> wrote in message
...
> On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:56:37 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > Unless you live alone, you really do need one of those Clean, Dirty
>> > signs
>>
>> > or some other method of signaling to others the state of the dishes in
>>
>> > there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree. Pretty easy for me to tell if they are clean or dirty. And
>> my
>>
>> parents had a sign like that but they would keep forgetting to change it
>> so
>>
>> it was invariably wrong and that led to arguments.
>
> But, but you said... Oh well, never mind.

I know what I said. They obviously didn't look to see if they were clean or
dirty. So... Do you think they would look at a sign? Or even change the
sign? No.

Julian Vrieslander wrote:
>
>We run our dishwasher at least once each day, and it still sometimes
>acquires a nasty odor. I don't know the cause. Perhaps it is from food
>residuals in the garbage grinder output - every dishwasher has a
>mechanism for disposing solids in the outflow.
>
>When we detect the odor, we treat it by placing a cup filled with white
>vinegar on the upper rack, and running the machine cycle. That usually
>eliminates it.
>
>There are also cleaning products specifically designed to deodorize and
>clean dishwashers. We have not tried them.

Well then perhaps you should try those deodorizing products.
The machines with plastic liners tend to pick up odors... it's best to
get a model with a stainless steel liner.

On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>
> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
> clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
> put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
> So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
> in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
> is no big deal.

You need a better machine. I've never had any of those problems and
we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
goes in.

On 2/1/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>> clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
>> put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
>> So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
>> in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
>> is no big deal.
>
> You need a better machine. I've never had any of those problems and
> we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
> goes in.
>
IMHO, there's no point in having a dishwasher if you can't use it to
wash glassware. The glasses were "crushed" by the dishwasher?!
Unbelievable.

Plastic ware - depends on the plastic. I guess no one taught this woman
who (apparently studiously reads "expiration dates" on packages of food
and throws it away if it has passed that magic date) how to read the
information about whether or not something is Diswhasher Safe.

Jill

On 2/1/2014 11:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> IMHO, there's no point in having a dishwasher if you can't use it to
> wash glassware. The glasses were "crushed" by the dishwasher?!
> Unbelievable.

Nonsensical.

> Plastic ware - depends on the plastic. I guess no one taught this woman
> who (apparently studiously reads "expiration dates" on packages of food
> and throws it away if it has passed that magic date) how to read the
> information about whether or not something is Diswhasher Safe.

I'd put it on the top shelf, not sure if that really matters
any more. And most plastic kitchen stuff today is dishwasher
safe.

The only things I don't put into the machine are wood utensils,
steak/chef knives, and pots that take up too much room ... and
I'll run a wash for them sometimes if I just don't feel like
washing them by hand.

Love that appliance. Funny thing is, I don't particularly mind
washing dishes, either, but why when it easy to load a machine.
I'd be washing dishes several times a day without it.

nancy

On 1-Feb-2014, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
>
>
> >
> > I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
> > after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
> > clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
> > put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
> > So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
> > in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
> > is no big deal.
>
> I've never had any of those problems and
> we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
> goes in.

+1 only Kenmore for past 45+ years.

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:56:54 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/1/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
> >> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
> >> clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
> >> put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
> >> So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
> >> in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
> >> is no big deal.
> >
> > You need a better machine. I've never had any of those problems and
> > we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
> > goes in.
> >
> IMHO, there's no point in having a dishwasher if you can't use it to
> wash glassware. The glasses were "crushed" by the dishwasher?!
> Unbelievable.

If you think that's bad, you should hear my husband's version of how
to use a garbage disposal...

In any case, DD is redoing her kitchen so I went out looking at
dishwashers with her. Bosch has a setting that washes only the top
rack and it has a crystal and glass cycle that is "gentler" (for lack
of a better descriptive word on my part) than the regular wash cycle
and won't knock the glasses around.
>
> Plastic ware - depends on the plastic. I guess no one taught this woman
> who (apparently studiously reads "expiration dates" on packages of food
> and throws it away if it has passed that magic date) how to read the
> information about whether or not something is Diswhasher Safe.
>
Bosch also uses the ambient heat from the hot water to dry, so there's
no heater coil to melt wayward pieces of plastic. All that and it's
quiet too.



