when someone made that stupid remark about A2 milk and opioid
receptors.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...escribed-pills




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"sf" > wrote in message
news
>
> when someone made that stupid remark about A2 milk and opioid
> receptors.
> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...escribed-pills
>
JEEZ! That writer needs a brain transplant!
Graham

"sf" > wrote in message
news
>
> when someone made that stupid remark about A2 milk and opioid
> receptors.
> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...escribed-pills
>

apology accepted.

"graham" > wrote in
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>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> when someone made that stupid remark about A2 milk and opioid
>> receptors.
>> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...oin-crisis-dif
>> ferent-doctor-prescribed-pills
>>
> JEEZ! That writer needs a brain transplant!
>
I agree, and IMO, most of the problems with opiates are because of their
illegality. LEGALIZE MORPHINE!
>
> Graham
>


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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:21:12 +0000 (UTC), "Winters_Lackey"
> wrote:

> "graham" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > news
> >>
> >> when someone made that stupid remark about A2 milk and opioid
> >> receptors.
> >> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...oin-crisis-dif
> >> ferent-doctor-prescribed-pills
> >>
> > JEEZ! That writer needs a brain transplant!
> >
> I agree, and IMO, most of the problems with opiates are because of their
> illegality. LEGALIZE MORPHINE!
> >

At least now I know who the real fidiots are here.


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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:14:17 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > when someone made that stupid remark about A2 milk and opioid
> > receptors.
> > http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...escribed-pills
> >
>
> apology accepted.
>

You're a real asshole. You won't be laughing when it happens to you
or a loved one.


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On Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:43:13 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> when someone made that stupid remark about A2 milk and opioid
>
> receptors.
>
> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...escribed-pills
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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You know what makes my blood boil, you insufferable ****? People in agony who can't get pain medication because of the hysteria over drug addiction. People in pain are being punished, when they are not the problem. Law abiding citizens can't legitimately get pain relief, even with verified diagnoses.. Yet drug addicts have no problem. The drug clampdown has pushed the addicts to heroin, which is far more dangerous. And the people in pain are just out of luck. I was one of those people a few years ago. I was treated like vermin, despite the fact xrays showed my hips had collapsed. I'm fine now, except for the bitterness. If I hadn't had very good insurance that paid for joint replacement, I would have killed myself because the pain was unbearable and nobody would help me. I'd gladly sacrifice 100 "drug seeker" overdoses to save 1 person the horror I went through. If you're such a dumbass you get addicted and overdose when you don't need the medication, that's fine with me. The rest of us need the pain relief a few times in our lives and shouldn't be denied that. Unless you'd rather we be driven to heroin as well, since we can't get hydrocodone or (horror of horrors) oxycodone. You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they write.

> wrote in message
...

You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you
keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this
day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
write.

=======

Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription for
pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up until
the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
been like without them.

Cheri

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription for
> pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up until
> the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
> been like without them.

There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.


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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>
>You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you
>keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this
>day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
>track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
>write.
>
>=======
>
>Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription for
>pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up until
>the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>been like without them.

I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.

I swear, one day I'm going to inflict some pain on one of these smug
and ignorant arseholes. They can't see the problem, so they err on
covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
truth.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
>> for
>> pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
>> until
>> the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>> been like without them.
>
> There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
> thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
> the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
> you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.

I could say the same thing. If you aren't familiar with the situation I was
talking about in my post, then count your blessings, but one really has
nothing to do with the other. People in pain need pain medication, and
sometimes they need it over and over and over.

Cheri

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>
>>You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if
>>you
>>keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in
>>this
>>day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
>>track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
>>write.
>>
>>=======
>>
>>Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
>>for
>>pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
>>until
>>the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>>been like without them.
>
> I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
> However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
> gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
> just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
> a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.
>
> I swear, one day I'm going to inflict some pain on one of these smug
> and ignorant arseholes. They can't see the problem, so they err on
> covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
> truth.

I'm very sorry to hear that, I really am. I wonder how much time these
doctors spend in pain? My bet, is not much.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
> You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if
> you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake,
> in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely
> we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every
> prescription they write.
>
> =======
>
> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
> for pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
> until the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would
> have been like without them.

People in that position should be given whatever make them comfortable!


