On 2014-04-30 1:10 PM, graham wrote:

>>
> The trouble is that so many quacks call themselves "Dr" that unless you
> see "MD" or "Ph.D" after their names, you must question any of their
> statements/assertions. Obviously this doesn't apply to august groups
> such as the Heart Foundation or any other well-established medical charity.
> Graham


It is interesting to see such divergent views about dietary issues.
Some people blame dietary fat for clogged arteries. Some blame the
sugars that the body uses to produce it's own fat. Experts have their
views and there are large organizations that support them. They think
they have the research to back up their beliefs. Some say to afford
dairy fat, and others say that the problem is homogenization. Some time
ago there were people here pushing coconut as some sort of wonder food.
I was given a list of foods to eat and foods to avoid. It said to eat
lots of fruit ..... but in bold capitals... NOT COCONUT.

People should read White Coat "Black Hat: Adventures on the Dark Side of
Medicine " to get some insight into the way medical and drug research is
done. Aside from choosing which research actually gets published, there
are a number of problems with the research being done and the way
doctors are being swayed by articles. A lot of the articles are
actually ghost written by authors.... scientific writers, not doctors.
Then they pay a real doctor to use his name. When you see the name of a
very well known doctor's name on a research article, having his name
there may be his only connection to the research.

On 30/04/2014 11:27 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-04-30 1:10 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>>
>> The trouble is that so many quacks call themselves "Dr" that unless you
>> see "MD" or "Ph.D" after their names, you must question any of their
>> statements/assertions. Obviously this doesn't apply to august groups
>> such as the Heart Foundation or any other well-established medical
>> charity.
>> Graham
>
>
> It is interesting to see such divergent views about dietary issues. Some
> people blame dietary fat for clogged arteries. Some blame the sugars
> that the body uses to produce it's own fat. Experts have their views and
> there are large organizations that support them. They think they have
> the research to back up their beliefs. Some say to afford dairy fat, and
> others say that the problem is homogenization. Some time ago there were
> people here pushing coconut as some sort of wonder food. I was given a
> list of foods to eat and foods to avoid. It said to eat lots of fruit
> ..... but in bold capitals... NOT COCONUT.
>
> People should read White Coat "Black Hat: Adventures on the Dark Side of
> Medicine " to get some insight into the way medical and drug research is
> done. Aside from choosing which research actually gets published, there
> are a number of problems with the research being done and the way
> doctors are being swayed by articles. A lot of the articles are
> actually ghost written by authors.... scientific writers, not doctors.
> Then they pay a real doctor to use his name. When you see the name of a
> very well known doctor's name on a research article, having his name
> there may be his only connection to the research.
>
>
I am well aware of what goes on in academia having published
peer-reviewed research papers.
However, when it comes to the fields of medicine and nutrition, there
are so many quacks out there these days giving false and misleading
information that certain factions of the general public (J.B.
Priestley's "Admass") believe WITHOUT question.
This morning in the local library, I happened to get into conversation
with a middle-aged woman on the subject of baking, which morphed into
anti-vaxxers.
She says she can't eat gluten-containing products any more because the
modern strains of wheat have changed the gluten. This is crap that she
picked up from those quack books and, of course, the fountain of all
truth - the internet. this morphed into adjuvants in vaccines and it was
clear that she believed all the lies propounded by the disciples of
Andrew Wakefield.
I then noticed the mag-card hanging from her neck - she was from a
nearby chropracter's clinic so her gullibility was hardly surprising.
Graham

On Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:55:53 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> I saw one link then others. There are some foods that made more than one
>
> list.
>
>
>
> http://theinterrobang.com/2012/03/am...ut-foreigners/
>
>
>
> http://nutrition.answers.com/diets/1...n-apos-t-stand
>
>
>
> http://www.restaurants.com/blog/10-a...ut-foreigners/
>
>
>
> http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating...hat_are_as.php
>
>
>
> http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2008/07...have-invented/
>
>
>
> The grits seemed like a weird one to me as they are so similar to polenta..
>
> But... I also know that even in America, many people don't or won't eat
>
> grits. They are not commonly served here.
>
>
>
> Corndogs always smelled good and I liked the other coating so long as it
>
> isn't the part touching the hotdog. I can't stand hotdogs.
>
>
>
> I attempted to eat a Philly Cheesesteak once. I didn't get beyond that
>
> first bite. Blech!

