On 2013-12-07 14:32:46 +0000, sf said:

> On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 02:04:00 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2013 12:33 AM, gtr wrote:
>>> On 2013-12-07 04:50:06 +0000, said:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 17:22:25 -0800, gtr > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-12-06 20:24:12 +0000, said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The other difficulty is that now one might take someone on, everything
>>>>>> seems good, then illness hits.
>>>>>
>>>>> The more you love they more you risk...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but throwing down towels was not something I could tolerate, nor
>>>>>> did I wish to alter, not worth it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, everybody makes their own investment decisions. For some, eating
>>>>> peas one at a time with a fork is a deal breaker...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides I have to admit he was young enough that when we were out I
>>>>>> worried I would a) meet one of my kids b) have a waiter say 'does your
>>>>>> mother want another drink?' - so jettisoning seemed a good solution
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood. My item 3:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is 3 or more years younger than I
>>>>
>>>> Nah three or more years is okay
>>>
>>> To each their own. When I make cultural references I don't like having
>>> to explain them like some history teacher.
>>>
>> It sounds like you're talking about what could a 70 year old have in
>> common with a 20 year old. (*That* I DO wonder about.) But a few years
>> difference in age? I don't see a problem with that. Not if you share
>> common interests, have things to talk about, enjoy each other's company.
>>
> I'm with gtr on the age thing.

I find it interesting that my list is a source of debate, but more
notable that nobody else has critieria of interest, just a viewpoint on
my criteria.

wrote:
>
> You sound cool and you never know what the future holds, maybe even
> another ferret

That's an ongoing debate with me here lately. I don't really care
about a mate for me but it bothers me about my last ferret who lost
her mate in October. She's doing fine but i just know that she would
be so much happier if I got another one. She would go absolutely
ballistic if one day I set another ferret in front of her. You watch
the two of them sleeping together and playing together and you just
know that a pair of them is the right thing. She plays with me alot
but I'm not the same as another ferret.

I do *connect* with them and I know she would love another mate. I'm
just tired of the heartbreak of having to lose and bury one every 3
years or so. It's a perpetual cycle that I'd love to break.

That said....I've got the one sweetheart that will be somewhat lonely
for the rest of her life if I don't get another one. I probably
will...I'm a sucker and am probably doomed to have to grieve and bury
one every 3 years or so for the rest of my miserable life just to keep
the darn surviving ferrets happy.

G.

On 2013-12-07 14:21:22 +0000, Cheri said:

> > wrote in message
>
>> OTOH the young woman with the old man is looking (generally) for
>> everything to be paid for and to receive gifts of all sorts. I'm not
>> into paying.
>
> There's a lot of truth in that. You don't see a lot of young women
> running with a much older man who works at a car wash (yes I know
> working at a car wash is honest work, but it's not really high paying)
> or some such.

When I was 30 I was going out with 20-somethings. When I was 40 I was
still going out with 20-somethings. The reason was that I was in a
work circumstances where there was a very high volume of young people
comeing through. It was my one source.

They didn't want or expect gifts and freebies. If my age had a value
for them it was that I was wiser and more knowledgeable and they
leveraged that for their utility. But it was wearisome for me in a lot
of cultural ways. It did, of course, have it's benefits.

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120707441378163-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-12-07 10:26:51 +0000, Ophelia said:
>
>> I've sung in choirs since I was a child but he can't hit any note He
>> does it sometimes on purpose and it makes us giggle.
>
> Bingo! That's the way it oughta be.

There is a lot of fun around in this marriage)

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"gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120707470469486-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-12-07 12:50:14 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:55:10 -0800, gtr > wrote:
>>
>>>> Or they just can't sing, they *know* they can't sing...
>>>
>>> Everybody can sing. I think you're talking about "good" and "bad"
>>> singing, but I'm not.
>>
>> I think I can prove you wrong on that. Won't take me more than a few
>> notes.
>
> To prove your bad? I've just said, I don't CARE whether it's good or
> bad, people sing. PERIOD. You can't find me a child that can't sing,
> but eventually they get hung up on the good/bad thing. Same with
> dancing and every other joyous thing that seems to get beaten out of
> many of us.