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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>
>>You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if
>>you
>>keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in
>>this
>>day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
>>track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
>>write.
>>
>>=======
>>
>>Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
>>for
>>pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
>>until
>>the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>>been like without them.
>
> I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
> However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
> gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
> just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
> a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.
>
> I swear, one day I'm going to inflict some pain on one of these smug
> and ignorant arseholes. They can't see the problem, so they err on
> covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
> truth.

I have mine on repeat!

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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if
>>>you
>>>keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in
>>>this
>>>day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
>>>track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
>>>write.
>>>
>>>=======
>>>
>>>Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
>>>for
>>>pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
>>>until
>>>the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>>>been like without them.
>>
>> I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
>> However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
>> gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
>> just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
>> a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.
>>
>> I swear, one day I'm going to inflict some pain on one of these smug
>> and ignorant arseholes. They can't see the problem, so they err on
>> covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
>> truth.
>
> I'm very sorry to hear that, I really am. I wonder how much time these
> doctors spend in pain? My bet, is not much.

You can bet your life on that one!!!
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sf > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a
>> prescription for pain killers over and over? I have relatives that
>> needed them right up until the time they died. I would hate to think
>> of what their lives would have been like without them.
>
> There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
> thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
> the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
> you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.
>
>

So, because someone you know/knew was/is a mental weakling who can't handle
his/her drugs... I'm really sick of moralistic laws meant to protect
weaklings from themselves.

As far as opiates damaging physical health? B.S. The only part of those
pain pills that is poison is the acetaminophen, and here is how you remove
that.

Pulverize the tablet well with a mortar & pestle, then stir it into ice
cold water. The garbage will settle to the bottom, and the desirable
substance will dissolve. There is no need for anyone to be poisoned by
acetaminophen.

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Jeßus > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>
>>You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure,
>>if you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s
>>sake, in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I
>>do. Surely we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for
>>every prescription they write.
>>
>>=======
>>
>>Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a
>>prescription for pain killers over and over? I have relatives that
>>needed them right up until the time they died. I would hate to think
>>of what their lives would have been like without them.
>
> I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
> However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
> gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
> just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
> a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.
>
> I swear, one day I'm going to inflict some pain on one of these smug
> and ignorant arseholes. They can't see the problem, so they err on
> covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
> truth.
>
If you grabbed the son-of-a-bitch and dislocated his shoulder he'd be
begging for morphine. You'd get in trouble, but you'd be a hero to
millions of people around the world.



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On 3/23/2014 12:38 AM, Cheri wrote:

>>
>> There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
>> thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
>> the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
>> you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.
>
> I could say the same thing. If you aren't familiar with the situation I
> was talking about in my post, then count your blessings, but one really
> has nothing to do with the other. People in pain need pain medication,
> and sometimes they need it over and over and over.
>
> Cheri

Unfortunately, there is a lot of abuse of the drugs. People that need
it should be able to get what they need, but the scammers are the ones
causing problems. My daughter was attacked at work (medical office) by
a guy wanting a prescription for pain killers before any procedure was
to be done. It was his third offense and will be in jail for a long time.

Oh, you can get $40 a pill for Vicodin on the open market.

On 3/23/2014 6:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>


>>
>> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a
>> prescription for pain killers over and over? I have relatives that
>> needed them right up until the time they died. I would hate to think
>> of what their lives would have been like without them.
>
> People in that position should be given whatever make them comfortable!

One of the problems is that some people get over the pain but still want
the pills. They either take them for their own fun or sell them for a
nice profit. The abusers make it difficult for those truly in need.

sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription for
>> pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up until
>> the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>> been like without them.
>
> There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
> thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
> the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
> you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.
>

The doctor may write the script but the patient pops the pills. People
shop around for Doc Hollywoods who will give them the right pills.

Let's at least be adult and place the blame squarely on the addict.

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:38:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
> >> for
> >> pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
> >> until
> >> the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
> >> been like without them.
> >
> > There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
> > thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
> > the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
> > you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.
>
> I could say the same thing. If you aren't familiar with the situation I was
> talking about in my post, then count your blessings, but one really has
> nothing to do with the other. People in pain need pain medication, and
> sometimes they need it over and over and over.
>
I hope to god that the doctor you're talking about does regular blood
and liver checks.



