And, thank goodness, no one suggests that kids somehow need to go to a restaurant in order to learn not to run, scream, or throw food when the kids still "can't" learn to follow those rules at home!


http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle...f7N/story.html

Two comments so far:

fattony333302/19/14 08:24 AM
"I'll add one more suggestion: Tip more generously than usual! Your kid ate a $7 appetizer, no alcohol, and was a bigger pain/effort than most customers. You can't just tip 20%."


DMaximus02/19/14 10:44 AM
"You left out the most important thing - limit the length of the meal. This means that the adults should be ready to order when they arrive. All restaurants have online menus and there is no reason to spend time wasting limited attention span staring at a menu. Similarly, don't linger over a drink and then order. Do that when you're alone. And NEVER send the waiter ready to take your order away, saying that you need more time. I'm sure your kids don't.

"Interestingly I was at a restaurant once when the family at the next table violated every single one of these time-savers. Yep, it ended in a meltdown."


Lenona.

On 2014-02-19 1:00 PM, wrote:
> And, thank goodness, no one suggests that kids somehow need to go to
> a restaurant in order to learn not to run, scream, or throw food when
> the kids still "can't" learn to follow those rules at home!
>
>
> http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle...f7N/story.html
>
> Two comments so far:
>
> fattony333302/19/14 08:24 AM "I'll add one more suggestion: Tip more
> generously than usual! Your kid ate a $7 appetizer, no alcohol, and
> was a bigger pain/effort than most customers. You can't just tip
> 20%."
>
>
> DMaximus02/19/14 10:44 AM "You left out the most important thing -
> limit the length of the meal. This means that the adults should be
> ready to order when they arrive. All restaurants have online menus
> and there is no reason to spend time wasting limited attention span
> staring at a menu. Similarly, don't linger over a drink and then
> order. Do that when you're alone. And NEVER send the waiter ready
> to take your order away, saying that you need more time. I'm sure
> your kids don't.
>

One problem with the article is that they seem to be suggesting that a
restaurant is a training ground for possible unruly kids. Please try to
train them at a noisy kid oriented place like the golden arches. I
don't want my dinner in a nice restaurant to be overwhelmed by the noise
of kids at a nearby table. If a kid has to be taken for a walk to keep
it occupied, maybe it is not time to take it to a restaurant.

At any rate.... keep in mind that there are "family restaurants". Take
you kids to those places and leave the better places for people who are
spending extra in order not to have to deal other people's kids. People
who hire a baby sitter to watch their kids while they go out for dinner
don't do it so they can watch other people's kids acting up.





> "Interestingly I was at a restaurant once when the family at the next
> table violated every single one of these time-savers. Yep, it ended
> in a meltdown."

My wife were in a place a couple months ago where there was a family of
parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak who
didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles. Mom
looked like a stripper. The off spring spent most of their time on their
cell phones or texting. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork.
Their elbows were propping their heads up just enough for that short
scoop from plate to mouth.

On 2/19/2014 3:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-02-19 1:00 PM, wrote:
>> And, thank goodness, no one suggests that kids somehow need to go to
>> a restaurant in order to learn not to run, scream, or throw food when
>> the kids still "can't" learn to follow those rules at home!
>>
>>
>> http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle...f7N/story.html
>>
>>
> One problem with the article is that they seem to be suggesting that a
> restaurant is a training ground for possible unruly kids. Please try to
> train them at a noisy kid oriented place like the golden arches. I
> don't want my dinner in a nice restaurant to be overwhelmed by the noise
> of kids at a nearby table. If a kid has to be taken for a walk to keep
> it occupied, maybe it is not time to take it to a restaurant.
>
> At any rate.... keep in mind that there are "family restaurants". Take
> you kids to those places and leave the better places for people who are
> spending extra in order not to have to deal other people's kids. People
> who hire a baby sitter to watch their kids while they go out for dinner
> don't do it so they can watch other people's kids acting up.
>
Absolutely. Find a sitter, or take them to "Golden Corral" or some
other "family friendly" place. Restaurants aren't training grounds.