Yes, and it is very sad

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On 2013-12-07 9:59 AM, James Silverton wrote:

>> I'm not a particularly neat person, but what kind of pig would leave a
>> towel, wet or dry, on the floor?
>>
>
> Ever been to a "green" hotel where the signal to replace a towel is to
> leave it on the bathroom floor? Hung up is the opposite signal; leave it.


I made that mistake when I had a shower in a hotel in Denmark. I dropped
the towel and my clothes on the floor when I had my shower. Showers
over the are commonly surrounded by a curtain and have drain on the
floor and may or may not have a lip around the edge. I was careful but
I still managed to soak the towel and my pants. Luckily, they were
Tilley pants, which dry quickly, and I was headed to bed anyway.

After that I left my clothes in the the other room while I showered.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>>
>> You sound cool and you never know what the future holds, maybe even
>> another ferret
>
> That's an ongoing debate with me here lately. I don't really care
> about a mate for me but it bothers me about my last ferret who lost
> her mate in October. She's doing fine but i just know that she would
> be so much happier if I got another one. She would go absolutely
> ballistic if one day I set another ferret in front of her. You watch
> the two of them sleeping together and playing together and you just
> know that a pair of them is the right thing. She plays with me alot
> but I'm not the same as another ferret.
>
> I do *connect* with them and I know she would love another mate. I'm
> just tired of the heartbreak of having to lose and bury one every 3
> years or so. It's a perpetual cycle that I'd love to break.
>
> That said....I've got the one sweetheart that will be somewhat lonely
> for the rest of her life if I don't get another one. I probably
> will...I'm a sucker and am probably doomed to have to grieve and bury
> one every 3 years or so for the rest of my miserable life just to keep
> the darn surviving ferrets happy.

It is very hard when you lose a much loved pet.

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On 2013-12-07 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:

> And that is very admirable of you. Divorce is so common these days.
> People just give up too quickly on a relationship any more. It saddens
> me. The marriage vows should be taken seriously but they don't seem
> to be these days.
>
> I so admire and envy couples that stay together over time, and weather
> the storms. Then they finally grow old together and still love each
> other. (sigh)
>
>

Diminished hearing helps.

> wrote in message
...

> In fact the eldest, when I asked him to fix the lawn mower for me and
> made the comment that I was being a bloody nuisance asking him to do
> it remarked to me there was no way I could be a nuisance to him that I
> had taught him to row, to sail, to use and fix the outboard and that
> he owed me. It was a heart melting moment for me.

When so much love is given it is returned in spades) What a lovely moment
and well deserved


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On 2013-12-07 15:55:43 +0000, Ophelia said:

> "gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120707441378163-xxx@yyyzzz...
>> On 2013-12-07 10:26:51 +0000, Ophelia said:
>>
>>> I've sung in choirs since I was a child but he can't hit any note He
>>> does it sometimes on purpose and it makes us giggle.
>>
>> Bingo! That's the way it oughta be.
>
> There is a lot of fun around in this marriage)

In ye olden times everybody everywhere sang in the parlor with a piano
or guitar. Even in my lifetime it wasn't until somewhere in the 60's
that opening your mouth and singing became a cultural taboo, and
something that had to be compared against "good" and "bad" singing.

I've sung professionally since I was 15. I can sing in half a dozen
styles and as many voice "types". Still, in settings with people I
don't know, if I were to say, "What's that song that goes like this..."
and issue three notes, people are whining and putting their fingers in
their ears. They haven't even heard it yet.

What they are telling me is this: "Singing is uncool. It's a
frightening statement of vulnerability that even makes me cringe at the
possibility of embarrassment FOR YOU." That's my conclusion.

On 2013-12-07 10:41 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:01:53 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2013-12-06 11:46 PM, wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 17:55:18 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By the same token, a lot of women are looking for *younger* men! They don't
>>>>> want to look after someone but they sure as hell want to *be* looked after
>>>>> and the trouble is, they don't seem to be aware of the double standard!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They have to be young enough to be able to pick up wet towels and to
>>>> have a job to take her out to dinner. Someone might be expected to go
>>>> out and cut the lawn on a hot day because that is man's work, but if he
>>>> drops a wet towel on the floor and forgets to pick it up.... there is
>>>> hell to pay.
>>>> There is indeed a double standard.
>>>>
>>> My, my, methinks you both do protest too much. I ask for nothing but
>>> a good time but you can pick your own damned towels up!
>>>
>>
>> Sorry. I must have misread. I had realized that you were doing all the
>> yard work and picking up the tabs. ;-)
>
> Well yes actually - for about twenty years as my husband declined I
> picked up all work - and did not mind, he couldn't help it. I did all
> the yardwork, mowing, snow clearing, tree trimming. I also maintained
> and cared for our boat. I did all the driving as well, though he
> could drive the boat which was the main reason we kept it.
>
> Perhaps it just made me notice it more and not relish the thought of
> picking up the reins again for two when I could do it for just one. So
> try and imply I am lazy, anyone who knows me would tell you I was
> never that !

