On 12/28/2013 11:50 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/28/2013 10:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
> My cats would curl up and sleep on my wire fox terrier.
> She would never harm them.
>
> > Or more probably a
>> baby and a cat? Common mistaken myth is that a cat will smother a baby
>> by curling up on the baby's face to sleep. nonsense.
>
> Of course it's nonsense. Someone saw a cat check out a baby's
> milk breath and leapt the to weird conclusion that it was trying
> to suck the life out of it.
>
> nancy
>
I suppose a cat *could* curl up on and smother a baby. Then again, if
anyone is so worried about having a cat and a baby at the same time I
have a suggestion: close the door to the nursery. Ya know, they make
these "newfangled" electronic gadgets called baby monitors...

I felt so sorry for the little boy who lived next door to me when I was
in TN. His mother said he just *loved* seeing my cat sitting on the
windowsill. He wanted a cat. She said, "We can't let him have a cat
because I'm going to have a baby." Uh, what?

Jill

On 2013-12-28 11:20 AM, Janet wrote:

>> Oh dear! My father had black hair and brown eyes. My mother had brown
>> hair and blue eyes. My oldest brother was brown haired with hazel eyes.
>> Middle brother had reddish hair and blue eyes. I was blonde and blue.
>> None of us looked like we were related. You can't tell by looking.
>
> Dave can. Hell, he can even tell by looking at you, if your parents
> were married and working and if they had a hungry dog called Rover.
>


Se4fensively spoken.... like a welfare queen.

On 2013-12-28 11:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> You have a point. The one I'm talking about is afraid of a cat owned
>> by the owner's half sister.
>
> (laugh) That's funny. Hey, some cats, one should be afraid of.
> Even a pit bull.


When I was younger a friend who farm and they had a tom cat that no wise
dog would mess with. That cat killed all kinds of animals that were
bigger than itself. He was not to be messed with... or trusted.

On 12/27/2013 6:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> We did see an older guy by the
> grocery store eating from a bag of McDonald's food and he also had a
> white bag of something. His sign said that he was homeless but he did
> look well fed.

Rather than giving cash to someone begging I'll give them a bag of food
from McDonald's or Burger King or whatever is closest. I've done that a
few times and the food is almost always very gratefully received. I
know I'm not the only person to do that.

--
DreadfulBitch

I intend to live forever....so far, so good.
......Steven Wright

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-12-27 8:27 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
>>>
>>> are *family*. No matter what happens ever, she comes with me. We
>>> are a
>>>
>>> package deal.
>>
>> See that wall near you? Talk to it as opposed to trying to get thru
>> to Dave, who thinks, "Woe to anyone who falls on hard times due to no
>> fault of his own." But he just doesn't see how this can happen.
>
> Because I said that people should not take on responsibilities that they
> cannot afford?

But how many people really have you seen do this? I don't know of any. I
do know of a person who got a purebread dog from his parents as a gift. He
wasn't working at didn't want to work. Parents were supporting him. I
didn't agree with this but it wasn't my business. And no, he wasn't living
with them. They paid his rent.
>
>> He thinks I 'invented' the situation I mentioned. Ha. He's thicker
>> than I imagined.
>
> You must have a cognitive problem. You used the situation of pensioners
> with an old pet to counter the argument about taking on new ones. For the
> umpteenth time... I agree that some people will find themselves in hard
> times and have to cope with an old pet. That is a matter of dealing with
> a previous responsibility, as opposed to going out and getting a new pet,
> and then expecting charitable donations to feed the new pet. It is
> irresponsible. Feel free to do it. Don't expect me to pay for it.

Nobody expects you to give to any charity.

On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:06:44 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:



>
>I give you as example of the assumptions, condemnations, indignation
>and unfounded accusations made about welfare recipients in Florida and
>the program set up to drug test al those on public assistance. Read up
>on it here. It mentions Utah, too.
>
>http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%..._huge_failure/
>
>Boron


I have a hard time with one statistic mentioned:

"But in 2012, three years and 87,000 screenings later, only one person
had failed a drug test. "

Really? One is 87,000? That stretches the credibility of they system
they were using.

This is a bit more believable:
"During the past year, the state of Utah has spent over $30,000 giving
drug tests to welfare recipients. In that time period, only 2.6
percent of those tested were found to have used illegal substances —
well below the national use rate of 8.9 percent."

I'll agree it is probably a poor system and not worth doing, but no
way will I ever believe 1 in 87,000 even if it was only Convents
tested. .

