latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-ikea-vegetarian-chicken-meatballs-20140423,0,7144538.story
latimes.com
Ikea will soon serve vegetarian and chicken versions of its Swedish
meatballs

By Jenn Harris

10:42 AM PDT, April 23, 2014

In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
into greener meatballs. The store known for its assemble-it-yourself
furniture wants to give its most popular menu item, the Swedish
meatballs, less of a carbon footprint.

The brand is developing new chicken and vegetarian versions of the
meatballs, but fans will still be able to order the original meatballs,
traditionally served with potatoes, cream sauce and Lingonberry jam.

"IKEA is a responsible company and we believe that we can play an
important role in the move toward a more sustainable society," said the
company in a release.

In its 2013 sustainability report, Ikea said its CO2 emissions related
to food sold and served at Ikea totaled 600,000 metric tons. They are
hoping the new meatballs will lessen that number substantially.

"This improves customer choice and should result in a lower carbon
footprint than traditional meatballs," reads the report.

The new meatballs should appear on the menu in 2015. We reached out to
Ikea, but a spokesperson for the company said they have no additional
details to add at this time.

On 2014-04-23 19:42:51 +0000, Travis McGee said:

> latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-ikea-vegetarian-chicken-meatballs-20140423,0,7144538.story
>
> latimes.com
> Ikea will soon serve vegetarian and chicken versions of its Swedish meatballs
>
> By Jenn Harris
>
> 10:42 AM PDT, April 23, 2014
>
> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will
> look into greener meatballs. The store known for its
> assemble-it-yourself furniture wants to give its most popular menu
> item, the Swedish meatballs, less of a carbon footprint.
>
> The brand is developing new chicken and vegetarian versions of the
> meatballs, but fans will still be able to order the original meatballs,
> traditionally served with potatoes, cream sauce and Lingonberry jam.
>
> "IKEA is a responsible company and we believe that we can play an
> important role in the move toward a more sustainable society," said the
> company in a release.
>
> In its 2013 sustainability report, Ikea said its CO2 emissions related
> to food sold and served at Ikea totaled 600,000 metric tons. They are
> hoping the new meatballs will lessen that number substantially.
>
> "This improves customer choice and should result in a lower carbon
> footprint than traditional meatballs," reads the report.
>
> The new meatballs should appear on the menu in 2015. We reached out to
> Ikea, but a spokesperson for the company said they have no additional
> details to add at this time.

Ikea meatballs were implicated in the tainted / adulterated meat
scandal that rocked Europe a few years back as containing donkey meat.
I wouldn't mind eating donkey meat, if I knew that I was, and that it
was from a clean animal.

As it stands, I wouldn't eat them again. One incident of tainting is
enough to taint my perception of a food brand for good.

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:42:51 -0400, Travis McGee
> wrote:

>latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-ikea-vegetarian-chicken-meatballs-20140423,0,7144538.story
>latimes.com
>Ikea will soon serve vegetarian and chicken versions of its Swedish
>meatballs

Gag.

Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>


>
> Ikea meatballs were implicated in the tainted / adulterated meat
> scandal that rocked Europe a few years back as containing donkey meat.
> I wouldn't mind eating donkey meat, if I knew that I was, and that it
> was from a clean animal.
>
> As it stands, I wouldn't eat them again. One incident of tainting is
> enough to taint my perception of a food brand for good.

So much fail...

1. The USA Ikea meatballs were not implicated in any sort of scandal.

2. The European Ikea meatballs were caught up in the mislabeled horse
meat scandal a year or so ago.

3. There was never any allegation or finding in the EU mislabeled horse
meat scandal that the horse meat in question was tainted or unfit for
consumption in any way. There was talk of the horse meat possibly
containing a veterinary drug not allowed in meat for human consumption,
but as far as I recall reading there was never a sample of meat tested
that had any notable traces of that drug.

4. It was found that the horse meat involved in the EU scandal was
properly labeled as horse meat when it cleared customs from it's country
of origin on it's way to a distributor in France, and apparently
relabeled / mislabeled in France.

So ultimately the issue was one of mislabeling / mixing / substitution
of cheaper horse meat for more expensive cow meat. Given the UKs issues
with mad cow disease, the substituted horse meat may have been safer,
and was really only an issue for those with religious or emotional
dietary restrictions.

