Nope. I cannot appy the DIC (happy, Steve? LOL) dining minimum to
charity. Here's the email answer I received:

"You may not donate your dining minimum to a charitable organization.
There were several opportunities this year to donate towards the cost of
dinner/lunch for groups having events at the Club, however, those have
already been held and paid for. You will probably have the chance to do
this next year, so keep an eye on emails requesting contributions for
the Beaufort High School Football Banquet and the Lunch with Santa for
military children."

Okay, mea culpa! I admit I passed up those "opportunities" because the
way I read them I did NOT realize they would be applied against the
dining minimum. It sounded like they were just begging for more money
on top of money.

Now I'm wondering if the requests for the employee holiday gift fund
could have been applied towards the dining minimum. I found it rather
odd they were requesting money to give the island employees holiday
bonuses. Final talley, they'd collected over $75,000 so they could
split it and cut bonus checks for the landscapers (not that they take
care of our yards), security guards, the folks who work in accounting,
etc. Allegedly divided equally.

Were these out-of-pocket donations? Or could that have been deducted
from the dining minimum, too? I sent an email asking about it. I'm
waiting to hear back.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Nope. I cannot appy the DIC (happy, Steve? LOL) dining minimum to
> charity. Here's the email answer I received:
>
> "You may not donate your dining minimum to a charitable organization.
> There were several opportunities this year to donate towards the cost of
> dinner/lunch for groups having events at the Club, however, those have
> already been held and paid for. You will probably have the chance to do
> this next year, so keep an eye on emails requesting contributions for the
> Beaufort High School Football Banquet and the Lunch with Santa for
> military children."
>
> Okay, mea culpa! I admit I passed up those "opportunities" because the
> way I read them I did NOT realize they would be applied against the dining
> minimum. It sounded like they were just begging for more money on top of
> money.
>
> Now I'm wondering if the requests for the employee holiday gift fund could
> have been applied towards the dining minimum. I found it rather odd they
> were requesting money to give the island employees holiday bonuses. Final
> talley, they'd collected over $75,000 so they could split it and cut bonus
> checks for the landscapers (not that they take care of our yards),
> security guards, the folks who work in accounting, etc. Allegedly divided
> equally.
>
> Were these out-of-pocket donations? Or could that have been deducted from
> the dining minimum, too? I sent an email asking about it. I'm waiting to
> hear back.

Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the food
from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is agreed
in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way

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On 12/11/2013 1:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Nope. I cannot appy the DIC (happy, Steve? LOL) dining minimum to
>> charity. Here's the email answer I received:
>>
>> "You may not donate your dining minimum to a charitable organization.
>> There were several opportunities this year to donate towards the cost of
>> dinner/lunch for groups having events at the Club, however, those have
>> already been held and paid for. You will probably have the chance to do
>> this next year, so keep an eye on emails requesting contributions for the
>> Beaufort High School Football Banquet and the Lunch with Santa for
>> military children."
>>
>> Okay, mea culpa! I admit I passed up those "opportunities" because the
>> way I read them I did NOT realize they would be applied against the
>> dining
>> minimum. It sounded like they were just begging for more money on top of
>> money.
>>
>
> Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the food
> from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
> agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
>
The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.

Jill

On 12/11/2013 2:04 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>
> Not only is there a storage/contamination issue, but the USDA requires
> at all food donated to food banks have an ingredient and allergen
> statement (not that food intolerances and allergies are so
> fashionable).
>
> -sw
>
Yeah... I don't get that as much information about the food from the
Club as I get from commercial labelled products.

The last time I was there I asked if I could take a look at the kitchen.
At first the DRM (dining room manager) was all enthusiastic. I'm sure
we can arrange that! Next thing I knew someone from the kitchen told me
no. Liability insurance and all that. I can understand that. I'm not
sure they've ever had anyone ask to see the kitchen before. <G>

What I was *really* wondering was whether or not they have microwave
ovens in the kitchen. LOL

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/11/2013 2:04 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>>> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>>> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>>> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>>> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.