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On 2014-03-23 10:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Unfortunately, there is a lot of abuse of the drugs. People that need
> it should be able to get what they need, but the scammers are the ones
> causing problems. My daughter was attacked at work (medical office) by
> a guy wanting a prescription for pain killers before any procedure was
> to be done. It was his third offense and will be in jail for a long time.
>
> Oh, you can get $40 a pill for Vicodin on the open market.
>

Heck.... she should have just written the prescription. Even better,
she could even have called it in. Then the cops could go to the pharmacy
and arrest him when we showed up for his prescription.


I realize there are some people who may have developed drug dependence
from legitimate use of pain medication, the sort of people who would not
normally be into recreational drugs. The guys that pull stunts like
that are all but guaranteed to be the type who abused pain medication to
get high. I don't get it.

I have been on heavy duty pain medication on a number of occasions. I
was on Oxy for two months when I broke my collar bone. It was very
effective at taking the edge of the pain. I would not have slept without
it. It was after two months that I realized I could not sleep without it
that I stopped taking it. I was on some heavy duty pain medication
after heart surgery, enough that I was hallucinating. I had milder
stuff at home. I stopped taking it after short time. I figured it was
better to put up with the pain than the side effects. There was nothing
euphoric about it.

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 10:54:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 3/23/2014 12:38 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> >>
> >> There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
> >> thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
> >> the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
> >> you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.
> >
> > I could say the same thing. If you aren't familiar with the situation I
> > was talking about in my post, then count your blessings, but one really
> > has nothing to do with the other. People in pain need pain medication,
> > and sometimes they need it over and over and over.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Unfortunately, there is a lot of abuse of the drugs. People that need
> it should be able to get what they need, but the scammers are the ones
> causing problems. My daughter was attacked at work (medical office) by
> a guy wanting a prescription for pain killers before any procedure was
> to be done. It was his third offense and will be in jail for a long time.
>
> Oh, you can get $40 a pill for Vicodin on the open market.

I'm not even going that far, Ed. There is a fine line between drug
dependence and drug addiction although (as far as I know) the problems
associated with detox are the same. The only up side of prescription
drug dependency that I can find is the person doesn't want to be
dependent on the drug and won't go out on the street to buy more after
detox.

I'm talking about doctors who find it easy enough to write a
prescription for someone complaining about pain in a 5 minute session,
but they don't pay any attention to their patient's general health.
The patient doesn't eat well (how do you feel hungry when you're full
of pain meds) and ends up anemic, plus all the other things that can
happen through a poor diet like fatty a liver, high blood pressure or
high cholesterol - not to mention that taking those drugs, especially
in larger doses, over an extended period of time alters the way people
think... so brain functioning (which includes decision making) is an
issue to consider too.


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On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:14:08 +0000 (UTC), "Winters_Lackey"
> wrote:

> sf > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a
> >> prescription for pain killers over and over? I have relatives that
> >> needed them right up until the time they died. I would hate to think
> >> of what their lives would have been like without them.
> >
> > There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
> > thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
> > the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
> > you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.
> >
> >
>
> So, because someone you know/knew was/is a mental weakling who can't handle
> his/her drugs... I'm really sick of moralistic laws meant to protect
> weaklings from themselves.
>
> As far as opiates damaging physical health? B.S. The only part of those
> pain pills that is poison is the acetaminophen, and here is how you remove
> that.
>
> Pulverize the tablet well with a mortar & pestle, then stir it into ice
> cold water. The garbage will settle to the bottom, and the desirable
> substance will dissolve. There is no need for anyone to be poisoned by
> acetaminophen.

You are showing your arrogance and ignorance or maybe you are thinking
with a drug addled brain. Go play in traffic.


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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:45:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
....
>You know what makes my blood boil, you insufferable ****? People in agony who can't get pain medication because of the hysteria over drug addiction. People in pain are being punished, when they are not the problem. Law abiding citizens can't legitimately get pain relief, even with verified diagnoses. Yet drug addicts have no problem. The drug clampdown has pushed the addicts to heroin, which is far more dangerous. And the people in pain are just out of luck. I was one of those people a few years ago. I was treated like vermin, despite the fact xrays showed my hips had collapsed. I'm fine now, except for the bitterness. If I hadn't had very good insurance that paid for joint replacement, I would have killed myself because the pain was unbearable and nobody would help me. I'd gladly sacrifice 100 "drug seeker" overdoses to save 1 person the horror I went through. If you're such a dumbass you get addicted and overdose when you don't need the medication, that's fine with me. The rest of
>us need the pain relief a few times in our lives and shouldn't be denied that. Unless you'd rather we be driven to heroin as well, since we can't get hydrocodone or (horror of horrors) oxycodone. You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they write.

