"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 2/7/2014 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> I love seeing what everyone cooks and posts here, but most of you must be
>> retired with the meals I see posted on a daily basis. Working full time
>> puts a crimp in my creative cooking cause I'm usually too pooped to mess
>> with a lot of prep or complicated dishes when I get home.
>>
>> I do most of my cooking on the weekends and then have that through the
>> week.
>> One of these days......maybe I'll be able to retire, but not yet.
>>
>> envious of you guys.
>>
> I'm 51 so not retired. I have been working remotely from home since my
> back surgery though. It just didn't seem to help and some symptoms of
> back problems are actually getting worse.

Oh I'm sorry

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"bigwheel" > wrote in message
...
>
> ImStillMags;1908836 Wrote:
>> I love seeing what everyone cooks and posts here, but most of you must
>> be retired with the meals I see posted on a daily basis. Working full
>> time puts a crimp in my creative cooking cause I'm usually too pooped to
>> mess with a lot of prep or complicated dishes when I get home.
>>
>> I do most of my cooking on the weekends and then have that through the
>> week..
>> One of these days......maybe I'll be able to retire, but not yet.
>>
>> envious of you guys.
>
> Keep up the hard work. That is how all us old retired folks got our
> start. lol Beanie Weenies are pretty healthy.

Beanie Weenies?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "bigwheel" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> ImStillMags;1908836 Wrote:
>>> I love seeing what everyone cooks and posts here, but most of you must
>>> be retired with the meals I see posted on a daily basis. Working full
>>> time puts a crimp in my creative cooking cause I'm usually too pooped to
>>> mess with a lot of prep or complicated dishes when I get home.
>>>
>>> I do most of my cooking on the weekends and then have that through the
>>> week..
>>> One of these days......maybe I'll be able to retire, but not yet.
>>>
>>> envious of you guys.
>>
>> Keep up the hard work. That is how all us old retired folks got our
>> start. lol Beanie Weenies are pretty healthy.
>
> Beanie Weenies?

It's a canned product. Beans which I think are akin to Pork and Beans with
Weenies (hot dogs/frankfurters) cut up in it. I have not had the pleasure
of ever eating it. Angela did ask for a little can once and I think she
even ate it.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

>> Beanie Weenies?
>
> It's a canned product. Beans which I think are akin to Pork and Beans
> with Weenies (hot dogs/frankfurters) cut up in it. I have not had the
> pleasure of ever eating it. Angela did ask for a little can once and I
> think she even ate it.

Thanks


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2/8/2014 4:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/7/2014 5:45 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-07 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>>>> envious of you guys.
>>>
>>> You should be. It beats the hell out of working.
>>
>> People were concerned when Ron decided to retire early.
>> They said But what will you do??!
>>
>> You're kidding, right? I know what I won't be doing,
>> driving out here every day, holding status meetings etc etc.
>
> Amen to that)
>
Right? They think all that stress and aggravation is Something
to do? It's not that kind of job, that you love and want to
keep doing.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/8/2014 4:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2/7/2014 5:45 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-02-07 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>
>>>>> envious of you guys.
>>>>
>>>> You should be. It beats the hell out of working.
>>>
>>> People were concerned when Ron decided to retire early.
>>> They said But what will you do??!
>>>
>>> You're kidding, right? I know what I won't be doing,
>>> driving out here every day, holding status meetings etc etc.
>>
>> Amen to that)
>>
> Right? They think all that stress and aggravation is Something
> to do? It's not that kind of job, that you love and want to
> keep doing.

Ahhh! I have to say I did love my job and was sorry to retire but I
wouldn't go back now. I didn't have to retire (they didn't care about age)
but I wanted to travel with my husband so I did. I did miss it for a while
but as I said, I wouldn't change anything now


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

I wish.

As some others here, I work from home - which has its pros and cons...


BTW, after all the oxtail talk here, I bought some the other day. It's
been gently simmering on the stove top with some beef stock, onions,
crushed garlic and carrots for a few hours. In another hour or so (or when
the meat starts literally falling off the bone), I will allow it to cool
and then it will go in the fridge overnight. Tomorrow, after skimming off
the fat, I will add some green beans and diced potatoes and let the lot
simmer again until the veg is done. I will probably also make some rice to
go with it for those who want - and that's gonna be dinner tomorrow.