Such a shame but I do understand


>> Not only is there a storage/contamination issue, but the USDA requires
>> at all food donated to food banks have an ingredient and allergen
>> statement (not that food intolerances and allergies are so
>> fashionable).
>>
>> -sw

Logical I suppose, but I am sure some hungry folk would love it

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On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:25:08 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> Now I'm wondering if the requests for the employee holiday gift fund
> could have been applied towards the dining minimum. I found it rather
> odd they were requesting money to give the island employees holiday
> bonuses. Final talley, they'd collected over $75,000 so they could
> split it and cut bonus checks for the landscapers (not that they take
> care of our yards), security guards, the folks who work in accounting,
> etc. Allegedly divided equally.
>
> Were these out-of-pocket donations? Or could that have been deducted
> from the dining minimum, too? I sent an email asking about it. I'm
> waiting to hear back.

They're sounding like Walmart and them asking customers to contribute
to Thanksgiving baskets for needy employees! Why don't they pay their
employees enough to tide them through the year, so you can tip those
you may wish to tip on your own?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/11/2013 1:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> > Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the food
> > from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
> > agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
> >
> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>
I bet you could take it to a shelter or donate to an organization that
does outreach on the streets. Here, people leave it on top of garbage
cans. When you're starving, you don't care where the food came from.
People go dumpster diving just for fun. Those people need to eat.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/11/2013 1:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Nope. I cannot appy the DIC (happy, Steve? LOL) dining minimum to
>>> charity. Here's the email answer I received:
>>>
>>> "You may not donate your dining minimum to a charitable organization.
>>> There were several opportunities this year to donate towards the cost of
>>> dinner/lunch for groups having events at the Club, however, those have
>>> already been held and paid for. You will probably have the chance to do
>>> this next year, so keep an eye on emails requesting contributions for the
>>> Beaufort High School Football Banquet and the Lunch with Santa for
>>> military children."
>>>
>>> Okay, mea culpa! I admit I passed up those "opportunities" because the
>>> way I read them I did NOT realize they would be applied against the
>>> dining
>>> minimum. It sounded like they were just begging for more money on top of
>>> money.
>>>
>>
>> Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the food
>> from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
>> agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
>>
>The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>
>Jill

You can invite like ten homeless winos to dinner at the club.

On 2013-12-11 4:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown >

>>>
>>> Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the food
>>> from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
>>> agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
>>>
>> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>>
>> Jill
>
> You can invite like ten homeless winos to dinner at the club.
>

First you have to tear them away from their RFC stalking.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:27:03 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 2:04 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>
> >> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>
> >> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>
> >> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>
> >> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>
> >
>
> > Not only is there a storage/contamination issue, but the USDA requires
>
> > at all food donated to food banks have an ingredient and allergen
>
> > statement (not that food intolerances and allergies are so
>
> > fashionable).
>
> >
>
> > -sw
>
> >
>
> Yeah... I don't get that as much information about the food from the
>
> Club as I get from commercial labelled products.
>
>
>
> The last time I was there I asked if I could take a look at the kitchen.
>
> At first the DRM (dining room manager) was all enthusiastic. I'm sure
>
> we can arrange that! Next thing I knew someone from the kitchen told me
>
> no. Liability insurance and all that. I can understand that. I'm not
>
> sure they've ever had anyone ask to see the kitchen before. <G>
>

They're just guarding that Kaiser stash.

In article >, ost
says...
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
> > bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
> > containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
> > for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
> > car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>
> Not only is there a storage/contamination issue, but the USDA requires
> at all food donated to food banks have an ingredient and allergen
> statement

Same in the UK; all food donated to foodbanks must be in the original
sealed, unopened commercial package/tin etc; never, leftovers from
restaurants .

Janet UK

On 12/11/2013 3:54 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> That was a bullshit excuse. I have been in a bunch of commercial
> kitchens and liability was never an issue.


Did you fly the space shuttle too like Marty did?

On 12/11/2013 4:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2013 1:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the food
>>> from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
>>> agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
>>>
>> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>>
>> Jill
>
> You can invite like ten homeless winos to dinner at the club.
>
So, are you planning to come over?

Jill

On 12/11/2013 3:57 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:25:08 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Now I'm wondering if the requests for the employee holiday gift fund
>> could have been applied towards the dining minimum. I found it rather
>> odd they were requesting money to give the island employees holiday
>> bonuses. Final talley, they'd collected over $75,000 so they could
>> split it and cut bonus checks for the landscapers (not that they take
>> care of our yards), security guards, the folks who work in accounting,
>> etc. Allegedly divided equally.
>>
>> Were these out-of-pocket donations? Or could that have been deducted
>> from the dining minimum, too? I sent an email asking about it. I'm
>> waiting to hear back.
>
> They're sounding like Walmart and them asking customers to contribute
> to Thanksgiving baskets for needy employees! Why don't they pay their
> employees enough to tide them through the year, so you can tip those
> you may wish to tip on your own?
>
That was kind of my thinking about it, sf. I was told it was strictly
out of pocket donations. But really, why do I need to help them pay
their employees? The whole operation makes enough money to pay these
people well. If some individuals did something helpful I'd be happy to
tip them - separately.