--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 17:58:28 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 1-Feb-2014, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
> > > after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
> > > clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
> > > put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
> > > So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
> > > in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
> > > is no big deal.
> >
> > I've never had any of those problems and
> > we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
> > goes in.
>
> +1 only Kenmore for past 45+ years.

That thing must be as loud as a train passing by or an airplane taking
off.


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 2/1/2014 1:20 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:56:54 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>>>> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>>>> clogging it up.
(snip)

>>> You need a better machine. I've never had any of those problems and
>>> we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
>>> goes in.
>>>
>> IMHO, there's no point in having a dishwasher if you can't use it to
>> wash glassware. The glasses were "crushed" by the dishwasher?!
>> Unbelievable.
>
> If you think that's bad, you should hear my husband's version of how
> to use a garbage disposal...
>
LOL

> In any case, DD is redoing her kitchen so I went out looking at
> dishwashers with her. Bosch has a setting that washes only the top
> rack and it has a crystal and glass cycle that is "gentler" (for lack
> of a better descriptive word on my part) than the regular wash cycle
> and won't knock the glasses around.

Mine, a GE, also has crystal and china setting. Of course you're
supposed to put the crystal in the top rack. It also has fold-out
holders for keeping stemware from moving around.

>> Plastic ware - depends on the plastic. I guess no one taught this woman
>> who (apparently studiously reads "expiration dates" on packages of food
>> and throws it away if it has passed that magic date) how to read the
>> information about whether or not something is Diswhasher Safe.
>>
> Bosch also uses the ambient heat from the hot water to dry, so there's
> no heater coil to melt wayward pieces of plastic. All that and it's
> quiet too.
>
There are many varying settings on my dishwasher. It doesn't have to be
set to extremely hot. You can choose a "light wash" or a "pots and
pans" setting. It doesn't have to be a heated dry, either.

As always, Julie's experience with dishwashers seems to be rather unique.

Jill

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 13:30:10 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/1/2014 1:20 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:56:54 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>>>>> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>>>>> clogging it up.
>(snip)
>
>>>> You need a better machine. I've never had any of those problems and
>>>> we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
>>>> goes in.
>>>>
>>> IMHO, there's no point in having a dishwasher if you can't use it to
>>> wash glassware. The glasses were "crushed" by the dishwasher?!
>>> Unbelievable.
>>
>> If you think that's bad, you should hear my husband's version of how
>> to use a garbage disposal...
>>
>LOL
>
>> In any case, DD is redoing her kitchen so I went out looking at
>> dishwashers with her. Bosch has a setting that washes only the top
>> rack and it has a crystal and glass cycle that is "gentler" (for lack
>> of a better descriptive word on my part) than the regular wash cycle
>> and won't knock the glasses around.
>
>Mine, a GE, also has crystal and china setting. Of course you're
>supposed to put the crystal in the top rack. It also has fold-out
>holders for keeping stemware from moving around.
>
>>> Plastic ware - depends on the plastic. I guess no one taught this woman
>>> who (apparently studiously reads "expiration dates" on packages of food
>>> and throws it away if it has passed that magic date) how to read the
>>> information about whether or not something is Diswhasher Safe.
>>>
>> Bosch also uses the ambient heat from the hot water to dry, so there's
>> no heater coil to melt wayward pieces of plastic. All that and it's
>> quiet too.
>>
>There are many varying settings on my dishwasher. It doesn't have to be
>set to extremely hot. You can choose a "light wash" or a "pots and
>pans" setting. It doesn't have to be a heated dry, either.
>
>As always, Julie's experience with dishwashers seems to be rather unique.
>
>Jill

I can't remember a time when I had a dishwasher without those
features. Well, except, they have made dishwashers much quieter.
This poster has had problems with operation of most if not all
appliances in her house. She is doing the right thing by not
attempting to use them.
Janet US

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 17:58:28 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 1-Feb-2014, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>> > after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>> > clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
>> > put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
>> > So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
>> > in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
>> > is no big deal.
>>
>> I've never had any of those problems and
>> we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
>> goes in.
>
>+1 only Kenmore for past 45+ years.
Consumer Reports constantly marks Kenmore appliances high. I believe
this last time around that the Bosch got #1.
Janet US

On 2/1/2014 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>>
>> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>> clogging it up.

How the hell does a dishwasher crush glass to powder? That makes
absolutely no sense.