Wow!! Dude, now I understand. I am SO SORRY you had to go through that
Hell! I can only imagine! :-(

You are exactly correct, and opiates ARE among the best analgesics,
and IMHO as an RN should NEVER be restricted for those who really need
them!!

John Kuthe...

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:23:11 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
snip
>
>Seems odd to use it for that. That stuff causes constipation so you
>would expect that it might put a lot more strain in the tender healing
>parts. Maybe it helps to stop the system until some healing takes place.

When the dog had surgery to remove an article of clothing he had
eaten, the vet told me that was a really fast healing part of the
body. And, the directions for the drug say it 'may' cause
constipation.
Janet US

On 3/23/2014 10:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Oh, you can get $40 a pill for Vicodin on the open market.

Dang, I should have filled that prescription I got when I
had teeth pulled. Didn't know I could make so much money.

Seriously, I couldn't think of making money contributing
to that miserable addiction.

nancy

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:37:45 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

> Let me axe you a question: If I go to my place, shoot up some heroin, and watch Star Trek, what damage have I done to society?

The damage you do comes later when you're too messed up to support
yourself, so you're living on public assistance and robbing others to
get more drug money. Get back to us then. Oh, wait... you won't be
able to because you sold your computer for drug money.


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On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 11:32:48 -0500, John Kuthe >
wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:45:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> ...
> >You know what makes my blood boil, you insufferable ****? People in agony who can't get pain medication because of the hysteria over drug addiction. People in pain are being punished, when they are not the problem. Law abiding citizens can't legitimately get pain relief, even with verified diagnoses. Yet drug addicts have no problem. The drug clampdown has pushed the addicts to heroin, which is far more dangerous. And the people in pain are just out of luck. I was one of those people a few years ago. I was treated like vermin, despite the fact xrays showed my hips had collapsed. I'm fine now, except for the bitterness. If I hadn't had very good insurance that paid for joint replacement, I would have killed myself because the pain was unbearable and nobody would help me. I'd gladly sacrifice 100 "drug seeker" overdoses to save 1 person the horror I went through. If you're such a dumbass you get addicted and overdose when you don't need the medication, that's fine with me. The rest
of
> >us need the pain relief a few times in our lives and shouldn't be denied that. Unless you'd rather we be driven to heroin as well, since we can't get hydrocodone or (horror of horrors) oxycodone. You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they write.
>
> Wow!! Dude, now I understand. I am SO SORRY you had to go through that
> Hell! I can only imagine! :-(
>
> You are exactly correct, and opiates ARE among the best analgesics,
> and IMHO as an RN should NEVER be restricted for those who really need
> them!!
>

I have no sympathy for that drugged out asshole.


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 2014-03-23 1:14 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:37:45 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> > wrote:
>
>> Let me axe you a question: If I go to my place, shoot up some heroin, and watch Star Trek, what damage have I done to society?
>
> The damage you do comes later when you're too messed up to support
> yourself, so you're living on public assistance and robbing others to
> get more drug money. Get back to us then. Oh, wait... you won't be
> able to because you sold your computer for drug money.
>
>


There are lots of people walking around with addiction and substance
abuse problems. AFAIAC, most of the more serious problems from drug
abuse are a direct result of the criminalization. I did a paper on it
back in my university days, back in the days when British addicts could
register and get their drugs legally. At that time, a British junkie
could maintain his habit for about 40 cents a day, but American addicts
were spending $150 or more. Since they only get a fraction of the value
of fenced goods they had to steal at 5-10 times that value.

There is crime involved with drug addiction because the cost of black
market drugs is so high. Who would bother to deal drugs to junkies if
they could buy the stuff legally? You aren't going to stand on the
street corner selling little mini bags of junk for 50 cents. You'd be
better off picking up old cans and bottles for the deposit money. If the
dealers aren't selling it people are less likely to be exposed to it.

On Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:31:52 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you
>
> keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this
>
> day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
>
> track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
>
> write.
>
>
>
> =======
>
>
>
> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription for
>
> pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up until
>
> the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>
> been like without them.
>
>
>
> Cheri

I agree with you.