I've never had any of the above. As for Philly Cheesesteak, I think it's a waste of good rib eye. They should figure out a different way to make it. Maybe slow roast an eye of round(it can be done; especially wrapped in bacon), and warm it up on the griddle.
One thing I do not like about US cuisine is Goulash. I would expect a Hungarian Goulash. But it ain't so. The Goulash you get in the US is a hamburger and tomato concoction. No paprika allowed. Maybe it's tasty, but it sure isn't Hungarian style Goulash. I've never seen that here in Canada.
As far as I know, Philly CheeseSteak is ribeye chopped up with Cheeze Whiz on it. I'm sure it's tasty, but the rib eye would make it expensive. At least here in this neck of the woods.

On 4/30/2014 4:32 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> I've never had any of the above.

Shut up Nazi, no one wants to hear one more word from you - anywhere!


>

"I admire the Zell character in 'Marathon Man.' Except for the end part
where he gets humiliated and has to eat his diamonds.
I'm a Nazi.
Really."

On Monday, April 28, 2014 2:59:58 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 28/04/2014 11:40 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> > On 4/28/2014 11:39 AM, Janet wrote:
>
> >> In article >, says...
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I saw one link then others. There are some foods that made more than
>
> >>> one
>
> >>> list.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> http://theinterrobang.com/2012/03/am...ut-foreigners/
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> Anybody who classifies mayonnaise, or bacon and eggs for breakfast, as
>
> >> "American" foods needs to get out more.
>
> >>
>
> > I wonder, do people in other countries use mayonnaise instead of butter
>
> > in a sandwich? I don't happen to like it but others seem to.
>
> >
>
>
>
> My ex used to insist on using it. I hated it!
>
> Graham

I no longer like store bought mayo. It is just too salty and crap like. I'm not a big fan of mayo, but the next time I crave it, or need it, I'm going to make my own.

On 4/30/2014 4:37 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> I no longer like store bought mayo.


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On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:45:19 +1000, John J > wrote:

> Yes, it seems dangerous to ignore established medical science and
> follow a quack school of medicine. Even if the establishment isn't
> always 100% right.

That's the beauty of continued research. Think about how cancer was
treated 50 years ago and how real doctors treat it now.


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On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:45:19 +1000, John J > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:36:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>By whose definition?
>>> >>
>>> >>The Heart Foundation.
>>> >
>>> >Oh, those idiots?
>>>
>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>
>>It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>conduct research on the subject.
>
>Yes, it seems dangerous to ignore established medical science and
>follow a quack school of medicine. Even if the establishment isn't
>always 100% right.

I'm not going to debate you as it would be a pointless exercise.

Just because I don't agree with saturated fats being harmful, it
follows that I must also agree with anything that is fringe or from a
'quack school of medicine', does it?

I'll tell you what, don't bother replying to me any more if you're
going to be a smug little dickhead about something just because you
don't agree with it.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
> > >>>
> > >>>By whose definition?
> > >>
> > >>The Heart Foundation.
> > >
> > >Oh, those idiots?
> >
> > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>
> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
> conduct research on the subject.

Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.

Janet

On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>> > >>>
>> > >>>By whose definition?
>> > >>
>> > >>The Heart Foundation.
>> > >
>> > >Oh, those idiots?
>> >
>> > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>
>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>> conduct research on the subject.
>
> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.

She specialises in irony. But it seems you've already noticed that

On Thu, 01 May 2014 10:39:34 +1000, John J > wrote:

>On Thu, 01 May 2014 09:50:15 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:45:19 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:36:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>By whose definition?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>The Heart Foundation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Oh, those idiots?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>
>>>>It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>>>an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>>>conduct research on the subject.
>>>
>>>Yes, it seems dangerous to ignore established medical science and
>>>follow a quack school of medicine. Even if the establishment isn't
>>>always 100% right.
>>
>>I'm not going to debate you as it would be a pointless exercise.
>>
>>Just because I don't agree with saturated fats being harmful, it
>>follows that I must also agree with anything that is fringe or from a
>>'quack school of medicine', does it?
>>
>>I'll tell you what, don't bother replying to me any more if you're
>>going to be a smug little dickhead about something just because you
>>don't agree with it.
>
>You call mainstream doctors 'idiots' but when I call your dudes
>'quacks', you get all offended.