The horse meat substitution scandal did lead to a lot of testing of
various meat for sale which uncovered other issues like cross
contamination, including in meats labeled kosher / halal which is
probably a more significant issue than the horse meat.

On 2014-04-23 22:22:53 +0000, Pete C. said:

> So ultimately the issue was one of mislabeling / mixing / substitution
> of cheaper horse meat for more expensive cow meat.

Snipped the BS. That's enough right there to put me off a company for good.

They were *caught* doing this, which makes one wonder what other stunts
they pulled which were not detected. I don't care if Ikea was serving
tainted meat on Mars, any incident like this is a warning. I also know
that ultimately the blame was placed on a number of unscrupulous
intermediaries and processors, but one wonders - what was Ikea doing
dealing with such low-grade, dishonest vendors?

Sorry. You enjoy your possibly tainted and / or adulterated food
products. I won't be partaking. If I need swedish meatballs I will
make them myself, with meat that I know is not tainted and / or
adulterated.

On 4/23/2014 3:42 PM, Travis McGee wrote:
>
>
> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
> into greener meatballs.

Gee, yeah. I'd like green meatballs.

Jill

Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
> On 2014-04-23 22:22:53 +0000, Pete C. said:
>
> > So ultimately the issue was one of mislabeling / mixing / substitution
> > of cheaper horse meat for more expensive cow meat.
>
> Snipped the BS. That's enough right there to put me off a company for good.
>
> They were *caught* doing this, which makes one wonder what other stunts
> they pulled which were not detected. I don't care if Ikea was serving
> tainted meat on Mars, any incident like this is a warning. I also know
> that ultimately the blame was placed on a number of unscrupulous
> intermediaries and processors, but one wonders - what was Ikea doing
> dealing with such low-grade, dishonest vendors?
>
> Sorry. You enjoy your possibly tainted and / or adulterated food
> products. I won't be partaking. If I need swedish meatballs I will
> make them myself, with meat that I know is not tainted and / or
> adulterated.

Wow, still more fail.

Ikea was not "caught" doing anything wrong, they were victims of some
meat wholesaler that mislabeled and substituted the horse meat that they
sold to a food product producer that in turn produced meatballs for Ikea
in Europe along with producing many other prepared foods for the EU
market.

"Travis McGee" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-ikea-vegetarian-chicken-meatballs-20140423,0,7144538.story
> latimes.com
> Ikea will soon serve vegetarian and chicken versions of its Swedish
> meatballs
>
> By Jenn Harris
>
> 10:42 AM PDT, April 23, 2014
>
> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
> into greener meatballs. The store known for its assemble-it-yourself
> furniture wants to give its most popular menu item, the Swedish meatballs,
> less of a carbon footprint.
>
> The brand is developing new chicken and vegetarian versions of the
> meatballs, but fans will still be able to order the original meatballs,
> traditionally served with potatoes, cream sauce and Lingonberry jam.
>
> "IKEA is a responsible company and we believe that we can play an
> important role in the move toward a more sustainable society," said the
> company in a release.
>
> In its 2013 sustainability report, Ikea said its CO2 emissions related to
> food sold and served at Ikea totaled 600,000 metric tons. They are hoping
> the new meatballs will lessen that number substantially.
>
> "This improves customer choice and should result in a lower carbon
> footprint than traditional meatballs," reads the report.
>
> The new meatballs should appear on the menu in 2015. We reached out to
> Ikea, but a spokesperson for the company said they have no additional
> details to add at this time.

How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.

"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-04-23 19:42:51 +0000, Travis McGee said:
>
>> latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-ikea-vegetarian-chicken-meatballs-20140423,0,7144538.story
>> latimes.com
>> Ikea will soon serve vegetarian and chicken versions of its Swedish
>> meatballs
>>
>> By Jenn Harris
>>
>> 10:42 AM PDT, April 23, 2014
>>
>> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
>> into greener meatballs. The store known for its assemble-it-yourself
>> furniture wants to give its most popular menu item, the Swedish
>> meatballs, less of a carbon footprint.
>>
>> The brand is developing new chicken and vegetarian versions of the
>> meatballs, but fans will still be able to order the original meatballs,
>> traditionally served with potatoes, cream sauce and Lingonberry jam.
>>
>> "IKEA is a responsible company and we believe that we can play an
>> important role in the move toward a more sustainable society," said the
>> company in a release.
>>
>> In its 2013 sustainability report, Ikea said its CO2 emissions related to
>> food sold and served at Ikea totaled 600,000 metric tons. They are hoping
>> the new meatballs will lessen that number substantially.
>>
>> "This improves customer choice and should result in a lower carbon
>> footprint than traditional meatballs," reads the report.
>>
>> The new meatballs should appear on the menu in 2015. We reached out to
>> Ikea, but a spokesperson for the company said they have no additional
>> details to add at this time.
>
> Ikea meatballs were implicated in the tainted / adulterated meat scandal
> that rocked Europe a few years back as containing donkey meat. I wouldn't
> mind eating donkey meat, if I knew that I was, and that it was from a
> clean animal.
>
> As it stands, I wouldn't eat them again. One incident of tainting is
> enough to taint my perception of a food brand for good.