Jill

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:33:35 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> Find a sitter, or take them to "Golden Corral" or some
> other "family friendly" place. Restaurants aren't training grounds.

I posted it to FB and one of my child-free friends replied: Once when
in Switzerland, we went to a 5 star restaurant, was so good we went
back... in comes Swiss parents with 3 kids, one age 3, one age 5 and a
baby.... NEVER HEARD A PEEP out of those children.... and I was ready
to bolt!

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 2014-02-19 6:56 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:33:35 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Find a sitter, or take them to "Golden Corral" or some
>> other "family friendly" place. Restaurants aren't training grounds.
>
> I posted it to FB and one of my child-free friends replied: Once when
> in Switzerland, we went to a 5 star restaurant, was so good we went
> back... in comes Swiss parents with 3 kids, one age 3, one age 5 and a
> baby.... NEVER HEARD A PEEP out of those children.... and I was ready
> to bolt!


I was once in hotel bar in Switzerland and getting a kick out of the
characters at the next table. It looked like the cast from Heidi. We had
been there for about an hour before a dog fight broke out at their
table. It turned out that there had been a Dachshund and a St.Bernard
under the table. I had no idea that they were even there until the fight
broke out. It only last a few seconds and then everything returned to
normal.

FWIW... it was in Walter Mitters Hotel in Gimmelward. It was about 10
years later that it was featured in Ricks Steves show.

On 2/19/2014 6:56 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:33:35 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Find a sitter, or take them to "Golden Corral" or some
>> other "family friendly" place. Restaurants aren't training grounds.
>
> I posted it to FB and one of my child-free friends replied: Once when
> in Switzerland, we went to a 5 star restaurant, was so good we went
> back... in comes Swiss parents with 3 kids, one age 3, one age 5 and a
> baby.... NEVER HEARD A PEEP out of those children.... and I was ready
> to bolt!
>
I have no problem with children in restaurants. It's only the ones
allowed to run rampant that bother me. Actually, their parents bother
me. There seem to be particular types of restaurants some people take
"family friendly" to extremes.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2014 6:56 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:33:35 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Find a sitter, or take them to "Golden Corral" or some
>>> other "family friendly" place. Restaurants aren't training grounds.
>>
>> I posted it to FB and one of my child-free friends replied: Once when
>> in Switzerland, we went to a 5 star restaurant, was so good we went
>> back... in comes Swiss parents with 3 kids, one age 3, one age 5 and a
>> baby.... NEVER HEARD A PEEP out of those children.... and I was ready
>> to bolt!
>>
> I have no problem with children in restaurants. It's only the ones
> allowed to run rampant that bother me. Actually, their parents bother me.
> There seem to be particular types of restaurants some people take "family
> friendly" to extremes.
>
I occasionally take my grandchildren to family restaurants and the waiters
are always impressed by their politeness. It's always: "Please may I
have....." and "Thankyou". They are being brung up proper!
Kids at other tables are almost invariably animals!
Graham

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> My wife were in a place a couple months ago where there was a family of
> parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak who
> didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles. Mom
> looked like a stripper. The off spring spent most of their time on their
> cell phones or texting. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork.
> Their elbows were propping their heads up just enough for that short scoop
> from plate to mouth.
>
I bet they were all chewing with their mouths open too!
Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> My wife were in a place a couple months ago where there was a family of
>> parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak who
>> didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles. Mom
>> looked like a stripper. The off spring spent most of their time on their
>> cell phones or texting. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork.
>> Their elbows were propping their heads up just enough for that short
>> scoop from plate to mouth.
>>
> I bet they were all chewing with their mouths open too!
> Graham
I took my grandchildren out for a meal last night and, as usual, they were
perfectly behaved and polite to the waitress and I told them that as a
result, I could take them anywhere.
However, at a nearby table there was a teenaged girl dining with her
parents. She chewed everything with her mouth open (no she didn't have a
cold) and her parents were not much better. What a disgusting sight!
Graham