Today (because the weather is nice a warm) we're grilling various meats
outdoors (chicken, ribs and some pork chops); got some corn on the cob
that can go on the grill too - and will also make some garlic bread from a
kinda stale french loaf I have here - and some sort of green salad.


--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On 2/8/2014 7:55 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> Right? They think all that stress and aggravation is Something
>> to do? It's not that kind of job, that you love and want to
>> keep doing.
>
> Ahhh! I have to say I did love my job and was sorry to retire but I
> wouldn't go back now.

It sounds like you had an interesting job. We both enjoyed what
we did, it's just that over the years, the bullshit stuff took
over. Less and less fun every day, and more and more of the life
sucking crap. We saved and saved so we would have options.

> I didn't have to retire (they didn't care about
> age) but I wanted to travel with my husband so I did. I did miss it for
> a while but as I said, I wouldn't change anything now

You did the right thing, in my opinion.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/8/2014 7:55 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> Right? They think all that stress and aggravation is Something
>>> to do? It's not that kind of job, that you love and want to
>>> keep doing.
>>
>> Ahhh! I have to say I did love my job and was sorry to retire but I
>> wouldn't go back now.
>
> It sounds like you had an interesting job. We both enjoyed what
> we did, it's just that over the years, the bullshit stuff took
> over. Less and less fun every day, and more and more of the life
> sucking crap. We saved and saved so we would have options.

I do agree. The further up the ladder you go the less time you have for the
fun things.


>> I didn't have to retire (they didn't care about
>> age) but I wanted to travel with my husband so I did. I did miss it for
>> a while but as I said, I wouldn't change anything now
>
> You did the right thing, in my opinion.

Thanks, I think so and I regret nothing )


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 14:59:44 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>I wish.
>>
>>As some others here, I work from home - which has its pros and cons...
>>
>>
>>BTW, after all the oxtail talk here, I bought some the other day. It's
>>been gently simmering on the stove top with some beef stock, onions,
>>crushed garlic and carrots for a few hours. In another hour or so (or when
>>the meat starts literally falling off the bone), I will allow it to cool
>>and then it will go in the fridge overnight. Tomorrow, after skimming off
>>the fat, I will add some green beans and diced potatoes and let the lot
>>simmer again until the veg is done. I will probably also make some rice to
>>go with it for those who want - and that's gonna be dinner tomorrow.
>>
>>Today (because the weather is nice a warm) we're grilling various meats
>>outdoors (chicken, ribs and some pork chops); got some corn on the cob
>>that can go on the grill too - and will also make some garlic bread from a
>>kinda stale french loaf I have here - and some sort of green salad.
>
> You've created my appetite, I have some oxtail already cooked in the
> freezer, supper is now decided

It does sound good))

I had half a roast chicken in the fridge to atm I am making a chicken and
mushroom pie)

It is a favourite so will go down very well)



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

I want to retire FROM cooking.
--
--
Barb
www.barbschaller.com, last update April 2013

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
news:2014020808274540821-barbschaller@earthlinknet...
> I want to retire FROM cooking.

OH Barb!!!! Really????


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>I wish.
>As some others here, I work from home - which has its pros and cons...
>
>
>BTW, after all the oxtail talk here, I bought some the other day. It's
>been gently simmering on the stove top with some beef stock, onions,
>crushed garlic and carrots for a few hours. In another hour or so (or when
>the meat starts literally falling off the bone), I will allow it to cool
>and then it will go in the fridge overnight. Tomorrow, after skimming off
>the fat, I will add some green beans and diced potatoes and let the lot
>simmer again until the veg is done. I will probably also make some rice to
>go with it for those who want - and that's gonna be dinner tomorrow.