--
DreadfulBitch

I intend to live forever....so far, so good.
......Steven Wright

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:45:55 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 1/30/2014 11:22 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Loading and unloading the dishwasher was a chore we used to assign to
>>>> the kids. That and changing the cat litter.
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>
>>> Unloading was always my sons job. To this day his wife says he won't
>>> unload a dishwasher, though he will load it.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> I don't know why but I dread unloading the dishwasher. I put it off as
>> long as I possibly can. I try to wash up as I go but I do run it a few
>> months a month. And then I look at it for a couple of days and think,
>> "I'll unload it tomorrow."
>
>I would make the mistake of taking a few things out as needed and then
>wouldn't you know, someone else would put something dirty in there, seeing
>it not quite full.

That's just dumb and lazy...

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:51:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:45:55 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On 1/30/2014 11:22 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> Loading and unloading the dishwasher was a chore we used to assign to
>>
>> >>> the kids. That and changing the cat litter.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Doris
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Unloading was always my sons job. To this day his wife says he won't
>>
>> >> unload a dishwasher, though he will load it.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Cheri
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I don't know why but I dread unloading the dishwasher. I put it off as
>>
>> > long as I possibly can. I try to wash up as I go but I do run it a few
>>
>> > months a month. And then I look at it for a couple of days and think,
>>
>> > "I'll unload it tomorrow."
>>
>>
>>
>> I would make the mistake of taking a few things out as needed and then
>>
>> wouldn't you know, someone else would put something dirty in there, seeing
>>
>> it not quite full.
>
>Unless you live alone, you really do need one of those Clean, Dirty signs or some other method of signaling to others the state of the dishes in there.

Even a pea brain would remove the just cleaned dishes right away... I
bet you put on your shoes and then become all flustered about how to
put your socks on.

julie.nils wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote:
>>julie.nils wrote:
>>
>> > Unless you live alone, you really do need one of those Clean, Dirty signs
>> > or some other method of signaling to others the state of the dishes in
>> > there.
>>
>> I disagree. Pretty easy for me to tell if they are clean or dirty. And my
>> parents had a sign like that but they would keep forgetting to change it so
>> it was invariably wrong and that led to arguments.
>
>But, but you said... Oh well, never mind.

I've very often removed a soiled item and hand washed it because I
needed/wanted it, but I've never removed a just cleaned item without
emptying everything from the dishwasher... that would be extremely
stupid, maximumly lazy, and grossly uncaring.

Do yoose two julie schlumps have the same DNA?

On Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:47:28 PM UTC-8, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> julie.nils wrote:
>
> >Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>julie.nils wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> > Unless you live alone, you really do need one of those Clean, Dirty signs
>
> >> > or some other method of signaling to others the state of the dishes in
>
> >> > there.
>
> >>
>
> >> I disagree. Pretty easy for me to tell if they are clean or dirty. And my
>
> >> parents had a sign like that but they would keep forgetting to change it so
>
> >> it was invariably wrong and that led to arguments.
>
> >
>
> >But, but you said... Oh well, never mind.
>
>
>
> I've very often removed a soiled item and hand washed it because I
>
> needed/wanted it, but I've never removed a just cleaned item without
>
> emptying everything from the dishwasher... that would be extremely
>
> stupid, maximumly lazy, and grossly uncaring.
>
>
>
> Do yoose two julie schlumps have the same DNA?

Why would you put me in the same category as The Bove? My family would most definitely heed the sign and not put dirty dishes into the dishwasher with clean items.

How many of us haven't grabbed a clean item out of the dishwasher without unloadiing the whole thing?
It's ridiculous to say that it is stupid, maximumly lazy, and grossly uncaring, which is exactly what my family is not, but appears that The Bove's is.


Yeah, yeah, I know this is your schtick, I've been reading it for a long time.

Julie P.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:31:21 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 1/29/2014 11:35 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>
>
>>>> Really? With the dishwasher? How do you keep it from smelling bad in
>>>> between times? I'm curious.
>>>
>>> Why would the dishwasher smell bad between uses? I've never had a
>>> dishwasher smell bad. This one is fairly new. Can't remember exactly
>>> when I got it. Perhaps 4-6 years ago? It's not like anything is
>>> getting in there between uses and it's all clean in there. So... ?
>>
>> Because my manual (GE) says there should be a small amount of water left
>> after the cycle completes, and if I didn't run it for a long time, it
>> would smell. I was wondering how yours doesn't.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>The only time we ever have an odor is from dirty dishes sitting in it
>between loads. Fish, milk and the like will give an odor. Sitting
>empty, never had an odor. Ours is Kitchen Aid.

