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On 5/1/2014 1:35 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
> the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
> pharmaceuticals though...


Someone sent out a request to the island listserv asking for
recommendations for an internal medicine doc. She compiled the results
and sent out the recommendations.

One name jumped right out at me (he was not the number 1 guy). He was,
for a while, my mother's primary care physician. He had her taking so
many pills I had to buy a pill container to dole out which ones she was
supposed to take (morning, noon, night). It was ridiculous. It got to
the point where she was ditching her pills. She started cancelling
appointments because she didn't want yet another prescription.

I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!

Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.

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On 2014-05-01 9:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> One name jumped right out at me (he was not the number 1 guy). He was,
> for a while, my mother's primary care physician. He had her taking so
> many pills I had to buy a pill container to dole out which ones she was
> supposed to take (morning, noon, night). It was ridiculous. It got to
> the point where she was ditching her pills. She started cancelling
> appointments because she didn't want yet another prescription.


It can be difficult to keep track of medications. It doesn't help that
when you are ill enough to need a lot of medication you are often a
little dopey and confused. Before I was discharged from the hospital
after heart surgery I had a meeting with the pharmacist about all the
medications I was on, and there were a few. Some of them were once a
day, twice a day, three times a day. I had taking something one for
blood pressure, one for cholesterol, one for arrhythmia, warfarin
tablets and injections, pain killers, iron pills and.... thanks to the
medication, stool softeners. Due to the procedure I had been through,
and the pain medication I was pretty dozy.

My wife went over to the pharmacy to get the medications. We got the
generic stuff, so we had a heck of a time matching the various pills to
the list I had been given. The pill organizer was a godsend.



>
> I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
> took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
> only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
> been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!
>
> Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.


Some people like to be medicated. They think they are getting what they
paid for when they went to the doctor. I got myself off most of mine,
and my wife was upset, insisting that I should be taking my medicines.
The first I stopped was the pain medication. As soon as my heart rate
was stabilized I got rid of that one, with my doctor's approval. Since
my heart rate was fine I did not have to take the warfarin, That stuff
is so dangerous that I had to have blood tests first thing every Monday
morning. I had lost some weight and once I got back into my exercise
program my blood pressure was low enough I did not have to take that.
Within a few months I was taking only the cholesterol medication.


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On Thu, 1 May 2014 11:13:33 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:32:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,

> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:06:08 +1000, John J > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:38:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:29:46 +1000, John J > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:46:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>On 4/28/2014 10:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Yikes! Butter and Mayo? Now that is overkill!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>By whose definition?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>The Heart Foundation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Oh, those idiots?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
> > > >
> > > > It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
> > > > an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
> > > > conduct research on the subject.
> > >
> > > Seems your doctors still haven't found a cure for irony deficiency.
> > >

> > "My" doctors? They know what causes normal iron deficiencies and what
> > to do about it. If you're talking about someone you know who has been
> > iron deficient in spite of everything doctors say to do, wait. I bet
> > cancer is on the horizon. That happened to my mother, so it's not an
> > unfounded guess on my part.

>
> Pssst.. you need a new optometrist.
>


I thought you made a typo. There was no irony until you commented.
That crazy Australian actually believes what he says.


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On Thu, 01 May 2014 09:04:24 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/1/2014 1:35 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> > Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
> > the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
> > pharmaceuticals though...

>
> Someone sent out a request to the island listserv asking for
> recommendations for an internal medicine doc. She compiled the results
> and sent out the recommendations.
>
> One name jumped right out at me (he was not the number 1 guy). He was,
> for a while, my mother's primary care physician. He had her taking so
> many pills I had to buy a pill container to dole out which ones she was
> supposed to take (morning, noon, night). It was ridiculous. It got to
> the point where she was ditching her pills. She started cancelling
> appointments because she didn't want yet another prescription.
>
> I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
> took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
> only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
> been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!
>
> Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.
>

It happens to all ages. Maybe not multiple pills, but upping dosage
when they should be eliminating it etc. My son in law was over
medicated with pain pills to the point that his body couldn't handle
pain naturally. It also dulled his sense of hunger so he wasn't
eating. After he got that cr*p out of his system, with zero meds (not
even aspirin) - his pain level is a very manageable 2 on a scale of 10
and he's eating again. That's a good thing.



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On 5/1/2014 8:42 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 5/1/2014 1:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
>>> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
>>> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
>>> not a criticism, just a fact of life.

>>
>> Actually, it's been my observation/experience that non-Americans
>> don't get even the most outrageously sarcastic comments. Not
>> you in particular. I think How can anyone not know that was a
>> joke? Of course, plenty of the reverse here this morning.