Lazy? Did I even once suggest lazy? My concern was that you would end a
relationship over a damp towel on the floor. I am hoping that was just
part of a more serious issue.
>

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/7/2013 9:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> A lot of the comments were about dead beat dads. A lot of them expressed
>> contempt for a system that would order him to pay such outrageous child
>> support. That monthly support works out to $96,000 per year. That means
>> he has to gross about $150,000 just to pay child support. Hard to do
>> when you are out of work. No wonder the guy has disappeared. I could
>> understand it if he had a break down, or if he just didn't want to have
>> to work all year just to pay child support.
>
> In a regular family together, if dad loses his job they suck it up and do
> what they must to survive. When a divorced dad paying support loses his
> job, he is still obligated to pay.
>
There was a case in Canada where the court ordered payments left the guy, a
teacher, nothing to live on. He was so stressed out he committed suicide.
Graham

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120708070959836-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-12-07 15:55:43 +0000, Ophelia said:
>
>> "gtr" > wrote in message
>> news:2013120707441378163-xxx@yyyzzz...
>>> On 2013-12-07 10:26:51 +0000, Ophelia said:
>>>
>>>> I've sung in choirs since I was a child but he can't hit any note He
>>>> does it sometimes on purpose and it makes us giggle.
>>>
>>> Bingo! That's the way it oughta be.
>>
>> There is a lot of fun around in this marriage)
>
> In ye olden times everybody everywhere sang in the parlor with a piano or
> guitar. Even in my lifetime it wasn't until somewhere in the 60's that
> opening your mouth and singing became a cultural taboo, and something that
> had to be compared against "good" and "bad" singing.
>
> I've sung professionally since I was 15. I can sing in half a dozen styles
> and as many voice "types". Still, in settings with people I don't know, if
> I were to say, "What's that song that goes like this..." and issue three
> notes, people are whining and putting their fingers in their ears. They
> haven't even heard it yet.
>
> What they are telling me is this: "Singing is uncool. It's a frightening
> statement of vulnerability that even makes me cringe at the possibility of
> embarrassment FOR YOU." That's my conclusion.

What a lot they miss out on What is your favourite kind of music? I love
operatic and orchestral, but I also like country and I adored Elvis)

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> wrote in message
news
> You're lucky, I have this ingrate cat that could care less about me,
> she belonged to a woman who had a condo in the building and died. She
> had nobody and the public trustee was going to put the cat down so the
> super said I might be prevailed upon as I had just lost my old 18 year
> old cat. So I took her, the only thing I knew was a vets bill showed
> she was 12 at the time and I have now had her six years and she still
> ignores me She's a Persian Himalayan and I have heard that they
> tend to be like that but it does't really matter, I just know she is!

You have a good heart!

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In article >, says...

> I so admire and envy couples that stay together over time, and weather
> the storms.

Maybe you should be asking Ophelia what happened to her first
marriage.

Janet UK

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:01:27 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>> In fact the eldest, when I asked him to fix the lawn mower for me and
>>> made the comment that I was being a bloody nuisance asking him to do
>>> it remarked to me there was no way I could be a nuisance to him that I
>>> had taught him to row, to sail, to use and fix the outboard and that
>>> he owed me. It was a heart melting moment for me.
>>
>>When so much love is given it is returned in spades) What a lovely
>>moment
>>and well deserved
>
> We have a strong bond and thankfully his fiancee is good with that.

I have a feeling that is said fiancé was not good with that, she wouldn't be
a fiancé for long

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"gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120707480564082-xxx@yyyzzz...

> I find it interesting that my list is a source of debate, but more notable
> that nobody else has critieria of interest, just a viewpoint on my
> criteria.

