and snap a picture of me ****ing on his tombstone. Then I can
>> Photoshop out the forbidden bits, and put it on my FB page.
>
>

He can sarcastically thank the old man for giving him his personality.

On 11/24/2013 10:36 AM, sf wrote:
>> Actually it's: "Behind every successful man, there's a woman, because his
>> >wallet is in his back pocket!"
>> >Graham
>> >
> I thought it was "Behind every successful man there is a surprised
> woman."
>
> --
That's the Pelosi formula.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > In my next life, I won't have any children. They are a blessing young
> > up until high school, then they become a pain in the ass and worry
> > you. then even as adults, they can still be a pain. I love my
> > daughter so very much but there is always issues.
>
> lol but the grands make up for it, no?

The grand children are so cool but they wear me out when they all
visit. Once they leave, I think, "Thank God they're gone and I'll go
to bed now." hahah I'm so old.

G.

On 2013-11-24 11:48 AM, rosie wrote:

>> Jill has always been pretty level headed in the years I"ve know
>> here
>>
>> from RFC. She made a choice and it is the right one for her.
>> IMO,
>>
>> that is very smart.
>
> I think if a person chooses to have kids ot not, it is their choice
> and shoud not be criticised in any way.
>


I can think of some people who should be very strongly urged not to have
children.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>> > In my next life, I won't have any children. They are a blessing young
>> > up until high school, then they become a pain in the ass and worry
>> > you. then even as adults, they can still be a pain. I love my
>> > daughter so very much but there is always issues.
>>
>> lol but the grands make up for it, no?
>
> The grand children are so cool but they wear me out when they all
> visit. Once they leave, I think, "Thank God they're gone and I'll go
> to bed now." hahah I'm so old.

Not at all) That is the joys of having grands ... enjoy them and then
send them home)

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On 11/24/2013 12:47 PM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> On 11/24/2013 7:11 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> As Janet somebody (Boswick?) said, "Toddlers put everything in their
>>> mouths." something like that...and that's so very true. Those kiddies
>>> aren't hungry, everything that will fit in their mouths will probably
>>> end up there. Parents have to super child-proof the house but even
>>> then accidents can happen so they have to be constantly supervised.
>>> (same thing now with my ferret).
>>
>> Gary, I saw a clip of someone's ferret who was stealing rolls of toilet
>> paper and hiding them in a pile somewhere hidden. Made me laugh.
>
> You want to hear from me? First hand experience? I brought home a 24
> roll pack of toilet paper one day and set in on the bathroom floor.
> Hours later, this is what I found:
> http://i44.tinypic.com/286zsrc.jpg They seem to LOVE shredding tp and
> paper towels.
>
Awww It looks like a make-your-own-bed project/contest
Thankfully my cat has never been interested in toilet paper. (The empty
cardboard tube as a toy, yes.)

>> I don't have children, either. I have 3 younger brothers, one a
>> decade younger. I did my share of watching kids. Don't anyone
>> get excited, I'm not trying to say it's the same as being a parent
>> but childless doesn't mean you have no experience.
>>
Fun story: My nephew was around quite a bit when he was a toddler and
then older. Broken home... his mother was a hippy-dippy type who wanted
a career as a singer. My oldest brother requested and got custody. But
nephew caused a lot of aggravation.

I tried to help out but the kid was unruly. Brother had to work and by
the time the kid was 10 he was ditching school. I was the emergency
contact the school had, so I had to take off work and bring him home
with me. He begged me not to call his dad. This after asking if we
could stop and rent a video on the way home from school. NO. This is
not your day off! And yes, I'm calling your dad.

Fortunately, my nephew is now in his 30's and self-reliant. Kids do
manage to grow up.

>> At this point I wouldn't know what to do with kids except to keep
>> stuff like candy looking detergent away from them.
>
> My apartment is not child-proofed anymore. I have to make changes
> anytime the grandchilden come over.
>
> G.
>
What sort of changes do you make when the grandkids come over?

Jill

On 11/24/2013 11:11 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> My apartment is not child-proofed anymore. I have to make changes
>> anytime the grandchilden come over.
>>
>> G.
>>
> What sort of changes do you make when the grandkids come over?
>
> Jill

I think he unloads all the handguns...

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "gtr" > wrote in message speaking of Earl

>> Scumbag alert. The same old scumbag with a new ID alert.
>
> +1

+2

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...


> I never see a word he types until someone replies to the fidiot.
>
> Jill

That's why I clipped what he said. He never posts anything worthwhile. :-)

Cheri

"Pearl Buck" > wrote in message
...

