On 2014-04-27 3:42 PM, graham wrote:
> On 25/04/2014 9:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I have been trying for years to make green beans with bacon and never
>> really liked the end result.
>
> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one vegetable
> I can live without.
>
When I was a kid my father always had a vegetable garden and he always
grew green beans. Maybe I like them so much because I always expect
them to be as tasty as the beans we used have, cooked within minutes of
picking. I have to say that when I buy them at the supermarket they
tend to be disappointing, but I at least have that standard of
delciousness by which to judge them.

"Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> :
>
>> The olives were a tad more to get delivered but... We've got to
>> have the olives! Salad is no fun with no olives!
>>
> Let me guess, canned olives?
>
>
That's generally how the black ones come. You can also get them in a pouch
or at the olive bar. The likely came from a can there too.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 25/04/2014 9:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I have been trying for years to make green beans with bacon and never
>> really liked the end result.
>
> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one vegetable I
> can live without.

There are several veggies that I can live without, but I feel it is
important to get plenty of veg inside us, so I doctor them to make them
edible


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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/26/2014 9:05 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 4/26/2014 11:13 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 4/26/2014 4:11 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> The beans might improve even more with a shot of vinegar toward the
>>>>> end. Just sayin'.
>>>>
>>>> I use balsamic vinegar. I don't like canned veg much and I steam my
>>>> beans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I like fresh green beans sauteed with garlic and halved or quartered
>>> cherry tomatoes and a little Balsamic vinegar.. I detest canned green
>>> beans. To me they aren't "real" vegetables. Frozen are fine.
>>>
>> I think for most people, it's what you got used to growing up. I
>> remember I used to think I liked canned green beans, the texture was
>> mushy and at the time I liked that. I usually make them from fresh or
>> frozen now, and tried a can not too long ago and it just tasted like
>> metal.
>>
>
> I agree. When I was growing up in the 1950's there was mostly canned
> available. I hated canned vegetables, except maybe corn. My mother would
> buy fresh ones in the summer and I'd eat them raw. I also ate raw peas,
> freshly shelled, raw turnip, raw carrots, raw broccoli, raw cauliflower,
> etc. When frozen vegetables became available she bought them and I ate
> them.
>
> I still love raw veggies. My newest craze is raw okra. It's not at all
> slimy and very yummy.
>
Raw is my favorite for most veggies. I don't like potatoes raw but my mom
and daughter do. And green beans must be young and tender.

I don't think I have seen okra here but I will look for it. It is supposed
to be very good for diabetics. My mom used to cut thick slices and deep fry
it in batter. I loved that as a kid. And I ate some kind of canned soup
that had okra. I did like it but haven't had it for many years because it
just doesn't grow here.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 25/04/2014 9:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I have been trying for years to make green beans with bacon and never
>> really liked the end result.
>
> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one vegetable I
> can live without.
> Graham

I have a friend who can't eat them because they squeak. I had not noticed
this until he pointed it out. Actually well cooked ones won't squeak but
the barely cooked ones will. Doesn't bother me though. I pretty much like
all green beans unless I don't like the seasoning. Don't like vinegar on
them or mustard.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-04-27 3:42 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 25/04/2014 9:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I have been trying for years to make green beans with bacon and never
>>> really liked the end result.
>>
>> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one vegetable
>> I can live without.
>>
> When I was a kid my father always had a vegetable garden and he always
> grew green beans. Maybe I like them so much because I always expect them
> to be as tasty as the beans we used have, cooked within minutes of
> picking. I have to say that when I buy them at the supermarket they tend
> to be disappointing, but I at least have that standard of delciousness by
> which to judge them.

Agree with you there. The grocery ones are often old looking. Once in a
while I will get good, fresh looking ones but usually on a day when I can't
cook them right away.

On 2014-04-27 6:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:

>> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one
>> vegetable I can live without.
>
> There are several veggies that I can live without, but I feel it is
> important to get plenty of veg inside us, so I doctor them to make them
> edible
>

What's with you guys? Garden fresh green beans are wonderful. Granted,
the stuff you get in grocery stores can be disappointing. Try growing
them and eat them freshly picked. They can be very good.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2014-04-27 6:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one
> >> vegetable I can live without.
> >
> > There are several veggies that I can live without, but I feel it is
> > important to get plenty of veg inside us, so I doctor them to make them
> > edible
> >
>
> What's with you guys? Garden fresh green beans are wonderful. Granted,
> the stuff you get in grocery stores can be disappointing. Try growing
> them and eat them freshly picked. They can be very good.