Well, what else do you expect but a discussion of your post when you post a
list?

Cheri

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>
>> I so admire and envy couples that stay together over time, and weather
>> the storms.
>
> Maybe you should be asking Ophelia what happened to her first
> marriage.

Ahh here comes the hate monger)) I have no idea what you are talking
about but don't let that stop you. And if you continue this hate campaign
you could be very sorry

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"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>
>> I so admire and envy couples that stay together over time, and weather
>> the storms.
>
> Maybe you should be asking Ophelia what happened to her first
> marriage.
>
Christ Janet! Do you have to be so spiteful?
Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> t...
>> In article >, says...
>>
>>> I so admire and envy couples that stay together over time, and weather
>>> the storms.
>>
>> Maybe you should be asking Ophelia what happened to her first
>> marriage.
>>
> Christ Janet! Do you have to be so spiteful?

Graham, it is all she knows.

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> wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:31:05 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:01:27 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> wrote in message
m...
>>>>
>>>>> In fact the eldest, when I asked him to fix the lawn mower for me and
>>>>> made the comment that I was being a bloody nuisance asking him to do
>>>>> it remarked to me there was no way I could be a nuisance to him that I
>>>>> had taught him to row, to sail, to use and fix the outboard and that
>>>>> he owed me. It was a heart melting moment for me.
>>>>
>>>>When so much love is given it is returned in spades) What a lovely
>>>>moment
>>>>and well deserved
>>>
>>> We have a strong bond and thankfully his fiancee is good with that.
>>
>>I have a feeling that is said fiancé was not good with that, she wouldn't
>>be
>>a fiancé for long
>
> She's so nice it's getting so HE would be in trouble with moi if he
> wasn't nice to her

lol I love it)))

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wrote:
>
> He had been ordered to pay $150 per month, not nearly enough, but $50
> once was all he ever paid. Waste of time petitioning to get it paid.

$50 more than I ever got. >:-o

G.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> It is very hard when you lose a much loved pet.

And it's also hard to live with the surviving one and knowing she
would be much happier with a new furry friend. arrghh!

For me: I really, REALLY don't want another one
For her: It would make the rest of her life so much happier.
Bottom line: dammit

G.

On 12/6/2013 11:43 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:20:19 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>> By the same token, a lot of women are looking for *younger* men! They don't
>> want to look after someone but they sure as hell want to *be* looked after
>> and the trouble is, they don't seem to be aware of the double standard!
>> Graham
>>
> Maybe but younger men often appreciate that 'older' women are not
> looking for a permanent meal ticket.

Given the difference in life expectancy, marrying a younger man
would lead to having outside help as you'll maybe both need help
at the same time.

nancy

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> It is very hard when you lose a much loved pet.
>
> And it's also hard to live with the surviving one and knowing she
> would be much happier with a new furry friend. arrghh!

Yes.

> For me: I really, REALLY don't want another one
> For her: It would make the rest of her life so much happier.
> Bottom line: dammit

Just a wee thought. Maybe she would be happy to have a companion to play
with, but if she were to choose between you and another ... I know who she
would choose ... don't you?

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On 2013-12-07 16:35:29 +0000, Cheri said:

> "gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120707480564082-xxx@yyyzzz...
>
>> I find it interesting that my list is a source of debate, but more
>> notable that nobody else has critieria of interest, just a viewpoint on
>> my criteria.
>
> Well, what else do you expect but a discussion of your post when you
> post a list?

I thought it would be obvious: Some of the things other people look for
as important in selecting a mate.

On 2013-12-07 15:57:04 +0000, Ophelia said:

> "gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120707470469486-xxx@yyyzzz...
>> On 2013-12-07 12:50:14 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
>>
>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:55:10 -0800, gtr > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Or they just can't sing, they *know* they can't sing...
>>>>
>>>> Everybody can sing. I think you're talking about "good" and "bad"
>>>> singing, but I'm not.
>>>
>>> I think I can prove you wrong on that. Won't take me more than a few
>>> notes.
>>
>> To prove your bad? I've just said, I don't CARE whether it's good or
>> bad, people sing. PERIOD. You can't find me a child that can't sing,
>> but eventually they get hung up on the good/bad thing. Same with
>> dancing and every other joyous thing that seems to get beaten out of
>> many of us.
>
> Yes, and it is very sad

Not so sad as no action at all...