Double ew.

On 4/23/2014 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Travis McGee" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-ikea-vegetarian-chicken-meatballs-20140423,0,7144538.story
>>
>> latimes.com
>> Ikea will soon serve vegetarian and chicken versions of its Swedish
>> meatballs
>>
>> By Jenn Harris
>>
>> 10:42 AM PDT, April 23, 2014
>>
>> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will
>> look into greener meatballs. The store known for its
>> assemble-it-yourself furniture wants to give its most popular menu
>> item, the Swedish meatballs, less of a carbon footprint.
>>
>> The brand is developing new chicken and vegetarian versions of the
>> meatballs, but fans will still be able to order the original
>> meatballs, traditionally served with potatoes, cream sauce and
>> Lingonberry jam.
>>
>> "IKEA is a responsible company and we believe that we can play an
>> important role in the move toward a more sustainable society," said
>> the company in a release.
>>
>> In its 2013 sustainability report, Ikea said its CO2 emissions related
>> to food sold and served at Ikea totaled 600,000 metric tons. They are
>> hoping the new meatballs will lessen that number substantially.
>>
>> "This improves customer choice and should result in a lower carbon
>> footprint than traditional meatballs," reads the report.
>>
>> The new meatballs should appear on the menu in 2015. We reached out to
>> Ikea, but a spokesperson for the company said they have no additional
>> details to add at this time.
>
> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.

Well, I suppose the first step is to start with a vegetarian...

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:49:32 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/23/2014 3:42 PM, Travis McGee wrote:
>> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
>> into greener meatballs.
>
>Gee, yeah. I'd like green meatballs.

I don't mind decent vegetarian or even vegan food, but when it comes
as an imitation of meat... no thanks.

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:59:02 -0400, Travis McGee
> wrote:

>On 4/23/2014 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.
>
>Well, I suppose the first step is to start with a vegetarian...

Heh

On 4/23/2014 6:39 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> They were *caught* doing this, which makes one wonder what other stunts
> they pulled which were not detected. I don't care if Ikea was serving
> tainted meat on Mars, any incident like this is a warning. I also know
> that ultimately the blame was placed on a number of unscrupulous
> intermediaries and processors, but one wonders - what was Ikea doing
> dealing with such low-grade, dishonest vendors?
>
> Sorry. You enjoy your possibly tainted and / or adulterated food
> products. I won't be partaking. If I need swedish meatballs I will
> make them myself, with meat that I know is not tainted and / or
> adulterated.
>

No, the were not caught. Ikea did not do this but it was in the supply
chain. Do you buy ground beef or eat burgers at a restaurant? Good
chance you've had horsemeat.

On 4/23/2014 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>
> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.

Same way they make vegetarian burgers. Most start with HVP.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/23/2014 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>>
>> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.
>
> Same way they make vegetarian burgers. Most start with HVP.

I think you mean TVP but... It couldn't be called a meatball. Could it? I
have heard of wheatballs.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:00:40 +1000, John J > wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:29:30 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:49:32 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/23/2014 3:42 PM, Travis McGee wrote:
>>>> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
>>>> into greener meatballs.
>>>
>>>Gee, yeah. I'd like green meatballs.
>>
>>I don't mind decent vegetarian or even vegan food, but when it comes
>>as an imitation of meat... no thanks.
>
>I've had nice imitation duck a few times. From an Asian shop in
>Sydney.

That's a new one on me. I'll never, ever forgot trying to eat a can of
Sanitarium 'vege sausages' about 30 years ago... let's just say they
were *nasty*

Speaking of duck, it's high time I made some duck with orange sauce...
hmm.

