On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:16:54 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>
>"Susan" > wrote in message
>
>>
>> Such bad information comes from the grain and soda pop money pouring into
>> the pockets of putative public health authorities.
>>
>
>That stupid statement is akin to nutcases accusing "Big Pharma" of being
>behind, inter alia, flu vaccination programs.
>Graham

That's right. They are all paragons of good ethics and put the
public's well being before profits, don't they?
ROTFL...

On 1/6/2014 8:21 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Welcome to the group, stupid assholes!
>
> -sw


Take it back to aff-f, troll.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:16:54 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Susan" > wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>> Such bad information comes from the grain and soda pop money pouring
>>> into
>>> the pockets of putative public health authorities.
>>>
>>
>>That stupid statement is akin to nutcases accusing "Big Pharma" of being
>>behind, inter alia, flu vaccination programs.
>>Graham
>
> That's right. They are all paragons of good ethics and put the
> public's well being before profits, don't they?
> ROTFL...
>
A few weeks ago, a young mother in this city was so suspicious of "Big
Pharma" that she treated her son with homeopathic remedies (i.e., water) and
he died of a serious bacterial infection that antibiotics from "Big Pharma"
would have cured.
Nothing to laugh about there!!!!!
Graham

On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:49:06 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:16:54 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Susan" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Such bad information comes from the grain and soda pop money pouring
>>>> into
>>>> the pockets of putative public health authorities.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That stupid statement is akin to nutcases accusing "Big Pharma" of being
>>>behind, inter alia, flu vaccination programs.
>>>Graham
>>
>> That's right. They are all paragons of good ethics and put the
>> public's well being before profits, don't they?
>> ROTFL...
>>
>A few weeks ago, a young mother in this city was so suspicious of "Big
>Pharma" that she treated her son with homeopathic remedies (i.e., water) and
>he died of a serious bacterial infection that antibiotics from "Big Pharma"
>would have cured.
>Nothing to laugh about there!!!!!

Would you like to explain the connection between some what some
complete idiot does and anyone else who questions existing paradigms?
By your own logic you should reject any changes to accepted wisdom
going back centuries ago.

On 1/6/2014 11:25 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 09:21:38 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 06:39:22 -0800, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
>>>>>
>>>>> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
>>>>>
>>>>> diet out there.
>>>>
>>>> She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her and
>>>> her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>>>
>>> I don't see you or Jebus with a degree in anything medical, practicing
>>> and well known the field. Until then you're full of shit so STFU, you
>>> stupid assholes.
>>
>> Welcome to the group, stupid assholes!
>
> LOL , I guess that is the opposite of a smart-ass
>
> In response to the heifer, my ex-GF is a nutritionist and we both have
> had a big interest in this topic (amongst others) for many, many years
> (not that you really need qualifications in this area, anyway). Anyone
> who is just going to blindly accept anything the mainstream preaches
> is always going to be largely misinformed.
>
How many wild Aussie wabbits have you eaten this year?

On 1/6/2014 11:19 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> That was fine many years ago
> pre-agriculture, but now we have unlimited access to them.

What, wabbits?

LOl, you sure do...

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:00:44 -0700, Casa Milagro > wrote:

> On 1/6/2014 11:25 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 09:21:38 -0600, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 06:39:22 -0800, sf wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
> >>>>>
> >>>>> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diet out there.
> >>>>
> >>>> She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her and
> >>>> her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
> >>>
> >>> I don't see you or Jebus with a degree in anything medical, practicing
> >>> and well known the field. Until then you're full of shit so STFU, you
> >>> stupid assholes.
> >>
> >> Welcome to the group, stupid assholes!
> >
> > LOL , I guess that is the opposite of a smart-ass
> >
> > In response to the heifer, my ex-GF is a nutritionist and we both have
> > had a big interest in this topic (amongst others) for many, many years
> > (not that you really need qualifications in this area, anyway). Anyone
> > who is just going to blindly accept anything the mainstream preaches
> > is always going to be largely misinformed.
> >
> How many wild Aussie wabbits have you eaten this year?

Ah, yes. The "mainstream" is all wrong and we should be impressed
with his so called expertise. Why? Because he says so and he also
found a few like minded crackpots on the internet who agree with him.
Whoop tee doo.

--
"Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
(Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:19:50 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> >>
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
> >>
> >> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
> >>
> >> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
> >>
> >> diet out there.
> >
> >She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her and
> >her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>
> Exactly. Any recommendations from diabetes foundations or similar
> should be viewed with healthy scepticism.
>
> Carbs were a very scarce resource in nature (for the most part), and
> our bodies are tuned to crave them. That was fine many years ago
> pre-agriculture, but now we have unlimited access to them.