Ours is a Maytag... but I don't think the brand much matters... we at
minimum rinse items that go in the dishwasher. Sometimes it's not run
for 3-4 weeks because I prefer to pull out soiled items and hand wash
whenever the hot water is up at the sink when I wash pots, etc., I
don't wash pots in the DW, most of my pots wouldn't fit. One way to
keep a dishwasher from stagnating between uses is not to close the
door all the way, I keep a dish towel draped over the door so it can't
latch, the local appliance repair center gave me that suggestion...
was becaudr over the years with constant use the latch wore to the
point that once latched it was difficult to open the door... a new
latch would cost over $150 installed, remembering to keep a small dish
towel over the latch costs nothing... and at the same time air
circulates so no odor... actually there's no remembering, just leave
the fancy schmancy dish towel there, a good way to display it but
never use it. Right now the dishwasher hasn't run for about a month,
all that's in it are four plastic storage containers with lids, I
don't like washing those by hand, the DW does a better job with
plastic becasue plastics do absorb some cooking fats. I don't like to
wash glassware in the DW, not even everyday cheapos, because they
become etched. I hand wash a lot of cat food bowls every day, so once
the hot water is up at the sink it's no biggie to hand wash the few
items from the DW. Here the DW is primarily for company meals... I've
yet to use a dish today, and since dinner will be potatoes and eggs
there'll only be paper plates and two forks, forks will get hand
washed with the cat food bowls. I'll hand wash the large fry pan and
spatula too at the same time. I don't really mind hand dishwashing...
maybe some of yoose are allergic to soap and water, I have no such
aversion, I like cleanliness.

On Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:22:14 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 17:58:28 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > On 1-Feb-2014, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>
> > > > after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>
> > > > clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
>
> > > > put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
>
> > > > So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
>
> > > > in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
>
> > > > is no big deal.
>
> > >
>
> > > I've never had any of those problems and
>
> > > we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
>
> > > goes in.
>
> >
>
> > +1 only Kenmore for past 45+ years.
>
>
>
> That thing must be as loud as a train passing by or an airplane taking
>
> off.
>
My dishwasher is very quiet, but the old Maytag I had for 1992 was a bit
loud, but I didn't mind. Thinking about the dishes getting cleaned made
me happy.

This is my fantasy dishwasher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4zbUtuEsDk

--B

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>>
>> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>> clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
>> put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
>> So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
>> in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
>> is no big deal.
>
> You need a better machine. I've never had any of those problems and we've
> had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything goes in.

Especially since the *sparkling glasses* are one of the best selling points.

Cheri

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> don't like washing those by hand, the DW does a better job with
> plastic becasue plastics do absorb some cooking fats. I don't like to
> wash glassware in the DW, not even everyday cheapos, because they
> become etched. I hand wash a lot of cat food bowls every day, so once

I've never had glasses become etched.

Cheri

On 2/1/2014 9:34 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> news >
>> don't like washing those by hand, the DW does a better job with
>> plastic becasue plastics do absorb some cooking fats. I don't like to
>> wash glassware in the DW, not even everyday cheapos, because they
>> become etched. I hand wash a lot of cat food bowls every day, so once
>
> I've never had glasses become etched.
>
> Cheri

I haven't had a problem with etching, either. I've had some glassware
become a little cloudy. Putting some white vinegar in the rinse agent
dispensor fixed that problem right up. Glassware comes out sparkling.

Jill

On 2/1/2014 3:04 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
> On 2/1/2014 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>>> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>>> clogging it up.
>
> How the hell does a dishwasher crush glass to powder? That makes
> absolutely no sense.
>
Well, in the Twilight Zone... sorry, I shouldn't go there.

Jill

On 2014-02-01 21:43, jmcquown wrote:

>
> I haven't had a problem with etching, either. I've had some glassware
> become a little cloudy. Putting some white vinegar in the rinse agent
> dispensor fixed that problem right up. Glassware comes out sparkling.
>

I haven't but I have seen it. MiL's glasses were all badly etched from
60s era dishwasher.