On 4/23/2014 9:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/23/2014 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.
>
> Same way they make vegetarian burgers. Most start with HVP.

I have no problem if someone wants to be a vegetarian. I do have a
problem when companies like Morningstar Farms try to portray faux
burgers, sausage, etc. as meat. And yes, I've tried them.

I tried to access Morningstar Farms website for ingredients lists and
got this message:

"Looks as if MorningStarFarms.com is one leaf short of a lettuce patch
at the moment. We'll be up and running again real soon." LOL

Half the faux meat products are so loaded with crap I wouldn't feed them
to my cat.

Here's the ingredients for the All American "flame grilled" Boca Burger:

Ingredients: WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, REDUCED FAT CHEDDAR CHEESE
(PASTEURIZED PART-SKIM MILK, CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES, ANNATTO
(COLOR), VITAMIN A PALMITATE), WHEAT GLUTEN, CORN OIL, CONTAINS LESS
THAN 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, HYDROLYZED CORN PROTEIN, WHEAT GLUTEN AND
SOY PROTEIN, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, CHEESE POWDER (CHEDDAR CHEESE (MILK,
CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES), CREAM, SALT, SODIUM PHOSPHATE, LACTIC
ACID), DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT, NATURAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), SESAME
OIL, DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE, BROWNED IN CORN OIL.

No thanks.

Jill

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:04:32 +1000, John J > wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:39:48 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:00:40 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:29:30 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:49:32 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 4/23/2014 3:42 PM, Travis McGee wrote:
>>>>>> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
>>>>>> into greener meatballs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gee, yeah. I'd like green meatballs.
>>>>
>>>>I don't mind decent vegetarian or even vegan food, but when it comes
>>>>as an imitation of meat... no thanks.
>>>
>>>I've had nice imitation duck a few times. From an Asian shop in
>>>Sydney.
>>
>>That's a new one on me. I'll never, ever forgot trying to eat a can of
>>Sanitarium 'vege sausages' about 30 years ago... let's just say they
>>were *nasty*
>
>Canned doesn't sound good, nor does that brand name.

No, definitely not good... it was made out of that textured vegetable
protein.

>>Speaking of duck, it's high time I made some duck with orange sauce...
>>hmm.
>
>I think the vegetarian duck was one of these items:
><http://www.lamyong.com.au/shop/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_ in_description=1&keyword=duck>

"Made mainly from wheat protein and shaped into gluten steaks". I'd be
surprised if I would enjoy those, I know my body wouldn't like the
wheat/gluten. But no seriously bad ingredients in there which is a
nice change.

I guess I have a bit of philosophical problem with the vegetarian
alternatives to meat... I'm not sure what kind of message it sends -
something like: 'yes, meat is bad, but here's something masquerading
as beef, chicken or duck'. Why not just call it something else more
along the lines of what it actually is?

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 4/23/2014 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.
> >
> > Same way they make vegetarian burgers. Most start with HVP.
>
> I think you mean TVP but... It couldn't be called a meatball. Could it?

yes


> I have heard of wheatballs.

Travis McGee > wrote in
:

>

>
> "IKEA is a responsible company and we believe that we can play an
> important role in the move toward a more sustainable society," said
> the company in a release.
>
They could start by not making disposable furniture.
>



--
--Bryan
"The 1960's called. They want their recipe back."
--Steve Wertz in rec.food.cooking 4-20-2009

Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.

Castrate a vegetarian.

On 2014-04-23 11:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:


> I guess I have a bit of philosophical problem with the vegetarian
> alternatives to meat... I'm not sure what kind of message it sends -
> something like: 'yes, meat is bad, but here's something masquerading
> as beef, chicken or duck'. Why not just call it something else more
> along the lines of what it actually is?