I always grow runner beans, and either French beans or broad beans
(and peas and mange tout).. they are all very easy and you just can't
buy that fresh-picked quality.

Some years back, with a glut of all beans, I gave some runner and
french beans to a neighbour. Her daughter aged six piped up "what are
those things" and her mother replied "I've no idea" :-( I was shocked.
Then I had to tell her how to cook them..she had never cooked or tasted
fresh beans before.

Janet UK

On 4/27/2014 5:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> On 4/26/2014 9:05 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 4/26/2014 11:13 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/2014 4:11 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> The beans might improve even more with a shot of vinegar toward the
>>>>>> end. Just sayin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use balsamic vinegar. I don't like canned veg much and I steam my
>>>>> beans.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like fresh green beans sauteed with garlic and halved or quartered
>>>> cherry tomatoes and a little Balsamic vinegar.. I detest canned green
>>>> beans. To me they aren't "real" vegetables. Frozen are fine.
>>>>
>>> I think for most people, it's what you got used to growing up. I
>>> remember I used to think I liked canned green beans, the texture was
>>> mushy and at the time I liked that. I usually make them from fresh or
>>> frozen now, and tried a can not too long ago and it just tasted like
>>> metal.
>>>
>>
>> I agree. When I was growing up in the 1950's there was mostly canned
>> available. I hated canned vegetables, except maybe corn. My mother
>> would buy fresh ones in the summer and I'd eat them raw. I also ate
>> raw peas, freshly shelled, raw turnip, raw carrots, raw broccoli, raw
>> cauliflower, etc. When frozen vegetables became available she bought
>> them and I ate them.
>>
>> I still love raw veggies. My newest craze is raw okra. It's not at
>> all slimy and very yummy.
>>
> Raw is my favorite for most veggies. I don't like potatoes raw but my
> mom and daughter do. And green beans must be young and tender.
>
> I don't think I have seen okra here but I will look for it. It is
> supposed to be very good for diabetics. My mom used to cut thick slices
> and deep fry it in batter. I loved that as a kid. And I ate some kind
> of canned soup that had okra. I did like it but haven't had it for many
> years because it just doesn't grow here.

I'm sure you can find fresh okra at any produce market. Sometimes our
local, weekly, farmers market on the street has them. If you can find
them the red okra is the best.

I think that soup was canned gumbo creole. I ate that as a kid, too.

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On 2014-04-27 6:52 PM, Janet wrote:

> Some years back, with a glut of all beans, I gave some runner and
> french beans to a neighbour. Her daughter aged six piped up "what are
> those things" and her mother replied "I've no idea" :-( I was shocked.
> Then I had to tell her how to cook them..she had never cooked or tasted
> fresh beans before.
>


That is such a shame. Green beans fresh from the garden are very tasty.

On 4/27/2014 5:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-04-27 6:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one
>>> vegetable I can live without.
>>
>> There are several veggies that I can live without, but I feel it is
>> important to get plenty of veg inside us, so I doctor them to make them
>> edible
>>
>
> What's with you guys? Garden fresh green beans are wonderful. Granted,
> the stuff you get in grocery stores can be disappointing. Try growing
> them and eat them freshly picked. They can be very good.
>
>
I'm lucky that our local grocery chain has direct distribution from
their contract farmers here in Texas. We get fresh Texas grown green beans.

The ones I'm missing are the broad ones we called Italian green beans.
I love them. The best I can do here are frozen ones.

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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/27/2014 5:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-04-27 6:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one
>>>> vegetable I can live without.
>>>
>>> There are several veggies that I can live without, but I feel it is
>>> important to get plenty of veg inside us, so I doctor them to make them
>>> edible
>>>
>>
>> What's with you guys? Garden fresh green beans are wonderful. Granted,
>> the stuff you get in grocery stores can be disappointing. Try growing
>> them and eat them freshly picked. They can be very good.
>>
>>
> I'm lucky that our local grocery chain has direct distribution from their
> contract farmers here in Texas. We get fresh Texas grown green beans.
>
> The ones I'm missing are the broad ones we called Italian green beans. I
> love them. The best I can do here are frozen ones.