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-02-19 1:00 PM, wrote:
>>>
> My wife were in a place a couple months ago where there was a family of
> parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak who
> didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles. Mom
> looked like a stripper. The off spring spent most of their time on their
> cell phones or texting. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork.
> Their elbows were propping their heads up just enough for that short scoop
> from plate to mouth.
>
I dined with a friend at the Calgary airport hotel. There was a family at a
nearby table with a couple of well-behaved children. They asked for the bill
and we heard the waiter tell them that someone was so impressed that he had
paid their bill for them.
They were dumbstruck!
Graham

On 2014-02-19 9:05 PM, graham wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-02-19 1:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>> My wife were in a place a couple months ago where there was a family of
>> parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak who
>> didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles. Mom
>> looked like a stripper. The off spring spent most of their time on their
>> cell phones or texting. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork.
>> Their elbows were propping their heads up just enough for that short scoop
>> from plate to mouth.
>>
> I dined with a friend at the Calgary airport hotel. There was a family at a
> nearby table with a couple of well-behaved children. They asked for the bill
> and we heard the waiter tell them that someone was so impressed that he had
> paid their bill for them.
> They were dumbstruck!
>


I would read that as an indication that they guy has seen too many cases
of badly behaved kids in restaurants. Don't get me wrong. I have seen
well behaved kids in restaurants. I have also been in restaurants where
kids were running around and acting up. A two year old having a temper
tantrum should be in his room having a nap, not in a nice restaurant.
Kids in airport restaurants are obviously travelling so they don't have
options.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:47:19 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

> Please try to
>
> train them at a noisy kid oriented place like the golden arches. I
>
> don't want my dinner in a nice restaurant to be overwhelmed by the noise
>
> of kids at a nearby table. If a kid has to be taken for a walk to keep
>
> it occupied, maybe it is not time to take it to a restaurant.


Actually, when you think about it, any kid that supposedly can't avoid running or screaming indoors should not even go to McDonald's, simply because one never knows when some frail customer, elderly or not, might come in and get knocked over - or when someone with a migraine who HAS to get a bite right now might come in. It's just common courtesy.


> At any rate.... keep in mind that there are "family restaurants". Take
>
> you kids to those places and leave the better places for people who are
>
> spending extra in order not to have to deal other people's kids. People
>
> who hire a baby sitter to watch their kids while they go out for dinner
>
> don't do it so they can watch other people's kids acting up.


Exactly. An awful lot of embittered parents seem to think that only childfree folk don't want to have to put up with other customers' kids' running and screaming. They can't grasp that plenty of PARENTS want a quiet evening out too - so the latter hire sitters and look for a place that usually IS quiet. Until some clueless parent with kids comes in and ruins that.


Lenona.

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:15:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:

>
> Exactly. An awful lot of embittered parents seem to think that only childfree folk don't want to have to put up with other customers' kids' running and screaming. They can't grasp that plenty of PARENTS want a quiet evening out too - so the latter hire sitters and look for a place that usually IS quiet. Until some clueless parent with kids comes in and ruins that.
>

As a parent, seconded. There are places that I would never bring my kids to, even though they have been taught how to behave. Mr. Raven and I went to a place one evening for our anniversary, one of those $50 a plate churrascarias. Quiet, everyone dressed nice, right on the water...a romantic place. Until the family of 7 arrived and was sat next to us. There has to be SOME common sense utilized in these situations.

On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:42:32 -0800 (PST), ravenlynne
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:15:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
>>
>> Exactly. An awful lot of embittered parents seem to think that only childfree folk don't want to have to put up with other customers' kids' running and screaming. They can't grasp that plenty of PARENTS want a quiet evening out too - so the latter hire sitters and look for a place that usually IS quiet. Until some clueless parent with kids comes in and ruins that.
>>
>
>As a parent, seconded. There are places that I would never bring my kids 'to',
even though they have been taught how to behave. Mr. Raven and I
went to a place one evening for our anniversary, one of those $50 a
plate churrascarias. Quiet, everyone dressed nice, right on the
water...a romantic place. Until the family of 7 arrived and was sat
next to us. There has to be SOME common sense utilized in these
situations.

