I like a glass of orange juice at breakfast and what I drink is usually
called "original, no pulp". There is always some sediment in the bottle
and you are encouraged to "shake well". I recently read that some
"medical experts" have proclaimed that OJ contains just as much sugar as
a similar amount of coke and is equally bad for you and can't be counted
as a fruit equivalent. Well, the OJ I drink does not admit to anything
but orange juice in its composition so those experts would say that you
somehow turn fruit into non-fruit by squeezing it.

I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
two fruit equivalents in my opinion.
--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 2/10/2014 11:10 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> I like a glass of orange juice at breakfast and what I drink is usually
> called "original, no pulp". There is always some sediment in the bottle
> and you are encouraged to "shake well". I recently read that some
> "medical experts" have proclaimed that OJ contains just as much sugar as
> a similar amount of coke and is equally bad for you and can't be counted
> as a fruit equivalent. Well, the OJ I drink does not admit to anything
> but orange juice in its composition so those experts would say that you
> somehow turn fruit into non-fruit by squeezing it.
>
> I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
> labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
> but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
> should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
> two fruit equivalents in my opinion.

I suppose it depends on the product. I see advertisements for 'Sunny
Delight.' According to their website it's "a refreshing fruit-flavored
beverage". It may *look* like orange juice but it obviously isn't
orange juice.

Jim, if you're buying 100% orange juice, pulp or no pulp, I would just
enjoy it.

Jill

On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:17:42 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/10/2014 11:10 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I like a glass of orange juice at breakfast and what I drink is usually
>
> > called "original, no pulp". There is always some sediment in the bottle
>
> > and you are encouraged to "shake well". I recently read that some
>
> > "medical experts" have proclaimed that OJ contains just as much sugar as
>
> > a similar amount of coke and is equally bad for you and can't be counted
>
> > as a fruit equivalent. Well, the OJ I drink does not admit to anything
>
> > but orange juice in its composition so those experts would say that you
>
> > somehow turn fruit into non-fruit by squeezing it.
>
> >
>
> > I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
>
> > labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
>
> > but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
>
> > should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
>
> > two fruit equivalents in my opinion.
>
When you juice the orange, you increase it's glycemic index. The sugar goes
into your bloodstream faster. I squeeze it for my very thin son, and thin
wife, but I don't drink it. I do eat the pulp left in the basket.

If you're drinking that commercial crap, then you have what Sheldon
calls TIAD.
>
> I suppose it depends on the product. I see advertisements for 'Sunny
>
> Delight.' According to their website it's "a refreshing fruit-flavored
>
> beverage". It may *look* like orange juice but it obviously isn't
>
> orange juice.
>
People who buy their kids Sunny D should be sterilized.
>
> Jim, if you're buying 100% orange juice, pulp or no pulp, I would just
>
> enjoy it.
>
Assuming he's not overweight. My son's pediatrician tells parents that
they should not give children juice, but only whole fruits. Juice is
partly responsible for kids become butterballs like Julie's daughter,
who, like dear old mom, will probably end up diabetic.
>
> Jill

--B

On 10/02/2014 16:43, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:17:42 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/10/2014 11:10 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I like a glass of orange juice at breakfast and what I drink is usually
>>
>>> called "original, no pulp". There is always some sediment in the bottle
>>
>>> and you are encouraged to "shake well". I recently read that some
>>
>>> "medical experts" have proclaimed that OJ contains just as much sugar as
>>
>>> a similar amount of coke and is equally bad for you and can't be counted
>>
>>> as a fruit equivalent. Well, the OJ I drink does not admit to anything
>>
>>> but orange juice in its composition so those experts would say that you
>>
>>> somehow turn fruit into non-fruit by squeezing it.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
>>
>>> labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
>>
>>> but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
>>
>>> should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
>>
>>> two fruit equivalents in my opinion.
>>
> When you juice the orange, you increase it's glycemic index. The sugar goes
> into your bloodstream faster. I squeeze it for my very thin son, and thin
> wife, but I don't drink it. I do eat the pulp left in the basket.
>
> If you're drinking that commercial crap, then you have what Sheldon
> calls TIAD.
>>
>> I suppose it depends on the product. I see advertisements for 'Sunny
>>
>> Delight.' According to their website it's "a refreshing fruit-flavored
>>
>> beverage". It may *look* like orange juice but it obviously isn't
>>
>> orange juice.
>>
> People who buy their kids Sunny D should be sterilized.
>>
>> Jim, if you're buying 100% orange juice, pulp or no pulp, I would just
>>
>> enjoy it.
>>
> Assuming he's not overweight. My son's pediatrician tells parents that
> they should not give children juice, but only whole fruits. Juice is
> partly responsible for kids become butterballs like Julie's daughter,
> who, like dear old mom, will probably end up diabetic.
>>
>> Jill
>
> --B
>
There was a programme on British TV recently, 2 doctors Identical twins,
one from UK the other the USA eat and drank varied diets. The result was
that orange juice is not good, unless it has the pulp.