I love those too. I sometimes get them canned but I'm the only one here who
likes them.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...

> I'm sure you can find fresh okra at any produce market. Sometimes our
> local, weekly, farmers market on the street has them. If you can find
> them the red okra is the best.

You live where it's warm though. I think I have seen them perhaps in small
quantities during the summer. And the farmer's markets here would for sure
not have them as they do not grow here. The farmer's markets here are also
not a good place to buy vegetables. The one only ever has one small stand
of veggies and they are past their prime. They sell a lot of flowers,
clothing, jewelry, more like a street fair.

The other one at Country Village was larger and had more veggies but I
didn't see a thing that I couldn't get at a place like Central Market and
the prices at the store are much cheaper.

We have a very short growing season here. I quit trying to grow veggies.
Some years I got enough crops to make it worth it but mostly, no. But I
only have room for Earth Boxes.

My friend who lives more towards Sultan on a farm that is over 100 years old
has better luck but she has a lot more growing space and gets more sun than
we do here.
>
> I think that soup was canned gumbo creole. I ate that as a kid, too.
>
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On 4/27/2014 6:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-04-27 6:52 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>> Some years back, with a glut of all beans, I gave some runner and
>> french beans to a neighbour. Her daughter aged six piped up "what are
>> those things" and her mother replied "I've no idea" :-( I was shocked.
>> Then I had to tell her how to cook them..she had never cooked or tasted
>> fresh beans before.
>>
>
> That is such a shame. Green beans fresh from the garden are very tasty.
>
Not everyone has access to garden fresh green beans. So sorry I've
never been able to just go out and pick them. I'm sure it makes all the
difference!

However, if you actually read the first post by the OP, she said she
used *canned* green beans. Yeah, they'd certainly need some perfecting!

Jill

On 4/26/2014 10:14 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> What do you think canned vegetables are? Fried?
>
+1

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On 4/27/2014 6:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>
> You live where it's warm though.

What does that matter? Ever hear of refrigerated trucks?


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On 4/27/2014 1:04 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> I agree. When I was growing up in the 1950's there was mostly canned
> available. I hated canned vegetables, except maybe corn. My mother
> would buy fresh ones in the summer and I'd eat them raw. I also ate raw
> peas, freshly shelled, raw turnip, raw carrots, raw broccoli, raw
> cauliflower, etc. When frozen vegetables became available she bought
> them and I ate them.

This post made me laugh! When I was a kid the only kinds of gardens the
neighbors kept were flower gardens. We had one neighbor, though, who
grew peas. I'm not sure if they were deliberately cultivated, or were
once planted them let to "go wild" but there always seemed to be an
abundance of peas when we'd sneak into her yard to liberate a vast
quantity of peas. Then we'd sit and pig out on raw peas.

What a treat that was!!! (I honestly believe the neighbor knew we were
helping ourselves to her peas, but she never said a word. She had no
other veggies in her 'garden.')

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dsi1 > wrote in
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> On 4/27/2014 7:22 AM, Winters_Lackey wrote:
>> dsi1 > wrote in
>> news:ljhnc6$fci$1@dont- email.me:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My son makes a dish with 2 cans of green beans, 2 cans of tuna, and
>>> some cheese. My wife says it's pretty good. He goes through a bunch
>>> of green beans using this dish. It's a strange dish alright but the
>>> whole point of it is that it's low calorie. I wish he made something
>>> less green beany. Me and green beans go back a long way and it's
>>> been mostly rocky relationship. That's the breaks.
>>
>> Your son's dish makes Julie's sound really good by comparison.
>>
>
> My son is not a cook. What's your excuse? :-)
>
He is obviously not, and that's OK. Up until the last few years, my wife
was not either. I wasn't insulting *him*, but his concoction. Also, it
isn't all that low calorie because of the cheese, but it certainly is low
carb. Very, very low glycemic index, however aesthetically unappealing.
Depending on the cheese:tuna ratio, it is either concentrated protein, or
well balanced between protein and fat.