That's easy, ask to be seated elsewhere... if your request is denied
then it's time to immediately get up and leave, and never return. I
wouldn't pay either, if they bitched I'd tell then to put it on the
interloper's tab. What you described as a quiet romantic place is
not, it's obviously a ********. Of course saying a family of seven is
meaningless, they could all be adults... and was "sat" next to you
doesn't speak very highly of you, it's was *seated* next to you.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:47:19 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
> My wife were in a place a couple months ago where there was a family of
>
> parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak who
>
> didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles. Mom
>
> looked like a stripper.

What is "looked like a stripper"?

--B

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:47:19 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-02-19 1:00 PM, wrote:
>
> > And, thank goodness, no one suggests that kids somehow need to go to
>
> > a restaurant in order to learn not to run, scream, or throw food when
>
> > the kids still "can't" learn to follow those rules at home!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle...f7N/story.html
>
> >
>
> > Two comments so far:
>
> >
>
> > fattony333302/19/14 08:24 AM "I'll add one more suggestion: Tip more
>
> > generously than usual! Your kid ate a $7 appetizer, no alcohol, and
>
> > was a bigger pain/effort than most customers. You can't just tip
>
> > 20%."
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > DMaximus02/19/14 10:44 AM "You left out the most important thing -
>
> > limit the length of the meal. This means that the adults should be
>
> > ready to order when they arrive. All restaurants have online menus
>
> > and there is no reason to spend time wasting limited attention span
>
> > staring at a menu. Similarly, don't linger over a drink and then
>
> > order. Do that when you're alone. And NEVER send the waiter ready
>
> > to take your order away, saying that you need more time. I'm sure
>
> > your kids don't.
>
> >
>
>
>
> One problem with the article is that they seem to be suggesting that a
>
> restaurant is a training ground for possible unruly kids. Please try to
>
> train them at a noisy kid oriented place like the golden arches. I
>
> don't want my dinner in a nice restaurant to be overwhelmed by the noise
>
> of kids at a nearby table. If a kid has to be taken for a walk to keep
>
> it occupied, maybe it is not time to take it to a restaurant.
>
>
>
> At any rate.... keep in mind that there are "family restaurants". Take
>
> you kids to those places and leave the better places for people who are
>
> spending extra in order not to have to deal other people's kids. People
>
> who hire a baby sitter to watch their kids while they go out for dinner
>
> don't do it so they can watch other people's kids acting up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Interestingly I was at a restaurant once when the family at the next
>
> > table violated every single one of these time-savers. Yep, it ended
>
> > in a meltdown."
>
>
>
> My wife were in a place a couple months ago where there was a family of
>
> parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak who
>
> didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles. Mom
>
> looked like a stripper. The off spring spent most of their time on their
>
> cell phones or texting. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork.
>
> Their elbows were propping their heads up just enough for that short
>
> scoop from plate to mouth.

If they were quiet and paid their bill, then you shouldn't let it bother you. Sounds like YOU had your eyes glued on em for quite a spell to take in all that action.

On 2014-02-20 4:58 PM, Kalmia wrote:

>
>> My wife and I were in a place a couple months ago where there was a
>> family of
>>
>> parents and two late teen - early 20s kids. Dad was a muscle freak
>> who
>>
>> didn't make any moves unless they showed lots of flexing muscles.
>> Mom
>>
>> looked like a stripper. The off spring spent most of their time on
>> their
>>
>> cell phones or texting. None of them knew how to hold a knife and
>> fork.
>>
>> Their elbows were propping their heads up just enough for that
>> short
>>
>> scoop from plate to mouth.
>
> If they were quiet and paid their bill, then you shouldn't let it
> bother you. Sounds like YOU had your eyes glued on em for quite a
> spell to take in all that action.

Don't worry. It didn't bother me enough to ruin my meal. At least they
were quiet. You don't have to have your eyes glued on a table that is
in your line of sight. It is a curious thing that people tend not to
notice good table manners and that some people's manners leave something
to be desired, but this family had some of the worst table manners I
have ever seen.

wrote in message
...