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:20:31 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 11:32:48 -0500, John Kuthe >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:45:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> > >You know what makes my blood boil, you insufferable ****? People in agony who can't get pain medication because of the hysteria over drug addiction. People in pain are being punished, when they are not the problem. Law abiding citizens can't legitimately get pain relief, even with verified diagnoses. Yet drug addicts have no problem. The drug clampdown has pushed the addicts to heroin, which is far more dangerous. And the people in pain are just out of luck. I was one of those people a few years ago. I was treated like vermin, despite the fact xrays showed my hips had collapsed. I'm fine now, except for the bitterness. If I hadn't had very good insurance that paid for joint replacement, I would have killed myself because the pain was unbearable and nobody would help me. I'd gladly sacrifice 100 "drug seeker" overdoses to save 1 person the horror I went through. If you're such a dumbass you get addicted and overdose when you don't need the medication, that's fine with me. The rest
>
> of
>
> > >us need the pain relief a few times in our lives and shouldn't be denied that. Unless you'd rather we be driven to heroin as well, since we can't get hydrocodone or (horror of horrors) oxycodone. You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they write.
>
> >
>
> > Wow!! Dude, now I understand. I am SO SORRY you had to go through that
>
> > Hell! I can only imagine! :-(
>
> >
>
> > You are exactly correct, and opiates ARE among the best analgesics,
>
> > and IMHO as an RN should NEVER be restricted for those who really need
>
> > them!!
>
> >
>
>
>
> I have no sympathy for that drugged out asshole.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Good Food.
>
> Good Friends.
>
> Good Memories.

I haven't taken opiates in 6 years. I don't need them now. See how that works, half-wit?

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:06:26 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:
snip
>
>Prescription opiods don't really get me high. Even less so when I'm
>actually in pain. I was in the hospital for a couple days last week
>getting 8mg of IV morphine at a time, and even that didn't do much of
>anything for me except for the initial warm rush (and I think that's a
>pretty big dose? I think I used to get 2 and 3mg at a time).
snip
>-sw

I hope you are feeling better?
Janet US

On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:19:39 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
>
> wrote:
> >
>
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if you
>
> >keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in this
>
> >day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
>
> >track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
>
> >write.
>
> >Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription for
>
> >pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up until
>
> >the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>
> >been like without them.
>
> I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
>
> However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
>
> gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
>
> just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
>
> a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.
>
> covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
>
> truth.

My Dad when he had cancer was lucky to have a doc that was not afraid to prescribe dilaudid. I know when my time comes, and I have serious pain, my coward doc will under prescribe. I will complain to the College of Physicians and Surgeons. That might help???
One problem with opioids though is that tolerance is built up. You need more and more as time goes on. It would be good if the patient could take these meds once every three days. Of course if patient only has a few months to live, then tolerance build up is acceptable.

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:41:28 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if
>>>you
>>>keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake, in
>>>this
>>>day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do. Surely we can
>>>track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every prescription they
>>>write.
>>>
>>>=======
>>>
>>>Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
>>>for
>>>pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
>>>until
>>>the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would have
>>>been like without them.
>>
>> I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
>> However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
>> gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
>> just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
>> a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.
>>
>> I swear, one day I'm going to inflict some pain on one of these smug
>> and ignorant arseholes. They can't see the problem, so they err on
>> covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
>> truth.
>
>I'm very sorry to hear that, I really am. I wonder how much time these
>doctors spend in pain? My bet, is not much.

Thanks. There's been times I've pondered that myself. My opinion of
the average doctor is not very high. Something straight-forward like
colds, flu, 'depression' etc. and they're in their comfort zone and
they can dole out pills... anything outside of that they tend to be
useless, IMO.

Most of them seem to go through the motions and are incapable of
thinking for themselves, or perhaps are just plain lazy.
Very hard to find a good doctor here, I /did/ find an excellent doctor
about two years ago, I could tell straight away she was switched on.
She solved my hayfever problem in two visits, which all the other
doctors here failed to do. Then she retired shortly afterwards... grr.