I agree. There are all sorts of protein rich alternatives to meat. I
have eaten in vegetarian Indian restaurants where they used various
legumes in rich, spicy sauces that were delicious. They did not see any
reason to pass it off as some sort of mock meat. I have had vegetarians
trying to foist mock meat products on me. I have been told about veggie
dogs and veggie burgers that are just like hot dogs and hamburgers.
Well, they aren't just like real hamburgers and hot dogs. They are like
crappy burgers and dogs. Real hamburgers and hotdogs taste like real
hamburgers and hotdogs, and if they want something that tastes like real
hamburger.....eat meat.

jmcquown > wrote:
> On 4/23/2014 9:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/23/2014 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How in the world could you make a vegetarian meatball? Ew.
>>
>> Same way they make vegetarian burgers. Most start with HVP.
>
> I have no problem if someone wants to be a vegetarian. I do have a
> problem when companies like Morningstar Farms try to portray faux
> burgers, sausage, etc. as meat. And yes, I've tried them.
>
> I tried to access Morningstar Farms website for ingredients lists and got this message:
>
> "Looks as if MorningStarFarms.com is one leaf short of a lettuce patch at
> the moment. We'll be up and running again real soon." LOL
>
> Half the faux meat products are so loaded with crap I wouldn't feed them to my cat.
>
> Here's the ingredients for the All American "flame grilled" Boca Burger:
>
> Ingredients: WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, REDUCED FAT CHEDDAR CHEESE
> (PASTEURIZED PART-SKIM MILK, CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES, ANNATTO
> (COLOR), VITAMIN A PALMITATE), WHEAT GLUTEN, CORN OIL, CONTAINS LESS THAN
> 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, HYDROLYZED CORN PROTEIN, WHEAT GLUTEN AND SOY
> PROTEIN, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, CHEESE POWDER (CHEDDAR CHEESE (MILK, CHEESE
> CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES), CREAM, SALT, SODIUM PHOSPHATE, LACTIC ACID),
> DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT, NATURAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), SESAME OIL,
> DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE, BROWNED IN CORN OIL.
>
> No thanks.
>
> Jill

That ingredient list is just breathtaking. After we round up and kill all
the lawyers, I move we immediately execute all food scientists.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On 4/23/2014 6:39 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>> They were *caught* doing this, which makes one wonder what other stunts
>> they pulled which were not detected. I don't care if Ikea was serving
>> tainted meat on Mars, any incident like this is a warning. I also know
>> that ultimately the blame was placed on a number of unscrupulous
>> intermediaries and processors, but one wonders - what was Ikea doing
>> dealing with such low-grade, dishonest vendors?
>>
>> Sorry. You enjoy your possibly tainted and / or adulterated food
>> products. I won't be partaking. If I need swedish meatballs I will
>> make them myself, with meat that I know is not tainted and / or
>> adulterated.
>>
>
> No, the were not caught. Ikea did not do this but it was in the supply
> chain. Do you buy ground beef or eat burgers at a restaurant? Good
> chance you've had horsemeat.

Yes they were caught. If the meatballs come from Ikea, Ikea is ultimately
responsible for them. I suppose it never occurred to the geniuses at Ikea
that this amazingly inexpensive new supplier wash cheaper for a sinister
and foul reason?

I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage meat, and there
is no reliable way to determine if I am eating pink slime or not. Too
risky.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2014-04-23 11:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
> > I guess I have a bit of philosophical problem with the vegetarian
> > alternatives to meat... I'm not sure what kind of message it sends -
> > something like: 'yes, meat is bad, but here's something masquerading
> > as beef, chicken or duck'. Why not just call it something else more
> > along the lines of what it actually is?
>
> I agree. There are all sorts of protein rich alternatives to meat.

Try buying and eating ferret food. The good stuff is around 40%
protein. It's good for bodybuilders. heheh

Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage meat, and there
> is no reliable way to determine if I am eating pink slime or not. Too
> risky.

I kind of like the pink slime thing. Tastes pretty good.
Each to their own, I suppose.

Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in

ternal-september.org:

> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage
> meat, and there is no reliable way to determine if I am eating
> pink slime or not. Too risky.

You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them to
grind it for you.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 2014-04-23 23:49:23 +0000, Julie Bove said:

> "Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-04-23 19:42:51 +0000, Travis McGee said:
>>
>>> latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-ikea-vegetarian-chicken-meatballs-20140423,0,7144538.story
>>> latimes.com
>>> Ikea will soon serve vegetarian and chicken versions of its Swedish meatballs
>>>
>>> By Jenn Harris
>>>
>>> 10:42 AM PDT, April 23, 2014
>>>
>>> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will
>>> look into greener meatballs. The store known for its
>>> assemble-it-yourself furniture wants to give its most popular menu
>>> item, the Swedish meatballs, less of a carbon footprint.
>>>
>>> The brand is developing new chicken and vegetarian versions of the
>>> meatballs, but fans will still be able to order the original meatballs,
>>> traditionally served with potatoes, cream sauce and Lingonberry jam.
>>>
>>> "IKEA is a responsible company and we believe that we can play an
>>> important role in the move toward a more sustainable society," said the
>>> company in a release.
>>>
>>> In its 2013 sustainability report, Ikea said its CO2 emissions related
>>> to food sold and served at Ikea totaled 600,000 metric tons. They are
>>> hoping the new meatballs will lessen that number substantially.
>>>
>>> "This improves customer choice and should result in a lower carbon
>>> footprint than traditional meatballs," reads the report.
>>>
>>> The new meatballs should appear on the menu in 2015. We reached out to
>>> Ikea, but a spokesperson for the company said they have no additional
>>> details to add at this time.
>>
>> Ikea meatballs were implicated in the tainted / adulterated meat
>> scandal that rocked Europe a few years back as containing donkey meat.
>> I wouldn't mind eating donkey meat, if I knew that I was, and that it
>> was from a clean animal.
>>
>> As it stands, I wouldn't eat them again. One incident of tainting is
>> enough to taint my perception of a food brand for good.
>
> Double ew.

It's good that we found out though. I'd rather know about this sort of
thing and be grossed out than remain blissfully ignorant.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 14:00:05 +1000, John J > wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:28:02 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>No, definitely not good... it was made out of that textured vegetable
>>protein.
>
>Maybe with a whole lot of garlic and chilli spice, but then you could
>just as well use zucchini, mushroom etc. as the base.

Yep, no reason why not.

>>>>Speaking of duck, it's high time I made some duck with orange sauce...
>>>>hmm.
>>>
>>>I think the vegetarian duck was one of these items:
>>><http://www.lamyong.com.au/shop/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_ in_description=1&keyword=duck>
>>
>>"Made mainly from wheat protein and shaped into gluten steaks". I'd be
>>surprised if I would enjoy those, I know my body wouldn't like the
>>wheat/gluten. But no seriously bad ingredients in there which is a
>>nice change.
>
>Yes, it's clearly not for the gluten intolerant.
>
>>I guess I have a bit of philosophical problem with the vegetarian
>>alternatives to meat... I'm not sure what kind of message it sends -
>>something like: 'yes, meat is bad, but here's something masquerading
>>as beef, chicken or duck'. Why not just call it something else more
>>along the lines of what it actually is?
>
>'Mock duck' isn't a bad description and gets my attention more than
>'wheat protein' or 'gluten steaks'

Ah yes, but which one is more honest?

Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage meat, and there
> is no reliable way to determine if I am eating pink slime or not. Too
> risky.

Grind your own, moroon... you lazy ignoranus POS.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:53:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-04-23 11:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>
>> I guess I have a bit of philosophical problem with the vegetarian
>> alternatives to meat... I'm not sure what kind of message it sends -
>> something like: 'yes, meat is bad, but here's something masquerading
>> as beef, chicken or duck'. Why not just call it something else more
>> along the lines of what it actually is?
>
>I agree. There are all sorts of protein rich alternatives to meat. I
>have eaten in vegetarian Indian restaurants where they used various
>legumes in rich, spicy sauces that were delicious. They did not see any
>reason to pass it off as some sort of mock meat. I have had vegetarians
>trying to foist mock meat products on me. I have been told about veggie
>dogs and veggie burgers that are just like hot dogs and hamburgers.
>Well, they aren't just like real hamburgers and hot dogs.

LOL. They never are, are they?

>They are like
>crappy burgers and dogs. Real hamburgers and hotdogs taste like real
>hamburgers and hotdogs, and if they want something that tastes like real
>hamburger.....eat meat.

Exactly.

On 4/24/2014 6:55 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
>
> ternal-september.org:
>
>> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage
>> meat, and there is no reliable way to determine if I am eating
>> pink slime or not. Too risky.
>
> You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them to
> grind it for you.
>
That makes too much sense.

Jill

On 2014-04-24 22:55:14 +0000, Michel Boucher said:

> Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
>
> ternal-september.org:
>
>> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage
>> meat, and there is no reliable way to determine if I am eating
>> pink slime or not. Too risky.
>
> You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them to
> grind it for you.

When I do eat ground beef it is obtained from a reputable butcher and I
know the exact ranch it comes from. But I find that, if I am in the
mood for beef, it is usually in the form of a steak, oxtail, roast, or
liver.