>
> I try to pick my way a bit carefully around here, because I am not in my
> own backyard. I feel it is only right to be respectful of the
> differences (and wish some others would do the same for me) and while I
> may not always succeed, I do try. I try to use terms generally
> understood because it makes life easier I won't be abused though and
> will say my piece when needed but I do try to remember this is mainly a
> US group.
>
>

Oh, you know I wasn't talking about you, Ophelia. It's no big deal,
the fact is it's best to think a bit before reacting. I am guilty
of that myself, plenty of posts I wish I could take back.

nancy


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On 5/1/2014 9:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
> took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
> only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
> been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!
>
> Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.


Really. It seems to be a common problem I have seen mentioned a
number of times. Best to ask questions and don't take something
just because the doctor said so, all of these medications have
side effects.

nancy

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
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> On 5/1/2014 8:42 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 5/1/2014 1:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
>>>> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
>>>> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
>>>> not a criticism, just a fact of life.
>>>
>>> Actually, it's been my observation/experience that non-Americans
>>> don't get even the most outrageously sarcastic comments. Not
>>> you in particular. I think How can anyone not know that was a
>>> joke? Of course, plenty of the reverse here this morning.

>>
>> I try to pick my way a bit carefully around here, because I am not in my
>> own backyard. I feel it is only right to be respectful of the
>> differences (and wish some others would do the same for me) and while I
>> may not always succeed, I do try. I try to use terms generally
>> understood because it makes life easier I won't be abused though and
>> will say my piece when needed but I do try to remember this is mainly a
>> US group.
>>
>>

> Oh, you know I wasn't talking about you, Ophelia. It's no big deal,
> the fact is it's best to think a bit before reacting. I am guilty
> of that myself, plenty of posts I wish I could take back.


I suspect that is common to us all)


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On 5/1/2014 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-05-01 9:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> One name jumped right out at me (he was not the number 1 guy). He was,
>> for a while, my mother's primary care physician. He had her taking so
>> many pills I had to buy a pill container to dole out which ones she was
>> supposed to take (morning, noon, night). It was ridiculous. It got to
>> the point where she was ditching her pills. She started cancelling
>> appointments because she didn't want yet another prescription.

>
> It can be difficult to keep track of medications. It doesn't help that
> when you are ill enough to need a lot of medication you are often a
> little dopey and confused. Before I was discharged from the hospital
> after heart surgery I had a meeting with the pharmacist about all the
> medications I was on, and there were a few. Some of them were once a
> day, twice a day, three times a day. I had taking something one for
> blood pressure, one for cholesterol, one for arrhythmia, warfarin
> tablets and injections, pain killers, iron pills and.... thanks to the
> medication, stool softeners. Due to the procedure I had been through,
> and the pain medication I was pretty dozy.
>
> My wife went over to the pharmacy to get the medications. We got the
> generic stuff, so we had a heck of a time matching the various pills to
> the list I had been given. The pill organizer was a godsend.
>
>
>
>>
>> I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
>> took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
>> only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
>> been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!
>>
>> Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.

>
> Some people like to be medicated. They think they are getting what they
> paid for when they went to the doctor. I got myself off most of mine,
> and my wife was upset, insisting that I should be taking my medicines.
> The first I stopped was the pain medication. As soon as my heart rate
> was stabilized I got rid of that one, with my doctor's approval. Since
> my heart rate was fine I did not have to take the warfarin, That stuff
> is so dangerous that I had to have blood tests first thing every Monday
> morning. I had lost some weight and once I got back into my exercise
> program my blood pressure was low enough I did not have to take that.
> Within a few months I was taking only the cholesterol medication.
>
>

I have a self-made business card with my medications and frequencies
printed on the back. I also use a pill organizer with 4 daily
compartments that I fill up each Sunday night. In case of accidents, it
is well to have a complete description of generic medicines since they
seem often to be white round pills that differ only in a code impressed
on them.

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On 5/1/2014 9:44 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 5/1/2014 9:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
>> took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
>> only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
>> been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!
>>
>> Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.

>
> Really. It seems to be a common problem I have seen mentioned a
> number of times. Best to ask questions and don't take something
> just because the doctor said so, all of these medications have
> side effects.
>
> nancy
>

Some people think because a person has a medical degree they're not to
be questioned. If I hadn't questioned the gastric surgeon who wanted to
remove half my colon I'd have had completely unnecessary surgery. When
I told him I didn't have health insurance he sure changed his tune. I
guess it's okay to bilk the insurance company but you can't count on a
private payer. Heh.