My 'dudes'? Who the **** are my 'dudes'? Are we supporting two
different sport teams, are we? Just because I don't agree with
mainstream medical opinion on this issue, you keep implying I
therefore support any other non-mainstream opinion.

>Double standards: check

You absolute hypocrite. Seems to go with the territory with
vegetarians who like the taste of meat.

>Short fuse: check

You're lucky we weren't discussing this IRL, if you want to see what a
short fuse is. My last reply to you and I won't see any reply from you
either.

On 4/30/2014 11:36 AM, sf wrote:

>>
>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>
> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
> conduct research on the subject.
>
>

But, sometimes they do.

Coffee bad, coffee good. alcohol bad, alcohol good. eggs bad, eggs good.

I make decisions based on what m doctor tells me and suggests, but final
decision is mine.

Well we aint Eyetalians so we dont know what is polenta..but its way closer to corn meal mush than to grits. Get a grip here.

On Thu, 01 May 2014 10:39:34 +1000, John J > wrote:

> On Thu, 01 May 2014 09:50:15 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:45:19 +1000, John J > wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:36:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>By whose definition?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>The Heart Foundation.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Oh, those idiots?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
> >>>
> >>>It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
> >>>an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
> >>>conduct research on the subject.
> >>
> >>Yes, it seems dangerous to ignore established medical science and
> >>follow a quack school of medicine. Even if the establishment isn't
> >>always 100% right.
> >
> >I'm not going to debate you as it would be a pointless exercise.
> >
> >Just because I don't agree with saturated fats being harmful, it
> >follows that I must also agree with anything that is fringe or from a
> >'quack school of medicine', does it?
> >
> >I'll tell you what, don't bother replying to me any more if you're
> >going to be a smug little dickhead about something just because you
> >don't agree with it.
>
> You call mainstream doctors 'idiots' but when I call your dudes
> 'quacks', you get all offended.
>
> Double standards: check
> Short fuse: check

Oh, my! Now you've done it.


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>By whose definition?
> > > >>
> > > >>The Heart Foundation.
> > > >
> > > >Oh, those idiots?
> > >
> > > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
> >
> > It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
> > an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
> > conduct research on the subject.
>
> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>
"My" doctors? They know what causes normal iron deficiencies and what
to do about it. If you're talking about someone you know who has been
iron deficient in spite of everything doctors say to do, wait. I bet
cancer is on the horizon. That happened to my mother, so it's not an
unfounded guess on my part.


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On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 4/30/2014 11:36 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
> >
> > It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
> > an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
> > conduct research on the subject.
> >
> >
>
> But, sometimes they do.
>
> Coffee bad, coffee good. alcohol bad, alcohol good. eggs bad, eggs good.
>
> I make decisions based on what m doctor tells me and suggests, but final
> decision is mine.

You are allowed to make an educated (or not so educated) decision
because you're not anyone's chattel.


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>
>>> By whose definition?
>>>
>> Probably most people who are not Canadian.
>>
>> I don't think the original sandwich had any condiments on it at all.
>> Just meat and bread.
>
> You mean like in the past centuries?

The one that the Earl of Sandwich ate.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:57:44 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>> >>
>> >> By whose definition?
>> >>
>> > Probably most people who are not Canadian.
>> >
>> > I don't think the original sandwich had any condiments on it at all.
>> > Just
>> > meat and bread.
>>
>> You mean like in the past centuries?
>
> Hubby calls that "a good deli sandwich": two pieces of bread with meat
> piled high.
> http://newyork.seriouseats.com/image...lfsandwich.jpg
>
Mine likes mustard on his. And perhaps things like hot peppers and cheese
in addition to the meat but he can do without the other veggies.

"graham" > wrote in message
...