And, thank goodness, no one suggests that kids somehow need to go to a
restaurant in order to learn not to run, scream, or throw food when the kids
still "can't" learn to follow those rules at home!


http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle...f7N/story.html

Two comments so far:

fattony333302/19/14 08:24 AM
"I'll add one more suggestion: Tip more generously than usual! Your kid ate
a $7 appetizer, no alcohol, and was a bigger pain/effort than most
customers. You can't just tip 20%."


DMaximus02/19/14 10:44 AM
"You left out the most important thing - limit the length of the meal. This
means that the adults should be ready to order when they arrive. All
restaurants have online menus and there is no reason to spend time wasting
limited attention span staring at a menu. Similarly, don't linger over a
drink and then order. Do that when you're alone. And NEVER send the waiter
ready to take your order away, saying that you need more time. I'm sure
your kids don't.

"Interestingly I was at a restaurant once when the family at the next table
violated every single one of these time-savers. Yep, it ended in a
meltdown."


Lenona.

~~~~~~~~
I remember many years ago when I was a child. Our family was on vacation,
and we stopped at a diner where they did not have a booth or table that
would comfortably hold all of us. So, my parents asked me to sit at a table
with my younger sister, and the adults sat separately at a booth. My sister
and I ordered hamburgers, and my father told the waitress to let us have hot
fudge sundaes (which was our favorite). Afterward, when we were in the car,
my father told us with great pride that some people had stopped to tell them
what nice children they had. I was a little puzzled because as far as I was
concerned, all we did was sit and talk and eat together. We were really
enjoying ourselves. When I got older, I realized that that was the
point--we sat quietly and enjoyed ourselves as we ate. We did not fight and
did not get up and run around annoying other patrons.

MaryL

In the old days, my frequent script ran like this:

Hostess: "Smoking or non?"
Me: "Non-kid...do you have a quiet corner?"

Ate in a nice place one night - and the kid 2 booths down was SO bad with the incessant screaming, a huge round of applause from the entire roomful of diners broke forth when they were leaving. The adults gave a dirty look but I don't know how they could stand it themselves.

On 2/20/2014 5:06 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> In the old days, my frequent script ran like this:
>
> Hostess: "Smoking or non?"
> Me: "Non-kid...do you have a quiet corner?"
>
> Ate in a nice place one night - and the kid 2 booths down was SO bad with the incessant screaming, a huge round of applause from the entire roomful of diners broke forth when they were leaving. The adults gave a dirty look but I don't know how they could stand it themselves.
>
Because they that was their little *darling* that was screaming! How
*dare* anyone get upset with their cute little tyke?!

Jill

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:56:19 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/20/2014 5:06 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> > In the old days, my frequent script ran like this:
>
> >
>
> > Hostess: "Smoking or non?"
>
> > Me: "Non-kid...do you have a quiet corner?"
>
> >
>
> > Ate in a nice place one night - and the kid 2 booths down was SO bad with the incessant screaming, a huge round of applause from the entire roomful of diners broke forth when they were leaving. The adults gave a dirty look but I don't know how they could stand it themselves.
>
> >
>
> Because they that was their little *darling* that was screaming! How
>
> *dare* anyone get upset with their cute little tyke?!
>
>
>
> Jill

From 2012:

http://thestir.cafemom.com/food_part...30/lzdakIX97os

By Julie Ryan Evans.

First three paragraphs:

"Here we go again with the child-adverse masses out to squelch any sign or sound of youth from their daily lives. Cappy's Pizza in Florida is the latest establishment to jump on the bandwagon by officially banning rowdy kids with a ridiculously patronizing sign right when you walk in the door.

"It reads: 'Parents for the safety and comfort of everyone if you allow your child to run/scream/or misbehave, party will be asked to leave.' Kids are completely banned from the back patio. Talk about giving a parent indigestion before she's even ordered. If I saw a sign like that when I walked into a restaurant -- especially a pizzeria decked out with video games and other stuff that caters to kids -- I'd be walking right back out again.