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On Thu, 01 May 2014 10:29:05 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/1/2014 9:44 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> > On 5/1/2014 9:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
> >> took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
> >> only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
> >> been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!
> >>
> >> Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.

> >
> > Really. It seems to be a common problem I have seen mentioned a
> > number of times. Best to ask questions and don't take something
> > just because the doctor said so, all of these medications have
> > side effects.
> >
> > nancy
> >

> Some people think because a person has a medical degree they're not to
> be questioned. If I hadn't questioned the gastric surgeon who wanted to
> remove half my colon I'd have had completely unnecessary surgery. When
> I told him I didn't have health insurance he sure changed his tune. I
> guess it's okay to bilk the insurance company but you can't count on a
> private payer. Heh.
>

Vets do it all the time to pet owners. Got cancer? Treatments in the
thousands of dollars. They actually make you feel guilty when you
tell them to make the pet comfortable. They wanted me to give my dog
chemo with no guarantee she'd get better, just expensive treatments
closer and closer together. I balked, so they gave her prednisone
which allowed her to have another really good/healthy year and gave me
time to wrap my mind around it. It happened just like the vet said it
would. She was fine one day and the next day I knew it was her time
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/1/2014 1:35 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>> Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
>> the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
>> pharmaceuticals though...

>
> Someone sent out a request to the island listserv asking for
> recommendations for an internal medicine doc. She compiled the results
> and sent out the recommendations.
>
> One name jumped right out at me (he was not the number 1 guy). He was,
> for a while, my mother's primary care physician. He had her taking so
> many pills I had to buy a pill container to dole out which ones she was
> supposed to take (morning, noon, night). It was ridiculous. It got to
> the point where she was ditching her pills. She started cancelling
> appointments because she didn't want yet another prescription.
>
> I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He took
> blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really only
> needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd been
> taking every day, three times a day. Whew!
>
> Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.


Yeah. It gets bad when they prescribe one pill to counteract the side
effects of another. And it just never ends.

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On 30/04/2014 11:52 PM, Cheri wrote:
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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/30/2014 11:36 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>>
>>>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more than
>>>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>>>
>>>> But, sometimes they do.
>>>>
>>>> Coffee bad, coffee good. alcohol bad, alcohol good. eggs bad, eggs
>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> I make decisions based on what m doctor tells me and suggests, but
>>>> final
>>>> decision is mine.
>>>
>>> Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
>>> the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
>>> pharmaceuticals though...

>>
>> I must agree with you there!

>
> As do I.
>
> Cheri
>

However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people calling
themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks and are not
to be trusted!
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"graham" > wrote in message
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> On 30/04/2014 11:52 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:26:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/30/2014 11:36 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, mainstream doctors, a crazy bunch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's actually laughable how many people here think they know more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> an actual doctors who went to school, got a degree in their field and
>>>>>> conduct research on the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, sometimes they do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Coffee bad, coffee good. alcohol bad, alcohol good. eggs bad, eggs
>>>>> good.
>>>>>
>>>>> I make decisions based on what m doctor tells me and suggests, but
>>>>> final
>>>>> decision is mine.
>>>>
>>>> Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
>>>> the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
>>>> pharmaceuticals though...
>>>
>>> I must agree with you there!

>>
>> As do I.
>>
>> Cheri
>>

> However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people calling
> themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks and are not
> to be trusted!
> Graham


That's true too. I cringe when people say that they saw a nutritionist.
However, I do know of a good nutritionist. She doesn't so much tell you
specifically what to eat but more looks at the diet you are eating, tells
you what you are lacking in terms of vitamins, minerals, protein, etc., ways
you can change that and perhaps tells you of things you should look at
giving up.

She also doesn't charge an arm and a leg and the nutritional part of the
consult is only one part. She looks at many other things in your life such
as stress and illness and tries to help you find ways to better deal with
things.

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On Thursday, May 1, 2014 1:37:24 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>
> Well that's a step up from your pet psychic and that fake fraudster
> "hair analyst" in the UK whose "scientific" diagnoses you used to cite.
>
> Janet UK


I don't need a hair analyst. I just need
someone to search for it!

http://www.richardfisher.com


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On Thu, 01 May 2014 09:04:24 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/1/2014 1:35 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>> Most doctors I've encountered know nothing about nutrition (aside from
>> the basics) or preventative medicine. Good at doling out
>> pharmaceuticals though...