My back is definitely improving today, so I should be back to normal
soon. It'd better be... I've got a garden bed to turn over and it
can't be put off much longer

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:36:52 +0000 (UTC), "Winters_Lackey"
> wrote:

>Jeßus > wrote in
:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure,
>>>if you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s
>>>sake, in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I
>>>do. Surely we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for
>>>every prescription they write.
>>>
>>>=======
>>>
>>>Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a
>>>prescription for pain killers over and over? I have relatives that
>>>needed them right up until the time they died. I would hate to think
>>>of what their lives would have been like without them.
>>
>> I have constant lower back pain, which I have learned to live with.
>> However, about 6 times a year it gets so bad I can't walk (I've just
>> gone through that stage yesterday). I'd like to have some painkillers
>> just for those times the pain is extreme, but every time I've been to
>> a doctor for that reason, I leave empty handed.
>>
>> I swear, one day I'm going to inflict some pain on one of these smug
>> and ignorant arseholes. They can't see the problem, so they err on
>> covering their arses rather than accepting what I tell them is the
>> truth.
>>
>If you grabbed the son-of-a-bitch and dislocated his shoulder he'd be
>begging for morphine. You'd get in trouble, but you'd be a hero to
>millions of people around the world.

It is tempting sometimes

At the moment I don't have a specific doctor, most doctors in the area
are 'locums', who are only temporary. That makes it all the harder, as
they have no history with you. Very hard to get permanent doctors
here, as few want to live in the sticks with sub-zero winter
temperatures As it is, I have a 90 minute drive to the nearest
doctor.

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:28:53 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> wrote:


>My Dad when he had cancer was lucky to have a doc that was not afraid to prescribe dilaudid. I know when my time comes, and I have serious pain, my coward doc will under prescribe. I will complain to the College of Physicians and Surgeons. That might help???

It probably won't help you directly, but you should do your bit and
complain anyway. The more people that do, the closer we get to them
addressing the issue.

I have actually taken a doctor here to our Health Complaints Tribunal
a few years ago, basically for laziness and jerking me around with
referrals which he messed up. Just inattention and plain laziness
really. Caused me a lot of lost time, money and inconvenience.
Anyway, I had no real expectation that the Tribunal would actually do
anything tangible, but the complaint would hopefully encourage him to
lift his game, and the complaint will be permanently on record.


>One problem with opioids though is that tolerance is built up. You need more and more as time goes on. It would be good if the patient could take these meds once every three days. Of course if patient only has a few months to live, then tolerance build up is acceptable.

All analgesics have bad side-effects taken on a permanent or long term
basis. For me, I only want painkillers for the handful of extreme
days, so tolerance isn't a problem for me. All other days I just put
up with the normal level of pain, which is okay by me.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> You don't realize how benign a prescription of 60 oxycodone is. Sure, if
>> you keep getting that over and over, it's a problem. But for ****s sake,
>> in this day and age Amazon knows what I'm shopping for before I do.
>> Surely we can track drug usage instead of punishing doctors for every
>> prescription they write.
>>
>> =======
>>
>> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a prescription
>> for pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right
>> up until the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives
>> would have been like without them.
>
> People in that position should be given whatever make them comfortable!

I agree 100%.

Cheri

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 10:54:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Oh, you can get $40 a pill for Vicodin on the open market.
>
> Hardly. Street price for Norco, which is 10mg of hydrocodone, averages
> about $5. Vicodin, which usually refers to 5 and 7.5mg doses of
> hydrocodone, costs $2-$3. They are generally cheaper per mg because
> they contain more buffers which some people are afraid to take in
> excess due to [potential] liver problems.

Norco also comes in 5mg and costs 49.99 for 100 at the pharmacy. The price
went up from 31.00 on Jan 1, 2014, they also cut the acetaminophen in them
to 325 when it was 500 due to the potential for liver problems.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:38:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:31:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Why is it a problem for a person with chronic pain to get a
>> >> prescription
>> >> for
>> >> pain killers over and over? I have relatives that needed them right up
>> >> until
>> >> the time they died. I would hate to think of what their lives would
>> >> have
>> >> been like without them.
>> >
>> > There are doctors who are a revolving door. They don't do regular,
>> > thorough health checkups. Their patient turns into a zombie because
>> > the dose is so high plus the patient's body and brain are a mess. If
>> > you aren't familiar with that situation, then count your blessings.
>>
>> I could say the same thing. If you aren't familiar with the situation I
>> was
>> talking about in my post, then count your blessings, but one really has
>> nothing to do with the other. People in pain need pain medication, and
>> sometimes they need it over and over and over.
>>
> I hope to god that the doctor you're talking about does regular blood
> and liver checks.

Actually the people are dead, and there was no need for either.

Cheri