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:17:42 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/10/2014 11:10 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I like a glass of orange juice at breakfast and what I drink is usually
>>
>> > called "original, no pulp". There is always some sediment in the bottle
>>
>> > and you are encouraged to "shake well". I recently read that some
>>
>> > "medical experts" have proclaimed that OJ contains just as much sugar
>> > as
>>
>> > a similar amount of coke and is equally bad for you and can't be
>> > counted
>>
>> > as a fruit equivalent. Well, the OJ I drink does not admit to anything
>>
>> > but orange juice in its composition so those experts would say that you
>>
>> > somehow turn fruit into non-fruit by squeezing it.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
>>
>> > labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
>>
>> > but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast.
>> > I
>>
>> > should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
>>
>> > two fruit equivalents in my opinion.
>>
> When you juice the orange, you increase it's glycemic index. The sugar
> goes
> into your bloodstream faster. I squeeze it for my very thin son, and thin
> wife, but I don't drink it. I do eat the pulp left in the basket.
>
> If you're drinking that commercial crap, then you have what Sheldon
> calls TIAD.
>>
>> I suppose it depends on the product. I see advertisements for 'Sunny
>>
>> Delight.' According to their website it's "a refreshing fruit-flavored
>>
>> beverage". It may *look* like orange juice but it obviously isn't
>>
>> orange juice.
>>
> People who buy their kids Sunny D should be sterilized.
>>
>> Jim, if you're buying 100% orange juice, pulp or no pulp, I would just
>>
>> enjoy it.
>>
> Assuming he's not overweight. My son's pediatrician tells parents that
> they should not give children juice, but only whole fruits. Juice is
> partly responsible for kids become butterballs like Julie's daughter,
> who, like dear old mom, will probably end up diabetic.

Wrong Bryan! I am very much anti-juice and always have been. Angela's Drs.
have all said she could have one serving of juice per day when she was
younger. One serving being 3-4 ounces, depending on her age. Only 100%
real juice. Could have. Not had to have. And she usually didn't have.

I don't personally think that fruit juice is a good thing for anyone to
have. This is one thing I used to argue with my MIL about and now my
husband. She was big on juice and because she was big on it, he is big on
it. He wanted to buy a juicer. I put my foot down on that!

Now I do use vegetable juice on occasion in soup. But I don't even think
that vegetable juice is a good thing to consume a lot of either. Unless you
have some sort of medical problem and are unable to eat solid food. But if
I had to choose between the two it would be vegetable.

I do buy Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry and also Diet V8 Splash. We don't drink
these things on a regular basis and when we do drink them, we drink only
small amounts. Like 3 ounces at a time.

On 2/10/2014 10:10 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> I like a glass of orange juice at breakfast and what I drink is usually
> called "original, no pulp". There is always some sediment in the bottle
> and you are encouraged to "shake well". I recently read that some
> "medical experts" have proclaimed that OJ contains just as much sugar as
> a similar amount of coke and is equally bad for you and can't be counted
> as a fruit equivalent. Well, the OJ I drink does not admit to anything
> but orange juice in its composition so those experts would say that you
> somehow turn fruit into non-fruit by squeezing it.
>
> I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
> labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
> but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
> should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
> two fruit equivalents in my opinion.

Stuff I have read lately says to eat the fruit and not drink the juice.
The juice is, indeed, very high in sugar and there is no benefit from
fiber. Diabetics are told not to drink fruit juice.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

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On 2014-02-10 11:10 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>
>
> I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
> labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
> but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
> should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
> two fruit equivalents in my opinion.


FWIW... my cardiac dietitian recommended fruit..... NOT JUICE. I
imagine that you are getting some vital nutrients in the juice, but most
of them have so much sugar added to them that the sugar does more harm
than the good things do good. I don't understand why freshly squeezed
orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as an
orange.