>
>Someone sent out a request to the island listserv asking for
>recommendations for an internal medicine doc. She compiled the results
>and sent out the recommendations.
>
>One name jumped right out at me (he was not the number 1 guy). He was,
>for a while, my mother's primary care physician. He had her taking so
>many pills I had to buy a pill container to dole out which ones she was
>supposed to take (morning, noon, night). It was ridiculous. It got to
>the point where she was ditching her pills. She started cancelling
>appointments because she didn't want yet another prescription.
>
>I found her a geriatric specialist who <gasp!> made house calls. He
>took blood and urine samples, did lab work. The result? She really
>only needed *four* of the prescriptions, not the handful of pills she'd
>been taking every day, three times a day. Whew!


I'm glad about the happy outcome, it certainly pays to shop around for
another doctor if you have any doubts about the one you're currently
seeing.

I know here it is very hard to find an experienced and motivated
doctor here. Due to the way things work here in Aus, most doctors
(certainly new doctors) here are from Africa or other third world
countries, and really lack direct experience in general and also
dealing with the medical system as it works here in Oz. That's
assuming you can understand what they're saying to you.

I've had to visit different doctors at times just to get the same
issue properly sorted out. Since moving to my current location, I've
had problems with hay fever and spent 2 years persevering with one
such doctor - he couldn't do anything to control my hay fever,
anything he prescribed did nothing. Then I see another doctor, she
effectively solves my problem in one visit. 2 years of hay fever for
nothing... grr.

Incidentally, the above doctor who wasted my time for two years
admonished me for my fat intake and advocated what was basically a low
fat/high carb diet died of a massive heart attack in his surgery... at
age 35 (or so).

>Over-medicating seems to be a big problem, especially with the elderly.


Indeed, driven by profits and not the best interests of the patient,
of course.
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On Thursday, May 1, 2014 6:07:06 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>
>
> > When I was marooned on Ellesmere Island, I lived on raw seal and walrus..

>
> > Wild caught. I gained 18 pounds of muscle, lost most of my body fat, and

>
> > grew new teeth that were previously lost. My liver got so small, that x

>
> > rays no longer detect it. I can run down a full grown African lion and kill

>
> > it with my bare hands. Cheetahs are a harder catch, but on a good day I can

>
> > kill one with a thrown stone.

>
>
>
> You're not fooling anyone... the real Julie is allergic to walrus and
>
> her husband/ daughter/ parents/ relatives don't know how to cook seals,
>
> lions etc and won't eat that stuff anyway. Not even those ready-prepared
>
> little snack packets of cheetahmeat she buys in bulk online.
>
>
>
> Janet UK


Well how about this then...
When I was seven years old, I went to Walmart and stole a canoe. Complete with paddles. I chucked the canoe into the Grand River, and paddled down to Lake Erie. Then, up into lake Ontario and up into the St. Lawrence River.. Eventually, I ended up in the Atlantic Ocean and paddled down to Australia. Just as I was getting down into it, a Great White Shark bore down on me and took my left leg. I paddled back to Ellesmere Island where I ate raw seal and walrus. Eventually, my leg, my left leg grew back, and I am now a proud familiarity of a man.
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On 5/1/2014 10:41 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 2014 10:29:05 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Some people think because a person has a medical degree they're not to
>> be questioned. If I hadn't questioned the gastric surgeon who wanted to
>> remove half my colon I'd have had completely unnecessary surgery. When
>> I told him I didn't have health insurance he sure changed his tune. I
>> guess it's okay to bilk the insurance company but you can't count on a
>> private payer. Heh.
>>

> Vets do it all the time to pet owners. Got cancer? Treatments in the
> thousands of dollars. They actually make you feel guilty when you
> tell them to make the pet comfortable. They wanted me to give my dog
> chemo with no guarantee she'd get better, just expensive treatments
> closer and closer together. I balked, so they gave her prednisone
> which allowed her to have another really good/healthy year and gave me
> time to wrap my mind around it. It happened just like the vet said it
> would. She was fine one day and the next day I knew it was her time
> to go.
>

IMHO, you have to question medical pronouncements when they are
presented as a certainty. Doctors and vets aren't gods. I'm glad you
balked and got another good year with her.

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> When I was marooned on Ellesmere Island, I lived on raw seal and walrus.

Shut up Nazi, no one wants to hear one more word from you.


>

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On 5/1/2014 4:42 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> Well how about this then...
> When I was seven years old, I went to Walmart and stole a canoe.

Shut up Nazi, no one wants to hear one more word from you.