Have fun jacking each other off.

--
"Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
(Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> > >> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> > >> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
>> >
>> > Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
>> >
>> > to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
>> >
>> > diet out there.
>>
>> She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her
>> and
>> her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>>
>
> I don't see you or Jebus with a degree in anything medical, practicing
> and well known the field. Until then you're full of shit so STFU, you
> stupid assholes.

My, my!

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 09:21:38 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 06:39:22 -0800, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
>>>>>
>>>>> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
>>>>>
>>>>> diet out there.
>>>>
>>>> She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her
>>>> and
>>>> her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>>>
>>> I don't see you or Jebus with a degree in anything medical, practicing
>>> and well known the field. Until then you're full of shit so STFU, you
>>> stupid assholes.
>>
>>Welcome to the group, stupid assholes!
>
> LOL , I guess that is the opposite of a smart-ass
>
> In response to the heifer, my ex-GF is a nutritionist and we both have
> had a big interest in this topic (amongst others) for many, many years
> (not that you really need qualifications in this area, anyway). Anyone
> who is just going to blindly accept anything the mainstream preaches
> is always going to be largely misinformed.

Agree with you there and still say no one size fits all.

"Susan" > wrote in message
...
> x-no-archive; yes
>
> On 1/5/2014 11:44 PM, John J wrote:
>> Lol, yes, preferably, but most people aren't at risk of that.
>
> Sadly, not so true as it once was.
>
> With at least 50% of the population expected to be diabetic (or already
> so) and diabetic complications setting in much lower than the diagnostic
> levels, more than half the population is at elevated risk of kidney and
> vision damage, neuropathies, gastroparesis, and limb amputation or a
> combination of those pluse cardiovascular disease.

I am beginning to think that we as a whole have outlived our...I don't know
what but... Something is clearly wrong with the world. Wacky weather all
over. People who are being kept alive with medicines and other means and
yet they have no quality of life. I saw this where my dad was living.
Brains having little capacity for thinking, mouths unable to speak or even
eat much. Bodies not mobile. Dependent on someone else to pretty much
everything for them. Yes, typical of a certain part of old age but... To
what end?

And younger people... No longer dying of things that used to do people in.
But now? We have resistant super bugs. Bodies full of chemicals, even when
we go to great lengths to be careful what we eat. Where does this all end?
It doesn't. We'll just keep getting sicker and sicker and they'll inject us
with stuff or prescribe some pretty little pills for us. We'll take them
and hope that those pills don't kill us or give us side effect worse than
what they were trying to fix.

By the time my dad died, he was on so many medications, I can't even
remember what all they were or what some of them were for. And this seems
to be typical. We seem to have created a monster! Yes, technology, science
and medicine are all great things but... At the rate we are going, more of
us are going to have diabetes than not. And attempts to nip it in the bud
have failed. We're all doomed!

Susan > wrote in
:

> With at least 50% of the population expected to be diabetic
> (or already so) and diabetic complications setting in much
> lower than the diagnostic levels, more than half the
> population is at elevated risk of kidney and vision damage,
> neuropathies, gastroparesis, and limb amputation or a
> combination of those pluse cardiovascular disease.

Only if the condition remains untreated.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:09:33 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:19:50 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
>>>>>
>>>>> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
>>>>>
>>>>> diet out there.
>>>>
>>>>She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her
>>>>and
>>>>her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>>>
>>> Exactly. Any recommendations from diabetes foundations or similar
>>> should be viewed with healthy scepticism.
>>>
>>> Carbs were a very scarce resource in nature (for the most part), and
>>> our bodies are tuned to crave them. That was fine many years ago
>>> pre-agriculture, but now we have unlimited access to them.
>>
>> Have fun jacking each other off.
>
> Barbara, of course, has no knowledge and nothing of substance to add
> to the subject at hand. She just likes to watch and call everybody
> stupid.
>
> Sounds like somebody needs a new set of batteries herself.

That's what I was thinking.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:32:02 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
>>Ever tried Weight Watchers? I have seen amazing and LASTING results on
>>ppl who thought they could never lose. It's not a fad diet - just
>>sensible eating in the right portions. Coupled with a religious exercise
>>program, I don't think you can go wrong.
>
> About 13 years ago when I was overweight and went low-carb (which
> worked brilliantly, BTW), I would check the Weight Watchers products
> in the supermarkets and almost *everything* of theirs was loaded with
> carbs (even dairy products!) and low fat... how anyone lost weight on
> them is beyond me.
> I hope the above is no longer the case.

It's still the case and I know plenty of people who did lose weight on them.