I love cranberry juice, but it is very high in sugar. I tried the
straight cranberry juice. Holy cow! That stuff is not for the faint of
heart.

I suppose that juice is better than no fruit at all, but commercial
juices have to be thought of on the same terms as sweetened soft drinks.

I find it a little frustrating that labelling laws allowed juice
products to be sold as "pure" when they have things added to them,
especially when it involves sugar and colouring.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 2:28:19 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
> I love cranberry juice, but it is very high in sugar. I tried the
>
> straight cranberry juice. Holy cow! That stuff is not for the faint of
>
> heart.
>
5 oz 100% cranberry juice
12 oz water
pure sucralose to taste
serve over ice, with optional added vodka

50 grams would probably last you years.
http://www.amazon.com/BulkSupplement...dp/B00CCXMBF0/

--B

On 2/10/2014 3:28 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-02-10 11:10 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>
>> I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
>> labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
>> but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
>> should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
>> two fruit equivalents in my opinion.
>
>
> FWIW... my cardiac dietitian recommended fruit..... NOT JUICE. I
> imagine that you are getting some vital nutrients in the juice, but most
> of them have so much sugar added to them that the sugar does more harm
> than the good things do good. I don't understand why freshly squeezed
> orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as an
> orange.
>
> I love cranberry juice, but it is very high in sugar. I tried the
> straight cranberry juice. Holy cow! That stuff is not for the faint of
> heart.
>
> I suppose that juice is better than no fruit at all, but commercial
> juices have to be thought of on the same terms as sweetened soft drinks.
>
> I find it a little frustrating that labelling laws allowed juice
> products to be sold as "pure" when they have things added to them,
> especially when it involves sugar and colouring.
>
Sugar or HFCS is *not* added to better grades of orange juice and the
amount of fiber is negligible as it is in a regular orange,

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:47:22 -0500, James Silverton
> wrote:

> Sugar or HFCS is *not* added to better grades of orange juice and the
> amount of fiber is negligible as it is in a regular orange,

What brands are you talking about?


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 2/10/2014 6:02 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:47:22 -0500, James Silverton
> > wrote:
>
>> Sugar or HFCS is *not* added to better grades of orange juice and the
>> amount of fiber is negligible as it is in a regular orange,
>
> What brands are you talking about?
>
>
Just offhand; Tropicana, Giant and "Florida's Natural" all claim not to
be made from concentrate or have added sugars.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 2/10/2014 6:20 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 2/10/2014 6:02 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:47:22 -0500, James Silverton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Sugar or HFCS is *not* added to better grades of orange juice and the
>>> amount of fiber is negligible as it is in a regular orange,
>>
>> What brands are you talking about?
>>
>>
> Just offhand; Tropicana, Giant and "Florida's Natural" all claim not to
> be made from concentrate or have added sugars.
>

Just one statistic; I bought some Florida's Gold, Original with pulp. I
don't like the mouth feel and it will be my last "with pulp".

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:28:19 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:



> FWIW... my cardiac dietitian recommended fruit..... NOT JUICE. I
> imagine that you are getting some vital nutrients in the juice, but most
> of them have so much sugar added to them that the sugar does more harm
> than the good things do good. I don't understand why freshly squeezed
> orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as an
> orange.

Me neither. We often buy fresh oranges and use our electric gizmo to
squeeze the juice.... No sugar, nothing else added to it - just juice.
Dunno, maybe s/he just assumed that you wouldn't make your own (genuine)
pure fruit juices at home?

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On 2/10/2014 10:31 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:28:19 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
>> I don't understand why freshly squeezed
>> orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as an
>> orange.
>
> Me neither. We often buy fresh oranges and use our electric gizmo to
> squeeze the juice.... No sugar, nothing else added to it - just juice.
> Dunno, maybe s/he just assumed that you wouldn't make your own (genuine)
> pure fruit juices at home?
>
Not squeezing fresh fruit for juice doesn't make any sense to me, either.

Many people who replied to Jim jumped right into the "diabetic
discussion". Breaking News: Not everyone is diabetic. Jim
specifically stated in a subsequent reply he is not diabetic.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 2/10/2014 10:31 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:28:19 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
>> I don't understand why freshly squeezed
>> orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as an
>> orange.
>
> Me neither. We often buy fresh oranges and use our electric gizmo to
> squeeze the juice.... No sugar, nothing else added to it - just juice.
> Dunno, maybe s/he just assumed that you wouldn't make your own (genuine)
> pure fruit juices at home?
>
Not squeezing fresh fruit for juice doesn't make any sense to me, either.