Sounds African....
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/african-style-oxtail-stew/

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-8, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> I want to retire FROM cooking.
>
> --
>
> --
>
> Barb
>
> www.barbschaller.com, last update April 2013

See Barb, when you make a name for yourself with all the wonderful things you can cook, then it's hard to walk away......not cause you can't, but because nobody else will allow you to just quit!.... you've created a monster !!! :-)

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-8, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> I want to retire FROM cooking.
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>>
>> Barb
>>
>> www.barbschaller.com, last update April 2013
>
> See Barb, when you make a name for yourself with all the wonderful things
> you can cook, then it's hard to walk away......not cause you can't, but
> because nobody else will allow you to just quit!.... you've created a
> monster !!! :-)

Exactly!!! )

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I had half a roast chicken in the fridge to atm I am making a chicken and
> mushroom pie)

Chicken and mushroom pie? I'm starting to wish that you weren't
married. heheh

G.

PS - do you use that UK mushroom ketchup often or at all? I'll find it
somewhere someday and try it. I guess I could order some online but I
rarely do that.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:11:08 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:


> Sounds African....

You expected something else? ;-)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy - born and bred in Africa.

On 2/7/2014 9:01 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 2/7/2014 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> I love seeing what everyone cooks and posts here, but most of you must
>> be retired with the meals I see posted on a daily basis. Working
>> full time puts a crimp in my creative cooking cause I'm usually too
>> pooped to mess with a lot of prep or complicated dishes when I get home.
>>
>> I do most of my cooking on the weekends and then have that through the
>> week.
>> One of these days......maybe I'll be able to retire, but not yet.
>>
>> envious of you guys.
>>
> I'm 51 so not retired. I have been working remotely from home since my
> back surgery though. It just didn't seem to help and some symptoms of
> back problems are actually getting worse.
>

Sorry to hear about your back.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> I want to retire FROM cooking.
> --
> --
> Barb

Ok, but you won't win any blue ribbons for doing that.

G.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:27:45 -0600, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> I want to retire FROM cooking.

Not a chance...

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On 2/7/2014 10:01 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 2/7/2014 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> I love seeing what everyone cooks and posts here, but most of you must
>> be retired with the meals I see posted on a daily basis. Working
>> full time puts a crimp in my creative cooking cause I'm usually too
>> pooped to mess with a lot of prep or complicated dishes when I get home.
>>
>> I do most of my cooking on the weekends and then have that through the
>> week.
>> One of these days......maybe I'll be able to retire, but not yet.
>>
>> envious of you guys.
>>
> I'm 51 so not retired. I have been working remotely from home since my
> back surgery though. It just didn't seem to help and some symptoms of
> back problems are actually getting worse.
>
I'm very sorry to hear you're still having back problems. You're lucky
to be able to work remotely from home. That's got to be a *big* help.

I hope you can find a way to alleviate your back problems.

Jill

On 2/8/2014 11:30 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:11:08 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>
>> Sounds African....
>
> You expected something else? ;-)
>
I guess he doesn't realize where you live.

Jill

On 2/7/2014 7:07 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 2/7/2014 5:45 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-02-07 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
>>> envious of you guys.
>>
>> You should be. It beats the hell out of working.
>
> People were concerned when Ron decided to retire early.
> They said But what will you do??!
>
> You're kidding, right? I know what I won't be doing,
> driving out here every day, holding status meetings etc etc.
>
> nancy
>
I was RIF'd (Reduction in Force) years ago along with a bunch of other
people in IT. It turned out to be a good thing in the long run. I
loved my job. But towards the end it became meeting after meeting.
Management sure liked to listen to themselves talk! Talk about how we
could do our jobs better. How about you let us go back to our desks and
*do* our jobs?

Don't get me started on the stupid "teambuilding" exercises...

Jill

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I had half a roast chicken in the fridge to atm I am making a chicken and
>> mushroom pie)
>
> Chicken and mushroom pie? I'm starting to wish that you weren't
> married. heheh

lol

> PS - do you use that UK mushroom ketchup often or at all? I'll find it
> somewhere someday and try it. I guess I could order some online but I
> rarely do that.

I don't make it because I can buy it in the shops. I use it as seasoning
the same way I use Worcester sauce.

If you want to make it I will post a recipe?