Now me? I managed to lose 30 pounds on a diet that I devised. It was
mostly carbs, extremely low fat and had very little protein. It was a
vegetarian diet. In those days, I was mainly concerned with eating low fat
and didn't even think to factor protein into it. I ate mostly vegetables,
some grains and beans, some nuts, small amount of fruit, egg whites, the
occasional whole egg, perhaps baked into something and small amounts of what
was labeled as low fat cheese but in retrospect I doubt that it really was.
Tasted too good to be that.

The problem? Well, there were actually several. One, I had hit a plateau.
I could not lose any more weight. But that was okay with me. I looked good!
Two, I felt like crap. Weak, tired, incredibly cranky. It was all I could
do to drag myself though the day at work and do a little shopping. I did go
out dancing once or twice a week as a form of exercise and oh yes that did
factor in. I worked out with weights and did other things for at least 2
hours a day. To the point that I sustained overuse injuries and had to back
off of the weights for several months. But... In order to maintain this
weight loss, I had to continue this diet. And that just wasn't doable for
me in the long run. It wasn't enough food for me and I was constantly
hungry. Eventually I snapped and went back to eating more normally, for me
anyway. Such is the way of most diets and why they don't work in the long
run.

"The Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:43 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:32:02 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:
>>
>>>Ever tried Weight Watchers? I have seen amazing and LASTING results on
>>>ppl who thought they could never lose. It's not a fad diet - just
>>>sensible eating in the right portions. Coupled with a religious exercise
>>>program, I don't think you can go wrong.
>>
>>About 13 years ago when I was overweight and went low-carb
>
> I recently considered limiting carbs just to see what effect it would
> have on me.
>
> The PROBLEM was one site says all meat is good, another says something
> different.
>
> Potatoes are bad one place, good another. Same with carrots.
>
> I can NOT get consistent info at ALL about low carb foods!!

And the term low carb is meaningless. Some say it means 10 grams or less
per day. Those are the ones who will shun carrots and even onions because
they think they have to many carbs in them.

Some will say 60 grams or less per day.

I have even seen less than 120 grams per day and I don't personally think
that is low carb.

But the reality of it is this. Cut out a whole slew of foods and you'll
automatically lose some weight right off the bat because you are taking in
less carbs. Might only be 10 pounds. Also when you start any weight loss
diet, the first bit of weight you will lose is water weight. Not fat. I
know countless people who were impressed with the sudden and dramatic weight
loss they had on the low carb diet but... They were unable to stick with it
past 2-3 weeks. They surmised that they would have continued the dramatic
weight loss had they been able to stick with the diet. But probably not.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
crg.pbz...
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, notbob wrote:
>
>> I'm giving it a try. Mainly cuz I GOTTA lose some weight. Anyway, is
>> it a viable eating approach or jes another scam? It appeals to me cuz
>> it allows a lotta veggies and some fruits. Not ultra restrictive like
>> Atkins. Basically, I jes plan to cut out all refined carbs, like cake,
>> cookies, crackers, cereals, bread, beer, etc. Like Dave said, jes eat
>> more veggies and fruits.
>>
>> My problem is, I'm put off by the overwhelming commercialism of the
>> whole thing. It's almost impossible to find any info without being
>> bombarded with a barrage of books, ebooks, plans, lists, etc, that ALL
>> want $$$$!!! Even the originating doctor --from the UofCO, no less--
>> looks more like a snake oil salesman than someone who cares about my
>> health. Not at all reasuring.
>
> I'm reading this one;
> <http://www.amazon.com/The-Every-Other-Day-Diet-That-Weight/dp/1401324932/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389035721&sr=8-1&keywords=varady>
>
> The Every-Other-Day Diet: The Diet That Lets You Eat All You Want (Half
> the Time) and Keep the Weight Off
>
> This probably came out of her work researching the "alternate day fast"
> method of weight loss. Every other day you eat only 500 calories, and you
> can eat whatever on the other days. What she found is that most folks
> don't make up the calories missed on the 500 cal days, and they lose
> weight.
>
> Easy peasy, but the first 2 weeks are hard.

I would imagine that such a diet would put extreme stress on the body and be
harmful to people with medical conditions like diabetes. For me? If I am
sick and unable to eat or eat much, I will lose. But as soon as I resume
eating, that weight comes back.

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
. ..
> Susan > wrote in
> :
>
>> With at least 50% of the population expected to be diabetic
>> (or already so) and diabetic complications setting in much
>> lower than the diagnostic levels, more than half the
>> population is at elevated risk of kidney and vision damage,
>> neuropathies, gastroparesis, and limb amputation or a
>> combination of those pluse cardiovascular disease.
>
> Only if the condition remains untreated.