Many people who replied to Jim jumped right into the "diabetic
discussion". Breaking News: Not everyone is diabetic. Jim
specifically stated in a subsequent reply he is not diabetic.

Jill

~~~~~~~~~
That's true. On the other hand, I was not diabetic during the years when I
was drinking orange juice for breakfast every day. It was after I was
diagnosed as a diabetic that I learned that what I had considered part of a
"healthy" breakfast was actually one of the worst things I could have done.
That's why I immediately jumped into the diabetic discussion. I would like
to help others to avoid the same fate.

MaryL

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> On 2/10/2014 10:31 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:28:19 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't understand why freshly squeezed
>>> orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as an
>>> orange.
>>
>> Me neither. We often buy fresh oranges and use our electric gizmo to
>> squeeze the juice.... No sugar, nothing else added to it - just juice.
>> Dunno, maybe s/he just assumed that you wouldn't make your own (genuine)
>> pure fruit juices at home?
>>
> Not squeezing fresh fruit for juice doesn't make any sense to me, either.
>
> Many people who replied to Jim jumped right into the "diabetic
> discussion". Breaking News: Not everyone is diabetic. Jim
> specifically stated in a subsequent reply he is not diabetic.
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~~~~
> That's true. On the other hand, I was not diabetic during the years when
> I was drinking orange juice for breakfast every day. It was after I was
> diagnosed as a diabetic that I learned that what I had considered part of
> a "healthy" breakfast was actually one of the worst things I could have
> done. That's why I immediately jumped into the diabetic discussion. I
> would like to help others to avoid the same fate.
>
> MaryL

I never understood why people would think that juice was healthy!

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:50:24 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2014 10:31 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:28:19 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't understand why freshly squeezed
>>> orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as an
>>> orange.
>>
>> Me neither. We often buy fresh oranges and use our electric gizmo to
>> squeeze the juice.... No sugar, nothing else added to it - just juice.
>> Dunno, maybe s/he just assumed that you wouldn't make your own (genuine)
>> pure fruit juices at home?
>>
>Not squeezing fresh fruit for juice doesn't make any sense to me, either.

Squeezing fresh citrus for juice is what makes no sense to me, why
ruin perfectly good citrus... just peel and eat... much more healthful
and delicious that way too.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:50:24 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 2/10/2014 10:31 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:28:19 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't understand why freshly squeezed
>>>> orange juice would not provide close to the same nutritional value as
>>>> an
>>>> orange.
>>>
>>> Me neither. We often buy fresh oranges and use our electric gizmo to
>>> squeeze the juice.... No sugar, nothing else added to it - just juice.
>>> Dunno, maybe s/he just assumed that you wouldn't make your own (genuine)
>>> pure fruit juices at home?
>>>
>>Not squeezing fresh fruit for juice doesn't make any sense to me, either.
>
> Squeezing fresh citrus for juice is what makes no sense to me, why
> ruin perfectly good citrus... just peel and eat... much more healthful
> and delicious that way too.

Makes no sense to me either. Perhaps it dates back to when they couldn't
drink water?

James Silverton wrote:
>
> I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
> labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
> but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
> should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
> two fruit equivalents in my opinion.

I wouldn't worry about all that nonsense. Just drink your glass of OJ
of choice each morning. I have an 8oz glass once a day. It tastes good
and the vitamen C is good for you.

G.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:37:22 PM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> James Silverton wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I admit that there is no fiber content indicated and I wonder if OJ
>
> > labelled "some pulp" might be better. I must look at the labels again
>
> > but I intend to keep drinking my glass of orange juice with breakfast. I
>
> > should note that I always have half a grapefruit too and I am getting
>
> > two fruit equivalents in my opinion.
>
>
>
> I wouldn't worry about all that nonsense. Just drink your glass of OJ
>
> of choice each morning. I have an 8oz glass once a day. It tastes good
>
> and the vitamen C is good for you.
>
Freshly squeezed OJ tastes good, but the vitamin C in pill form is just as
"good for you" as that derived from sugar-laden fruit juice.
>
> G.

--B