I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.
Anyway, to make a nice change, I thought I would buy a frying pan made
of English pewter as it is lead-free and none of the elements used in
the alloy are considered toxic.

I was very dismayed that pewter frying pans appear to be completely
unavailable. I hunted high and low for one but to no avail so I found a
metalworker who agreed to create one for me for a fairly reasonable
price. He was quite amused at my insistence on having one and seemed to
think I was being a trifle obsessive but I thought it would make a nice
addition to my kitchen.

Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
out to-night. The metalworker did a very nice job and seems to be
taking more of an interest now because he left a note telling me to make
sure I let him know how I get on with it.

Who knows, this could start a new trend.

Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)? I'm
afraid that your pan will not stand up to the heat
of your stove.

Pewter is generally used for cold applications or
decoration.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:

> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?

That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.

"White Spirit" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
> problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
> that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.

Um uh wha? Metals do melt!

On 10/01/2014 13:42, Julie Bove wrote:

> "White Spirit" > wrote in message
> ...

>> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:

>>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?

>> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was
>> a problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees
>> and that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.

> Um uh wha? Metals do melt!

What have you owned that is made of metal that melted?

On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:47:22 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
> What have you owned that is made of metal that melted?

http://www.saltlakemetals.com/MeltingPoints.htm

On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:28:41 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
> > Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
> > around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
> problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
> that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.

Of courser metals melt. A standard Oven can
easily reach over 500 degrees F. Hotter
temperatures are experienced directly over the
stove burners; gas or electric.

Sorry for the bad news.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 1/10/2014 9:34 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:28:41 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
>> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>>
>>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>>
>> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
>> problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
>> that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.
>
> Of course metals melt. A standard Oven can
> easily reach over 500 degrees F. Hotter
> temperatures are experienced directly over the
> stove burners; gas or electric.
>
> Sorry for the bad news.
>
Look who you're replying to to get your answer. (And thank you for
snipping the cross-posting.)

Metals don't melt... really? So the OP is saying metal just magically
turns itself into pots & pans?

Jill

On 11/01/2014 3:08 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/10/2014 9:34 AM, Helpful person wrote:
>> On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:28:41 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>>>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>>>
>>> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
>>> problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
>>> that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.
>>
>> Of course metals melt. A standard Oven can
>> easily reach over 500 degrees F. Hotter
>> temperatures are experienced directly over the
>> stove burners; gas or electric.
>>
>> Sorry for the bad news.
>>
> Look who you're replying to to get your answer. (And thank you for
> snipping the cross-posting.)
>
> Metals don't melt... really? So the OP is saying metal just magically
> turns itself into pots & pans?
>
> Jill

You mean they don't??? Awwww!

--

Xeno

In article >,
White Spirit > wrote:
>On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
>That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt.

Solder does, at quite a low temperature.

>Even if temperature was a
>problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
>that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.

That's 338-446 F, which is 170-230 Celsius, lower than the temperature
of your oven. The hob probably gets much hotter at the point of
contact with the pan.

Let us know how this works out for you. Post pictures for us.


Cindy Hamilton
--

On 1/10/2014 8:28 AM, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
> problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
> that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.
>
>
The oven goes to 250C or 482F, past the melting point.

Metals do melt. They change to a liquid, just like that metal Mercury
that has a very low melting point.

On 2014-01-10 8:28 AM, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt.

Did they teach you any physics at the school the short bus took you to?

On 10/01/2014 16:15, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2014-01-10 8:28 AM, White Spirit wrote:

>> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:

>>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?

>> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt.

> Did they teach you any physics at the school the short bus took you to?

I was top of my class in social engineering.

On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:17:45 AM UTC-7, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 16:15, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2014-01-10 8:28 AM, White Spirit wrote:
>
>
>
> >> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
>
>
> >>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>
> >>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
>
>
> >> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt.
>
>
>
> > Did they teach you any physics at the school the short bus took you to?
>
>
>
> I was top of my class in social engineering.