> On 11/24/2013 8:28 AM, Pico Rico wrote:

>> yes, and if you hadn't changed your ID, I wouldn't have had to add you to
>> my
>> KF again. I hope you are sorry about that, too.
>>
>>
> Such drama, such emotion, such ire!

LOL

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

> No kidding. Some parents never should have been. I know of many horror
> stories of young kids growing up in very bad environments. Many of
> those adult children fill our prison populations now. Some have gone
> on to be successful but many others are just messed up adults.
>
> G.


Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
wrong.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> Thank you, Rosie. My body, my choice. We can only hope "Earl" didn't
> procreate.
>
> Jill


Absolutely, on all counts. :-)

Cehri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> No kidding. Some parents never should have been. I know of many horror
>> stories of young kids growing up in very bad environments. Many of
>> those adult children fill our prison populations now. Some have gone
>> on to be successful but many others are just messed up adults.
>>
>> G.
>
>
> Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
> wrong.

Very true!


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>jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/23/2013 3:15 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> gregz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There have been many deaths to children who ingest colorful pods,
>>>>>> pucks, or whatever. Tide dishwasher pods look like a bowl of candy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently read that there has been 9200 incidents in the ER so far.
>>>>> They are colorful and a toddler could be attracted to it. I imagine
>>>>> many would spit it out but probably many swallowed some and it
>>>>> would be
>>>>> caustic.
>>>>
>>>> Then kid-proof the cabinets or store the stuff where a toddler can't
>>>> get
>>>> into it and has no reason to think about it.
>>>
>>> It's obvious that you never had kids or been responsible for other's
>>> kids, or you'd know that NOTHING is safe from kids... if there
>>> is some way a kid can get hurt or hurt others they will find it.
>>
>> I don't hide the fact I've never had kids.

Not admonishing you for not having kids but even people who don't have
kids realize that kids can and will get into everything.

On 2013-11-24 2:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> No kidding. Some parents never should have been. I know of many horror
>> stories of young kids growing up in very bad environments. Many of
>> those adult children fill our prison populations now. Some have gone
>> on to be successful but many others are just messed up adults.
>>
>> G.
>
>
> Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
> wrong.
>

Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have a
disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad neighbourhoods
and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of kids in preppy
private schools and compare them with a class picture from an inner city
school. Consider the odds of kids in those two pictures being convicted
or or a victim of a violent crime.

On 11/24/2013 12:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>


>> In my next life, I won't have any children. They are a blessing young
>> up until high school, then they become a pain in the ass and worry
>> you. then even as adults, they can still be a pain. I love my
>> daughter so very much but there is always issues.
>
> lol but the grands make up for it, no?
>

No, if you mean the one that moved in with us when he turned 21.

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:20:34 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > "gtr" > wrote in message speaking of Earl
>
> >> Scumbag alert. The same old scumbag with a new ID alert.
> >
> > +1
>
> +2

I thought Earl always posts as Earl. Who else is he?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:49:10 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2013-11-24 2:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > "Gary" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> No kidding. Some parents never should have been. I know of many horror
> >> stories of young kids growing up in very bad environments. Many of
> >> those adult children fill our prison populations now. Some have gone
> >> on to be successful but many others are just messed up adults.
> >>
> >> G.
> >
> >
> > Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
> > wrong.
> >
>
> Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
> occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have a
> disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad neighbourhoods
> and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of kids in preppy
> private schools and compare them with a class picture from an inner city
> school. Consider the odds of kids in those two pictures being convicted
> or or a victim of a violent crime.

Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
it's as plain as the nose on your face.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/24/2013 12:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>
>>> In my next life, I won't have any children. They are a blessing young
>>> up until high school, then they become a pain in the ass and worry
>>> you. then even as adults, they can still be a pain. I love my
>>> daughter so very much but there is always issues.
>>
>> lol but the grands make up for it, no?
>>
>
> No, if you mean the one that moved in with us when he turned 21.

ahhhhhhh .... hard work eh?

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:27:02 +1100, John J > wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:28:40 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:52:46 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 6:51:53 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm sure most people would chose living parents today over
> >> > the inheritance that they received.
> >> >
> >> My father was an asshole. Good riddance. I need to go to the cemetery
> >> sometime, and snap a picture of me ****ing on his tombstone. Then I can
> >> Photoshop out the forbidden bits, and put it on my FB page.
> >> >
> >Not everyone is blessed with the father from My Three Sons and I think
> >the meanest ones are usually too ornery to die, so you were lucky in
> >that regard.
>
> One day you may regret enabling him.

