In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:15:40 -0000, Yellow > wrote:
>
> >In article >, remove.bear.bottoms1
> says...
> >>
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "Tracy" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> On 1/14/2014 6:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >>> Today in the supermarket, I saw a whole section of US foods There
> >> >>> was stuff I had only heard of here It was odd to see them and I took
> >> >>> piccies DH thought I had gone bonkers ... not unusual in my case, so
> >> >>> he tells me <g>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> When I was in Paris last summer I took this picture of the American
> >> >> food section at the Galeries Lafayette food market. I also took a
> >> >> picture of the gallon sized containers of Nutella.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tinypic.com/r/28jdybs/5
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm... I didn't think that Heinz Salad Cream was American. If I do
> >> > find it here, it is always in the British food section. Also don't know
> >> > what those things are on the right. Amkos? They don't look at all
> >> > familiar. And that Death sauce isn't widely available. At least not
> >> > around here. BIL bought it years ago at the county fair and I have seen
> >> > it online. Looks like the Easy Cheese with the yellow top is a big
> >> > seller though!
> >>
> >> I think the Brits sometimes use salad cream instead of mayo!
> >
> >Or neither as both are the most revolting concoctions known to man kind.
>
> What's wrong with eggs and olive oil?

It's slimy.

In article > ,
says...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On 1/20/2014 4:09 PM, Janet wrote:
> > > In article m>,
> > > says...
> > >>
> > >> On 1/17/2014 4:59 PM, Yellow wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Mmmmmmm..... Marmite.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I believe that Marmite is an acquired taste that one has to acquire from
> > >> childhood. I don't know a American raised in the US who can stand it. :-)
> > >>
> > >> Did give it a try in Australia. Yuck!
> > >
> > > That might have been Australia's ******* version, Vegemite.
> > > Vegemite is just a poor relation of Marmite.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> > >
> > I've had Vegemite, but not Marmite. Vegemite almost made me gag.
>
> > Sorry! I guess I'm just another American who can't stand it.
>
> I don't like Vegemite either.
> >
> > What's Marmite?
>
> It's a yeast extract. Looks like tar, tastes very salty with a faint
> undertone of brewing. Lots of Vit B.
>
> It's delicious, honest. Spread thin on hot buttered toast..mmm
>

I spread it thick! I did read an article once that might explain this by
saying that like drugs and alcohol, over time you need ever an ever
increasing portion to satisfy.

On 1/20/2014 9:53 PM, Yellow wrote:

> I spread it thick! I did read an article once that might explain this by
> saying that like drugs and alcohol, over time you need ever an ever
> increasing portion to satisfy.

Sounds like me and Nutella. )-:

--
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I intend to live forever....so far, so good.
......Steven Wright

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:07:32 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >says...
> >
> >> >
> >> I've said before, my father's side of the family can be traced back to
> >> landing in America in 1680. Scots captured at the Battle of Bothwell
> >> Bridge in 1679 and transported to the "colonies". (Heck, I could have
> >> wound up in Australia.)
> >
> > Nope, because Britain didn't discover and start colonising Australia
> >until a century later :-)
>
> Britain discovered Australia? Only in British history books. Colonise
> yes.

I don't actually think British history books do record that and if I
recall correctly I was taught that the evidence suggested it was the
Dutch. We then went on to James Cook, who of course was British and much
more interesting.

<One persons faulty memory does not a nation taught a load of lies make>

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2014 9:53 PM, Yellow wrote:
>
>> I spread it thick! I did read an article once that might explain this by
>> saying that like drugs and alcohol, over time you need ever an ever
>> increasing portion to satisfy.
>
> Sounds like me and Nutella. )-:

I tried just the tiniest taste of that once. I know it is addictive to most
people but it is not something I ever care to encounter again. I do like
nut butters but that stuff was too sickly sweet for my palate.