Then you should know that Googling "pewter frying pans" will bring
the desired results that you seek.
You are a champion SPAMMER and renowned about the land.
===

On 1/10/2014 10:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-01-10 8:28 AM, White Spirit wrote:
>> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>>
>>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>>
>> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt.
>
> Did they teach you any physics at the school the short bus took you to?
>
>
Thank you for the belly laugh!!

--
DreadfulBitch

I intend to live forever....so far, so good.
......Steven Wright

It's a troll

Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc, rec.food.cooking

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:34:53 +0000, White Spirit
> wrote:

>On 10/01/2014 10:02, yttiw wrote:
>
>> Steer clear of rec.food.cooking.
>
>> It is ruled by a clique of smug, arrogant barstewards who consider
that
>> anything they do not know is not worth knowing and anything they do
not
>> do is not worth doing.
>
>I know. That's exactly why I went there
>
>> Basically it is just a vehicle for massaging each others egos, with a
>> subtle bit of latent sexuality thrown in for good measure (but not
too
>> obvious - mind, or they will begin to mention the superior qualities
of
>> their respective spouses, ad infintum).
>
>That's the sort of group I like to stir up. I consider it a public
>service. I am now so widely killfiled that I consider the group pwned.

On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:

> It's a troll

And a pretty successful one at that.

On 1/10/2014 8:07 AM, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:
>
>> It's a troll
>
> And a pretty successful one at that.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6261280768/hF841D887/

In article >
White Spirit > writes:
>On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:
>
>> It's a troll
>
>And a pretty successful one at that.

Much more successful that I would have expected. Just the right
level of nonsense to be blatant, but not so much (apparently) as
to be obvious. Even after "metals don't melt," it was fun to watch.

(Not that I want to encourage trolling in general.)

--
|Drew Lawson | Mrs. Tweedy! |
| | The chickens are revolting! |

On 10/01/2014 18:54, Drew Lawson wrote:

> In article >
> White Spirit > writes:

>> On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:

>>> It's a troll

>> And a pretty successful one at that.

> Much more successful that I would have expected. Just the right
> level of nonsense to be blatant, but not so much (apparently) as
> to be obvious. Even after "metals don't melt," it was fun to watch.

I thought so. I don't see what the problem with providing mutual
entertainment should be, but I do note that the people who get fooled
are often less likely to be amused.

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:07:02 +0000, White Spirit
> wrote:

>On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:
>
>> It's a troll
>
>And a pretty successful one at that.

It was transparently obvious. The first sentence gave the game away
and the rest of it confirmed it several times over.

On 10/01/14 20:24, Jeßus wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:07:02 +0000, White Spirit
> > wrote:

>> On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:

>>> It's a troll

>> And a pretty successful one at that.

> It was transparently obvious.

That must explain why so many people swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

On 10/01/2014 15:30, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:37:36 -0000, Janet wrote:

>> It's a troll

> Another reason why they yanked his accounts at Eternal-September
> earlier this week.

I consider it a badge of honour.

On 11/01/14 06:49, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:46:31 +0000, White Spirit wrote:

>>> Another reason why they yanked his accounts at Eternal-September
>>> earlier this week.

>> I consider it a badge of honour.

> Nah. You weren't even offered the privilege of simply re-registering.

I can re-register but anyone posting using my name has their account
immediately blocked. That's why it's a badge of honour.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:44:11 +0000, White Spirit wrote:

<something about frying pans>

'White Spirit' always reminds me of a brand of rum - which is a spirit
I've never acquired a taste for. More for the other 10 million+ people
who enjoy it, I suppose.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On 1/10/2014 11:49 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Nah. You weren't even offered the privilege of simply re-registering.


Narcing more posters out, Sqwerty-fascist?

You and Marty are such relentless cowards.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:49:00 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

> But the $2.75 will last you a lifetime.
>
> =sw


>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>>
>> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
>> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
>> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
>> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
>> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

On 1/10/2014 8:30 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Another reason why they yanked his accounts at Eternal-September
> earlier this week.