Nope. Many of us had damage upon diagnosis. And I am being treated yet I
now have bleeding in my eyes. There is just so much we don't know about
diabetes and so much that we really can't do about it. Pretty much all we
can do is try to control the blood sugar but there is so much more to it.

notbob wrote:
> On 2014-01-06, Steve Freides > wrote:
>
>> I've chimed in twice already on this thread but I'll make one reply
>> directly to you.
>>
>> You don't need to "go Paleo" as an all-or-nothing proposition. Read
>> about it, understand the principles, and start - gradually - changing
>> your diet. Any time you move in the direction of a less processed,
>> closer to the source kind of food, you'll be doing something positive
>> for yourself and your diet. Diets get to be like religious wars -
>> there's no need for that.
>
> I've read them, so will respond to this direct post.
>
> I agree, Steve. I'm too old and have suffered too many diets to be
> imfluenced/impressed by what others may claim. Like I said, I'm
> embracing this regimen on a skeptical basis, but like the conceptual
> basis behind it. I know that we've been brainwashed for the last half
> century by the grain industry and have all become "crackers". Ppl who
> can't survive without a grain based fix.
>
> Even fruits have been replicated in grain form. Banana Twinkies
> scream out in my brain! Likewise, pies, tarts, candies, etc. Can't
> we eat a fruit w/o a grain crust? Can't we eat a veggie or meat w/o
> it being in a dough coffin? Wraps? Tortillas? Sandwiches? Pot
> pies? Can't a piece of meat be served w/o it being inconito in a
> grain based disguise? Battered fish, Beef Wellington? Buns around
> every meat variation ever created? I recall, with affection, the
> protein burger from In and Out burger. They really were quite
> delicious. So much so, I never missed the bun.
>
> We'll see.
>
> nb

Your attitude sounds healthy to me. FWIW, my own approach is to eat
super-healthy in the morning - small portion, nuts, fruit, and not much
else. I might have a little bit of carbs in the afternoon but even that
isn't bad, usually a bar from Dale's Raw Foods - it's got every healthy
adjective you can think of attached to it: raw, vegan, dairy-free,
gluten-free, organic, etc. And then come dinner, I have more or less
what I please, but I still always go for grass-fed, organic, etc., as
much as possible. I would also describe myself as liking the conceptual
basis behind Paleo.

Best of luck to you and looking forward to a report a bit down the road
on how it's working out for you.

Disclaimer - I have an affiliate link with Dale's Raw Food. I hasten to
add that no one has ever used it, but I'll post it here in case someone
wants to try:

http://www.mcssl.com/app?af=1557995

and if you want to skip that and just go to their web site directly,
it's dalesrawfoods.com

-S-

In article >,
"Steve Freides" > wrote:

> notbob wrote:
> > On 2014-01-06, Steve Freides > wrote:
> >
> >> I've chimed in twice already on this thread but I'll make one reply
> >> directly to you.
> >>
> >> You don't need to "go Paleo" as an all-or-nothing proposition. Read
> >> about it, understand the principles, and start - gradually - changing
> >> your diet. Any time you move in the direction of a less processed,
> >> closer to the source kind of food, you'll be doing something positive
> >> for yourself and your diet. Diets get to be like religious wars -
> >> there's no need for that.
> >
> > I've read them, so will respond to this direct post.
> >
> > I agree, Steve. I'm too old and have suffered too many diets to be
> > imfluenced/impressed by what others may claim. Like I said, I'm
> > embracing this regimen on a skeptical basis, but like the conceptual
> > basis behind it. I know that we've been brainwashed for the last half
> > century by the grain industry and have all become "crackers". Ppl who
> > can't survive without a grain based fix.
> >
> > Even fruits have been replicated in grain form. Banana Twinkies
> > scream out in my brain! Likewise, pies, tarts, candies, etc. Can't
> > we eat a fruit w/o a grain crust? Can't we eat a veggie or meat w/o
> > it being in a dough coffin? Wraps? Tortillas? Sandwiches? Pot
> > pies? Can't a piece of meat be served w/o it being inconito in a
> > grain based disguise? Battered fish, Beef Wellington? Buns around
> > every meat variation ever created? I recall, with affection, the
> > protein burger from In and Out burger. They really were quite
> > delicious. So much so, I never missed the bun.
> >
> > We'll see.
> >
> > nb
>
> Your attitude sounds healthy to me. FWIW, my own approach is to eat
> super-healthy in the morning - small portion, nuts, fruit, and not much
> else. I might have a little bit of carbs in the afternoon but even that
> isn't bad, usually a bar from Dale's Raw Foods - it's got every healthy
> adjective you can think of attached to it: raw, vegan, dairy-free,
> gluten-free, organic, etc. And then come dinner, I have more or less
> what I please, but I still always go for grass-fed, organic, etc., as
> much as possible. I would also describe myself as liking the conceptual
> basis behind Paleo.
>
> Best of luck to you and looking forward to a report a bit down the road
> on how it's working out for you.
>
> Disclaimer - I have an affiliate link with Dale's Raw Food. I hasten to
> add that no one has ever used it, but I'll post it here in case someone
> wants to try:
>
> http://www.mcssl.com/app?af=1557995
>
> and if you want to skip that and just go to their web site directly,
> it's dalesrawfoods.com
>
> -S-