"It's not that I don't think a restaurant has the right to ask a family to leave if they can't control their kids. I don't want to dine next to unruly ruffians (mine included) either, and I empathize with the business owner who says he's had things broken or stolen by out-of-control kids. On Facebook, owner Scooter Gabel wrote, 'My dining room goes from being a dining room to a bounce house with the arrival of some families.' However, it's the assumption that MOST kids can't be trusted to behave nor can their parents be trusted to handle the situation appropriately that I can't stomach...."

(snip)

Thankfully, most of the commentators had better sense.

Jennifer said on May 14, 2012 at 1:16 PM:
"Then let your kids be the ones who set the good example! Sheesh, do you get insulted by signs instructing you have to wear a shirt and shoes, too?"

And Bubbles said on May 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM:
"You must live on a completely different planet than I do. I'm a single mom to two young, energetic boys and I am always watching them like a hawk when we are out and about, ready to leave abruptly or pull them outside for a 'talking to' should they opt to go rogue and I find that I am the EXCEPTION in my area, NOT the rule. That sign would actually make me sigh a little bit with relief and think, 'at least I won't have to hear "but theeey'reee doing it so why can't we?" ' "


I suspect what makes Julie mad is that to her, it ISN'T like being expected to wear a shirt and shoes - she's thinking: "If my standards include tolerating some prolonged screaming but not running, how DARE any restaurant owner suggest those standards aren't strict enough!"

Lenona.

On 2/21/2014 10:37 AM, wrote:
> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:56:19 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/20/2014 5:06 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>
>>> In the old days, my frequent script ran like this:
>>
>>> Hostess: "Smoking or non?"
>>> Me: "Non-kid...do you have a quiet corner?"
>>
>>> Ate in a nice place one night - and the kid 2 booths down was SO
>>> bad with the incessant screaming, a huge round of applause from the
>>> entire roomful of diners broke forth when they were leaving. The
>>> adults gave a dirty look but I don't know how they could stand it themselves.
>>
>>
>> Because that was their little *darling* that was screaming! How
>> *dare* anyone get upset with their cute little tyke?!
>>
>>
>> Jill
>
> From 2012:
>
> http://thestir.cafemom.com/food_part...30/lzdakIX97os
>
> By Julie Ryan Evans.
>
> First three paragraphs:
>
> "Here we go again with the child-adverse masses out to squelch any sign or
> sound of youth from their daily lives. Cappy's Pizza in Florida is the latest
> establishment to jump on the bandwagon by officially banning rowdy kids with
> a ridiculously patronizing sign right when you walk in the door.
> "It reads: 'Parents for the safety and comfort of everyone if you allow your
> child to run/scream/or misbehave, party will be asked to leave.'
> Kids are completely banned from the back patio. Talk about giving a parent
> indigestion before she's even ordered. If I saw a sign like that when I walked
> into a restaurant -- especially a pizzeria decked out with video games and
> other stuff that caters to kids -- I'd be walking right back out again.
>
(snippety)

I'd be glad to see her back as she left the establishment! I'm not
adverse to children. But is it really asking too much for children to
behave?

I really don't care what people let their kids do in their own homes.
Apparently this is the reason they now make washable Crayola markers...
so their kids can scribble all over the walls if they feel "inspired".
But hey! It's okay because Mom can just wash it off! What happened to
teaching them not to scribble on the walls?

The fact is restaurants can be dangerous places. When that cute little
hellion crashes into the server with the piping hot coffee carafe, don't
come crying to me. If they careen into a server carrying a bunch of hot
plates, whose fault is it? Not the fault of the restaurant, that's for
sure.

Jill

On 2/21/2014 11:08 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/21/2014 10:37 AM, wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:56:19 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2014 5:06 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the old days, my frequent script ran like this:
>>>
>>>> Hostess: "Smoking or non?"
>>>> Me: "Non-kid...do you have a quiet corner?"
>>>
>>>> Ate in a nice place one night - and the kid 2 booths down was SO
>>>> bad with the incessant screaming, a huge round of applause from the
>>>> entire roomful of diners broke forth when they were leaving. The
>>>> adults gave a dirty look but I don't know how they could stand it