> The trouble is that so many quacks call themselves "Dr" that unless you
> see "MD" or "Ph.D" after their names, you must question any of their
> statements/assertions. Obviously this doesn't apply to august groups such
> as the Heart Foundation or any other well-established medical charity.
> Graham

That and also many of us have tangled with Drs. who haven't got a clue.
Like the one I saw as kid. I had a sprained ankle. He told me to hop on
down and come for an X Ray. When I didn't get right up, he said, "Oh yeah!
You can't hop. Can you?" So as I hobbled down to the X Ray room in my bare
feet, a nurse shrieked. Seems that a test tube had just been broken on the
floor where I was walking. Luckily, no glass got into my feet.

Then after the sprain was confirmed, he told me that I needed to get one of
those... And then with a dumb look on his face, he made motions with his
hands. For a very long time! Finally, my mom said, "An Ace bandage?" Yep.

I could see him forgetting the word for it. People do that but... Couldn't
he at least have said something like... One of those flesh colored stretchy
bandages with clips to wrap the ankle in?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Can't tell you how many times I was
told that my labs came back fine, or my daughter's labs were fine when
clearly they were not. So I would point out the anemia or whatever it was
and the Dr. would say, "Oh yeah! You need to take some Ferro Sequels..."
Or whatever supplement was needed. Or prescription.

Then there were all of the Drs. I saw in the Bay area and there were many,
who told me that my stasis dermatitis (blood leaked under the skin due to
venous insufficiency) was just plain dermatitis, eczema or even psoriasis.
Kept prescribing steroid creams and diuretics instead of compression hose!

Thankfully the first Dr. I saw in NY knew exactly what it was as did all of
the others and I was sent to a vascular surgeon.

Oh and then there was my diabetes that was not diagnosed because the tests I
was given were a 24 hour urine collection and a fasting finger stick. I was
eating the Exchange Plan (which used to be a diabetic diet) so was
unwittingly controlling my blood sugar with that.

I could go on and on. Drs. are not perfect. Only House is and he's not
real.

"A Moose in Love" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:55:53 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> I saw one link then others. There are some foods that made more than one
>
> list.
>
>
>
> http://theinterrobang.com/2012/03/am...ut-foreigners/
>
>
>
> http://nutrition.answers.com/diets/1...n-apos-t-stand
>
>
>
> http://www.restaurants.com/blog/10-a...ut-foreigners/
>
>
>
> http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating...hat_are_as.php
>
>
>
> http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2008/07...have-invented/
>
>
>
> The grits seemed like a weird one to me as they are so similar to polenta.
>
> But... I also know that even in America, many people don't or won't eat
>
> grits. They are not commonly served here.
>
>
>
> Corndogs always smelled good and I liked the other coating so long as it
>
> isn't the part touching the hotdog. I can't stand hotdogs.
>
>
>
> I attempted to eat a Philly Cheesesteak once. I didn't get beyond that
>
> first bite. Blech!

I've never had any of the above. As for Philly Cheesesteak, I think it's a
waste of good rib eye. They should figure out a different way to make it.
Maybe slow roast an eye of round(it can be done; especially wrapped in
bacon), and warm it up on the griddle.
One thing I do not like about US cuisine is Goulash. I would expect a
Hungarian Goulash. But it ain't so. The Goulash you get in the US is a
hamburger and tomato concoction. No paprika allowed. Maybe it's tasty, but
it sure isn't Hungarian style Goulash. I've never seen that here in Canada.
As far as I know, Philly CheeseSteak is ribeye chopped up with Cheeze Whiz
on it. I'm sure it's tasty, but the rib eye would make it expensive. At
least here in this neck of the woods.

---

I have seen recipes that call that stuff Goulash. We made it but with chili
powder and called it spaghetti red. Ours was made with macaroni.

I have had real Goulash. I have a friend who is Hungarian/Italian.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>>says...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>By whose definition?
>>> > >>
>>> > >>The Heart Foundation.
>>> > >
>>> > >Oh, those idiots?
>>> >
>>> > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>
>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>
>> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>
> She specialises in irony. But it seems you've already noticed that

Irony must be a UK thing. You rarely even hear the word here. But I used
to moderate an online forum and the UK people were constantly going on about
it.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>> > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>By whose definition?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>The Heart Foundation.
>> > > >
>> > > >Oh, those idiots?
>> > >
>> > > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>> >
>> > It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>> > an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>> > conduct research on the subject.
>>
>> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>>
> "My" doctors? They know what causes normal iron deficiencies and what
> to do about it. If you're talking about someone you know who has been
> iron deficient in spite of everything doctors say to do, wait. I bet
> cancer is on the horizon. That happened to my mother, so it's not an
> unfounded guess on my part.