story on NPR today that the earliest known case of dental caries is from
skeletal remains from the Paleo diet era

On Monday, January 6, 2014 3:03:32 PM UTC-6, The Other Guy wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:43 +1100, Je�us > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:32:02 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>Ever tried Weight Watchers? I have seen amazing and LASTING results on ppl who thought they could never lose. It's not a fad diet - just sensible eating in the right portions. Coupled with a religious exercise program, I don't think you can go wrong.
>
> >
>
> >About 13 years ago when I was overweight and went low-carb
>
>
>
> I recently considered limiting carbs just to see what effect it would
>
> have on me.
>
>
>
> The PROBLEM was one site says all meat is good, another says something
> different.
>
Lean meat is good. Animal fats are not particularly healthful,
but they're also not horribly unhealthful, especially in the context
of a low carb regimen.
>
> Potatoes are bad one place, good another. Same with carrots.
>
NO legit low carb resource says potatoes are good. Carrots?
Well, they're delicious, but they are a carby *treat*, not an
acceptable staple.
>
> I can NOT get consistent info at ALL about low carb foods!!
>
Any simpleton should be able to understand that foods high on the
glycemic index promote hunger, good fats are the best source of
calories, and green leafy vegetables totally kick ass**. Avocados,
nuts and olives are great.

The newfangled high oleic oils like HO sunflower are spectacular.
Partially hydrogenated oils are pure evil.


** While I detest the taste of cabbage, kale, etc. I admit that they
are some of the most healthful foods.

--B

John J wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:46:03 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:
>
>>NO legit low carb resource says potatoes are good. Carrots?
>>Well, they're delicious, but they are a carby *treat*, not an
>>acceptable staple.
>
> Poor people.

also not an acceptable staple

although maybe someday ...

On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 16:24:01 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:09:33 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:19:50 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
>>>>>
>>>>> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
>>>>>
>>>>> diet out there.
>>>>
>>>>She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her and
>>>>her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>>>
>>> Exactly. Any recommendations from diabetes foundations or similar
>>> should be viewed with healthy scepticism.
>>>
>>> Carbs were a very scarce resource in nature (for the most part), and
>>> our bodies are tuned to crave them. That was fine many years ago
>>> pre-agriculture, but now we have unlimited access to them.
>>
>> Have fun jacking each other off.
>
>Barbara, of course, has no knowledge and nothing of substance to add
>to the subject at hand. She just likes to watch and call everybody
>stupid.
>
>Sounds like somebody needs a new set of batteries herself.

I pity the poor implement.

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:16:57 +1100, John J > wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:43 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:32:02 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:
>>
>>>Ever tried Weight Watchers? I have seen amazing and LASTING results on ppl who thought they could never lose. It's not a fad diet - just sensible eating in the right portions. Coupled with a religious exercise program, I don't think you can go wrong.
>>
>>About 13 years ago when I was overweight and went low-carb (which
>>worked brilliantly, BTW), I would check the Weight Watchers products
>>in the supermarkets and almost *everything* of theirs was loaded with
>>carbs (even dairy products!) and low fat... how anyone lost weight on
>>them is beyond me.
>>I hope the above is no longer the case.
>
>Maybe by applying a revolutionary technique called moderation.

What you eat is more important than how much you eat.

As an aside, since completely changing my lifestyle 5 years ago I now
find I can eat a lot of carbs such as spuds and carrots without
gaining weight.

I get a lot of exercise, and I've noticed that even though I have a
wheat intolerance I can now indulge in a loaf per week whereas before
it would have made me feel 'blah'... exercise play a big part not just
in losing weight but how your body deals with what you put into it.

I pretty much eat what I and my friends grow or hunt/fish and not much
else. Just simple meat, fish, poultry, dairy, fruit and veggies. Loads
of saturated fats... Very little comes from a packet... coffee beans
being a very important exception! I've noticed that none of these
friends of mine are overweight, funnily enough...

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 13:03:32 -0800, The Other Guy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:43 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:32:02 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:
>>
>>>Ever tried Weight Watchers? I have seen amazing and LASTING results on ppl who thought they could never lose. It's not a fad diet - just sensible eating in the right portions. Coupled with a religious exercise program, I don't think you can go wrong.
>>
>>About 13 years ago when I was overweight and went low-carb
>
>I recently considered limiting carbs just to see what effect it would
>have on me.
>
>The PROBLEM was one site says all meat is good, another says something
>different.

Yeah... possibly they were referring to grass fed meat vs. grain fed
meat? Grass fed is much better but no need to take things that far if
you would prefer not to.

>Potatoes are bad one place, good another. Same with carrots.

It can get complicated for the beginner When I went low carb about
13 years ago I did cut out potato and carrots, and I certainly did
lose weigh... and rapidly. Years later I am not so much concerned
about carbs per-se rather than the type of carbs. I would suggest you
decide for yourself whether to include potatos and carrots.

>I can NOT get consistent info at ALL about low carb foods!!

You won't

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 19:21:04 +1100, John J > wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:41:04 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:16:57 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:43 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:32:02 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ever tried Weight Watchers? I have seen amazing and LASTING results on ppl who thought they could never lose. It's not a fad diet - just sensible eating in the right portions. Coupled with a religious exercise program, I don't think you can go wrong.
>>>>
>>>>About 13 years ago when I was overweight and went low-carb (which
>>>>worked brilliantly, BTW), I would check the Weight Watchers products
>>>>in the supermarkets and almost *everything* of theirs was loaded with
>>>>carbs (even dairy products!) and low fat... how anyone lost weight on
>>>>them is beyond me.
>>>>I hope the above is no longer the case.
>>>
>>>Maybe by applying a revolutionary technique called moderation.
>>
>>What you eat is more important than how much you eat.
>>
>>As an aside, since completely changing my lifestyle 5 years ago I now
>>find I can eat a lot of carbs such as spuds and carrots without
>>gaining weight.
>>
>>I get a lot of exercise, and I've noticed that even though I have a
>>wheat intolerance I can now indulge in a loaf per week whereas before
>>it would have made me feel 'blah'... exercise play a big part not just
>>in losing weight but how your body deals with what you put into it.
>>
>>I pretty much eat what I and my friends grow or hunt/fish and not much
>>else. Just simple meat, fish, poultry, dairy, fruit and veggies.
>
>And bread

Well... yes... only one loaf and it's made from Spelt

>>Loads
>>of saturated fats... Very little comes from a packet... coffee beans
>>being a very important exception! I've noticed that none of these
>>friends of mine are overweight, funnily enough...
>
>Their intake and their output must be balanced.

Indeed, whilst most people will get good results on such a diet,
without exercise it'll only go so far.

I imagine a crystal meth diet would be very effective

On 2014-01-07, Steve Freides > wrote:

> Best of luck to you and looking forward to a report a bit down the road
> on how it's working out for you.

So far, I'm feeling pretty good. Not craving any carbs, at all. I
start out the day drinking 2-3 Cs tea and picking at last night
leftover dinner. Beef stew, sausage, deviled ham, etc. Anything to
give me some protein to get me going. I've even started drinking my
tea w/o honey. Not bad. This gets me through the morning.

If I'm hungary by afternoon, I'll eat some roasted almonds or deviled
ham on a celery stick. For dinner I'm famished, but jes more meat and
veggies. Cole slaw (dressing is my one weakness), broccoli w/ real
hollandaise, etc. If I'm jonesing for a sweet, before bedtime, I'll
eat some fresh blackberries plus a bit of Lindt dark chocolate (85%).

Haven't stepped on a scale yet, but I feel thinner already.
Definitely less geezer aches and pains, in the morning, which is an
unexpected bonus. I think I can do this.

nb

On 2014-01-07, Jeßus > wrote:

> I pretty much eat what I and my friends grow or hunt/fish and not much
> else. Just simple meat, fish, poultry, dairy, fruit and veggies. Loads
> of saturated fats... Very little comes from a packet... coffee beans
> being a very important exception! I've noticed that none of these
> friends of mine are overweight, funnily enough...

I think an active lifestyle is a good part of it. I'm trying to
become more active, after being housebound for my mom for so long,
and gaining too much weight. I usta walk a lot and am now persuing
that simple but effective exercise, again. Even in this brutal cold.

Finally broke down and bought some mittens (gloves weren't getting it)
and some of those ice spike thingies (Duenorth), which work very well.
I hope to get into good enough shape to start fishing, again. I love
to eat fish.

nb

On Monday, January 6, 2014 11:18:38 PM UTC-6, tert in seattle wrote:
> John J wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:46:03 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>NO legit low carb resource says potatoes are good. Carrots?
>
> >>Well, they're delicious, but they are a carby *treat*, not an
>
> >>acceptable staple.
>
> >
>
> > Poor people.
>
>
>
> also not an acceptable staple
>
>
>
> although maybe someday ...

Soylent Green is low carb!

--B

On 1/6/2014 3:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Barbara, of course, has no knowledge and nothing of substance to add
> to the subject at hand.

Drip spite much, dwarf?

On 1/6/2014 3:07 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:00:44 -0700, Casa Milagro > wrote:
>
>> On 1/6/2014 11:25 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 09:21:38 -0600, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 06:39:22 -0800, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diet out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her and
>>>>>> her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see you or Jebus with a degree in anything medical, practicing
>>>>> and well known the field. Until then you're full of shit so STFU, you
>>>>> stupid assholes.
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the group, stupid assholes!
>>>
>>> LOL , I guess that is the opposite of a smart-ass
>>>
>>> In response to the heifer, my ex-GF is a nutritionist and we both have
>>> had a big interest in this topic (amongst others) for many, many years
>>> (not that you really need qualifications in this area, anyway). Anyone
>>> who is just going to blindly accept anything the mainstream preaches
>>> is always going to be largely misinformed.
>>>
>> How many wild Aussie wabbits have you eaten this year?
>
> Ah, yes. The "mainstream" is all wrong and we should be impressed
> with his so called expertise. Why? Because he says so and he also
> found a few like minded crackpots on the internet who agree with him.
> Whoop tee doo.
>

Peer herding is so trite...

On 1/6/2014 7:39 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 05:13:00 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:48:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:59 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict Paleo.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> NO! YOU DON'T!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree absolutely. That was a bloody stupid statement from SF.
>>>
>>> Please ignore it. If somebody struggles to maintain a paleo diet due
>>>
>>> to lack of carbs, then they may as well give up. There is no easier
>>>
>>> diet out there.
>>
>> She was just parroting the crap that the diabetes dieticians *fed* her and
>> her husband. Carbs should be treats, never staples.
>>
>
> I don't see you or Jebus with a degree in anything medical, practicing
> and well known the field. Until then you're full of shit so STFU, you
> stupid assholes.
>
He's got wabbit fever!

notbob wrote:
> On 2014-01-07, Steve Freides > wrote:
>
>> Best of luck to you and looking forward to a report a bit down the
>> road on how it's working out for you.
>
> So far, I'm feeling pretty good. Not craving any carbs, at all. I
> start out the day drinking 2-3 Cs tea and picking at last night
> leftover dinner. Beef stew, sausage, deviled ham, etc. Anything to
> give me some protein to get me going. I've even started drinking my
> tea w/o honey. Not bad. This gets me through the morning.
>
> If I'm hungary by afternoon, I'll eat some roasted almonds or deviled
> ham on a celery stick. For dinner I'm famished, but jes more meat and
> veggies. Cole slaw (dressing is my one weakness), broccoli w/ real
> hollandaise, etc. If I'm jonesing for a sweet, before bedtime, I'll
> eat some fresh blackberries plus a bit of Lindt dark chocolate (85%).
>
> Haven't stepped on a scale yet, but I feel thinner already.
> Definitely less geezer aches and pains, in the morning, which is an
> unexpected bonus. I think I can do this.
>
> nb

I read an interesting piece the other day that cited one of the benefits
of a high protein diet being it takes more work to metabolize protein
than other things, so if you increase your percentage of protein, you'll
burn more calories just by doing that. Makes some sense to me.

-S-

On 7 Jan 2014 15:22:09 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> So far, I'm feeling pretty good. Not craving any carbs, at all.

How many hours has it been?

When you don't need to lose weight, you don't "crave" carbs - you eat
until you're full and then you're hungry in just a couple of hours.
Carbs help you not feel hungry so fast. The pseudo scientists here
can yap away, but that's what happened at my house. Hubby is keeping
his fat and carb intake at the low end of moderate. He's feeling
great, his check up numbers are well within norms and he didn't have
to go on some crazy diet to get everything under control.

--
"Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
(Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

On 7 Jan 2014 15:31:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>
> I think an active lifestyle is a good part of it. I'm trying to
> become more active, after being housebound for my mom for so long,
> and gaining too much weight. I usta walk a lot and am now persuing
> that simple but effective exercise, again.

Yes. Hubby walks almost daily - a minimum of 4 miles and sometimes as
many as 10. We have a community college a mile or so away with 100+
stairs on a steep hill that he uses as his stairmaster, so he gets
that kind of a cardio workout too. It's all good.

--
"Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
(Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:24:30 -0700, Casa Milagro > wrote:

> On 1/6/2014 3:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > Barbara, of course, has no knowledge and nothing of substance to add
> > to the subject at hand.
>
> Drip spite much, dwarf?

Fatso the dwarf? Unlike him, I have personal experience with the
subject and know what works.

--
"Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
(Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

On 1/7/2014 12:10 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:24:30 -0700, Casa Milagro > wrote:
>
>> On 1/6/2014 3:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> Barbara, of course, has no knowledge and nothing of substance to add
>>> to the subject at hand.
>>
>> Drip spite much, dwarf?
>
> Fatso the dwarf?

dat be him ;-)

> Unlike him, I have personal experience with the
> subject and know what works.

As ably demonstrated hereon.

jay wrote:
>
> Eating in moderation the things you like, assuming they
> are somewhat nutritious and moving is my "diet" of choice.

I agree and I think that's the best *diet* that might last forever.
Assuming you eat fairly healthy, just cut down on your portions and
get more active. Diet and exercise do work well together. Don't go
extreme and try to lose the weight too fast or you will be miserable.
Just cut down the calories slightly and increase your exercise.

G.

On 7 Jan 2014 15:31:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-01-07, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> I pretty much eat what I and my friends grow or hunt/fish and not much
>> else. Just simple meat, fish, poultry, dairy, fruit and veggies. Loads
>> of saturated fats... Very little comes from a packet... coffee beans
>> being a very important exception! I've noticed that none of these
>> friends of mine are overweight, funnily enough...
>
>I think an active lifestyle is a good part of it. I'm trying to
>become more active, after being housebound for my mom for so long,
>and gaining too much weight. I usta walk a lot and am now persuing
>that simple but effective exercise, again. Even in this brutal cold.

Not the best of times to be outdoors where you are!

>Finally broke down and bought some mittens (gloves weren't getting it)
>and some of those ice spike thingies (Duenorth), which work very well.
>I hope to get into good enough shape to start fishing, again. I love
>to eat fish.

Good luck with the fishing

On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:22:46 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:32:02 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Ever tried Weight Watchers? I have seen amazing and LASTING results on
>>>ppl who thought they could never lose. It's not a fad diet - just
>>>sensible eating in the right portions. Coupled with a religious exercise
>>>program, I don't think you can go wrong.
>>
>> About 13 years ago when I was overweight and went low-carb (which
>> worked brilliantly, BTW), I would check the Weight Watchers products
>> in the supermarkets and almost *everything* of theirs was loaded with
>> carbs (even dairy products!) and low fat... how anyone lost weight on
>> them is beyond me.
>> I hope the above is no longer the case.
>
>It's still the case and I know plenty of people who did lose weight on them.

Did they keep it off? Maybe they did, but nearly any diet will produce
good results in the short term... over the long term it's often
another matter.

>Now me? I managed to lose 30 pounds on a diet that I devised. It was
>mostly carbs, extremely low fat and had very little protein. It was a
>vegetarian diet. In those days, I was mainly concerned with eating low fat
>and didn't even think to factor protein into it. I ate mostly vegetables,
>some grains and beans, some nuts, small amount of fruit, egg whites, the
>occasional whole egg, perhaps baked into something and small amounts of what
>was labeled as low fat cheese but in retrospect I doubt that it really was.
>Tasted too good to be that.
>
>The problem? Well, there were actually several. One, I had hit a plateau.
>I could not lose any more weight. But that was okay with me. I looked good!
>Two, I felt like crap. Weak, tired, incredibly cranky. It was all I could
>do to drag myself though the day at work and do a little shopping. I did go
>out dancing once or twice a week as a form of exercise and oh yes that did
>factor in. I worked out with weights and did other things for at least 2
>hours a day. To the point that I sustained overuse injuries and had to back
>off of the weights for several months. But... In order to maintain this
>weight loss, I had to continue this diet. And that just wasn't doable for
>me in the long run. It wasn't enough food for me and I was constantly
>hungry. Eventually I snapped and went back to eating more normally, for me
>anyway. Such is the way of most diets and why they don't work in the long
>run.

Being on a 'diet' and expecting it to be a temporary thing is an
illogical, but a common expectation. Permanent lifestyle changes have
to happen to be effective.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> notbob wrote:
>
> >I think an active lifestyle is a good part of it. I'm trying to
> >become more active, after being housebound for my mom for so long,
> >and gaining too much weight. I usta walk a lot and am now persuing
> >that simple but effective exercise, again. Even in this brutal cold.
>
> Not the best of times to be outdoors where you are!

Yeah...be careful with the frostbite issue, nb. It can set in without
warning especially on your exposed face.

G.