On 2013-12-07 16:27:53 +0000, Ophelia said:

> "gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120708070959836-xxx@yyyzzz...
>> On 2013-12-07 15:55:43 +0000, Ophelia said:
>>
>>> "gtr" > wrote in message news:2013120707441378163-xxx@yyyzzz...
>>>> On 2013-12-07 10:26:51 +0000, Ophelia said:
>>>>
>>>>> I've sung in choirs since I was a child but he can't hit any note He
>>>>> does it sometimes on purpose and it makes us giggle.
>>>>
>>>> Bingo! That's the way it oughta be.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of fun around in this marriage)
>>
>> In ye olden times everybody everywhere sang in the parlor with a piano
>> or guitar. Even in my lifetime it wasn't until somewhere in the 60's
>> that opening your mouth and singing became a cultural taboo, and
>> something that had to be compared against "good" and "bad" singing.
>>
>> I've sung professionally since I was 15. I can sing in half a dozen
>> styles and as many voice "types". Still, in settings with people I
>> don't know, if I were to say, "What's that song that goes like this..."
>> and issue three notes, people are whining and putting their fingers in
>> their ears. They haven't even heard it yet.
>>
>> What they are telling me is this: "Singing is uncool. It's a
>> frightening statement of vulnerability that even makes me cringe at the
>> possibility of embarrassment FOR YOU." That's my conclusion.
>
> What a lot they miss out on What is your favourite kind of music? I
> love operatic and orchestral, but I also like country and I adored
> Elvis)

That's like what's my favorite food. I like and play Jazz (cool, swing,
antique, bop), Brazilian musics (samba, bossa nova, choro), rock of
myriad kinds (though not much post 1990), Indian musics, some Asian
musics. Over the past few years I've been pursuing French Chanson with
a lot of vigor. We go to opera rather than listen at home, and I have
spates of enthusiasm with orchestral stuff, mostly romantic and later.

In short--damn near everything.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >> It is very hard when you lose a much loved pet.
> >
> > And it's also hard to live with the surviving one and knowing she
> > would be much happier with a new furry friend. arrghh!
>
> Yes.
>
> > For me: I really, REALLY don't want another one
> > For her: It would make the rest of her life so much happier.
> > Bottom line: dammit
>
> Just a wee thought. Maybe she would be happy to have a companion to play
> with, but if she were to choose between you and another ... I know who she
> would choose ... don't you?

Yes I do. I'm her "dad" and I pamper her but she would be much happier
with both. Lately, I'm starting to realize that I'm going to have to
get another one. I'll take my time though. People will often buy a
ferret because they are so friendly and loving but they don't realize
just how much high maintenence they are....so if I take my time
looking, I might even get one for free or close to it.

A baby ferret at a pet store was $160 3 years ago. Too expensive.

G.

"gtr" > wrote in message news:201312070928522698-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-12-07 15:57:04 +0000, Ophelia said:
>
>> "gtr" > wrote in message
>> news:2013120707470469486-xxx@yyyzzz...
>>> On 2013-12-07 12:50:14 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:55:10 -0800, gtr > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Or they just can't sing, they *know* they can't sing...
>>>>>
>>>>> Everybody can sing. I think you're talking about "good" and "bad"
>>>>> singing, but I'm not.
>>>>
>>>> I think I can prove you wrong on that. Won't take me more than a few
>>>> notes.
>>>
>>> To prove your bad? I've just said, I don't CARE whether it's good or
>>> bad, people sing. PERIOD. You can't find me a child that can't sing, but
>>> eventually they get hung up on the good/bad thing. Same with dancing
>>> and every other joyous thing that seems to get beaten out of many of us.
>>
>> Yes, and it is very sad
>
> Not so sad as no action at all...

True.

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On 2013-12-07 16:54:26 +0000, graham said:

> "Janet" > wrote in message
> t...
>> In article >, says...
>>
>>> I so admire and envy couples that stay together over time, and weather
>>> the storms.
>>
>> Maybe you should be asking Ophelia what happened to her first
>> marriage.
>>
> Christ Janet! Do you have to be so spiteful?

Y'all don't have a killfile for that bitter shrew? Surprising...