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 21:54:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-02-01 21:43, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> I haven't had a problem with etching, either. I've had some glassware
>> become a little cloudy. Putting some white vinegar in the rinse agent
>> dispensor fixed that problem right up. Glassware comes out sparkling.
>>
>
>I haven't but I have seen it. MiL's glasses were all badly etched from
>60s era dishwasher.

My mother had that happen ~25 years ago. I don't know if it was the
dishwasher or the detergent. They were really nice wine glasses, and
it's a shame they were ruined.

Doris

On 1/30/2014 9:39 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
>
> I know my dishwasher reeks if not used for several days. There's only
> two of us and I always wait until I've got a full load so it may take
> more than several days to fill it up. I could probably fill it up
> faster, but I hand wash all of my stainless steel pots & pans.

Just one here and mine is run once a week. i rinse the dishes and don't
leave food on them, so once a week works for me with no stink. I also
wash my pots and pans (stainless) mostly by hand.

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On 2/1/2014 9:43 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/1/2014 9:34 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> news >>
>>> don't like washing those by hand, the DW does a better job with
>>> plastic becasue plastics do absorb some cooking fats. I don't like to
>>> wash glassware in the DW, not even everyday cheapos, because they
>>> become etched. I hand wash a lot of cat food bowls every day, so once
>>
>> I've never had glasses become etched.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I haven't had a problem with etching, either. I've had some glassware
> become a little cloudy. Putting some white vinegar in the rinse agent
> dispensor fixed that problem right up. Glassware comes out sparkling.
>
> Jill

I haven't either, and I use Cascade Complete pods. Since I started
using them my dishes and glasses come out beautifully clean and unetched.

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On 1/30/2014 11:35 AM, Doris Night wrote:

> Loading and unloading the dishwasher was a chore we used to assign to
> the kids. That and changing the cat litter.

That's what my sister does. But she's a cancer survivor of recent, and
has a multitude of other problems, so the kids are good about doing
those chores.

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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>>
>> I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>> after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point of
>> clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
>> put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
>> So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would go
>> in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the rest
>> is no big deal.
>
> You need a better machine. I've never had any of those problems and we've
> had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything goes in.

That's not the one I have now. The one that broke glasses was in my first
apartment. I didn't know anything about dishwashers as the one we had while
I was growing up didn't work and my parents didn't get a new one until my
brother and I moved out.

I'm not sure which one melted the plastic. It was in this house but may
have been the old one. It's all rather a moot point now though.

Glasses are rarely used since we drink stuff mostly from bottles and cans.
I use paper cups when I want a quick drink of water or to take pills.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> IMHO, there's no point in having a dishwasher if you can't use it to wash
> glassware. The glasses were "crushed" by the dishwasher?! Unbelievable.

Not unbelievable at all. They matched my Corelle and they were very thin
glass and also tall and thin and unwiedly in design. So when you put them
in there, they clanked into each other. The ones I have now that match my
Corelle are thicker and not that height or shape.
>
> Plastic ware - depends on the plastic. I guess no one taught this woman
> who (apparently studiously reads "expiration dates" on packages of food
> and throws it away if it has passed that magic date) how to read the
> information about whether or not something is Diswhasher Safe.

It was dishwasher safe. It was Tupperware. But it was small and flat and
fell down into the bottom of the dishwasher. I think anything plastic would
melt down there. I did have some of those dishwasher baskets at some point
in time. They rusted and I tossed them. I used to put the lids and seals
for Angela's sippy cups in there. When she was using 6 or more sippy cups
in a day or even bottles (although used briefly), you'd better believe that
I used the dishwasher.

But now? Not much of a need.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> There are many varying settings on my dishwasher. It doesn't have to be
> set to extremely hot. You can choose a "light wash" or a "pots and pans"
> setting. It doesn't have to be a heated dry, either.

Mine is always set to extremely hot. And the dishwasher that broke the
glasses was in an apartment in the 1970's. I don't remember the
particulars.

Also had a dishwasher repairman in NY blame the clog on the liquid dish
detergent I had been using. Told me to only use powder from now on. I do
have pods now only because they were a gift. So far, so good.
>
> As always, Julie's experience with dishwashers seems to be rather unique.

I don't know about that but I never took a poll

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...