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2/8/2014 11:03 AM, ImStillMags wrote:

> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-8, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> I want to retire FROM cooking.

> See Barb, when you make a name for yourself with all the wonderful
> things you can cook, then it's hard to walk away......not cause you
> can't, but because nobody else will allow you to just quit!....
> you've created a monster !!! :-)

Imagine how intimidating to take over cooking at her house? Heh.

Don't see it happening.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/8/2014 11:03 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-8, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>> I want to retire FROM cooking.
>
>> See Barb, when you make a name for yourself with all the wonderful
> > things you can cook, then it's hard to walk away......not cause you
> > can't, but because nobody else will allow you to just quit!....
> > you've created a monster !!! :-)
>
> Imagine how intimidating to take over cooking at her house? Heh.
>
> Don't see it happening.

Ain't that the truth!!!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2/8/2014 10:36 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:27:45 -0600, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
>> I want to retire FROM cooking.
>
> Not a chance...
>

When I want a respite from cooking, I go on a cruise. Got one coming up
very soon.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

On Friday, February 7, 2014 10:27:03 PM UTC-5, bigwheel wrote:
through the

>
> Keep up the hard work. That is how all us old retired folks got our
>
> start. lol Beanie Weenies are pretty healthy.
>


Ah, Beanie Weenies. Brings back good memories. We lugged 'em on the motorcycle as emergency food. (Dinty Moore stew was too bulky to carry.)
We never had to resort to the BWs, but I tucked 'em away in my larder for about 10 years as a souvenir of a trip thru the Smokies. I daresay it was much beyond the 'best by' date', if it even had one.

On 2014-02-08, jmcquown > wrote:

> Management sure liked to listen to themselves talk! Talk about how we
> could do our jobs better. How about you let us go back to our desks and
> *do* our jobs?
>
> Don't get me started on the stupid "teambuilding" exercises...

LOL!!..... oh, the memories.

Wasn't it all so stupid? Middle mgt is the biggest waste/drain on
corporate structure of all time. Astonishingly, it was identified as
such way back in the 1970 in the brilliant book, Up the Organization
by Peter Townsend.

It was another 20 yrs before I actually experienced the fact that it
was still alive and well and flourishing, Even in enlightened and
progressive Silicon Valley, we had that nonsense. I can remember all
the incredibly lame mid/mgt nonsense that went on. Team building,
monthly meetings (the whole division!), PowerPoint presentations,
weekly dept meetings, sig-sigma, mission statements*, etc. What
hogwash!

I didn't hafta retire and I tried not to, but after the third
retraining effort and subsequent crash, I jes gave up and retired at
53. I shoulda retrained in investments, cuz I eventually lost my nest
egg. But, a higher calling, my mom, prevailed and I'm now where I am.
In fact, I'm currently picking around for a supplementary income, so
am not above working, again.

Life .....one step at a time.


*Scott Adams, author of Dilbert, pulled the ultimate "mission
statement" expose:

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/nov/16/news/mn-54489

There's now mulitple "mission statement" generators on the web. I
can't look!


nb

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-02-07 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> envious of you guys.
>
> You should be. It beats the hell out of working.
>
But it depends on your occupation. I'm still working years after the normal
retirement age, in fact yesterday I signed a 2-year contract with a major
company. The projects are interesting and the interaction with the clients
is always stimulating.
I really don't see any point in retiring yet. Most of my uncles retired at
~80!
Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-02-07 10:15 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>>> envious of you guys.
>>
>> You should be. It beats the hell out of working.
>>
> But it depends on your occupation. I'm still working years after the
> normal retirement age, in fact yesterday I signed a 2-year contract with a
> major company. The projects are interesting and the interaction with the
> clients is always stimulating.
> I really don't see any point in retiring yet. Most of my uncles retired at
> ~80!

You are just a workaholic

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2014-02-08, graham > wrote:

> retirement age, in fact yesterday I signed a 2-year contract with a major
> company. The projects are interesting and the interaction with the clients
> is always stimulating.

Seems to me there are two kindsa ppl. Those that gain benefit from
someone else and those who don't.