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On 4/27/2014 6:34 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 4/27/2014 6:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> You live where it's warm though.
>
> What does that matter? Ever hear of refrigerated trucks?
>
>
I don't know about the farmer's markets in Julie's area, but here at our
local farmer's market, in the heart of Missouri, all produce must be
locally grown, nothing imported from anywhere. Of course, there are
tons of veggies grown around here.

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>> Julie, you are diabetic, and eating mashed potatoes is just dumb.

Being diabetic doesn't mean eating a small amount of mashed potatoes is
"just dumb." As part of a well balanced diet carbs are necessary. Now,
a pile the size of Devil's Tower would be wrong...

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DreadfulBitch > wrote in news:ljk6hr$hju$1
@dont-email.me:

>
>
>>> Julie, you are diabetic, and eating mashed potatoes is just dumb.
>
> Being diabetic doesn't mean eating a small amount of mashed potatoes is
> "just dumb." As part of a well balanced diet carbs are necessary. Now,
> a pile the size of Devil's Tower would be wrong...
>

Starches are not necessary, though with all of Julie's other dietary
restrictions, they might well be.

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On 4/27/2014 2:05 PM, Winters_Lackey wrote:
>
> He is obviously not, and that's OK. Up until the last few years, my wife
> was not either. I wasn't insulting *him*, but his concoction. Also, it
> isn't all that low calorie because of the cheese, but it certainly is low
> carb. Very, very low glycemic index, however aesthetically unappealing.
> Depending on the cheese:tuna ratio, it is either concentrated protein, or
> well balanced between protein and fat.
>
>

Don't make any disparaging remarks about me or my family and we'll get
along just spiffy. My son knows exactly what the caloric count and fat
content of this dish is. That's the whole reason he makes it.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

>
> "Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> The olives were a tad more to get delivered but... We've got to
>>> have the olives! Salad is no fun with no olives!
>>>
>> Let me guess, canned olives?
>>
>>
> That's generally how the black ones come. You can also get them in a
> pouch or at the olive bar. The likely came from a can there too.
>
They also come packed in sunflower oil, vacuum packed and refridgerated.
You can get them at international food stores. Is it work to pit them?
Yes, but they are *so* much better than those bland canned olives.



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On 27/04/2014 1:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-04-27 3:42 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 25/04/2014 9:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I have been trying for years to make green beans with bacon and never
>>> really liked the end result.
>>
>> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one vegetable
>> I can live without.
>>
> When I was a kid my father always had a vegetable garden and he always
> grew green beans. Maybe I like them so much because I always expect
> them to be as tasty as the beans we used have, cooked within minutes of
> picking. I have to say that when I buy them at the supermarket they
> tend to be disappointing, but I at least have that standard of
> delciousness by which to judge them.
>
My father grew them but it's the texture on the teeth that I don't like
- a sort of silica grating on the surface. The "screech" of cheese curds
in poutine is similar.
My sister OTOH loves green/runner/pole beans.
Graham

On 27/04/2014 7:18 PM, graham wrote:
> On 27/04/2014 1:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-04-27 3:42 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 25/04/2014 9:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I have been trying for years to make green beans with bacon and never
>>>> really liked the end result.
>>>
>>> To me, green beans are perfect when served to others! It's one vegetable
>>> I can live without.
>>>
>> When I was a kid my father always had a vegetable garden and he always
>> grew green beans. Maybe I like them so much because I always expect
>> them to be as tasty as the beans we used have, cooked within minutes of
>> picking. I have to say that when I buy them at the supermarket they
>> tend to be disappointing, but I at least have that standard of
>> delciousness by which to judge them.
>>
> My father grew them but it's the texture on the teeth that I don't like
> - a sort of silica grating on the surface. The "screech" of cheese curds
> in poutine is similar.
> My sister OTOH loves green/runner/pole beans.
> Graham
OTOH I love broad beans, with or without the thick skins.
Graham

"Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> The olives were a tad more to get delivered but... We've got to
>>>> have the olives! Salad is no fun with no olives!
>>>>
>>> Let me guess, canned olives?
>>>
>>>
>> That's generally how the black ones come. You can also get them in a
>> pouch or at the olive bar. The likely came from a can there too.
>>
> They also come packed in sunflower oil, vacuum packed and refridgerated.
> You can get them at international food stores. Is it work to pit them?
> Yes, but they are *so* much better than those bland canned olives.
>
I have no clue what an International food store is. I don't think we have
them here. I happen to like the Black Pearl brand as does my daughter. I
can get refrigerated olives at some stores here. Similar to what is on the
olive bars. I like them but... My stomach doesn't do well with them. I
surmised that it might be the fat content. I eat them and they come right
back up.