Jill

On 12/11/2013 5:54 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:27:03 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> The last time I was there I asked if I could take a look at the kitchen.
>> At first the DRM (dining room manager) was all enthusiastic. I'm sure
>> we can arrange that! Next thing I knew someone from the kitchen told me
>> no. Liability insurance and all that. I can understand that.
>
> That was a bullshit excuse. I have been in a bunch of commercial
> kitchens and liability was never an issue. But if you don't have a
> well-kept kitchen, then I can see why they might have issues.
>
> -sw
>
I'd not want to eat in a restaurant that was giving tours of the
kitchen. Peek through a window, but stay away from prep area.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/11/2013 1:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Nope. I cannot appy the DIC (happy, Steve? LOL) dining minimum to
>>> charity. Here's the email answer I received:
>>>
>>> "You may not donate your dining minimum to a charitable organization.
>>> There were several opportunities this year to donate towards the cost of
>>> dinner/lunch for groups having events at the Club, however, those have
>>> already been held and paid for. You will probably have the chance to do
>>> this next year, so keep an eye on emails requesting contributions for
>>> the
>>> Beaufort High School Football Banquet and the Lunch with Santa for
>>> military children."
>>>
>>> Okay, mea culpa! I admit I passed up those "opportunities" because the
>>> way I read them I did NOT realize they would be applied against the
>>> dining
>>> minimum. It sounded like they were just begging for more money on top
>>> of
>>> money.
>>>
>>
>> Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the
>> food
>> from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
>> agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
>>
> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food bank
> is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because for
> all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my car for
> *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.

Could you round up a bunch of bums and have lunch with them?

On 12/11/2013 9:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> You're not going to get very close to the food in an active kitchen.

Is that what happens on your photo deck?

On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 23:45:25 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2013 5:54 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:27:03 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> The last time I was there I asked if I could take a look at the kitchen.
>>>> At first the DRM (dining room manager) was all enthusiastic. I'm sure
>>>> we can arrange that! Next thing I knew someone from the kitchen told me
>>>> no. Liability insurance and all that. I can understand that.
>>>
>>> That was a bullshit excuse. I have been in a bunch of commercial
>>> kitchens and liability was never an issue. But if you don't have a
>>> well-kept kitchen, then I can see why they might have issues.
>>>
>> I'd not want to eat in a restaurant that was giving tours of the
>> kitchen. Peek through a window, but stay away from prep area.
>
> You're not going to get very close to the food in an active kitchen.
> Besides, who's to say the kitchen staff has less cooties than the
> typical person who would want to see the kitchen? Or do you think
> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
>
> -sw
>
Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.

Jill

On 12/11/2013 10:11 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/11/2013 1:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Nope. I cannot appy the DIC (happy, Steve? LOL) dining minimum to
>>>> charity. Here's the email answer I received:
>>>>
>>>> "You may not donate your dining minimum to a charitable organization.
>>>> There were several opportunities this year to donate towards the
>>>> cost of
>>>> dinner/lunch for groups having events at the Club, however, those have
>>>> already been held and paid for. You will probably have the chance
>>>> to do
>>>> this next year, so keep an eye on emails requesting contributions
>>>> for the
>>>> Beaufort High School Football Banquet and the Lunch with Santa for
>>>> military children."
>>>>
>>>> Okay, mea culpa! I admit I passed up those "opportunities" because the
>>>> way I read them I did NOT realize they would be applied against the
>>>> dining
>>>> minimum. It sounded like they were just begging for more money on
>>>> top of
>>>> money.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the
>>> food
>>> from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
>>> agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
>>>
>> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>
> Could you round up a bunch of bums and have lunch with them?


Steven?

Marty?

MeDavis?