"gtr" > wrote in message news:201312070933329728-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-12-07 16:27:53 +0000, Ophelia said:
>
>> "gtr" > wrote in message
>> news:2013120708070959836-xxx@yyyzzz...
>>> On 2013-12-07 15:55:43 +0000, Ophelia said:
>>>
>>>> "gtr" > wrote in message
>>>> news:2013120707441378163-xxx@yyyzzz...
>>>>> On 2013-12-07 10:26:51 +0000, Ophelia said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've sung in choirs since I was a child but he can't hit any note
>>>>>> He does it sometimes on purpose and it makes us giggle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bingo! That's the way it oughta be.
>>>>
>>>> There is a lot of fun around in this marriage)
>>>
>>> In ye olden times everybody everywhere sang in the parlor with a piano
>>> or guitar. Even in my lifetime it wasn't until somewhere in the 60's
>>> that opening your mouth and singing became a cultural taboo, and
>>> something that had to be compared against "good" and "bad" singing.
>>>
>>> I've sung professionally since I was 15. I can sing in half a dozen
>>> styles and as many voice "types". Still, in settings with people I don't
>>> know, if I were to say, "What's that song that goes like this..." and
>>> issue three notes, people are whining and putting their fingers in their
>>> ears. They haven't even heard it yet.
>>>
>>> What they are telling me is this: "Singing is uncool. It's a frightening
>>> statement of vulnerability that even makes me cringe at the possibility
>>> of embarrassment FOR YOU." That's my conclusion.
>>
>> What a lot they miss out on What is your favourite kind of music? I
>> love operatic and orchestral, but I also like country and I adored
>> Elvis)
>
> That's like what's my favorite food. I like and play Jazz (cool, swing,
> antique, bop), Brazilian musics (samba, bossa nova, choro), rock of myriad
> kinds (though not much post 1990), Indian musics, some Asian musics. Over
> the past few years I've been pursuing French Chanson with a lot of vigor.
> We go to opera rather than listen at home, and I have spates of enthusiasm
> with orchestral stuff, mostly romantic and later.
>
> In short--damn near everything.

LOL Wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Ophelia wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It is very hard when you lose a much loved pet.
>> >
>> > And it's also hard to live with the surviving one and knowing she
>> > would be much happier with a new furry friend. arrghh!
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > For me: I really, REALLY don't want another one
>> > For her: It would make the rest of her life so much happier.
>> > Bottom line: dammit
>>
>> Just a wee thought. Maybe she would be happy to have a companion to play
>> with, but if she were to choose between you and another ... I know who
>> she
>> would choose ... don't you?
>
> Yes I do. I'm her "dad" and I pamper her but she would be much happier
> with both. Lately, I'm starting to realize that I'm going to have to
> get another one. I'll take my time though. People will often buy a
> ferret because they are so friendly and loving but they don't realize
> just how much high maintenence they are....so if I take my time
> looking, I might even get one for free or close to it.
>
> A baby ferret at a pet store was $160 3 years ago. Too expensive.

Just remember, she has her Dad and anything more would be extra. Think
about yourself too.
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On 12/7/2013 9:30 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>> I so admire and envy couples that stay together over time, and weather
>> the storms.
>
> Maybe you should be asking Ophelia what happened to her first
> marriage.
>
> Janet UK
>
Meow!

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:36:23 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It is very hard when you lose a much loved pet.
>>> >
>>> > And it's also hard to live with the surviving one and knowing she
>>> > would be much happier with a new furry friend. arrghh!
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> > For me: I really, REALLY don't want another one
>>> > For her: It would make the rest of her life so much happier.
>>> > Bottom line: dammit
>>>
>>> Just a wee thought. Maybe she would be happy to have a companion to
>>> play
>>> with, but if she were to choose between you and another ... I know who
>>> she
>>> would choose ... don't you?
>>
>>Yes I do. I'm her "dad" and I pamper her but she would be much happier
>>with both. Lately, I'm starting to realize that I'm going to have to
>>get another one. I'll take my time though. People will often buy a
>>ferret because they are so friendly and loving but they don't realize
>>just how much high maintenence they are....so if I take my time
>>looking, I might even get one for free or close to it.
>>
>>A baby ferret at a pet store was $160 3 years ago. Too expensive.
>>
>>G.
>
> Have you considered giving your name to animal shelters saying you
> would take an older ferret, or a ferret someone had to give up, moving
> etc ? It's quite likely they get asked to take them in from time to
> time.