So... We eat what we like.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/27/2014 6:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> You live where it's warm though.
>
> What does that matter? Ever hear of refrigerated trucks?

Of course! But I am telling you that okra is not usually sold here. You
can get frozen or pickled but rarely fresh. People wouldn't know what to do
with it here. We just don't eat that kind of food. Most people here also
don't eat grits either.

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/27/2014 6:34 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 4/27/2014 6:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You live where it's warm though.
>>
>> What does that matter? Ever hear of refrigerated trucks?
>>
>>
> I don't know about the farmer's markets in Julie's area, but here at our
> local farmer's market, in the heart of Missouri, all produce must be
> locally grown, nothing imported from anywhere. Of course, there are tons
> of veggies grown around here.
>
That's what Farmer's Markets are. Farmers selling their wares. Common
things to buy here are cherries and strawberries. Never okra. It just
doesn't grow here. We grew tons of it in Wichita. Okra needs heat. Common
in the South and Midwest but not common here.

I think sometimes we assume that because we eat a lot of something in our
area, people elsewhere eat it as well. Just try to feed a dinner guest some
black eyed peas or hominy here. They won't like you! Unless perhaps they
were born somewhere where these foods were common. Most people just don't
eat them here. Hominy is becoming easier to find in the stores though,
perhaps because Mexican food is becoming more and more popular. But black
eyed peas are hard to find. Winco sells them but a lot of stores do not.

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/26/2014 10:14 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> What do you think canned vegetables are? Fried?
>>
> +1
>
Hardly. They are not at all the same as fresh ones. Believe me, I can cook
fresh ones to death and Angela can tell that they are not canned. She will
only eat canned. And that's fine by me because I can get them for cheap.

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/27/2014 1:04 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> I agree. When I was growing up in the 1950's there was mostly canned
>> available. I hated canned vegetables, except maybe corn. My mother
>> would buy fresh ones in the summer and I'd eat them raw. I also ate raw
>> peas, freshly shelled, raw turnip, raw carrots, raw broccoli, raw
>> cauliflower, etc. When frozen vegetables became available she bought
>> them and I ate them.
>
> This post made me laugh! When I was a kid the only kinds of gardens the
> neighbors kept were flower gardens. We had one neighbor, though, who grew
> peas. I'm not sure if they were deliberately cultivated, or were once
> planted them let to "go wild" but there always seemed to be an abundance
> of peas when we'd sneak into her yard to liberate a vast quantity of peas.
> Then we'd sit and pig out on raw peas.
>
> What a treat that was!!! (I honestly believe the neighbor knew we were
> helping ourselves to her peas, but she never said a word. She had no
> other veggies in her 'garden.')
>
We had a very large garden in Wichita and my one set of grandparents had a
farm. We did not live in the downtown area so everyone around us grew
vegetables and fruit.

But when we moved here, we tried the garden and boy was it a lot more work!
Because our soil is very rocky, it was necessary to dig it up and sift it
every year before planting. My dad would pay all of the neighborhood kids
to help us and we helped them with their gardens. The dads got together and
made some sturdy sifters with hardware cloth on wooden frames that we would
set on top of wheelbarrows. Usually took a good two weeks of prep work
before we could begin planting.

Our garden here was much smaller than what we had in Wichita. We always had
peas, radishes and lettuce. Also had berries although they were grown in
separate places and never enough to suit my parents as we always went to the
U Pick farms. We kids also went into the surrounding woods for blackberries
and huckleberries. But our huckleberries are different. Very tiny, and a
bright, pinkish red and tart. Excellent for pies but a full day of picking
rarely yielded enough for two pies even with several kids picking. I
usually had to mix them with some apples. The end result was still quite
good.

I quit growing stuff here when I discovered that the organic heirloom
tomatoes I was growing tasted no different than the ordinary stuff I got at
the grocery store. I used to be able to tell a difference but it wasn't
just me. My SIL loves tomatoes and even she couldn't tell the difference.
So it just wasn't worth the time and effort. I did love growing green
onions though. Those were quite handy to have. Also the cilantro and
parsley.