On 1/20/2014 7:19 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/20/2014 5:07 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I've said before, my father's side of the family can be traced back to
>>>> landing in America in 1680. Scots captured at the Battle of Bothwell
>>>> Bridge in 1679 and transported to the "colonies". (Heck, I could have
>>>> wound up in Australia.)
>>>
>>> Nope, because Britain didn't discover and start colonising Australia
>>> until a century later :-)
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>
> rofl nice one)
>
I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2014 7:19 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/20/2014 5:07 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've said before, my father's side of the family can be traced back to
>>>>> landing in America in 1680. Scots captured at the Battle of Bothwell
>>>>> Bridge in 1679 and transported to the "colonies". (Heck, I could have
>>>>> wound up in Australia.)
>>>>
>>>> Nope, because Britain didn't discover and start colonising Australia
>>>> until a century later :-)
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be
>>> indentured
>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It
>>> so
>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>
>> rofl nice one)
>>
> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.

) I see the McQuown's had a lot of clout even then)

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be
>>>> indentured
>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It
>>>> so
>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He
>>>> docked
>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>>
>>> rofl nice one)
>>>
>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>
> ) I see the McQuown's had a lot of clout even then)

I just realised you might not know what 'clout' is, so just in case:

No 2 is relevant
--
clout
/kla?t/

noun
noun: clout; plural noun: clouts
1.
informal
a heavy blow with the hand or a hard object.

"a clout round the ear"
synonyms: smack, slap, thump, punch, blow, hit, knock, bang, cuff, box,
spanking, spank, tap, clip
informalwhack, wallop, clobbering, sock
"I gave him a clout on the ear"
---
As we used to say in Yorkshire when I was a child <g>
---
2.
informal

influence or power, especially in politics or business.

"I knew she carried a lot of clout"
synonyms: influence, power, pull, weight, sway, leverage, control, say,
mastery, dominance, domination, advantage; More
--

Apols if I am teaching my grandmother to suck eggs


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On 1/21/2014 8:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/20/2014 7:19 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 1/20/2014 5:07 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've said before, my father's side of the family can be traced
>>>>>> back to
>>>>>> landing in America in 1680. Scots captured at the Battle of Bothwell
>>>>>> Bridge in 1679 and transported to the "colonies". (Heck, I could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> wound up in Australia.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, because Britain didn't discover and start colonising
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> until a century later :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be
>>>> indentured
>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing.
>>>> It so
>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He
>>>> docked
>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>>
>>> rofl nice one)
>>>
>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>
> ) I see the McQuown's had a lot of clout even then)
>
It could be the second in command was, overall, a Scottish sympathizer.
There's no explanation in the family history as to how this man knew
the McQuown's. But they must have had *some* clout. They were given
land grants in Pennsylvania by William Penn.

I've no idea how (or if) the new captain explained what happened when
the ship returned to England.

Jill

On 1/21/2014 8:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
>>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand,
>>> indentured servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the
>>> plantations.
>>
>> ) I see the McQuown's had a lot of clout even then)
>
> I just realised you might not know what 'clout' is, so just in case:
>
> No 2 is relevant
> --
> clout
> /kla?t/
>
> noun
> noun: clout; plural noun: clouts
> 1.
> informal
> a heavy blow with the hand or a hard object.
>
> "a clout round the ear"
> synonyms: smack, slap, thump, punch, blow, hit, knock, bang, cuff, box,
> spanking, spank, tap, clip
> informalwhack, wallop, clobbering, sock
> "I gave him a clout on the ear"
> ---
> As we used to say in Yorkshire when I was a child <g>
> ---
> 2.
> informal
>
> influence or power, especially in politics or business.
>
> "I knew she carried a lot of clout"
> synonyms: influence, power, pull, weight, sway, leverage, control, say,
> mastery, dominance, domination, advantage; More
> --
>
> Apols if I am teaching my grandmother to suck eggs
>
>
lol I've never been taught that Yes, we use the word 'clout' in this
country, too.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/21/2014 8:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand,
>>>> indentured servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the
>>>> plantations.
>>>
>>> ) I see the McQuown's had a lot of clout even then)
>>
>> I just realised you might not know what 'clout' is, so just in case:
>>
>> No 2 is relevant
>> --
>> clout
>> /kla?t/
>>
>> noun
>> noun: clout; plural noun: clouts
>> 1.
>> informal
>> a heavy blow with the hand or a hard object.
>>
>> "a clout round the ear"
>> synonyms: smack, slap, thump, punch, blow, hit, knock, bang, cuff, box,
>> spanking, spank, tap, clip
>> informalwhack, wallop, clobbering, sock
>> "I gave him a clout on the ear"
>> ---
>> As we used to say in Yorkshire when I was a child <g>
>> ---
>> 2.
>> informal
>>
>> influence or power, especially in politics or business.
>>
>> "I knew she carried a lot of clout"
>> synonyms: influence, power, pull, weight, sway, leverage, control, say,
>> mastery, dominance, domination, advantage; More
>> --
>>
>> Apols if I am teaching my grandmother to suck eggs
>>
>>
> lol I've never been taught that Yes, we use the word 'clout' in this
> country, too.