>>>> themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> Because that was their little *darling* that was screaming! How
>>> *dare* anyone get upset with their cute little tyke?!
>>>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> From 2012:
>>
>> http://thestir.cafemom.com/food_part...30/lzdakIX97os
>>
>> By Julie Ryan Evans.
>>
>> First three paragraphs:
>>
>> "Here we go again with the child-adverse masses out to squelch any
>> sign or
>> sound of youth from their daily lives. Cappy's Pizza in Florida is the
>> latest
>> establishment to jump on the bandwagon by officially banning rowdy
>> kids with
>> a ridiculously patronizing sign right when you walk in the door.
>> "It reads: 'Parents for the safety and comfort of everyone if you
>> allow your
>> child to run/scream/or misbehave, party will be asked to leave.'
>> Kids are completely banned from the back patio. Talk about giving a
>> parent
>> indigestion before she's even ordered. If I saw a sign like that when
>> I walked
>> into a restaurant -- especially a pizzeria decked out with video games
>> and
>> other stuff that caters to kids -- I'd be walking right back out again.
>>
> (snippety)
>
> I'd be glad to see her back as she left the establishment! I'm not
> adverse to children. But is it really asking too much for children to
> behave?

You'd think that she'd wonder Why are these restaurants resorting
to policies like this? Better yet, This sign doesn't affect me
because my children were taught how to act in a restaurant, and
if they start making a scene/screaming, we leave anyway.

Instead she lashes out that people don't like children.

I've eaten in restaurants many times where there were plenty of
children but you wouldn't know it unless you looked around or
listened for little voices. Maybe sometimes a little crying,
like just the other day, but the parents don't let it go on and
escalate until everyone's annoyed.

Obviously plenty of people are able to teach their children how
to act in public, it's not impossible.

nancy

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/21/2014 10:37 AM, wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:56:19 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2014 5:06 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the old days, my frequent script ran like this:
>>>
>>>> Hostess: "Smoking or non?"
>>>> Me: "Non-kid...do you have a quiet corner?"
>>>
>>>> Ate in a nice place one night - and the kid 2 booths down was SO
>>>> bad with the incessant screaming, a huge round of applause from the
>>>> entire roomful of diners broke forth when they were leaving. The
>>>> adults gave a dirty look but I don't know how they could stand it
>>>> themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> Because that was their little *darling* that was screaming! How
>>> *dare* anyone get upset with their cute little tyke?!
>>>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> From 2012:
>>
>> http://thestir.cafemom.com/food_part...30/lzdakIX97os
>>
>> By Julie Ryan Evans.
>>
>> First three paragraphs:
>>
>> "Here we go again with the child-adverse masses out to squelch any sign
>> or
>> sound of youth from their daily lives. Cappy's Pizza in Florida is the
>> latest
>> establishment to jump on the bandwagon by officially banning rowdy kids
>> with
>> a ridiculously patronizing sign right when you walk in the door.
>> "It reads: 'Parents for the safety and comfort of everyone if you allow
>> your
>> child to run/scream/or misbehave, party will be asked to leave.'
>> Kids are completely banned from the back patio. Talk about giving a
>> parent
>> indigestion before she's even ordered. If I saw a sign like that when I
>> walked
>> into a restaurant -- especially a pizzeria decked out with video games
>> and
>> other stuff that caters to kids -- I'd be walking right back out again.
>>
> (snippety)
>
> I'd be glad to see her back as she left the establishment! I'm not
> adverse to children. But is it really asking too much for children to
> behave?
>
> I really don't care what people let their kids do in their own homes.
> Apparently this is the reason they now make washable Crayola markers... so
> their kids can scribble all over the walls if they feel "inspired". But
> hey! It's okay because Mom can just wash it off! What happened to
> teaching them not to scribble on the walls?
>
> The fact is restaurants can be dangerous places. When that cute little
> hellion crashes into the server with the piping hot coffee carafe, don't
> come crying to me. If they careen into a server carrying a bunch of hot
> plates, whose fault is it? Not the fault of the restaurant, that's for
> sure.
>
> Jill

You can bet the parents would be suing the restaurant...and collecting too.
:-)


Cheri

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