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> dsi1 > wrote in
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>> On 4/27/2014 7:22 AM, Winters_Lackey wrote:
>>> dsi1 > wrote in
>>> news:ljhnc6$fci$1@dont- email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My son makes a dish with 2 cans of green beans, 2 cans of tuna, and
>>>> some cheese. My wife says it's pretty good. He goes through a bunch
>>>> of green beans using this dish. It's a strange dish alright but the
>>>> whole point of it is that it's low calorie. I wish he made something
>>>> less green beany. Me and green beans go back a long way and it's
>>>> been mostly rocky relationship. That's the breaks.
>>>
>>> Your son's dish makes Julie's sound really good by comparison.
>>>
>>
>> My son is not a cook. What's your excuse? :-)
>>
> He is obviously not, and that's OK. Up until the last few years, my wife
> was not either. I wasn't insulting *him*, but his concoction. Also, it
> isn't all that low calorie because of the cheese, but it certainly is low
> carb. Very, very low glycemic index, however aesthetically unappealing.
> Depending on the cheese:tuna ratio, it is either concentrated protein, or
> well balanced between protein and fat.
>
I actually considered making that for Angela but I don't think she would
like it because of the cheese. Although she loves cheese, she doesn't like
it in things.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...

> Don't make any disparaging remarks about me or my family and we'll get
> along just spiffy. My son knows exactly what the caloric count and fat
> content of this dish is. That's the whole reason he makes it.

I have made things that would appall some people here. If we have dietary
restrictions, we have to make do with what we can eat. I used to make a
dish of canned tomatoes with juice (Italian seasoned if I had them) and
cheese. Mixed together in a small casserole and nuked until the cheese
became firm. Let cool slightly and eat. I used Italian cheese when I had
it but wasn't too particular about it. Gave me the taste of pizza without
the carbs.

When I made French Onion soup, I made the soup part the correct way but
rather than adding a lot of bread or croutons and baking it in the oven, I
put a very few toasted bread cubes (or just left them out) in the bottom of
the bowl, added cheese then ladled the soup over. I was the only one eating
this and the end result tasted just fine to me!

I also made bean dip and served it with chunks of raw bell pepper rather
than tortilla chips.

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>> Julie, you are diabetic, and eating mashed potatoes is just dumb.
>
> Being diabetic doesn't mean eating a small amount of mashed potatoes is
> "just dumb." As part of a well balanced diet carbs are necessary. Now, a
> pile the size of Devil's Tower would be wrong...

Exactly! A problem I do have is making a small amount of mashed potatoes.
Sometimes I can manage to pull it off but I usually have leftovers. Which
actually isn't a really big problem because someone will usually eat them
later. Or I can use them if I want for something like Shepherd's pie.

I just wish I could eat Lobscouse again. And no not the stuff that normally
goes by that name. I got the recipe from a war era cookbook that was put
out by the British government. It was canned tomatoes, snipped and in their
juice, heated in a pan with some butter (if you had it) and cheddar cheese
served hot over a big pile of mashed potatoes. Oh my was that ever good! I
made it for my FIL once and he loved it too. He and I had very similar
tastes in food except that I love onions and he hated them.

"Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
...
> DreadfulBitch > wrote in news:ljk6hr$hju$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>>>> Julie, you are diabetic, and eating mashed potatoes is just dumb.
>>
>> Being diabetic doesn't mean eating a small amount of mashed potatoes is
>> "just dumb." As part of a well balanced diet carbs are necessary. Now,
>> a pile the size of Devil's Tower would be wrong...
>>
>
> Starches are not necessary, though with all of Julie's other dietary
> restrictions, they might well be.

My dietician does say that carbs are necessary. For me though, starches are
the things I best digest and when I am digesting, my BG will be lower. I do
have to be careful not to eat too many carbs though.

My worst and most consistent numbers came about when I attempted low
carbing. My blood sugar remained around 300-320 all of the time. It was
only after I wised up and add some carbs back into my diet that my numbers
dropped.

Remember, there are over 300 variants to diabetes. One meal plan does not
fit all.