See your EYE Dr.! She said IRONY!

On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:04:26 PM UTC-4, John J wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>
> Mainstream medecine doesn't have all the answers yet, but listening to
>
> medical kooks is dangerous in my opinion. Before you know it, you'll
>
> be living on a diet of raw seal blubber because Eskimos are such
>
> healthy people.

When I was marooned on Ellesmere Island, I lived on raw seal and walrus. Wild caught. I gained 18 pounds of muscle, lost most of my body fat, and grew new teeth that were previously lost. My liver got so small, that x rays no longer detect it. I can run down a full grown African lion and kill it with my bare hands. Cheetahs are a harder catch, but on a good day I can kill one with a thrown stone.

>
>
>
> --
>
> John

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:12:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>>> > > >wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>By whose definition?
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>The Heart Foundation.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Oh, those idiots?
>>> > >
>>> > > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>> >
>>> > It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>> > an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>> > conduct research on the subject.
>>>
>>> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>>>
>> "My" doctors? They know what causes normal iron deficiencies and what
>> to do about it. If you're talking about someone you know who has been
>> iron deficient in spite of everything doctors say to do, wait. I bet
>> cancer is on the horizon. That happened to my mother, so it's not an
>> unfounded guess on my part.
>
>See your EYE Dr.! She said IRONY!

Seriously, that was pure irony in of itself!

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:11:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>>says...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>By whose definition?
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>The Heart Foundation.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Oh, those idiots?
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>
>>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>>
>>> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>>
>> She specialises in irony. But it seems you've already noticed that
>
>Irony must be a UK thing. You rarely even hear the word here. But I used
>to moderate an online forum and the UK people were constantly going on about
>it.

I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
not a criticism, just a fact of life.

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/30/2014 11:36 AM, sf wrote:
>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>
>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>> conduct research on the subject.
>
>But, sometimes they do.
>
>Coffee bad, coffee good. alcohol bad, alcohol good. eggs bad, eggs good.
>
>I make decisions based on what m doctor tells me and suggests, but final
>decision is mine.

Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
pharmaceuticals though...

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:11:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article >,
>>>>says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>>>>> > >wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>By whose definition?
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>The Heart Foundation.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >Oh, those idiots?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>>
>>>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>>>
>>> She specialises in irony. But it seems you've already noticed that
>>
>>Irony must be a UK thing. You rarely even hear the word here. But I used
>>to moderate an online forum and the UK people were constantly going on
>>about
>>it.
>
> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
> not a criticism, just a fact of life.

I love a lot of the Britcoms and there used to be one that I think was
Australian called "Mother and Son". I was trying to tell my elderly
neighbor about it but she saw no humor, perhaps because she thought it was
poking fun at elderly people. It wasn't really poking fun at all elderly
people. Just the guy's mother. And she did some nutty things like putting
the electric tea kettle on the stove burner.

"A Moose in Love" > wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:04:26 PM UTC-4, John J wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>
> Mainstream medecine doesn't have all the answers yet, but listening to
>
> medical kooks is dangerous in my opinion. Before you know it, you'll
>
> be living on a diet of raw seal blubber because Eskimos are such
>
> healthy people.

When I was marooned on Ellesmere Island, I lived on raw seal and walrus.
Wild caught. I gained 18 pounds of muscle, lost most of my body fat, and
grew new teeth that were previously lost. My liver got so small, that x
rays no longer detect it. I can run down a full grown African lion and kill
it with my bare hands. Cheetahs are a harder catch, but on a good day I can
kill one with a thrown stone.

Really? I know that some raw vegans claim that they grew new teeth but I
never believed them.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 4/30/2014 11:36 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>
>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>
>>But, sometimes they do.
>>
>>Coffee bad, coffee good. alcohol bad, alcohol good. eggs bad, eggs good.
>>
>>I make decisions based on what m doctor tells me and suggests, but final
>>decision is mine.
>
> Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
> the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
> pharmaceuticals though...