Unlikely. I don't know who the hell you are but Bryan has been around
forever and when he goes off the deep end, he resides in my kill file
until he adjusts his attitude... just like anyone else who ****es me
off.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Gary wrote:
>
>Jill never raised a child so she just doesn't realize that it's not so
>simple as she thinks. What she remembers is NOT all that went on. That
>doesn't make her a potential bad parent, she's just guessing how to
>solve a problem that she's never encountered. If only it were that
>easy.

For many people it's better not to have children, only they don't find
out until after the fact. Knowing what I know now I'd not have
children. In most instances that I've encountered children do a lot
of taking and very little giving, they use up a parent's and society's
energy and resources and then go off rarely looking back unless they
want something. Not all, but for most people I know their children
return very little pleasure... many parents simply won't admit that
their children are leeches, but I see it. I get far more happiness
from my cats, and they ask for very little, they give a lot more than
they take. Jill is a good citizen, there are way too many people on
this planet, most leeches. Unfortunately, like others with no
children, Jill is paying a goodly portion of raising all the overly
prolific douchebag's little leeches.

On 2013-11-24 20:10:26 +0000, sf said:

> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:20:34 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "gtr" > wrote in message speaking of Earl
>>
>>>> Scumbag alert. The same old scumbag with a new ID alert.
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>> +2
>
> I thought Earl always posts as Earl. Who else is he?

I don't know who my response was. I guess that's how usenet works.

On 2013-11-24 20:23:19 +0000, sf said:

> Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
> lawyers.

Part of it, and in some cases all o fit.

> You need look no further than a current case that involves a
> Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
> lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
> released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
> represent him adequately. What a crock.

He must have represented him adequately becaus he was expensive?

> He killed Martha Moxley and it's as plain as the nose on your face.

There are so many many things that are as plain as the on any of our
respective faces at any given time, based on what information we've
been given at the time. That's why we have 12 noses on each jury,
unless, of course less noses are needed.

One of the things that apparently loosened the grip on Skakel has to do
with an uncontested witness. Now contested, quite damning information
begins to crumble.

I'm not saying whomever Nancy Grace rules guilty before the trial
begins isn't truly guilty, mind you. Just giving the rationale by which
a (lying, thieving, likely on-the-take) judge might have use considered
it.

On 2013-11-24 3:23 PM, sf wrote:

>>> Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
>> occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have a
>> disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad neighbourhoods
>> and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of kids in preppy
>> private schools and compare them with a class picture from an inner city
>> school. Consider the odds of kids in those two pictures being convicted
>> or or a victim of a violent crime.
>
> Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
> lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
> Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
> lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
> released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
> represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
> it's as plain as the nose on your face.



Like I said... compare the class pictures and compare the odds of a kid
in one of those classes being a violent criminal or victim of violent
crime. The vast majority of violent criminals come from the lower rungs
on the social ladder. You know about Skakel because he is connected to
a wealthy family. For every one of them there are thousands of unconnected.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-11-24 2:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> No kidding. Some parents never should have been. I know of many horror
>>> stories of young kids growing up in very bad environments. Many of
>>> those adult children fill our prison populations now. Some have gone
>>> on to be successful but many others are just messed up adults.
>>>
>>> G.
>>
>>
>> Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
>> wrong.
>>
>
> Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
> occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have a
> disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad neighbourhoods
> and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of kids in preppy
> private schools and compare them with a class picture from an inner city
> school. Consider the odds of kids in those two pictures being convicted or
> or a victim of a violent crime.
>


So, what's your point? I didn't say all, I said some, and *some* very
privileged preppy kids do turn out bad...like the Menendez Brothers, Philip
Markoff...just to name a couple.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:49:10 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2013-11-24 2:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> > "Gary" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> >> No kidding. Some parents never should have been. I know of many horror
>> >> stories of young kids growing up in very bad environments. Many of
>> >> those adult children fill our prison populations now. Some have gone
>> >> on to be successful but many others are just messed up adults.
>> >>
>> >> G.
>> >
>> >
>> > Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go
>> > very
>> > wrong.
>> >
>>
>> Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
>> occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have a
>> disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad neighbourhoods
>> and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of kids in preppy
>> private schools and compare them with a class picture from an inner city
>> school. Consider the odds of kids in those two pictures being convicted
>> or or a victim of a violent crime.
>
> Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
> lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
> Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
> lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
> released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
> represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
> it's as plain as the nose on your face.