)) Good oh))

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DreadfulBitch > wrote in news:lbkcbq$7gr$1
@dont-email.me:

> I've had Vegemite, but not Marmite. Vegemite almost made me gag.
> Sorry! I guess I'm just another American who can't stand it.
>
> What's Marmite?

Non-Australian Vegemite.

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table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11
of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that
union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie.'"

On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:12:56 AM UTC-8, Michel Boucher wrote:
> DreadfulBitch > wrote in news:lbkcbq$7gr$1
>
> @dont-email.me:
>
>
>
> > I've had Vegemite, but not Marmite. Vegemite almost made me gag.
>
> > Sorry! I guess I'm just another American who can't stand it.
>

> > What's Marmite?
>

> Non-Australian Vegemite.
>

C'mon, M B.

A Marmite is an earthenware pot in which broth is cooked.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:12:56 AM UTC-8, Michel Boucher wrote:
>> DreadfulBitch > wrote in news:lbkcbq$7gr$1
>>
>> @dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>
>> > I've had Vegemite, but not Marmite. Vegemite almost made me gag.
>>
>> > Sorry! I guess I'm just another American who can't stand it.
>>
>
>> > What's Marmite?
>>
>
>> Non-Australian Vegemite.
>>
>
> C'mon, M B.
>
> A Marmite is an earthenware pot in which broth is cooked.

LOL true that))


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Yellow wrote:
>
> JohnJ says...
> > Britain discovered Australia? Only in British history books. Colonise
> > yes.
>
> I don't actually think British history books do record that and if I
> recall correctly I was taught that the evidence suggested it was the
> Dutch. We then went on to James Cook, who of course was British and much
> more interesting.

I have a really good book...the biography of James Cook. I plan to
re-read it after I finish my current book.

"Captain James Cook, a biography" by Richard Hough (C-1994)

G.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> >> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
> >> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
> >> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
> >> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
> >> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
> >
> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.

True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
years.

G.

wrote in news:da70356b-1afc-44f8-9c66-
:

>> > What's Marmite?
>>
>
>> Non-Australian Vegemite.
>>
>
> C'mon, M B.
>
> A Marmite is an earthenware pot in which broth is cooked.

I can tell the difference between words in French and words in English and,
better yet, not confuse the two.

A "marmite" is a kitchen utensil and also a cannon shell, hence an
artillery barrage is referred to as a "marmitage".

Marmite (tm) is an inedible substance having nothing to do with a pot
except that there is one on the label.

http://tinyurl.com/lounmyj

"Marmite" is pronounced (close enough for folk music) "mahr-meet" whereas
Marmite (tm) is pronounced "Mahr-might".

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table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11
of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that
union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie.'"

In article >, says...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > >> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
> > >> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
> > >> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
> > >> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
> > >> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
> > >
> > I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
> > servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>
> True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
> is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
> years.
>
> G.

Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement voluntarily
and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)

Janet UK

wrote in news:cuqtd9dtlruicrif82intecbg1glql7en3@
4ax.com:

>>Marmite (tm) is an inedible substance having nothing to do with a pot
>>except that there is one on the label.
>
> Opinions vary greatly on that ! Cheese and marmite butty,
> scrumptious.

However my taste buds are firm on this. Yuck.

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table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11
of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that
union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie.'"

On 1/21/2014 4:00 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>>
>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>
> True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
> is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
> years.
>
> G.
>
Indeed, and could be worked twice as hard so the owners (indentured
servants were bought) could get their money's worth in seven years.

Jill

On 1/21/2014 6:08 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
>>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
>>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
>>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>>>
>>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
>>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>>
>> True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
>> is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
>> years.
>>
>> G.
>
> Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement voluntarily
> and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
> and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)
>
> Janet UK
>
Not my ancestors. They were prisoners of war. The Crown sold them to
planters in Virginia.

Jill

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:27:35 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 1/21/2014 6:08 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
> >>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
> >>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
> >>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
> >>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
> >>>>
> >>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
> >>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
> >>
> >> True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
> >> is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
> >> years.
> >>
> >> G.
> >
> > Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement voluntarily
> > and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
> > and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> Not my ancestors. They were prisoners of war. The Crown sold them to
> planters in Virginia.
>
Shhhh. You're going to blow Janet's "one big happy family" BS sky
high.


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In article >,
says...
>
> wrote in news:da70356b-1afc-44f8-9c66-
> :
>
> >> > What's Marmite?
> >>
> >
> >> Non-Australian Vegemite.
> >>
> >
> > C'mon, M B.
> >
> > A Marmite is an earthenware pot in which broth is cooked.
>
> I can tell the difference between words in French and words in English and,
> better yet, not confuse the two.
>
> A "marmite" is a kitchen utensil and also a cannon shell, hence an
> artillery barrage is referred to as a "marmitage".
>
> Marmite (tm) is an inedible substance having nothing to do with a pot
> except that there is one on the label.

I you do not want your portion, do feel free to sent it in my direction!

In article >, says...
>
> Yellow wrote:
> >
> > JohnJ says...
> > > Britain discovered Australia? Only in British history books. Colonise
> > > yes.
> >
> > I don't actually think British history books do record that and if I
> > recall correctly I was taught that the evidence suggested it was the
> > Dutch. We then went on to James Cook, who of course was British and much
> > more interesting.
>
> I have a really good book...the biography of James Cook. I plan to
> re-read it after I finish my current book.
>
> "Captain James Cook, a biography" by Richard Hough (C-1994)
>
> G.

I have that one!

On 1/22/2014 4:24 PM, Yellow wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> Yellow wrote:
>>>
>>> JohnJ says...
>>>> Britain discovered Australia? Only in British history books. Colonise
>>>> yes.
>>>
>>> I don't actually think British history books do record that and if I
>>> recall correctly I was taught that the evidence suggested it was the
>>> Dutch. We then went on to James Cook, who of course was British and much
>>> more interesting.
>>
>> I have a really good book...the biography of James Cook. I plan to
>> re-read it after I finish my current book.
>>
>> "Captain James Cook, a biography" by Richard Hough (C-1994)
>>
>> G.
>
> I have that one!
>
Numerous explorers of different nationalities seem to have caught sight
of Australia but they don't seem to have realized what they had found.
The British were the first to systematically chart it (the coast at
least by Captain Cook) or colonize it. A name that is not totally
unfamiliar is Van Diemen's Land for Tasmania.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
>>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
>>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
>>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>>>
>>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
>>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>>
>> True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
>> is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
>> years.
>>
>> G.
>
> Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement voluntarily
> and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
> and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)
>

Yes. And then they got worse food than slaves and were worked to death.
That must have been in the small print which the buggers couldn't read ...
To put it another way : A slave is yours for his life. One protects his
investments up to a point.
A slave which is yours for just 7 years ? Well ...