I must agree with you there!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/30/2014 11:36 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>
>>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>>
>>>But, sometimes they do.
>>>
>>>Coffee bad, coffee good. alcohol bad, alcohol good. eggs bad, eggs
>>>good.
>>>
>>>I make decisions based on what m doctor tells me and suggests, but final
>>>decision is mine.
>>
>> Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
>> the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
>> pharmaceuticals though...
>
> I must agree with you there!

As do I.

Cheri

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:44:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:11:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article >,
>>>>>says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>>>>>> > >wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>>By whose definition?
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>The Heart Foundation.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >Oh, those idiots?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>>>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>>>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>>>>
>>>> She specialises in irony. But it seems you've already noticed that
>>>
>>>Irony must be a UK thing. You rarely even hear the word here. But I used
>>>to moderate an online forum and the UK people were constantly going on
>>>about
>>>it.
>>
>> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
>> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
>> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
>> not a criticism, just a fact of life.
>
>I love a lot of the Britcoms and there used to be one that I think was
>Australian called "Mother and Son".

I have all the episodes
Yes, Australian.

> I was trying to tell my elderly
>neighbor about it but she saw no humor, perhaps because she thought it was
>poking fun at elderly people. It wasn't really poking fun at all elderly
>people. Just the guy's mother. And she did some nutty things like putting
>the electric tea kettle on the stove burner.

Yep. The humour is very dry and loaded with irony. It certainly wasn't
down on the elderly (she could be cunning as a fox anyway at times).
It was made in the 1980's (or was it early 90's?) and is still as
funny as ever. In fact, I don't know of any modern comedies/sitcoms I
like. It's hysterically funny at times and now that you've mention it,
I may dig out the DVDs and watch it again

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:45:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"A Moose in Love" > wrote in message
...
>On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:04:26 PM UTC-4, John J wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mainstream medecine doesn't have all the answers yet, but listening to
>>
>> medical kooks is dangerous in my opinion. Before you know it, you'll
>>
>> be living on a diet of raw seal blubber because Eskimos are such
>>
>> healthy people.
>
>When I was marooned on Ellesmere Island, I lived on raw seal and walrus.
>Wild caught. I gained 18 pounds of muscle, lost most of my body fat, and
>grew new teeth that were previously lost. My liver got so small, that x
>rays no longer detect it. I can run down a full grown African lion and kill
>it with my bare hands. Cheetahs are a harder catch, but on a good day I can
>kill one with a thrown stone.
>
>Really? I know that some raw vegans claim that they grew new teeth but I
>never believed them.

The whoosh-mobile must need a new tank of gas after some of the posts
here today

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:44:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:11:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article >,

>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>>>>>>> > >wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>By whose definition?
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>The Heart Foundation.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >Oh, those idiots?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
>>>>>
>>>>> She specialises in irony. But it seems you've already noticed that
>>>>
>>>>Irony must be a UK thing. You rarely even hear the word here. But I
>>>>used
>>>>to moderate an online forum and the UK people were constantly going on
>>>>about
>>>>it.
>>>
>>> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
>>> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
>>> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
>>> not a criticism, just a fact of life.
>>
>>I love a lot of the Britcoms and there used to be one that I think was
>>Australian called "Mother and Son".
>
> I have all the episodes
> Yes, Australian.
>
>> I was trying to tell my elderly
>>neighbor about it but she saw no humor, perhaps because she thought it was
>>poking fun at elderly people. It wasn't really poking fun at all elderly
>>people. Just the guy's mother. And she did some nutty things like
>>putting
>>the electric tea kettle on the stove burner.
>
> Yep. The humour is very dry and loaded with irony. It certainly wasn't
> down on the elderly (she could be cunning as a fox anyway at times).
> It was made in the 1980's (or was it early 90's?) and is still as
> funny as ever. In fact, I don't know of any modern comedies/sitcoms I
> like. It's hysterically funny at times and now that you've mention it,
> I may dig out the DVDs and watch it again

I don't know of any modern ones either. I loved the British version of The
Office but the American one fell flat for me. I liked Fry and Laurie that
aired a few years back and there was another one on at the same time with a
little red haired man who liked to play pathetic characters. One of the
skits was him working in a suit shop and he would tell the customers, "Suits
you sir!" But my all time favorites have to be Are you Being Served,
Neighbors or perhaps it was Good Neighbors or The Good Life, To The Manor
Born, Keeping Up Appearances, One Foot in the Grave and Butterflies. They
just don't make shows like that any more. Oh and Fawlty Towers! Great but
too few episodes. Also liked Mr. Bean. Just not the movies and Black
Adder.