Yes he did.

Cheri

On 11/24/2013 4:04 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>>
>> Jill never raised a child so she just doesn't realize that it's not so
>> simple as she thinks. What she remembers is NOT all that went on. That
>> doesn't make her a potential bad parent, she's just guessing how to
>> solve a problem that she's never encountered. If only it were that
>> easy.
>
> For many people it's better not to have children, only they don't find
> out until after the fact. Knowing what I know now I'd not have
> children. In most instances that I've encountered children do a lot
> of taking and very little giving, they use up a parent's and society's
> energy and resources and then go off rarely looking back unless they
> want something. Not all, but for most people I know their children
> return very little pleasure... many parents simply won't admit that
> their children are leeches, but I see it. I get far more happiness
> from my cats, and they ask for very little, they give a lot more than
> they take. Jill is a good citizen, there are way too many people on
> this planet, most leeches. Unfortunately, like others with no
> children, Jill is paying a goodly portion of raising all the overly
> prolific douchebag's little leeches.
>
Um, thank you, Sheldon. I think. <G> The way I look at it, my parents
took care of me. And when they needed me, I took care of them. Not for
as many years, no. It's a shame my mom waited so long to ask for help.
By the time she asked, Dad was so far gone he didn't recognize me.

Jill

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

> this planet, most leeches. Unfortunately, like others with no
> children, Jill is paying a goodly portion of raising all the overly
> prolific douchebag's little leeches.


True, but that can be said for most things when one doesn't have a dog in
the hunt, you still have to pay for a whole lot of things whether you use
them or not. Such is life.

Cheri

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:03:31 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2013-11-24 3:23 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >>> Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
> >>> wrong.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
> >> occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have a
> >> disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad neighbourhoods
> >> and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of kids in preppy
> >> private schools and compare them with a class picture from an inner city
> >> school. Consider the odds of kids in those two pictures being convicted
> >> or or a victim of a violent crime.
> >
> > Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
> > lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
> > Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
> > lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
> > released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
> > represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
> > it's as plain as the nose on your face.
>
>
>
> Like I said... compare the class pictures and compare the odds of a kid
> in one of those classes being a violent criminal or victim of violent
> crime. The vast majority of violent criminals come from the lower rungs
> on the social ladder. You know about Skakel because he is connected to
> a wealthy family. For every one of them there are thousands of unconnected.

We know about Skakel because he did what he did it to an equally
wealthy family - so his family's wealth couldn't beat the victim's
family down and buy him a pardon... unfortunately, it seems like the
money gods and a skanky lawyer may end up weaseling him out of jail
after all.

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On 2013-11-24 23:24:10 +0000, sf said:

> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:03:31 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2013-11-24 3:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>>> Then there are those that grow up in good environments and still go very
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
>>>> occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have a
>>>> disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad neighbourhoods
>>>> and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of kids in preppy
>>>> private schools and compare them with a class picture from an inner city
>>>> school. Consider the odds of kids in those two pictures being convicted
>>>> or or a victim of a violent crime.
>>>
>>> Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
>>> lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
>>> Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
>>> lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
>>> released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
>>> represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
>>> it's as plain as the nose on your face.
>>
>>
>>
>> Like I said... compare the class pictures and compare the odds of a kid
>> in one of those classes being a violent criminal or victim of violent
>> crime. The vast majority of violent criminals come from the lower rungs
>> on the social ladder. You know about Skakel because he is connected to
>> a wealthy family. For every one of them there are thousands of unconnected.
>
> We know about Skakel because he did what he did it to an equally
> wealthy family - so his family's wealth couldn't beat the victim's
> family down and buy him a pardon...

.... after 25 years.

> unfortunately, it seems like the
> money gods and a skanky lawyer may end up weaseling him out of jail
> after all.

On 2013-11-24 23:11:51 +0000, Cheri said:

>> Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
>> lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
>> Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
>> lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
>> released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
>> represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
>> it's as plain as the nose on your face.
>
> Yes he did.

Knowing that I know little about most "court tv drama", and assuming
there are vast amounts of information I'll never have, and further that
the "court tv media" will pimp their viewpoints over the facts (Nancy
Grace's verdict is always "guilty", then we go to trial), I feel quite
comfortable saying I don't know anything about Skakel's guilt or
innocence--and likely never will.