O jolly old UK !

Yellow > wrote in
T:

> I you do not want your portion, do feel free to sent it in my direction!

Sorry to disappernt youze but there is no portion to be had.

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table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11
of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, 'Watch out for that
union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie.'"

On 1/22/2014 5:34 PM, Michael Kuettner wrote:
> Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be
>>>>>> indentured
>>>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the
>>>>>> crossing. It so
>>>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He
>>>>>> docked
>>>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>>>>
>>>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
>>>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>>>
>>> True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
>>> is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
>>> years.
>>>
>>> G.
>>
>> Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement voluntarily
>> and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
>> and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)
>>
>
> Yes. And then they got worse food than slaves and were worked to death.
> That must have been in the small print which the buggers couldn't read ...
> To put it another way : A slave is yours for his life. One protects his
> investments up to a point.
> A slave which is yours for just 7 years ? Well ...
>
> O jolly old UK !
>

The Germans did just about as bad. They impressed young men into
military service. One of the money making schemes for the various German
states was to contract their regiments to the British. When there
service was done they didn't want to pay their way back home. One of my
forefathers was Hessian who was sent to fight for the British in the
colonies and was demobilized in Quebec and stayed here.

In article >, says...
>
> Janet wrote:

> > Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement voluntarily
> > and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
> > and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)
> >
>
> Yes. And then they got worse food than slaves and were worked to death.
> That must have been in the small print which the buggers couldn't read ...
> To put it another way : A slave is yours for his life. One protects his
> investments up to a point.
> A slave which is yours for just 7 years ? Well ...
>
> O jolly old UK !

Domestic servants, and many agricultural workers in Britain, often
faced a lifetime (from childhood) of what was in effect, slave
labour... terrible working conditions, completely at the mercy of the
employer/landowner.

Janet UK

On 1/22/2014 12:56 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:27:35 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/21/2014 6:08 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, well that's a good thing, then. We were supposed to be indentured
>>>>>>> servants landed in Virginia. No doubt to pick cotton and tobacco on
>>>>>>> plantations. The captain of the ship died at sea on the crossing. It so
>>>>>>> happened his second in command was a friend of the McQuown's. He docked
>>>>>>> at [now called] Perth Amboy, New Jersey instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'd call it a huge stroke of luck! From what I understand, indentured
>>>>> servants were treated exactly like any other slave on the plantations.
>>>>
>>>> True. Indentured servants were treated the same as slaves. Exception
>>>> is that slaves were there for life and indentured servants for only 7
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> G.
>>>
>>> Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement voluntarily
>>> and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
>>> and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Not my ancestors. They were prisoners of war. The Crown sold them to
>> planters in Virginia.
>>
> Shhhh. You're going to blow Janet's "one big happy family" BS sky
> high.
>
>
I've never encountered "one big happy family", either in terms of people
or when it comes to countries. Or states, for that matter.

I'm sure some people sold themselves as indentured servants to try to
gain a better lifestyle down the road. That isn't what happened in the
case of my McQuown ancestors, who were imprisoned then transported to
the Colonies.

OTOH, my Scottish grandfather (new to the US in the 1920's) was a member
of the Orange Order. Among other things, Orangemen were for the
preservation of the union of the United Kingdom.

I must admit, on this side of the pond at this particular time, it's
just interesting historical family facts.

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> Yellow > wrote in
> T:
>
> > I you do not want your portion, do feel free to sent it in my direction!
>
> Sorry to disappernt youze but there is no portion to be had.

That is disappointing.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 1/22/2014 12:56 PM, sf wrote:

> > Shhhh. You're going to blow Janet's "one big happy family" BS sky
> > high.
> >
> >
> I've never encountered "one big happy family", either in terms of people
> or when it comes to countries. Or states, for that matter.

Or in any post from me; sf's comment above is invention born of her
own stupidity.