I liked Ab Fab for a while but soon one episode began to blend in with
another and most of the plots (if you could call them plots) just seemed to
be almost the same.

Never could quite get into The Vicar of Dibley or the other show that the
one woman was on. Name escapes me but she is the large woman with dark
hair. Couldn't get into Father Ted either as they all seemed rather stupid
to me. Or the other show that the one guy was on where he was really an
alien. I wanted to like 'Allo 'Allo. Although some bits were funny, most
episodes left me wondering why I had watched the whole thing once again.
Then again, I didn't have cable in those days. Heh. And I liked some
aspects of The Young Ones but the one character was always in such a foul
mood. I also liked Waiting For God although I didn't find it to be
particularly funny.

I don't even watch BBC America any more. They seem to show a lot of things
like Star Trek, some sort of car shows, and Sci Fi stuff. I did like The
Mighty Boosh for some reason. Perhaps because the episodes just really made
no sense but the one guy was quite good looking.

Ack. Not too many good things on TV these days. I keep watching reruns of
PBS cooking shows, Cops, Cops reloaded and Jail. Most of these are reruns
but I guess I don't mind them going on in the background. It's not like I
really have to pay attention to them. If I have the TV on during the day,
it's usually on one of court shows.

In article >, says...

> When I was marooned on Ellesmere Island, I lived on raw seal and walrus.
> Wild caught. I gained 18 pounds of muscle, lost most of my body fat, and
> grew new teeth that were previously lost. My liver got so small, that x
> rays no longer detect it. I can run down a full grown African lion and kill
> it with my bare hands. Cheetahs are a harder catch, but on a good day I can
> kill one with a thrown stone.

You're not fooling anyone... the real Julie is allergic to walrus and
her husband/ daughter/ parents/ relatives don't know how to cook seals,
lions etc and won't eat that stuff anyway. Not even those ready-prepared
little snack packets of cheetahmeat she buys in bulk online.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>By whose definition?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>The Heart Foundation.
> > > > >
> > > > >Oh, those idiots?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
> > >
> > > It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
> > > an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
> > > conduct research on the subject.
> >
> > Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
> >
> "My" doctors? They know what causes normal iron deficiencies and what
> to do about it. If you're talking about someone you know who has been
> iron deficient in spite of everything doctors say to do, wait. I bet
> cancer is on the horizon. That happened to my mother, so it's not an
> unfounded guess on my part.

Pssst.. you need a new optometrist.

Janet UK

"John J" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 20:09:13 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 May 2014 10:39:34 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 09:50:15 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:45:19 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:36:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>>> >>>> >wrote:
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>By whose definition?
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>The Heart Foundation.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Oh, those idiots?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>> >>>
>>> >>>It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more
>>> >>>than
>>> >>>an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>> >>>conduct research on the subject.
>>> >>
>>> >>Yes, it seems dangerous to ignore established medical science and
>>> >>follow a quack school of medicine. Even if the establishment isn't
>>> >>always 100% right.
>>> >
>>> >I'm not going to debate you as it would be a pointless exercise.
>>> >
>>> >Just because I don't agree with saturated fats being harmful, it
>>> >follows that I must also agree with anything that is fringe or from a
>>> >'quack school of medicine', does it?
>>> >
>>> >I'll tell you what, don't bother replying to me any more if you're
>>> >going to be a smug little dickhead about something just because you
>>> >don't agree with it.
>>>
>>> You call mainstream doctors 'idiots' but when I call your dudes
>>> 'quacks', you get all offended.
>>>
>>> Double standards: check
>>> Short fuse: check
>>
>>Oh, my! Now you've done it.
>
> Yes Maybe it's a good thing he lives in the Tasmanian hills, away
> from other people. Reduces the chance he meets someone who dares
> disagree with him.

I disagree with him sometimes and we are still friends.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 5/1/2014 1:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:

> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
> not a criticism, just a fact of life.