I have never derived any benefit from working for someone else, other
than plain ol' survival grade "mo-nay!". If I never work another
day (as in "job") in my life, fine by me. I'm not against doing it if
need be, but given a choice...... sheeeeei.....!

nb

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > PS - do you use that UK mushroom ketchup often or at all? I'll find it
> > somewhere someday and try it. I guess I could order some online but I
> > rarely do that.
>
> I don't make it because I can buy it in the shops. I use it as seasoning
> the same way I use Worcester sauce.
>
> If you want to make it I will post a recipe?

Please do, O. I googled it and see many different recipes but I would
rather hear from you with an authentic UK recipe.

G.

On 2014-02-08 5:13 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-02-08, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> Management sure liked to listen to themselves talk! Talk about how we
>> could do our jobs better. How about you let us go back to our desks and
>> *do* our jobs?
>>
>> Don't get me started on the stupid "teambuilding" exercises...
>
> LOL!!..... oh, the memories.
>
> Wasn't it all so stupid? Middle mgt is the biggest waste/drain on
> corporate structure of all time. Astonishingly, it was identified as
> such way back in the 1970 in the brilliant book, Up the Organization
> by Peter Townsend.

We went through a major restructuring at work that saw every second
level of management removed. We were in a branch office and had an area
supervisor. There was another area supervisor in the district office
for the crew there. He reported to the district supervisor who reported
to the district manager... all in the same building. The district
manager reported to the regional manager. They stripped out the area
supervisors and district managers.

Later on they converted us to self directed work teams. Theory was that
middle management was waste space, that they did more to impede
productivity than to improve it. We went to a number of sessions to
learn about the new system and how it was to be implemented. It was
working great... we thought... but the middle management that was left
fought it tooth and nail. They saw themselves loosing power.

Over the next few years front line staff numbers fell through attrition,
but more management jobs opened up in the head office.





>
>
> I didn't hafta retire and I tried not to, but after the third
> retraining effort and subsequent crash, I jes gave up and retired at
> 53. I shoulda retrained in investments, cuz I eventually lost my nest
> egg. But, a higher calling, my mom, prevailed and I'm now where I am.
> In fact, I'm currently picking around for a supplementary income, so
> am not above working, again.

Working for the government has some advantages. It also helps to have a
good union. The current mindset seems to think that all civil servants
are inherently lazy and useless and the government wanted to get rid of
a bunch of us and privatize the work. We were save in the enforcement
branch because that is too hard to contract out, but the deal for others
to retire early applied to us. I opted to take the early retirement
package at 53. I liked my job and my son was still in university but I
had a 6 month window to take it. If I didn't go I would not have the
opportunity for another 5 years.... so I took it. I never looked back.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>> > PS - do you use that UK mushroom ketchup often or at all? I'll find it
>> > somewhere someday and try it. I guess I could order some online but I
>> > rarely do that.
>>
>> I don't make it because I can buy it in the shops. I use it as
>> seasoning
>> the same way I use Worcester sauce.
>>
>> If you want to make it I will post a recipe?
>
> Please do, O. I googled it and see many different recipes but I would
> rather hear from you with an authentic UK recipe.

This is a good one with good instructions. "It's from The Art of Cookery,
Made Plain and Easy, by Hannah Glasse (1747)"

http://historiccookery.com/tag/mushroom-catchupketchup/

If you make it do report back

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2014-02-09, Dave Smith > wrote:

> but more management jobs opened up in the head office.

I have theory about mdl mgt. See, upr mgt doesn't wanna hafta deal
with the common worker, cuz when upr mgt comes out to the production
area and asks a question, like "What's that?", the everyday working
stiff is likely to reply, "It's a screwdriver, ya' ignorant git!".
Upr mgt doen't like it when that happens. They wanna paper report
with charts and graphs and where a simple answer is couched in a lotta
nonsensical horsepucky, like, "What we have here is a hand driven
device for applying mechanical force to metal fasteners yada
yada......". Hence, middle management is needed to provide an
insulating layer between the upper elite and the poor working slob
down in the trenches. Simple, eh?