Lol, NOT...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6261280768/hF841D887/

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:30:48 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:37:36 -0000, Janet wrote:
>
>> It's a troll
>
>Another reason why they yanked his accounts at Eternal-September
>earlier this week.

Yep.

On 1/10/2014 8:25 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)? I'm
> afraid that your pan will not stand up to the heat
> of your stove.
>
> Pewter is generally used for cold applications or
> decoration.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com
>


What the heck is F?

On 1/10/2014 8:05 PM, Hench wrote:
> On 1/10/2014 8:25 AM, Helpful person wrote:
>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)? I'm
>> afraid that your pan will not stand up to the heat
>> of your stove.
>>
>> Pewter is generally used for cold applications or
>> decoration.
>>
>> http://www.richardfisher.com
>>
>
>
> What the heck is F?

The best grade you ever got in school.

White Spirit wrote:
>
> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.


Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.
Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.
I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
issue.
Revereware pots and pans.

G.

On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
>> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
>> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.

> Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.

Dishwasher salt is commonly available in the UK so I assume it's normal.
There are all-in-one tablets that contain salt already. It's used to
counteract the hardness of water.

> Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.

It isn't truly stainless.

> I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
> issue.

If you put them in a dishwasher with the salt dispenser set too high,
you will.

White Spirit wrote:
>
> On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:
> > Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.
>
> It isn't truly stainless.

Try the Revereware then, it is truly stainless steel, with copper clad
bottoms. It's cheap cookware but I've used it almost exclusively for
almost 40 years. It works fine for me and never a rust issue or a
problem cooking with it/them. I have 4 frying pans and about a dozen
different sized pots.

> If you put them in a dishwasher with the salt dispenser set too high,
> you will.

I'll bet you're wrong there with what I use. No rust - ever,
dishwasher or hand washing or neglecting them for days.

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> White Spirit wrote:
>>
>> On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:
>> > Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.
>>
>> It isn't truly stainless.
>
> Try the Revereware then, it is truly stainless steel, with copper clad
> bottoms. It's cheap cookware but I've used it almost exclusively for
> almost 40 years. It works fine for me and never a rust issue or a
> problem cooking with it/them. I have 4 frying pans and about a dozen
> different sized pots.
>
>> If you put them in a dishwasher with the salt dispenser set too high,
>> you will.
>
> I'll bet you're wrong there with what I use. No rust - ever,
> dishwasher or hand washing or neglecting them for days.

Mine haven't rusted either but I quit putting them in the dishwasher after I
learned that it dulls the handles.

On 10/01/2014 13:46, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:
>
>> White Spirit wrote:
>
>>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>>> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease.

If it's discredited why are you worrying?

>> I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
>> issue.
>
> If you put them in a dishwasher with the salt dispenser set too high,
> you will.

Well turn it down then. :-)
--
Phil Cook

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:31:44 +0000, Phil Cook
> wrote:

>On 10/01/2014 13:46, White Spirit wrote:
>> On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>
>>>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>>>> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease.
>
>If it's discredited why are you worrying?

Read the post again - it's full of bait.
Don't fall for it.

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:01:28 +0000, Mike.. . . .
> wrote:

>Following a post by Jeßus
>
>>>If it's discredited why are you worrying?
>>
>>Read the post again - it's full of bait.
>>Don't fall for it.
>
>better still, just don't worry about it <shrug>

Indeed, certainly not worry worthy...

On 1/10/2014 8:40 AM, Gary wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
>>
>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
>> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
>> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.
>
>
> Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.

Looking around, I see that some Miele machines have a dispenser
for water softener salt.

I've seen what affect hard water has in a dishwasher, and how
easily it was corrected by using the Finish or Cascade pods,
doesn't seem like water softener would be necessary.

nancy

On 10/01/2014 14:10, Nancy Young wrote:

> I've seen what affect hard water has in a dishwasher, and how
> easily it was corrected by using the Finish or Cascade pods,
> doesn't seem like water softener would be necessary.

It's not necessary strictly speaking because there are tablets that
contain salt and rinse aid. However, the environmentally friendly
tablets that I prefer require separate salt to be used.