Actually, it's been my observation/experience that non-Americans
don't get even the most outrageously sarcastic comments. Not
you in particular. I think How can anyone not know that was a
joke? Of course, plenty of the reverse here this morning.

nancy

"John J" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 12:34:29 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"John J" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 20:09:13 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 May 2014 10:39:34 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 09:50:15 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:45:19 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:36:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J >
>>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>>>>> >>>> >wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>By whose definition?
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>The Heart Foundation.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Oh, those idiots?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more
>>>>> >>>than
>>>>> >>>an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field
>>>>> >>>and
>>>>> >>>conduct research on the subject.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Yes, it seems dangerous to ignore established medical science and
>>>>> >>follow a quack school of medicine. Even if the establishment isn't
>>>>> >>always 100% right.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'm not going to debate you as it would be a pointless exercise.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Just because I don't agree with saturated fats being harmful, it
>>>>> >follows that I must also agree with anything that is fringe or from a
>>>>> >'quack school of medicine', does it?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'll tell you what, don't bother replying to me any more if you're
>>>>> >going to be a smug little dickhead about something just because you
>>>>> >don't agree with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You call mainstream doctors 'idiots' but when I call your dudes
>>>>> 'quacks', you get all offended.
>>>>>
>>>>> Double standards: check
>>>>> Short fuse: check
>>>>
>>>>Oh, my! Now you've done it.
>>>
>>> Yes Maybe it's a good thing he lives in the Tasmanian hills, away
>>> from other people. Reduces the chance he meets someone who dares
>>> disagree with him.
>>
>>I disagree with him sometimes and we are still friends.
>
> But has he called you a dickhead and a hypocrite and that "you're
> lucky we weren't discussing this IRL", just because you disagreed with
> His Tasmanian Highness?

No, but I have never abused him either.

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
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> On 5/1/2014 1:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
>> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
>> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
>> not a criticism, just a fact of life.
>
> Actually, it's been my observation/experience that non-Americans
> don't get even the most outrageously sarcastic comments. Not
> you in particular. I think How can anyone not know that was a
> joke? Of course, plenty of the reverse here this morning.

I try to pick my way a bit carefully around here, because I am not in my own
backyard. I feel it is only right to be respectful of the differences (and
wish some others would do the same for me) and while I may not always
succeed, I do try. I try to use terms generally understood because it makes
life easier I won't be abused though and will say my piece when needed
but I do try to remember this is mainly a US group.


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"John J" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 13:33:58 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"John J" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 12:34:29 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John J" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 20:09:13 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 01 May 2014 10:39:34 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 09:50:15 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:45:19 +1000, John J >
>>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:36:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J >
>>>>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J >
>>>>>>> >>>> >wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>>>>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>By whose definition?
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>The Heart Foundation.
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >Oh, those idiots?
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more
>>>>>>> >>>than
>>>>>>> >>>an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field
>>>>>>> >>>and
>>>>>>> >>>conduct research on the subject.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>Yes, it seems dangerous to ignore established medical science and
>>>>>>> >>follow a quack school of medicine. Even if the establishment isn't
>>>>>>> >>always 100% right.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >I'm not going to debate you as it would be a pointless exercise.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Just because I don't agree with saturated fats being harmful, it
>>>>>>> >follows that I must also agree with anything that is fringe or from
>>>>>>> >a
>>>>>>> >'quack school of medicine', does it?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >I'll tell you what, don't bother replying to me any more if you're
>>>>>>> >going to be a smug little dickhead about something just because you
>>>>>>> >don't agree with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You call mainstream doctors 'idiots' but when I call your dudes
>>>>>>> 'quacks', you get all offended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Double standards: check
>>>>>>> Short fuse: check
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh, my! Now you've done it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes Maybe it's a good thing he lives in the Tasmanian hills, away
>>>>> from other people. Reduces the chance he meets someone who dares
>>>>> disagree with him.
>>>>
>>>>I disagree with him sometimes and we are still friends.
>>>
>>> But has he called you a dickhead and a hypocrite and that "you're
>>> lucky we weren't discussing this IRL", just because you disagreed with
>>> His Tasmanian Highness?
>>
>>No, but I have never abused him either.
>
> Neither have I.

I never said you did. I am just saying how I find it.


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