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2013-12-28 8:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> Wonderful! Which proves the point that dogs like pit bulls are not
>>> naturally vicious. All depends on the owner, Unfortunately some men
>>> buy
>>> them to make themselves look tough and teach them to be nasty It is
>>> the
>>> dogs that pay for that( They have a miserable life and often get put
>>> down because of their behaviour.
>>>
>>
>>
>> True. My previous neighbour had two of them and the ran loose all the
>> time. The younger one used to come over an visit me. Those two and their
>> German Shepherd, all males, used to follow my wife when she took our two
>> dogs (both rescues) on their morning walk. 0
>>
>> The only time I had a problem with the young one was when I tried to
>> teach him to shake a paw and he snapped at me. I remembered that when
>> they moved and they wanted me to take the young one because they didn't
>> trust him around their new baby.

I am very frightened of big dogs that I don't know. I suppose I should be
frightened of little ones too because they can bite.

Once, we were driving when a girl stopped us towards the end of our street.
She wasn't really one of Angela's friends but a friend of a friend who knew
that we liked cats. She wanted to show us her new kitten. The girls were
in the yard playing with the kitten and I was sitting on the front steps.

All of a sudden the front door opened and a huge pit bull came leaping out.
I stood in an attempt to react in some way but what wound up happening was
that the dog jumped on me and knocked me flat. I don't think he was trying
to be mean or anything. It's just that some dogs can be rambunctious like
that.

I guess I must have looked terrified or something. Perhaps I was but it was
more like very startled because I just wasn't expecting it. The girl's dad
then pulled a bit of an attitude, perhaps because he didn't know who we
were. This girl was I think 3 years younger than Angela and she was only
perhaps 8 or 9 at the time. He didn't really say anything to us but ordered
the girl into the house immediately.

Another time I was at a birthday party for a coworker. I was a bit older
and he was in high school but we got along well so he invited me and a few
of the older workers. He had never once mentioned any animals to me. I was
standing by the dining table with a bunch of other people. There was a
sliding glass door covered by a drape. Some guy muttered something like,
"What's out there?" Then he pulled the drape back and two huge Rottweilers
began snapping, barking and hurling themselves into the window. That was
really weird because they had been out there the entire time and not made a
noise. Or maybe they had and we just couldn't hear them over the music.

What happened next was pretty comical. Those of us closest to the window
began screaming and sort of wound up in a heap, crashing into each other in
an attempt to get back. I really thought that the dogs were coming through
the window. They didn't and I guess we startled them as much as we startled
them!

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/28/2013 9:37 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote
>
>>> The only time I had a problem with the young one was when I tried to
>>> teach him to shake a paw and he snapped at me. I remembered that when
>>> they moved and they wanted me to take the young one because they
>>> didn't trust him around their new baby.
>>
>> I am surprised they kept such a dog around with a new baby
>
> Many/most of them are very sweet dogs. Still, I wouldn't keep
> one and a cat. I don't think that's a good mix.

I have known many people with a dog and cat and no matter the breed or size
of dog, the dog usually loses!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

> Are you saying a dog and a cat are not a good mix. Or more probably a
> baby and a cat? Common mistaken myth is that a cat will smother a baby
> by curling up on the baby's face to sleep. nonsense.
>
> Well cared for and loved pets pose no valid threat to a human baby.
> More often, it's a toddler that will harm the animal.

A lot of people flipped out when I had Angela and didn't get rid of Maui.
Particularly those who had been injured by Maui. She could be rather mean
and did get mugshotted once at the vet. And now after having two feral
cats, I suspect that she too may have been feral when I got her. Although
she took to me right away, she generally didn't take to other people well at
all. One exception being my husband's friend but he did own a dog and two
cats.

I had warned them that if she started to hiss to back off and not pet her.
She did this at the vet and the assistant got bitten because she didn't back
off. She also bit a groomer who had made what he thought was a joke with a
cat being the butt of the joke. I just said to him, "What do you expect...
Saying a thing like that!"

Anyway... Maui never bit Angela once. She did scratch her on occasion but
not in an aggressive way. And I must admit that I didn't keep up with her
claw clips. She went weekly or at least every two weeks when younger but
after tangling with the groomer it became difficult for me to find anyone to
do it so we resorted to taking her to the vet 2-3 times a year for the
pedicure.

Anyway... I think Maui knew of the baby in me. She liked to sit by or on
my tummy. And she put up no fuss at all when left by herself for 48 hours
after I had her. Nor did she get upset when I came home only for 10 minutes
after we had to go back into the hospital because Angela had jaundice. The
pediatric wing was being remodeled and for some reason it was beastly cold
despite being about 100 degrees outside. I needed to get some warmer
clothes and I did pop open a can of food for her.

Maui had a self feeder and a fountain and we frequently went out of town for
the weekend, sometimes taking her with us, sometimes not. She was used to
being alone but did not like it and always bitched me out about it and
refused affection for a while when we got back. But this time it was
different. She was very affectionate and looked concerned.