Every year it seems we have more folks being released after we find out
how crooked the DA's crew was, or how crooked the lab technitians or
forensic crew is. I saw all six hours of "The Staircase" last week, and
another on the West Memphis 3 last month. The Dallas DA's office was
once more crooked than not, so that reviews begun in 2001 have already
exonerated 41 convicted men.

I feel quite sure Nancy Grace would have been just as assured that the
41 men were thoroughly guilty.

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:45:08 AM UTC-6, Pearl Buck wrote:
> On 11/24/2013 7:41 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> > Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Gary wrote:
>
> >>> I'm sure most people would chose living parents today over
>
> >>> the inheritance that they received.
>
> >>>
>
> >> My father was an asshole. Good riddance. I need to go to the cemetery
>
> >> sometime, and snap a picture of me ****ing on his tombstone. Then I can
>
> >> Photoshop out the forbidden bits, and put it on my FB page.
>
> >
>
> > wow.
>
> >
>
> > G.
>
> >
>
> Abuse is a nasty thing, eh?

He stopped hitting me when I was 4--I think he knew I might stab him to death
in his sleep if he didn't--and what was left wasn't tantamount to abuse,
just assholishness.

--Bryan sex+

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:06:18 -0800, gtr > wrote:

> On 2013-11-24 23:11:51 +0000, Cheri said:
>
> >> Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
> >> lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
> >> Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
> >> lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
> >> released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
> >> represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
> >> it's as plain as the nose on your face.
> >
> > Yes he did.
>
> Knowing that I know little about most "court tv drama", and assuming
> there are vast amounts of information I'll never have, and further that
> the "court tv media" will pimp their viewpoints over the facts (Nancy
> Grace's verdict is always "guilty", then we go to trial), I feel quite
> comfortable saying I don't know anything about Skakel's guilt or
> innocence--and likely never will.
>
> Every year it seems we have more folks being released after we find out
> how crooked the DA's crew was, or how crooked the lab technitians or
> forensic crew is. I saw all six hours of "The Staircase" last week, and
> another on the West Memphis 3 last month. The Dallas DA's office was
> once more crooked than not, so that reviews begun in 2001 have already
> exonerated 41 convicted men.
>
> I feel quite sure Nancy Grace would have been just as assured that the
> 41 men were thoroughly guilty.

Why do you keep bringing up Nancy Grace?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 11/24/2013 6:10 PM, Cheri wrote:

>>
>> Consider the numbers and the types of crimes. While there may be the
>> occasional well bred and wealthy killer, far more of the killers have
>> a disadvantaged background, little money, bad parents, bad
>> neighbourhoods and bad choices. Seriously, look at class pictures of
>> kids in preppy private schools and compare them with a class picture
>> from an inner city school. Consider the odds of kids in those two
>> pictures being convicted or or a victim of a violent crime.
>>
>
>
> So, what's your point? I didn't say all, I said some, and *some* very
> privileged preppy kids do turn out bad...like the Menendez Brothers,
> Philip Markoff...just to name a couple.
>
\
I would have thought that my point was pretty obvious..... that there
are a small number or violent crimes committed by the supposedly well
bred. You can name a small number of them because their being rich and
their being the exceptional case makes headlines. Meanwhile, many
thousands of murders are committed by the more or less disenfranchised.
You may hear of one or two preppy murders per year in the US. Meanwhile
there are close to 400 murders in Detroit alone. Internationally there
is a pretty high corelation between poverty and murder rates.

Exceptions do not make the rule, but feel free to live in denial.

"gtr" > wrote in message news:20131124160618971-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-11-24 23:11:51 +0000, Cheri said:
>
>>> Part of it has to do with how much money they have to spend on
>>> lawyers. You need look no further than a current case that involves a
>>> Kennedy relative, Michael Skakel. Yes, in spite of having the best
>>> lawyer money could buy at the time - his new lawyer just got him
>>> released from jail on bail by claiming his original lawyer didn't
>>> represent him adequately. What a crock. He killed Martha Moxley and
>>> it's as plain as the nose on your face.
>>
>> Yes he did.
>
> Knowing that I know little about most "court tv drama", and assuming there
> are vast amounts of information I'll never have, and further that the
> "court tv media" will pimp their viewpoints over the facts (Nancy Grace's
> verdict is always "guilty", then we go to trial), I feel quite comfortable
> saying I don't know anything about Skakel's guilt or innocence--and likely
> never will.


I don't watch Nancy Grace, and most people do know, including Michael
Skakel.

Cheri