> OTOH, my Scottish grandfather (new to the US in the 1920's) was a
member
> of the Orange Order. Among other things, Orangemen were for the
> preservation of the union of the United Kingdom.

The Orange Order still exists today. They excercise considerable
influence in Northern Ireland's politics but virtually none in Scotland.

Janet UK

On 1/22/2014 8:32 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 1/22/2014 12:56 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>> Shhhh. You're going to blow Janet's "one big happy family" BS sky
>>> high.
>>>
>>>
>> I've never encountered "one big happy family", either in terms of people
>> or when it comes to countries. Or states, for that matter.
>
> Or in any post from me; sf's comment above is invention born of her
> own stupidity.
>
>
>> OTOH, my Scottish grandfather (new to the US in the 1920's) was a
> member
>> of the Orange Order. Among other things, Orangemen were for the
>> preservation of the union of the United Kingdom.
>
> The Orange Order still exists today. They excercise considerable
> influence in Northern Ireland's politics but virtually none in Scotland.
>
> Janet UK
>
>
Probably. To me, as I stated somewhere else in this thread, on my side
of the pond at this date and time, it's just bits of family history.

Jill

In article om>,
says...
>
> On 1/18/2014 10:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 1/17/2014 5:58 PM, Yellow wrote:
> >>> I don't that that covers how people will consider themselves - for
> >>> example think about how many Americans see themselves, even many
> >>> generations on from a birth in that particular country, as African-
> >>> American or Irish-American.
> >>
> >> So what am I? A third generation Scottish-American? Or could I be
> >> part German-American since my paternal grandmother was second
> >> generation German? I'm pretty sure I'm just an American.
> >
> > Interesting question given the nationality of your grandparents
> >
> >
> I think that could apply to most Americans, as has been noted. My
> nationality is American but in the not very distant past, family on both
> sides were from Ireland and Lithuania.

Just for fun I had my DNA sequenced. It turns out I'm not half Italian
as I and the family had thought. Instead 9%. Oh Sardinian shows up in
there too. But then so too Native American (Mohwak) and Ashkenazi. I'm a
mutt in essence. But the Ashkenazi was a surprise. Apparently in
speaking with relatives it comes from my fathers side of the family.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 1/22/2014 8:32 PM, Janet wrote:
> >> OTOH, my Scottish grandfather (new to the US in the 1920's) was a
> > member
> >> of the Orange Order. Among other things, Orangemen were for the
> >> preservation of the union of the United Kingdom.
> >
> > The Orange Order still exists today. They excercise considerable
> > influence in Northern Ireland's politics but virtually none in Scotland.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> >
> Probably. To me, as I stated somewhere else in this thread, on my side
> of the pond at this date and time, it's just bits of family history.

That's why I thought you might be interested....the Orange Order may
have played a very major role in your family's story.

My distraction "problem" with genealogy is that the " my family tree"
aspect is only a peg for what I find the really interesting stuff, which
is the social, local and national events that shaped those lives... I
can get immersed in that for whole days at a time. Sometimes it's the
tiniest clue that opens a whole new insight into who/what/why.. and
something that filtered right down into my own life without me
understanding the significance of where it came from.

Janet UK

On 1/23/2014 8:59 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 1/22/2014 8:32 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>> OTOH, my Scottish grandfather (new to the US in the 1920's) was a
>>> member
>>>> of the Orange Order. Among other things, Orangemen were for the
>>>> preservation of the union of the United Kingdom.
>>>
>>> The Orange Order still exists today. They excercise considerable
>>> influence in Northern Ireland's politics but virtually none in Scotland.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>> Probably. To me, as I stated somewhere else in this thread, on my side
>> of the pond at this date and time, it's just bits of family history.
>
> That's why I thought you might be interested....the Orange Order may
> have played a very major role in your family's story.
>
That's entirely possible. I haven't been able to find out much about my
mom's side of the family. There's no one left. I wish I had been
around her parents when I was old enough to think to ask questions. We
moved so much we rarely saw them. When we did see them, well, I was a
kid. Things like family history don't matter much to a 10 year old.
They died when I was 16, and even at that age I probably wouldn't have
thought about it.