On 4/27/2014 9:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/26/2014 10:14 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think canned vegetables are? Fried?
>>>
>> +1
>>
> Hardly. They are not at all the same as fresh ones.

I believe that's because fresh green beans haven't absorbed salt from
the liquid in a can. I much prefer fresh beans, especially with sliced
and toasted almonds. yum!

--
DreadfulBitch

There is no love more sincere than the love of food.
....George Bernard Shaw

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/27/2014 9:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/26/2014 10:14 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you think canned vegetables are? Fried?
>>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>> Hardly. They are not at all the same as fresh ones.
>
> I believe that's because fresh green beans haven't absorbed salt from the
> liquid in a can. I much prefer fresh beans, especially with sliced and
> toasted almonds. yum!

Well lucky you. Neither Angela nor I can eat almonds.

On 4/27/2014 9:49 PM, Julie Bove wrote:


> That's what Farmer's Markets are. Farmers selling their wares.

Well, no shit, Sherlock!

--
DreadfulBitch

There is no love more sincere than the love of food.
....George Bernard Shaw

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/27/2014 9:49 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
>> That's what Farmer's Markets are. Farmers selling their wares.
>
> Well, no shit, Sherlock!

You are ruuuuuuuuuuude! Which is exactly why nothing would be sold there
that came from a refrigerated truck.

On 4/27/2014 5:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Don't make any disparaging remarks about me or my family and we'll get
>> along just spiffy. My son knows exactly what the caloric count and fat
>> content of this dish is. That's the whole reason he makes it.
>
> I have made things that would appall some people here. If we have
> dietary restrictions, we have to make do with what we can eat. I used
> to make a dish of canned tomatoes with juice (Italian seasoned if I had
> them) and cheese. Mixed together in a small casserole and nuked until
> the cheese became firm. Let cool slightly and eat. I used Italian
> cheese when I had it but wasn't too particular about it. Gave me the
> taste of pizza without the carbs.
>
> When I made French Onion soup, I made the soup part the correct way but
> rather than adding a lot of bread or croutons and baking it in the oven,
> I put a very few toasted bread cubes (or just left them out) in the
> bottom of the bowl, added cheese then ladled the soup over. I was the
> only one eating this and the end result tasted just fine to me!
>
> I also made bean dip and served it with chunks of raw bell pepper
> rather than tortilla chips.

My son also makes a dish with spaghetti squash, tuna, and cheese. He's
on a diet and is counting calories. He also made cauliflower crust
pizza. If need be, he can cook low calorie dishes. I never cook that way
myself.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/27/2014 5:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Don't make any disparaging remarks about me or my family and we'll get
>>> along just spiffy. My son knows exactly what the caloric count and fat
>>> content of this dish is. That's the whole reason he makes it.
>>
>> I have made things that would appall some people here. If we have
>> dietary restrictions, we have to make do with what we can eat. I used
>> to make a dish of canned tomatoes with juice (Italian seasoned if I had
>> them) and cheese. Mixed together in a small casserole and nuked until
>> the cheese became firm. Let cool slightly and eat. I used Italian
>> cheese when I had it but wasn't too particular about it. Gave me the
>> taste of pizza without the carbs.
>>
>> When I made French Onion soup, I made the soup part the correct way but
>> rather than adding a lot of bread or croutons and baking it in the oven,
>> I put a very few toasted bread cubes (or just left them out) in the
>> bottom of the bowl, added cheese then ladled the soup over. I was the
>> only one eating this and the end result tasted just fine to me!
>>
>> I also made bean dip and served it with chunks of raw bell pepper
>> rather than tortilla chips.
>
> My son also makes a dish with spaghetti squash, tuna, and cheese. He's on
> a diet and is counting calories. He also made cauliflower crust pizza. If
> need be, he can cook low calorie dishes. I never cook that way myself.

I once did 1,000 calories per day and low fat. I did lose weight but I
always felt like I was starving and exhausted. Breakfast was almost always
some muffins with no sugar, oil or egg yolk and just enough batter to hold
the dried fruit and nuts together. Lunch was either three types of veggies
or once in a while, two small pitas with tuna salad. Dinner was either
pasta or tostadas or a big huge salad.

In retrospect, the diet was lacking in protein.

Cooking low calorie stuff isn't really hard to do. But I know now there is
a lot more to diet than just low calorie.