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/11/2013 4:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:46:33 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/11/2013 1:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with getting anything out of them. You should get all the
>>>> food
>>>> from them you can and give it all to a food bank! I know all this is
>>>> agreed in the terms but I still think they rip you off any which way
>>>>
>>> The problem with buying food from the Club and giving it to the food
>>> bank is I doubt they'd accept already cooked food in styrofoam to-go
>>> containers. Nor in freezer containers. They wouldn't take it because
>>> for all they knew the food could have been sitting in the trunk of my
>>> car for *days*. Thank you for the suggestion, but that wouldn't work.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> You can invite like ten homeless winos to dinner at the club.
>>
> So, are you planning to come over?

<g>

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/11/2013 3:57 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:25:08 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Now I'm wondering if the requests for the employee holiday gift fund
>>> could have been applied towards the dining minimum. I found it rather
>>> odd they were requesting money to give the island employees holiday
>>> bonuses. Final talley, they'd collected over $75,000 so they could
>>> split it and cut bonus checks for the landscapers (not that they take
>>> care of our yards), security guards, the folks who work in accounting,
>>> etc. Allegedly divided equally.
>>>
>>> Were these out-of-pocket donations? Or could that have been deducted
>>> from the dining minimum, too? I sent an email asking about it. I'm
>>> waiting to hear back.
>>
>> They're sounding like Walmart and them asking customers to contribute
>> to Thanksgiving baskets for needy employees! Why don't they pay their
>> employees enough to tide them through the year, so you can tip those
>> you may wish to tip on your own?
>>
> That was kind of my thinking about it, sf. I was told it was strictly out
> of pocket donations. But really, why do I need to help them pay their
> employees? The whole operation makes enough money to pay these people
> well. If some individuals did something helpful I'd be happy to tip
> them - separately.

It is a disgrace if they are saying their employees are so needy they are
asking for donations!!! Surely they can't mean that they don't pay enough
so want you to make up the difference???? If so I simply can't believe the
cheek!

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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:15:40 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>>> Or do you think
>>> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
>>>
>> Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
>> to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.
>
> That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
> know who Elaine Benes is. Perhaps you're just not used to seeing it
> spelled out (I had to look it up myself).

Well I don't know!

O in her deep cave.


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

>>> Not only is there a storage/contamination issue, but the USDA requires
>>> at all food donated to food banks have an ingredient and allergen
>>> statement (not that food intolerances and allergies are so
>>> fashionable).
>>>
>>> -sw
>
> Logical I suppose, but I am sure some hungry folk would love it

In some places here, we are forbidden by law to give any food to homeless
people we see or even people begging and they say it is for their own
safety. People used to make up lots of sandwiches or bagged meals and drive
around handing them out. The theory was that the food could be in some way
tainted, perhaps even deliberately. And I would not put that past some
people either. Some get so angry when they see people begging that they
would actually harm them.

In some places they do make allowances and we can give them packaged food
that can not be tampered with. Like a can of beans.

And then there was that big to do when Hurricane Sandy hit. The lovely
mayor Bloomberg decided to control what the displaced people could eat!
Would not allow any food donations from citizens at all to the shelters.
People said they were not given enough to eat and in come cases they
actually saw food there but he had deemed it unsatisfactory to give out. He
would only allow things of a certain amount of calories, low fat, low or no
sugar, etc.

I don't know what the answer is. I can well see why they have rules. But
sometimes the rules don't make a lot of sense. It's stuff like this that
leads some people to dumpster dive. A practice that is likely even more
dangerous to their health in many ways. And then there are those who just
dumpster dive by choice. They are a different breed though.

We were driving by a man with a sign asking for help the other day. Most of
the time when I see these people they have the look of drug user or
alcoholic or just this is the way I make my living look to them. I often
see the same person in the same place day after day after day. But this man
did look to me like it was just a temporary thing. I often have groceries
in my van but I didn't that day. And the only food I had was a tiny
leftover package of Halloween candy. I told my mom she could give him that
out the window and she became furious with me. Said that would be a mean
thing to do. I was like... Okay then. Um, whatever. I'm sure if I were
starving, it wouldn't be my first choice of food but hey...it was still
fresh and it was in a sealed package!