> My distraction "problem" with genealogy is that the " my family tree"
> aspect is only a peg for what I find the really interesting stuff, which
> is the social, local and national events that shaped those lives... I
> can get immersed in that for whole days at a time. Sometimes it's the
> tiniest clue that opens a whole new insight into who/what/why.. and
> something that filtered right down into my own life without me
> understanding the significance of where it came from.
>
> Janet UK
>
It would be great to learn all those nuances. For a while I had an
Ancestry.com membership but couldn't turn up any information about that
side of the family. (Ancestry.com isn't all it's cracked up to be.)

My great-uncle had done all the research on our "branch" of the McQuown
family - pre-computers! It only took him 20 years.

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 1/23/2014 8:59 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 1/22/2014 8:32 PM, Janet wrote:
> >>>> OTOH, my Scottish grandfather (new to the US in the 1920's) was a
> >>> member
> >>>> of the Orange Order. Among other things, Orangemen were for the
> >>>> preservation of the union of the United Kingdom.
> >>>
> >>> The Orange Order still exists today. They excercise considerable
> >>> influence in Northern Ireland's politics but virtually none in Scotland.
> >>>
> >>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Probably. To me, as I stated somewhere else in this thread, on my side
> >> of the pond at this date and time, it's just bits of family history.
> >
> > That's why I thought you might be interested....the Orange Order may
> > have played a very major role in your family's story.
> >
> That's entirely possible. I haven't been able to find out much about my
> mom's side of the family. There's no one left. I wish I had been
> around her parents when I was old enough to think to ask questions. We
> moved so much we rarely saw them. When we did see them, well, I was a
> kid. Things like family history don't matter much to a 10 year old.
> They died when I was 16, and even at that age I probably wouldn't have
> thought about it.
>
> > My distraction "problem" with genealogy is that the " my family tree"
> > aspect is only a peg for what I find the really interesting stuff, which
> > is the social, local and national events that shaped those lives... I
> > can get immersed in that for whole days at a time. Sometimes it's the
> > tiniest clue that opens a whole new insight into who/what/why.. and
> > something that filtered right down into my own life without me
> > understanding the significance of where it came from.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> It would be great to learn all those nuances. For a while I had an
> Ancestry.com membership but couldn't turn up any information about that
> side of the family. (Ancestry.com isn't all it's cracked up to be.)

They are just a starting point, IME.
>
> My great-uncle had done all the research on our "branch" of the McQuown
> family - pre-computers! It only took him 20 years.

I'm guessing what he managed to trace was BMD.

However, in the UK there are huge online national archives of newspaper
reports, court and prison records, professional records. probate records
(wills) and all military service records. And as much again offline at
the National Archives in London. You can pay for a professional
searcher there but it's free to do so yourself in person. On my bucket
list, is to spend a week down there, trawling at my leisure :-) Take a
look

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

Janet UK.