nb

On 2/8/2014 5:13 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-02-08, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>>
>> Don't get me started on the stupid "teambuilding" exercises...
>
> LOL!!..... oh, the memories.
>
> Wasn't it all so stupid? Middle mgt is the biggest waste/drain on
> corporate structure of all time. Astonishingly, it was identified as
> such way back in the 1970 in the brilliant book, Up the Organization
> by Peter Townsend.
>
> It was another 20 yrs before I actually experienced the fact that it
> was still alive and well and flourishing, Even in enlightened and
> progressive Silicon Valley, we had that nonsense. I can remember all
> the incredibly lame mid/mgt nonsense that went on. Team building,
> monthly meetings (the whole division!), PowerPoint presentations,
> weekly dept meetings, sig-sigma, mission statements*, etc. What
> hogwash!
>
It was all a major waste of time. And yes, they hired "consultants" to
plan the teambuilding exercises. Of course this was supposed to make us
work better together and be more productive. They never saw the irony:
you can't be productive if the entire "team" is stuck doing
"teambuilding" exercises rather than working.

I remember one departmental teambuilding thing: popcorn and a movie in
one of the conference rooms. Really? How's that supposed to help? (Of
course the movie *was* fun - 'Office Space'.)

When we had any kind of meeting someone had to carry the department
pager in case there was a critical software problem. Guess who
volunteered most often to have the pager? I'd much rather deal with a
database crash than sit and listen to the managers spouting nonsense.

> *Scott Adams, author of Dilbert, pulled the ultimate "mission
> statement" expose:
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/1997/nov/16/news/mn-54489
>
> nb
>
That's more fun than 'Undercover Boss'.

Jill

On 2/9/2014 10:19 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-02-09, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> but more management jobs opened up in the head office.
>
> I have theory about mdl mgt. See, upr mgt doesn't wanna hafta deal
> with the common worker, cuz when upr mgt comes out to the production
> area and asks a question, like "What's that?", the everyday working
> stiff is likely to reply, "It's a screwdriver, ya' ignorant git!".
> Upr mgt doen't like it when that happens. They wanna paper report
> with charts and graphs and where a simple answer is couched in a lotta
> nonsensical horsepucky, like, "What we have here is a hand driven
> device for applying mechanical force to metal fasteners yada
> yada......". Hence, middle management is needed to provide an
> insulating layer between the upper elite and the poor working slob
> down in the trenches. Simple, eh?
>
> nb
>
And quite plausible! Most of the upper eschalon was clueless about what
each department in IT actually did. They hired middle managers and
supervisors (usually equally clueless) to deal with us.

I recall one time a wanna-be, thought-she-was, upper-management type
freaked out because her email was down. (I was on the early shift, the
only one in my dept. at that time of the morning). I said yes,
everyone's email is down. One of the servers crashed. Well DO
something about it!

What the heck did she expect me to do? Get out a tool-kit and repair
the server?! The department I worked in didn't do *that* kind of tech
support. I didn't even have access to the mail servers. But you don't
*dare* tell a manager it's not your job, even when it isn't. It's
ridiculous.

Shortly after *she* implemented the RIF's in the IT departments she was
in charge of (which was in itself a joke since she was definitely no
techie), she got RIF'd herself. The REAL upper management people
finally realized she'd let all of the most experienced staff go. Gee,
how sad she never got that big corner office! LOL

Jill

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:14:34 -0600, Janet Wilder wrote:

> On 2/8/2014 10:36 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:27:45 -0600, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>
>>> I want to retire FROM cooking.
>>
>> Not a chance...
>>
>>
> When I want a respite from cooking, I go on a cruise. Got one coming up
> very soon.

Lucky girl. Enjoy!

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:14:34 AM UTC-6, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 2/8/2014 10:36 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:27:45 -0600, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I want to retire FROM cooking.
>
> >
>
> > Not a chance...
>
> >
>
>
>
> When I want a respite from cooking, I go on a cruise. Got one coming up
>
> very soon.
>
There are two things that I never tire of, and one is cooking. Oh, three
if I count drinking beer.
>
> Janet Wilder

--B