The only problem would be if he got too attached. He is having a lot of
problems atm because of that

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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:58:36 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:36:23 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It is very hard when you lose a much loved pet.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And it's also hard to live with the surviving one and knowing she
>>>>> > would be much happier with a new furry friend. arrghh!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> > For me: I really, REALLY don't want another one
>>>>> > For her: It would make the rest of her life so much happier.
>>>>> > Bottom line: dammit
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a wee thought. Maybe she would be happy to have a companion to
>>>>> play
>>>>> with, but if she were to choose between you and another ... I know who
>>>>> she
>>>>> would choose ... don't you?
>>>>
>>>>Yes I do. I'm her "dad" and I pamper her but she would be much happier
>>>>with both. Lately, I'm starting to realize that I'm going to have to
>>>>get another one. I'll take my time though. People will often buy a
>>>>ferret because they are so friendly and loving but they don't realize
>>>>just how much high maintenence they are....so if I take my time
>>>>looking, I might even get one for free or close to it.
>>>>
>>>>A baby ferret at a pet store was $160 3 years ago. Too expensive.
>>>>
>>>>G.
>>>
>>> Have you considered giving your name to animal shelters saying you
>>> would take an older ferret, or a ferret someone had to give up, moving
>>> etc ? It's quite likely they get asked to take them in from time to
>>> time.
>>
>>The only problem would be if he got too attached. He is having a lot of
>>problems atm because of that
>
> I was thinking maybe not a baby ferret would be a better idea, one
> nearer the age of the current one. Any animal place would also be
> keen to just give him the ferret, no payment

Certainly something for him to think on!


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On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:45:15 -0800, gtr > wrote:

> On 2013-12-07 15:17:11 +0000, Ophelia said:
>
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:26:51 -0000, "Ophelia"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've sung in choirs since I was a child but he can't hit any note He does
> >>> it sometimes on purpose and it makes us giggle.
> >>
> >> My husband seems to sing everything using only one note too.
> >
> > Aww
>
> Perhaps there are a lot more judgemental people in the world than I thought.

He does louder and softer, but doesn't have much of an octave range.
It's kinda cute.

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On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:48:05 -0800, gtr > wrote:

> I find it interesting that my list is a source of debate, but more
> notable that nobody else has critieria of interest, just a viewpoint on
> my criteria.

I met my husband when I was 17 and I wasn't very picky at the time.
My criteria for boys was smart with college graduation as a goal, good
sense of humor, not over 6 ft, dressed in an Ivy League style and
didn't attend the same HS school I attended. He passed.

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In article >, says...

Lately, I'm starting to realize that I'm going to have to
> get another one. I'll take my time though. People will often buy a
> ferret because they are so friendly and loving but they don't realize
> just how much high maintenence they are....so if I take my time
> looking, I might even get one for free or close to it.
>
> A baby ferret at a pet store was $160 3 years ago. Too expensive.

A baby only repeats the problem.

What's the average lifespan of a ferret? If you get an older second
hand rescue ferret the same age as the one you've got, it stands more
chance of a similar lifespan. Then whichever dies first the other won't
face years alone.

Janet UK

On 12/7/2013 12:52 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:23:47 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I think neat freaks would do themselves and someone else a
>> huge favor and not marry someone who doesn't share that trait.
>> I can't imagine a lifetime of being scolded for leaving a dish
>> somewhere or not putting something back after I used it.

> Definitely - in that case though it was the idea that one drops a
> towel and the other presumably will pick it up.

So long as that goes both ways, I don't have a problem picking
up a towel. My issue would don't leave a wet towel somewhere,
hang it up or put it by the washing machine. Don't leave a
wet pile there on the floor.

> My husband when we
> first married had that irritating habit of not completely closing
> drawers, or kitchen cabinets.

That seems like it would be annoying ... but I absentmindedly
leave sliding closet doors open all the time. A habit this cat has
pretty well cured me of, but that's recent.

> In the end he made a deal to
> consciously close them properly and I remember I agreed to not do
> something that irritated him.

That's a good compromise.

> That works but you're right, can't imagine always chasing someone up
> over something or being chased about my failing, that's no way to
> live.

That's what I've gathered from neat freaks I have met, it's their way
or no way so it's always a problem, unless the other person is the
same.

nancy