I know better than to give such people money, even if it is a few coins.
Chances are great that they won't be using it for food or shelter or
anything else sensible. We did see a young man the week before in the same
spot and somebody gave him a banana. He looked very appreciative. I did
feel bad for him. He looked to be a minor and again I had a feeling that he
was legit. I did actually have food in there that day but it was way in the
back of the van and I had no way of getting to it.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:52:38 -0500, Susan wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2013 3:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> Logical I suppose, but I am sure some hungry folk would love it
>>
>> Yeah, and in the U.S., leftover food from restaurants, grocery stores,
>> farms, catered events are collected and distributed by numerous hunger
>> relief organizations like this one; there is no regulation against it:
>
> Other *local* hunger relief organizations may be able to distribute
> and serve food without ingredient statements.
>
> But no food bank that accepts funds or foods from the USDA, or
> participates in Federally-funded nutrition programs may distribute
> food to be eaten at home that does not have ingredient labels - with
> the exception of unprocessed single ingredient farm products. Note
> that most individual food *pantries* are exempt from most of the USDA
> requirements since they work at the local level and are not in
> contracts with the USDA.
>
> It's laws like that require the USDA to print up convoluted labels
> like these for their "USDA pizzas":
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/
>
> There is nothing in those links to Island Harvest that suggests they
> accept or distribute food without ingredient statements.
>
> -sw

Here there are a lot of churches that give out food. They might take
something without an ingredient statement. I know the owner of a Jimmy
John's said she was giving her leftover bread to a church until they told
her to stop because she had no bags for it. Just how she was transporting
the stuff with no bags, I don't want to know. But it is also possible that
she could have printed the ingredient statement from their website or some
such thing.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/11/2013 5:54 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:27:03 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> The last time I was there I asked if I could take a look at the kitchen.
>>> At first the DRM (dining room manager) was all enthusiastic. I'm
>>> sure
>>> we can arrange that! Next thing I knew someone from the kitchen told me
>>> no. Liability insurance and all that. I can understand that.
>>
>> That was a bullshit excuse. I have been in a bunch of commercial
>> kitchens and liability was never an issue. But if you don't have a
>> well-kept kitchen, then I can see why they might have issues.
>>
>> -sw
>>
> I'd not want to eat in a restaurant that was giving tours of the kitchen.
> Peek through a window, but stay away from prep area.

Agree with you there! I would also think they couldn't go in there without
a food handler's permit.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:15:38 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:15:40 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >>> Or do you think
> >>> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
> >>>
> >> Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
> >> to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.
> >
> > That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
> > know who Elaine Benes is. Perhaps you're just not used to seeing it
> > spelled out (I had to look it up myself).
>
> Well I don't know!
>
> O in her deep cave.

Me too and not caring either.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:15:40 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> >> Or do you think
> >> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
> >>
> > Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
> > to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.
>
> That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
> know who Elaine Benes is. Perhaps you're just not used to seeing it
> spelled out (I had to look it up myself).
>
> -sw

I also had no idea who Elaine Benes is until I looked her up. I knew
about Elaine from Seinfeld but never knew her last name.

G.

On 12/12/2013 8:44 AM, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:15:40 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>>> Or do you think
>>>> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
>>>>
>>> Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
>>> to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.
>>
>> That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
>> know who Elaine Benes is. Perhaps you're just not used to seeing it
>> spelled out (I had to look it up myself).
>>
>> -sw
>
> I also had no idea who Elaine Benes is until I looked her up. I knew
> about Elaine from Seinfeld but never knew her last name.
>
> G.
>
Oh, is *that* who he meant?! Must have been the Soup Nazi episode.

Jill

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:15:40 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>>> Or do you think
>>> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
>>>
>> Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
>> to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.
>
>That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
>know who Elaine Benes is. Perhaps you're just not used to seeing it
>spelled out (I had to look it up myself).

Not everyone has seen Seinfeld. I haven't.

Obviously I've heard of it, and knew it had a character named Elaine.
At least, I could correctly answer the question, "Did 'Seinfeld' have
a character named Elaine?" even if my answer to "Name the characters
on 'Seinfeld'" would be "Um... Seinfeld?"

Cindy Hamilton
--

On 12/11/2013 11:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 5:54 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:27:03 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> The last time I was there I asked if I could take a look at the kitchen.
>>> At first the DRM (dining room manager) was all enthusiastic. I'm
>>> sure
>>> we can arrange that! Next thing I knew someone from the kitchen told me
>>> no. Liability insurance and all that. I can understand that.
>>
>> That was a bullshit excuse. I have been in a bunch of commercial
>> kitchens and liability was never an issue. But if you don't have a
>> well-kept kitchen, then I can see why they might have issues.
>>
>> -sw
>>
> I'd not want to eat in a restaurant that was giving tours of the
> kitchen. Peek through a window, but stay away from prep area.