On 2014-04-24 23:19:03 +0000, jmcquown said:

> On 4/24/2014 6:55 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>> Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
>>
>> ternal-september.org:
>>
>>> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage
>>> meat, and there is no reliable way to determine if I am eating
>>> pink slime or not. Too risky.
>>
>> You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them to
>> grind it for you.
>>
> That makes too much sense.
>
> Jill

Heck, why not just do like most of the idiots out there and buy the
ground beef that comes in an opaque tube with a photo of ground beef on
the outside?

On 2014-04-24 00:29:30 +0000, Jeßus said:

> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:49:32 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/23/2014 3:42 PM, Travis McGee wrote:
>>> In an effort to become more sustainable, Ikea has announced it will look
>>> into greener meatballs.
>>
>> Gee, yeah. I'd like green meatballs.
>
> I don't mind decent vegetarian or even vegan food, but when it comes
> as an imitation of meat... no thanks.

While I normally would agree, I have had some really exquisitely
prepared imitation meat that was extremely convincing at Vegetarian
House here in Portland. I am quite sure that, especially as it is in
typical Chinese dishes, most people would be unable to tell that it was
not real meat.

Unfortunately there is a lot of poor-quality imitation meat out there
that is usually loaded with adulterants and flavor enhancers to cover
up its bland, anutritional nature. Boca Burgers are about the worst -
why would one eat an insipid, disgusting imitation of ground beef when
they could have a Garden Burger with some real flavor and character?
If you are really so desperate for meat just eat it already.

Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
:

>>> You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them
>>> to grind it for you.
>>>
>> That makes too much sense.
>
> Heck, why not just do like most of the idiots out there and
> buy the ground beef that comes in an opaque tube with a photo
> of ground beef on the outside?

Are you suggesting that getting it from the butcher and having them
grind it for you fresh is the same as buying mystery meat in a
tube?

Really?

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
:

> On 2014-04-24 22:55:14 +0000, Michel Boucher said:
>
>> Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
>> news:1194504671420064220.437815bob_davis_retired-yahoo.com@new
>> s.e ternal-september.org:
>>
>>> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage
>>> meat, and there is no reliable way to determine if I am
>>> eating pink slime or not. Too risky.
>>
>> You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them
>> to grind it for you.
>
> When I do eat ground beef it is obtained from a reputable
> butcher and I know the exact ranch it comes from. But I find
> that, if I am in the mood for beef, it is usually in the form
> of a steak, oxtail, roast, or liver.

But you were talking about ground beef not a steak. Stay on topic.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 2014-04-25 01:11:57 +0000, Michel Boucher said:

> Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
> :
>
>>>> You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them
>>>> to grind it for you.
>>>>
>>> That makes too much sense.
>>
>> Heck, why not just do like most of the idiots out there and
>> buy the ground beef that comes in an opaque tube with a photo
>> of ground beef on the outside?
>
> Are you suggesting that getting it from the butcher and having them
> grind it for you fresh is the same as buying mystery meat in a
> tube?
>
> Really?

No, I'm mocking Jill's obsessive need to insult people by using irony.
Sorry if that didn't come across. I should have used the international
symbol for irony: ¡

On 2014-04-25 01:12:58 +0000, Michel Boucher said:

> Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
> :
>
>> On 2014-04-24 22:55:14 +0000, Michel Boucher said:
>>
>>> Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
>>> news:1194504671420064220.437815bob_davis_retired-yahoo.com@new
>>> s.e ternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> I almost never eat ground beef. It is likely to be garbage
>>>> meat, and there is no reliable way to determine if I am
>>>> eating pink slime or not. Too risky.
>>>
>>> You can buy a piece of round at a butcher shop and ask them
>>> to grind it for you.
>>
>> When I do eat ground beef it is obtained from a reputable
>> butcher and I know the exact ranch it comes from. But I find
>> that, if I am in the mood for beef, it is usually in the form
>> of a steak, oxtail, roast, or liver.
>
> But you were talking about ground beef not a steak. Stay on topic.

Actually in the post you responded to, I was talking about both ground
beef and other parts of the animal. I charge extra to stay on topic.
Please respond to this post with your credit card details and we can
start the process of your granting me power of attorney.

Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in
:

> I should have used the international
> symbol for irony: *

I thought the international symbol for irony was Hey.

--
Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck