On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:00:32 -0700, casa querida > wrote:

> >>>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict
> >>>>>>> Paleo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
> > So the next time SF makes a claim about pretty much anything, it is now
> > fair game to declare her a "full of shit stupid asshole" unless she can
> > produce a degree which qualifies her to speak on the subject.
>
> Given your irrational hatred for her I'm sure you believe that...

All that smoke has reduced his comprehension ability too.

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On 1/7/2014 4:00 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> OK. I'm not suggesting they had NO carbs, but they had to work hard to
> collect grains pre-agriculture (for example). And I'm really referring
> to the more harmful types of carbs, not fruit or potatoes, for
> example.

And, they were often seasonal, in short supply (competition from
animals) and were not bred and fertllized to get huge and sugar loaded.
Wild, unmodified fruits, for example, are much smaller and have much
lower sugar content.

>
>> >Carbs are a natural part of food. Just as it is unnatural and unhealthy to
>> >transform them into processed foods which harm people over time, it is also
>> >unnatural to refuse to consume any carbs. Common sense rules the day.
> Agreed.

I don't think anyone has talked about eschewing carbs, just reducing
starches and sugars. Not the same thing.
>
>> >I know Atkins advocates go through a very strict initiation process designed
>> >to change the way the body processed foods. But I was able to achieve that
>> >without any really radical dieting. I just made it an objective to limit any
>> >meal to one carb serving (15 grams) if at all possible. I relaxed some after
>> >reaching my goal for maintenance but I habitually avoid the high GI stuff
>> >and practice portion control when I do eat something carby.
> Thats the way to go.
>
>

Very good plan. Atkins induction actually had more veggies in the
strictest phase per day than most folks eat, choosing starchier carbs
instead.

By volume, high carb, by % of calories, low.

Susan

On 2014-01-07, Susan > wrote:

> I don't think anyone has talked about eschewing carbs, just reducing
> starches and sugars. Not the same thing.

Yeah. I'm not looking to "restrict" anything, jes eat sensible real
food. I think the occasional banana or tomato is not gonna upset the
paleo cart too badly. It's hunter/GATHERER, not hunter/chartreader.
I doubt ancient man said, "Ugh... no banana, today. Upset glycemic
whatchyamacallit thingie".

nb

On 1/7/2014 2:16 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:00:32 -0700, casa querida > wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06:17 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will caution you about hunger management if you go strict
>>>>>>>>> Paleo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need some carbs to keep the cravings away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> So the next time SF makes a claim about pretty much anything, it is now
>>> fair game to declare her a "full of shit stupid asshole" unless she can
>>> produce a degree which qualifies her to speak on the subject.
>>
>> Given your irrational hatred for her I'm sure you believe that...
>
> All that smoke has reduced his comprehension ability too.
>
It's a proven neural function impediment.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On 7 Jan 2014 15:22:09 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> So far, I'm feeling pretty good. Not craving any carbs, at all.
>
> How many hours has it been?
>
> When you don't need to lose weight, you don't "crave" carbs - you eat
> until you're full and then you're hungry in just a couple of hours.
> Carbs help you not feel hungry so fast. The pseudo scientists here
> can yap away, but that's what happened at my house. Hubby is keeping
> his fat and carb intake at the low end of moderate. He's feeling
> great, his check up numbers are well within norms and he didn't have
> to go on some crazy diet to get everything under control.

We're all different.

On 1/7/2014 10:22 AM, notbob wrote:

> Haven't stepped on a scale yet, but I feel thinner already.
> Definitely less geezer aches and pains, in the morning, which is an
> unexpected bonus. I think I can do this.

Glad that you already feel some benefit. I'm not going to go as far as a
paleo diet but I am starting to cut out wheat. The aches and pains are
driving this for me right now. Between my knees and carpal tunnel in
both hands, something drastic has to change because I can't deal with
the pain anymore.

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On 2014-01-07, Susan > wrote:

> Huge dinner salads with grilled meat or fish in warmer weather, lots of
> steamed, roasted veggies, gratins in winter.

Yeah. I love to cook, so that's what I'm gonna do. My fave Winter
soup, minstrone, is all low carb if I leave out the cannelini beans
and pasta. I'm gonna be all over stews. Jes meat, onions, and a
carrot fer flavor. Jes bought another ham. I see a frittata for
tonight. Scored 12 6oz bskts of fresh blackberries fer $12! I'm
gonna make a blackberry pie for potluck, tomorrow night, but will not
eat any. Is that stevia crap any good?

nb

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 18:35:34 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 1/7/2014 10:22 AM, notbob wrote:
>
> > Haven't stepped on a scale yet, but I feel thinner already.
> > Definitely less geezer aches and pains, in the morning, which is an
> > unexpected bonus. I think I can do this.
>
> Glad that you already feel some benefit. I'm not going to go as far as a
> paleo diet but I am starting to cut out wheat. The aches and pains are
> driving this for me right now. Between my knees and carpal tunnel in
> both hands, something drastic has to change because I can't deal with
> the pain anymore.

Cheryl, get that blood test done. DIL thought wheat was the problem,
but it turned out to be yeast.

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On 2014-01-08, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On 5 Jan 2014 20:17:22 GMT, notbob wrote:
>
>> I'm giving it a try. Mainly cuz I GOTTA lose some weight.
>
> "Paleo diet ranks last on 'best diets' list"
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/health...rebar_facebook
> -sw

Ya know, I've been on every freakin' diet ever invented for my
lifelong endomorph state. I settled on paleo cuz it simply makes
sense. I LOVE carb loaded food. Cookies, crackers, bread, pastas,
pastries, etc. Too much, I think. If it crunches or is sweet, I like
it.

I know that the human animal evolved with a stuff/starve metabolism.
If you quit exercising, the body eats its own muscle to reduce using
reserves and does all it can builds up such reserves in the form of
fat. That's an indisputable fact. I need to get back out and
exercise. Now that I can, I am, even if it's in the simple form of walking.
I also need to give my body a little help. Starches and refined foods
are not the help it needs. It needs protein to regenerate some
muscle. Lord knows I have way too much of the reserve.

nb

On 1/7/2014 7:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:10:20 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:24:30 -0700, Casa Milagro > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/6/2014 3:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> Barbara, of course, has no knowledge and nothing of substance to add
>>>> to the subject at hand.
>>>
>>> Drip spite much, dwarf?
>>
>> Fatso the dwarf? Unlike him, I have personal experience with the
>> subject and know what works.
>
> Translation: She is personal friends with Captain Caveman.


Squirm, you nic-addcited dwarfish worm.

On 1/7/2014 8:43 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> "Paleo diet ranks last on 'best diets' list"

Cut back on the smokes, or die from emphysema, dwarf.

On 1/7/2014 4:45 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-01-07, Susan > wrote:
>
>> I don't think anyone has talked about eschewing carbs, just reducing
>> starches and sugars. Not the same thing.
>
> Yeah. I'm not looking to "restrict" anything, jes eat sensible real
> food. I think the occasional banana or tomato is not gonna upset the
> paleo cart too badly. It's hunter/GATHERER, not hunter/chartreader.
> I doubt ancient man said, "Ugh... no banana, today. Upset glycemic
> whatchyamacallit thingie".
>
> nb
>
I don't often watch, let alone repeat anything I might see on Dr Oz but
I had it on today and his guest actually recommended green (not fully
ripe) bananas as a means to satiate your appetite as a snack. No idea if
this works, but it makes sense that a less ripe fruit is going to be
lower in natural sugar.

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On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:44:30 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 1/7/2014 4:45 PM, notbob wrote:
> > On 2014-01-07, Susan > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think anyone has talked about eschewing carbs, just reducing
> >> starches and sugars. Not the same thing.
> >
> > Yeah. I'm not looking to "restrict" anything, jes eat sensible real
> > food. I think the occasional banana or tomato is not gonna upset the
> > paleo cart too badly. It's hunter/GATHERER, not hunter/chartreader.
> > I doubt ancient man said, "Ugh... no banana, today. Upset glycemic
> > whatchyamacallit thingie".
> >
> > nb
> >
> I don't often watch, let alone repeat anything I might see on Dr Oz but
> I had it on today and his guest actually recommended green (not fully
> ripe) bananas as a means to satiate your appetite as a snack. No idea if
> this works, but it makes sense that a less ripe fruit is going to be
> lower in natural sugar.

Apparently hunter-gatherers had cavities.
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/01/06/260185944/looks-like-the-paleo-diet-wasnt-so-hot-for-ancient-hunters-teeth>


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On 2014-01-08, Cheryl > wrote:

> I don't often watch, let alone repeat anything I might see on Dr Oz but
> I had it on today and his guest actually recommended green (not fully
> ripe) bananas as a means to satiate your appetite as a snack. No idea if
> this works, but it makes sense that a less ripe fruit is going to be
> lower in natural sugar.

I'll eat the occasional banana. Not fully ripe, but yellow ripe.
Good filler early in morn. Some versions of palio OK bananas. I look
at it from the hunter/gather POV. You gonna tell me ancient man
passed up a perfectly edible banana!? No way!

nb

On 1/8/2014 7:05 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-01-08, Cheryl > wrote:
>
>> I don't often watch, let alone repeat anything I might see on Dr Oz but
>> I had it on today and his guest actually recommended green (not fully
>> ripe) bananas as a means to satiate your appetite as a snack. No idea if
>> this works, but it makes sense that a less ripe fruit is going to be
>> lower in natural sugar.
>
> I'll eat the occasional banana. Not fully ripe, but yellow ripe.
> Good filler early in morn. Some versions of palio OK bananas. I look
> at it from the hunter/gather POV. You gonna tell me ancient man
> passed up a perfectly edible banana!? No way!
>
> nb
>
Which ancient man from which continent? You're assuming bananas were
common and widely available.

Jill

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 20:51:15 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 1/8/2014 7:05 PM, notbob wrote:
> > On 2014-01-08, Cheryl > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't often watch, let alone repeat anything I might see on Dr Oz but
> >> I had it on today and his guest actually recommended green (not fully
> >> ripe) bananas as a means to satiate your appetite as a snack. No idea if
> >> this works, but it makes sense that a less ripe fruit is going to be
> >> lower in natural sugar.
> >
> > I'll eat the occasional banana. Not fully ripe, but yellow ripe.
> > Good filler early in morn. Some versions of palio OK bananas. I look
> > at it from the hunter/gather POV. You gonna tell me ancient man
> > passed up a perfectly edible banana!? No way!
> >
> > nb
> >
> Which ancient man from which continent? You're assuming bananas were
> common and widely available.
>
If it was the Paleo diet, it doesn't matter. What was available to
one is available to all now.


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On 2014-01-09, jmcquown > wrote:

> Which ancient man from which continent? You're assuming bananas were
> common and widely available.

Logical assumption. You think ancient South East Asia islanders were harvesting
wheat and corn and herding cattle?

nb

On 2014-01-09, John J > wrote:

> Are you sure you want to eat like those hunter/gatherers? Do you know
> what their life expectancy was? You might die twenty years ago.

I might die tomorrow. You gotta point or you jes being another PIA
troll?

nb

On 1/10/2014 1:41 PM, RävNsfän® wrote:

> You *suck* at this usenet thing, socktard.
>
>
>
Your team was unusually sucky this year, even for a bunch of former
Brownies...

"notbob" > wrote in message
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> On 2014-01-05, Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>> (as well as some cheap ebook fluff).
>
> From what I've seen, "cheap" and "ebook" seems to be mutually
> exclusive.
>
> I finally broke down and bought a Nook that was on sale, which I now
> regret. Can't resell 'em, can't trade 'em, can't even give 'em away!
> This and the Terms of Use (TOU) agreement is 180 pages long!! I can't
> believe a TOU that detailed is not highly sinister. I look on the web
> and the prices fer an ebook is only about 20% cheaper than the
> paperback. I can get used paperback fer $2, or even free.
>
> When linux finally comes out with a non ad-roid tablet OS, I'll prolly
> hack the nook and forget ebooks, altogether. Whatta rip-off.
>
> nb

Amazon have many free books on paleo and other stuff

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...leo&sort=price

http://preview.tinyurl.com/m25xn2m

I have no idea about any of these books as I have read none of them.
Whenever I search on Amazon I ask for the results order cheapest to most
expensive and its gets any free ones first.

If your nook doesn't natively read kindle format then I recommend Calibre
ebook manager which will convert any format to any reader
http://calibre-ebook.com/

Mike

On 2014-01-24, Sqwertz > wrote:

> With any bullet smoker, you want to keep the meats away from the sides
> of the unit because that's where the most heat escapes up over the
> sides of the water pan. Making for uneven cooking at the sides.

Well, I'm only one and the wind profile is important, as is the price.
I learned much about heat loss with the Bandera, even in hot Summers
CA. That sucker would go through fuel like a steam locomotive in a
mild breeze. I'd almost go back to an ECB, but have read the small
bullet will go 12-13 hrs on one fuel fill if no wind. It's not too
windy, here, in the Summer and I think I could make it work if I
started early in the morn and shielded it properly. I know I'm not
gonna spend three bills to find out.

nb

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:37:47 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

> With any bullet smoker, you want to keep the meats away from the sides
> of the unit

That's why they're a PITA, you addle-pated dwarf!

On 2014-01-05, notbob > wrote:
> I'm giving it a try.


Holy freakin' crap!!

How did my rfc post make it over here to afb? Not that I mind, jes
didn't realize there was a secret underground link betwixt the two,
one way apparently.

I've played the fool and have returned to the fold. IOW, meat is
neat! Plus, greens are great, but they don't pay the bill when it's a
constant 10 deg F, outside.

I spent mucho time, here on afb, many moons ago, so am not a stranger
to Q. I'm back.

nb

On 2014-01-27, notbob > wrote:

> Holy freakin' crap!!
>
> How did my rfc post make it over here to afb?

Nevermind. I don't wanna know.