On 1/23/2014 9:50 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 1/23/2014 8:59 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2014 8:32 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> OTOH, my Scottish grandfather (new to the US in the 1920's) was a
>>>>> member
>>>>>> of the Orange Order. Among other things, Orangemen were for the
>>>>>> preservation of the union of the United Kingdom.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Orange Order still exists today. They excercise considerable
>>>>> influence in Northern Ireland's politics but virtually none in Scotland.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Probably. To me, as I stated somewhere else in this thread, on my side
>>>> of the pond at this date and time, it's just bits of family history.
>>>
>>> That's why I thought you might be interested....the Orange Order may
>>> have played a very major role in your family's story.
>>>
>> That's entirely possible. I haven't been able to find out much about my
>> mom's side of the family. There's no one left. I wish I had been
>> around her parents when I was old enough to think to ask questions. We
>> moved so much we rarely saw them. When we did see them, well, I was a
>> kid. Things like family history don't matter much to a 10 year old.
>> They died when I was 16, and even at that age I probably wouldn't have
>> thought about it.
>>
>>> My distraction "problem" with genealogy is that the " my family tree"
>>> aspect is only a peg for what I find the really interesting stuff, which
>>> is the social, local and national events that shaped those lives... I
>>> can get immersed in that for whole days at a time. Sometimes it's the
>>> tiniest clue that opens a whole new insight into who/what/why.. and
>>> something that filtered right down into my own life without me
>>> understanding the significance of where it came from.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> It would be great to learn all those nuances. For a while I had an
>> Ancestry.com membership but couldn't turn up any information about that
>> side of the family. (Ancestry.com isn't all it's cracked up to be.)
>
> They are just a starting point, IME.
>>
>> My great-uncle had done all the research on our "branch" of the McQuown
>> family - pre-computers! It only took him 20 years.
>
> I'm guessing what he managed to trace was BMD.
>
BMD = Birth, Marriage, Death? Yes, he went through a lot of church
records. He also got a lot of the information from various historical
societies and archives in Pennsylvania. Deed transfers, military
records, journals written by contemporaries of our ancestors stored in
the archives.

> However, in the UK there are huge online national archives of newspaper
> reports, court and prison records, professional records. probate records
> (wills) and all military service records. And as much again offline at
> the National Archives in London. You can pay for a professional
> searcher there but it's free to do so yourself in person. On my bucket
> list, is to spend a week down there, trawling at my leisure :-) Take a
> look
>
> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
>
> Janet UK.
>
>
That would be fun! Too bad I'll never get to the UK unless I win a
large sum of money.

Jill

Yellow > wrote in
T:

> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:15:40 -0000, Yellow > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, remove.bear.bottoms1
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > "Tracy" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> On 1/14/2014 6:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >>> Today in the supermarket, I saw a whole section of US foods
>> >> >>> There was stuff I had only heard of here It was odd to see
>> >> >>> them and I took piccies DH thought I had gone bonkers ... not
>> >> >>> unusual in my case, so he tells me <g>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When I was in Paris last summer I took this picture of the
>> >> >> American food section at the Galeries Lafayette food market. I
>> >> >> also took a picture of the gallon sized containers of Nutella.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://tinypic.com/r/28jdybs/5
>> >> >
>> >> > Hmmm... I didn't think that Heinz Salad Cream was American. If I
>> >> > do find it here, it is always in the British food section. Also
>> >> > don't know what those things are on the right. Amkos? They don't
>> >> > look at all familiar. And that Death sauce isn't widely available.
>> >> > At least not around here. BIL bought it years ago at the county
>> >> > fair and I have seen it online. Looks like the Easy Cheese with
>> >> > the yellow top is a big seller though!
>> >>
>> >> I think the Brits sometimes use salad cream instead of mayo!
>> >
>> >Or neither as both are the most revolting concoctions known to man
>> >kind.
>>
>> What's wrong with eggs and olive oil?
>
> It's slimy.

So are oranges. Think about it!

--
Jax

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> Janet wrote:
>
>> > Unlike slaves, indentured servants entered the arrangement
>> > voluntarily
>> > and got something in return for their labour (a sea passage to America
>> > and the chance to escape the lifetime of servitude they came from.)
>> >
>>
>> Yes. And then they got worse food than slaves and were worked to death.
>> That must have been in the small print which the buggers couldn't read
>> ...
>> To put it another way : A slave is yours for his life. One protects his
>> investments up to a point.
>> A slave which is yours for just 7 years ? Well ...
>>
>> O jolly old UK !
>
> Domestic servants, and many agricultural workers in Britain, often
> faced a lifetime (from childhood) of what was in effect, slave
> labour... terrible working conditions, completely at the mercy of the
> employer/landowner.
>
From what I understand, with zero-hours contracts and the like, those
conditions have returned, or at least the employers would like them to.