I seriously doubt many (if any!) people ask for a tour of the kitchen.
The guy seemed surprised when I said I would like to see it. I'd
already told him I like to cook. (My signature Roasted Butternut Squash
Soup resulted from a squash soup I tasted there back around 1990... I
told him mine is better. LOL)

It's not as if I've never been in a restaurant kitchen before. I know
to stay away from the line. I just wanted to get a quick look at the
setup and equipment. Someone here said "every" restaurant has microwave
ovens. I sincerely doubt that.

Maybe they thought I work with Gordon Ramsay or Robert Irvine
Obviously I don't have to see the kitchen to give them a hard time.

Jill

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:52:10 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/12/2013 8:44 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:15:40 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Or do you think
> >>>> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
> >>>>
> >>> Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
> >>> to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.
> >>
> >> That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
> >> know who Elaine Benes is. Perhaps you're just not used to seeing it
> >> spelled out (I had to look it up myself).
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > I also had no idea who Elaine Benes is until I looked her up. I knew
> > about Elaine from Seinfeld but never knew her last name.
> >
> > G.
> >
> Oh, is *that* who he meant?! Must have been the Soup Nazi episode.
>

I had to look it up too and it was some episode where she was banned
from a restaurant because she had a fight with the delivery guy. I
have no clue how her fighting with the delivery guy applies to your
situation.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:53:32 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
wrote:

> In article >,
> Sqwertz > wrote:
> >On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:15:40 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/11/2013 11:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >>> Or do you think
> >>> Jill might pull an Elaine Benes on the pasta primavera? ;-)
> >>>
> >> Sorry, too lazy to care who Elaine Benes is. I'm obviously not planning
> >> to do whatever she did to be banned from a restaurant kitchen.
> >
> >That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
> >know who Elaine Benes is. Perhaps you're just not used to seeing it
> >spelled out (I had to look it up myself).
>
> Not everyone has seen Seinfeld. I haven't.
>
> Obviously I've heard of it, and knew it had a character named Elaine.
> At least, I could correctly answer the question, "Did 'Seinfeld' have
> a character named Elaine?" even if my answer to "Name the characters
> on 'Seinfeld'" would be "Um... Seinfeld?"
>

Now you know what he does when he's not trolling 95 different usenet
groups.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 12/11/2013 11:15 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> That must have been one hell of a deep cave you lived in if you don't
> know who Elaine Benes is.

Oh lookie at Sqwerty try and pull rank, lol...

In article >,
Ophelia > wrote:
>
>Oh dear We have a National Minimum wage law set in law
>
>https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

We have one too; it's $7.25/hour. However, companies like WalMart
will hire twice as many people at 20 hours per week, so that they
don't have to pay benefits (for example, paid time off, health insurance,
retirement fund) to these part-time employees.

We can account for the differences in cost of living and exchange rate
by using the Big Mac index:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph.../daily-chart-3

It costs $2.50 to $2.99 in the U.S., so it takes about 24 minutes
to earn a Big Mac at the federal minimum wage. The average in
England (only data I could find) is 2.89 (sorry, no pound symbol
here). Minimum wage appears to be 6.31 for adults. It appears to
take 27 minutes to earn a Big Mac in England.

At first glance, the U.S. minimum wage worker appears better off.
House is very difficult here, though, since we have nothing
like council houses/flats. And, of course, the American workers
will have to pay for all of their own medical expenses.
So the minimum wage worker might be better off in England.

Sorry I couldn't find anything for Scotland with a quick google.

Cindy Hamilton
--

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> Ophelia > wrote:
>>
>>Oh dear We have a National Minimum wage law set in law
>>
>>https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
>
> We have one too; it's $7.25/hour. However, companies like WalMart
> will hire twice as many people at 20 hours per week, so that they
> don't have to pay benefits (for example, paid time off, health insurance,
> retirement fund) to these part-time employees.