Once Angela was home, Maui stood guard over her as she slept. She would sit
on the folded up top of the bassinet and watch her, much as she did for my
MIL when she fell ill. Then Maui would sit on a chair outside of her
bedroom and watch her through the night. And whenever I was sick, she would
curl up at the top of my head and sleep with me.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/28/2013 11:50 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 12/28/2013 10:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>> My cats would curl up and sleep on my wire fox terrier.
>> She would never harm them.
>>
>> > Or more probably a
>>> baby and a cat? Common mistaken myth is that a cat will smother a baby
>>> by curling up on the baby's face to sleep. nonsense.
>>
>> Of course it's nonsense. Someone saw a cat check out a baby's
>> milk breath and leapt the to weird conclusion that it was trying
>> to suck the life out of it.
>>
>> nancy
>>
> I suppose a cat *could* curl up on and smother a baby. Then again, if
> anyone is so worried about having a cat and a baby at the same time I have
> a suggestion: close the door to the nursery. Ya know, they make these
> "newfangled" electronic gadgets called baby monitors...
>
> I felt so sorry for the little boy who lived next door to me when I was in
> TN. His mother said he just *loved* seeing my cat sitting on the
> windowsill. He wanted a cat. She said, "We can't let him have a cat
> because I'm going to have a baby." Uh, what?

My friend has three girls. She got a cute little kitten. The girls all
loved it. She kept it for maybe two weeks then gave it to a shelter like it
was no big deal. The reason? It got fleas and one of her girls got flea
bites and was allergic.

Not long later she got a puppy. I was like... Uh... Wha? Dogs don't get
fleas? Actually I have had both and I know that dogs are far more likely to
get fleas. And I don't know if this is true or not but a vet told me there
is a difference between dog fleas and cat fleas.

This after we were on our way to moving to Cape Cod but stayed with
relatives in PA while they readied our military housing for us. SIL got
fleas in her house and blamed my cat. I insisted that Maui had no fleas but
just to be on the safe side, I did bath her in the shower and used a flea
comb which turned up nothing. I then agreed take her to the vet for some of
that medication that you put on their neck which at the time could only be
gotten at the vet.

The vet agreed that she had no fleas but sold me the medication just in
case. SIL had brought a dead flea in a bag for proof. Vet looked at it and
said that it was a dog flea. SIL apologized to me and told my FIL that he'd
better get his dog treated. She frequently let the dog into her house.

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/27/2013 6:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> We did see an older guy by the
>> grocery store eating from a bag of McDonald's food and he also had a
>> white bag of something. His sign said that he was homeless but he did
>> look well fed.
>
> Rather than giving cash to someone begging I'll give them a bag of food
> from McDonald's or Burger King or whatever is closest. I've done that a
> few times and the food is almost always very gratefully received. I know
> I'm not the only person to do that.

Okay...

On 2013-12-28 6:31 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
> On 12/27/2013 6:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> We did see an older guy by the
>> grocery store eating from a bag of McDonald's food and he also had a
>> white bag of something. His sign said that he was homeless but he did
>> look well fed.
>
> Rather than giving cash to someone begging I'll give them a bag of food
> from McDonald's or Burger King or whatever is closest. I've done that a
> few times and the food is almost always very gratefully received. I
> know I'm not the only person to do that.
>
IOW, you are not the only one who likes to make sure that your
charitable donation is going to feed the person and not be spent on
drugs or booze.

On 12/29/2013 12:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2013-12-28 6:31 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
>> On 12/27/2013 6:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> We did see an older guy by the
>>> grocery store eating from a bag of McDonald's food and he also had a
>>> white bag of something. His sign said that he was homeless but he did
>>> look well fed.
>>
>> Rather than giving cash to someone begging I'll give them a bag of food
>> from McDonald's or Burger King or whatever is closest. I've done that a
>> few times and the food is almost always very gratefully received. I
>> know I'm not the only person to do that.
>>
> IOW, you are not the only one who likes to make sure that your
> charitable donation is going to feed the person and not be spent on
> drugs or booze.

Some years back I encountered a homeless guy when I stopped to put gas
in the car. The gas station was right next to a liquor store. He asked
if I had a couple of dollars I could give him. Nope, sorry, but if
you're hungry, walk over there to the Burger King and I'll buy you a meal.

He wouldn't go inside. (Good thing, because he was really filthy. His
name was Steve, BTW.) He saw a poster outside and asked, tentatively,
"Could I have that Angus burger?" Sure! I bought him some fries, too.
He declined a soft drink so I brought him ice water. He seemed very
grateful to get the meal. Still, I doubt he'd have gone over to BK if
I'd just handed him a few dollars.

Jill