> I can't remember a time when I had a dishwasher without those
> features. Well, except, they have made dishwashers much quieter.
> This poster has had problems with operation of most if not all
> appliances in her house. She is doing the right thing by not
> attempting to use them.
> Janet US

Nonsense! I have most certainly not had problems with all of the
appliances. I have had microwaves break. They just do! I did accidentally
pull off the supports to my stove. The metal rods that hold the top open
for cleaning. The fridge? No real problems except that it occasionally
freezes things. The freezer in the garage? Broke because it was in the
garage most likely. Washer and dryer broke but... They were ancient!

"l not -l" > wrote in message
eb.com...
>
> On 1-Feb-2014, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2014 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I had a dishwasher repairman tell me not to put glasses in it. This
>> > after several of my glasses were crushed to powder by it to the point
>> > of
>> > clogging it up. Wasn't this dishwasher but another one. I also won't
>> > put pots and pans in there or plastics after having some plastic melt.
>> > So basically only casseroles, mixing bowls, plates and flatware would
>> > go
>> > in there. Since I have to hand wash the others anyway, washing the
>> > rest
>> > is no big deal.
>>
>> I've never had any of those problems and
>> we've had Kitchen Aid for the past 45 years in two houses. Everything
>> goes in.
>
> +1 only Kenmore for past 45+ years.

You have no choice when you are renting or in military housing.

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...

> How the hell does a dishwasher crush glass to powder? That makes
> absolutely no sense.

Easy. If I could post a pic of these glasses, I would. I'll look. Maybe
on Ebay...

Well here are the dishes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1970...em338a37 0326

Dishwasher didn't do those any favors either. Faded the colors and
eventually ate the pattern right off of them.

Ah! Finally! A single tumbler! Their others were probably broken.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Corning-Core...em3ccb7a 91f0

As you can see, the glass is *very* thin and they are 16 oz. glasses so
tall. Some of the dishwashers I had, had sort of spiky things to hold
glasses and cups. This one did not and so because they were so tall, they
clanked together and because they were so thin, they broke. n

I wound up not keeping the dishes, glasses or the pans that matched. The
pans were crap too. Cheaply made enamelware. They chipped in and out and
rusted by where the handles were. And they were no good for cooking.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

> Even a pea brain would remove the just cleaned dishes right away... I
> bet you put on your shoes and then become all flustered about how to
> put your socks on.

People can't always empty it right away. Used to be that after dinner, I'd
help Angela with homework. Couldn't very well tell her to stop and wait
till I emptied the dishwasher.

And if you were having dinner at someone's house... Would you want them to
leave the conversation to go empty the dishwasher?

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> julie.nils wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>julie.nils wrote:
>>>
>>> > Unless you live alone, you really do need one of those Clean, Dirty
>>> > signs
>>> > or some other method of signaling to others the state of the dishes in
>>> > there.
>>>
>>> I disagree. Pretty easy for me to tell if they are clean or dirty. And
>>> my
>>> parents had a sign like that but they would keep forgetting to change it
>>> so
>>> it was invariably wrong and that led to arguments.
>>
>>But, but you said... Oh well, never mind.
>
> I've very often removed a soiled item and hand washed it because I
> needed/wanted it, but I've never removed a just cleaned item without
> emptying everything from the dishwasher... that would be extremely
> stupid, maximumly lazy, and grossly uncaring.
>
> Do yoose two julie schlumps have the same DNA?

Let's hope not but I am thinking of having my DNA tested.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:31:21 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 1/29/2014 11:35 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Really? With the dishwasher? How do you keep it from smelling bad in
>>>>> between times? I'm curious.
>>>>
>>>> Why would the dishwasher smell bad between uses? I've never had a
>>>> dishwasher smell bad. This one is fairly new. Can't remember exactly
>>>> when I got it. Perhaps 4-6 years ago? It's not like anything is
>>>> getting in there between uses and it's all clean in there. So... ?
>>>
>>> Because my manual (GE) says there should be a small amount of water left
>>> after the cycle completes, and if I didn't run it for a long time, it
>>> would smell. I was wondering how yours doesn't.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>The only time we ever have an odor is from dirty dishes sitting in it
>>between loads. Fish, milk and the like will give an odor. Sitting
>>empty, never had an odor. Ours is Kitchen Aid.
>
> Ours is a Maytag... but I don't think the brand much matters... we at
> minimum rinse items that go in the dishwasher. Sometimes it's not run
> for 3-4 weeks because I prefer to pull out soiled items and hand wash
> whenever the hot water is up at the sink when I wash pots, etc., I
> don't wash pots in the DW, most of my pots wouldn't fit. One way to
> keep a dishwasher from stagnating between uses is not to close the
> door all the way, I keep a dish towel draped over the door so it can't
> latch, the local appliance repair center gave me that suggestion...
> was becaudr over the years with constant use the latch wore to the
> point that once latched it was difficult to open the door... a new
> latch would cost over $150 installed, remembering to keep a small dish
> towel over the latch costs nothing... and at the same time air
> circulates so no odor... actually there's no remembering, just leave
> the fancy schmancy dish towel there, a good way to display it but
> never use it. Right now the dishwasher hasn't run for about a month,
> all that's in it are four plastic storage containers with lids, I
> don't like washing those by hand, the DW does a better job with
> plastic becasue plastics do absorb some cooking fats. I don't like to
> wash glassware in the DW, not even everyday cheapos, because they
> become etched. I hand wash a lot of cat food bowls every day, so once
> the hot water is up at the sink it's no biggie to hand wash the few
> items from the DW. Here the DW is primarily for company meals... I've
> yet to use a dish today, and since dinner will be potatoes and eggs
> there'll only be paper plates and two forks, forks will get hand
> washed with the cat food bowls. I'll hand wash the large fry pan and
> spatula too at the same time. I don't really mind hand dishwashing...
> maybe some of yoose are allergic to soap and water, I have no such
> aversion, I like cleanliness.

My parents had very thick, sturdy glasses. They put everything in there
except for sharp knives and perhaps the largest pots. Their glasses were so
horribly etched that had they been mine, I would have replaced them years
ago. Then when we moved to NY, they gifted me with them after they bought
new ones.

I don't know why but they would often think that their old whatever it was,
was somehow better than my whatever it was. And this was no exception.

I didn't unpack the things until they came to visit. And then I served them
ice water in them. They were horrified at how bad they looked. That's when
I tossed them. Heh.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> news >
>> don't like washing those by hand, the DW does a better job with
>> plastic becasue plastics do absorb some cooking fats. I don't like to
>> wash glassware in the DW, not even everyday cheapos, because they
>> become etched. I hand wash a lot of cat food bowls every day, so once
>
> I've never had glasses become etched.

I wonder if it has to do with the water? Or the type of detergent being
used? Glasses certainly do get etched in the dishwasher. Our water is soft
here.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> I haven't had a problem with etching, either. I've had some glassware
> become a little cloudy. Putting some white vinegar in the rinse agent
> dispensor fixed that problem right up. Glassware comes out sparkling.

My parent's went beyond cloudy. It had sort of like a rainbow effect and
the glass was no longer smooth. This didn't happen right away though.
Probably after about 10-15 years.

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> ...
>

> > This poster has had problems with operation of most if not all
> > appliances in her house. She is doing the right thing by not
> > attempting to use them.
> > Janet US
>
> Nonsense! I have most certainly not had problems with all of the
> appliances. I have had microwaves break. They just do! I did accidentally
> pull off the supports to my stove. The metal rods that hold the top open
> for cleaning. The fridge? No real problems except that it occasionally
> freezes things. The freezer in the garage? Broke because it was in the
> garage most likely. Washer and dryer broke but... They were ancient!

Maybe it would be quicker to list the appliances that didn't break.
Or just concede that Janet Bostwick was correct.

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>
>> > This poster has had problems with operation of most if not all
>> > appliances in her house. She is doing the right thing by not
>> > attempting to use them.
>> > Janet US
>>
>> Nonsense! I have most certainly not had problems with all of the
>> appliances. I have had microwaves break. They just do! I did
>> accidentally
>> pull off the supports to my stove. The metal rods that hold the top open
>> for cleaning. The fridge? No real problems except that it occasionally
>> freezes things. The freezer in the garage? Broke because it was in the
>> garage most likely. Washer and dryer broke but... They were ancient!
>
> Maybe it would be quicker to list the appliances that didn't break.
> Or just concede that Janet Bostwick was correct.

The stove didn't break. Aside from the supports being ripped off
accidentally by me and my not being able to put them back on by myself, it's
fine. New microwave is fine as are all three fridge/freezers, the new
washer, dryer and all of the small appliances. And the dishwasher is just
fine!

What is it with you people? You have dinosaur appliances that never need to
be replaced? We bought this house used and it came with used, crappy
appliances. I still have a washer in the garage. It probably works. But
it's not HE and I wanted HE.