Makes you wonder why anyone will work there

> We can account for the differences in cost of living and exchange rate
> by using the Big Mac index:
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph.../daily-chart-3
>
> It costs $2.50 to $2.99 in the U.S., so it takes about 24 minutes
> to earn a Big Mac at the federal minimum wage. The average in
> England (only data I could find) is 2.89 (sorry, no pound symbol
> here). Minimum wage appears to be 6.31 for adults. It appears to
> take 27 minutes to earn a Big Mac in England.
>
> At first glance, the U.S. minimum wage worker appears better off.
> House is very difficult here, though, since we have nothing
> like council houses/flats. And, of course, the American workers
> will have to pay for all of their own medical expenses.
> So the minimum wage worker might be better off in England.
>
> Sorry I couldn't find anything for Scotland with a quick google.

It is fairly standard. across most of UK. Even full time workers get
benefits. Didn't happen in my day, nor would I have wanted it to

Anyway, I will leave it to your excellent googling skills because I am bound
to get a row if I start <g>

http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In article >,
Ophelia > wrote:
>
>
>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
. ..
>> In article >,
>> Ophelia > wrote:
>>>
>>>Oh dear We have a National Minimum wage law set in law
>>>
>>>https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
>>
>> We have one too; it's $7.25/hour. However, companies like WalMart
>> will hire twice as many people at 20 hours per week, so that they
>> don't have to pay benefits (for example, paid time off, health insurance,
>> retirement fund) to these part-time employees.
>
> Makes you wonder why anyone will work there

Lack of other opportunities. No skills, manufacturing jobs offshored.

Cindy Hamilton
--

> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > In article >,
> > Ophelia > wrote:
> >>
> >>Oh dear We have a National Minimum wage law set in law
> >>
> >>https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
> >
> > We have one too; it's $7.25/hour. However, companies like WalMart
> > will hire twice as many people at 20 hours per week, so that they
> > don't have to pay benefits (for example, paid time off, health insurance,
> > retirement fund) to these part-time employees.

Part-time workers in the UK have legal right to the same benefits as full time workers
( rate of pay, national insurance, pension benefits, sick and maternity leave and paid holiday).
Foreign-owned companies operating here (like ASDA/Walmart) have to comply.

Janet UK

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> Ophelia > wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
>>> In article >,
>>> Ophelia > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Oh dear We have a National Minimum wage law set in law
>>>>
>>>>https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
>>>
>>> We have one too; it's $7.25/hour. However, companies like WalMart
>>> will hire twice as many people at 20 hours per week, so that they
>>> don't have to pay benefits (for example, paid time off, health
>>> insurance,
>>> retirement fund) to these part-time employees.
>>
>> Makes you wonder why anyone will work there
>
> Lack of other opportunities. No skills, manufacturing jobs offshored.

OK. We have that here too with the huge number of immigrants in many places
and the dumbing down of education in many schools. Even many university
graduates can't find work any more The situation is not good.

Our situation is improving but the young are finding it very hard:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...h-8935723.html

The jobless rate among under-25s is now 3.74 times the adult rate, up from
3.5 times the adult rate a year ago.

More than 950,000 young people are now unemployed and almost a third (30 per
cent) of them have been looking for work for more than a year. The latest
official monthly statistics will be published today.

Oh dear, I said I wouldn't do this Ok I am done)

Before anyone shouts at me it is all Cindy's fault))))


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 12/12/2013 1:19 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> In article >,
> Ophelia > wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> In article >,
>>> Ophelia > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear We have a National Minimum wage law set in law
>>>>
>>>> https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
>>>
>>> We have one too; it's $7.25/hour. However, companies like WalMart
>>> will hire twice as many people at 20 hours per week, so that they
>>> don't have to pay benefits (for example, paid time off, health insurance,
>>> retirement fund) to these part-time employees.
>>
>> Makes you wonder why anyone will work there
>
> Lack of other opportunities. No skills, manufacturing jobs offshored.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Sounds like NAFTA and the "giant sucking sound" Mr. Perot warned us of..

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:46:16 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
wrote:

>In article >,
>Ophelia > wrote:
>>
>>Oh dear We have a National Minimum wage law set in law
>>
>>https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
>
>We have one too; it's $7.25/hour. However, companies like WalMart
>will hire twice as many people at 20 hours per week, so that they
>don't have to pay benefits (for example, paid time off, health insurance,
>retirement fund) to these part-time employees.

You make is sound like the Walmart employment ad states: only those
who've undergone a frontal lobotomy need apply... if people are not
happy with the details of the job they are under no obligation
whatsoever to accept that employment or am I missing something?