>

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On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:15:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I don't know of any modern ones either. I loved the British version of The
>Office but the American one fell flat for me. I liked Fry and Laurie that
>aired a few years back and there was another one on at the same time with a
>little red haired man who liked to play pathetic characters. One of the
>skits was him working in a suit shop and he would tell the customers, "Suits
>you sir!" But my all time favorites have to be Are you Being Served,
>Neighbors or perhaps it was Good Neighbors or The Good Life, To The Manor
>Born, Keeping Up Appearances, One Foot in the Grave and Butterflies. They
>just don't make shows like that any more. Oh and Fawlty Towers!


Fawlty Towers is a classic in all sorts of ways and always been a
favourite of mine.

>Great but
>too few episodes. Also liked Mr. Bean. Just not the movies and Black
>Adder.


I love Blackadder and yes, I watch all the episodes at least once a
year. I hate Mr Bean though...

>I liked Ab Fab for a while but soon one episode began to blend in with
>another and most of the plots (if you could call them plots) just seemed to
>be almost the same.


I like Ab Fab, but need to be in the mood for it. I watched all the
episodes again only a few weeks ago.

>Never could quite get into The Vicar of Dibley or the other show that the
>one woman was on. Name escapes me but she is the large woman with dark
>hair.


That would be Dawn French.

> And I liked some
>aspects of The Young Ones but the one character was always in such a foul
>mood.


I watched every episode of that again recnetly too

>Ack. Not too many good things on TV these days. I keep watching reruns of
>PBS cooking shows, Cops, Cops reloaded and Jail. Most of these are reruns
>but I guess I don't mind them going on in the background. It's not like I
>really have to pay attention to them. If I have the TV on during the day,
>it's usually on one of court shows.

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On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:25:02 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 5/1/2014 1:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that before. Americans aren't very familiar with irony,
>> and to a lesser extent, sarcasm. Which goes a long to explain why
>> British and Australian humour doesnt go down well in the U.S. That's
>> not a criticism, just a fact of life.

>
>Actually, it's been my observation/experience that non-Americans
>don't get even the most outrageously sarcastic comments. Not
>you in particular. I think How can anyone not know that was a
>joke? Of course, plenty of the reverse here this morning.


Sometimes irony/sarcasm doesnt come across that well in a purely text
based medium such as Usenet.
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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:15:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I don't know of any modern ones either. I loved the British version of
>>The
>>Office but the American one fell flat for me. I liked Fry and Laurie that
>>aired a few years back and there was another one on at the same time with
>>a
>>little red haired man who liked to play pathetic characters. One of the
>>skits was him working in a suit shop and he would tell the customers,
>>"Suits
>>you sir!" But my all time favorites have to be Are you Being Served,
>>Neighbors or perhaps it was Good Neighbors or The Good Life, To The Manor
>>Born, Keeping Up Appearances, One Foot in the Grave and Butterflies. They
>>just don't make shows like that any more. Oh and Fawlty Towers!

>
> Fawlty Towers is a classic in all sorts of ways and always been a
> favourite of mine.
>
>>Great but
>>too few episodes. Also liked Mr. Bean. Just not the movies and Black
>>Adder.

>
> I love Blackadder and yes, I watch all the episodes at least once a
> year. I hate Mr Bean though...
>
>>I liked Ab Fab for a while but soon one episode began to blend in with
>>another and most of the plots (if you could call them plots) just seemed
>>to
>>be almost the same.

>
> I like Ab Fab, but need to be in the mood for it. I watched all the
> episodes again only a few weeks ago.
>
>>Never could quite get into The Vicar of Dibley or the other show that the
>>one woman was on. Name escapes me but she is the large woman with dark
>>hair.

>
> That would be Dawn French.


Yes! I like her. Have seen her on some other shows.
>
>> And I liked some
>>aspects of The Young Ones but the one character was always in such a foul
>>mood.

>
> I watched every episode of that again recnetly too
>
>>Ack. Not too many good things on TV these days. I keep watching reruns
>>of
>>PBS cooking shows, Cops, Cops reloaded and Jail. Most of these are reruns
>>but I guess I don't mind them going on in the background. It's not like I
>>really have to pay attention to them. If I have the TV on during the day,
>>it's usually on one of court shows.


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On Sat, 03 May 2014 01:32:05 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/3/2014 1:05 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 May 2014 00:22:41 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/2/2014 11:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:37:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article >, says...
> >>>>
> >>>>>> However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people calling
> >>>>>> themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks and are not
> >>>>>> to be trusted!
> >>>>>> Graham
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's true too. I cringe when people say that they saw a nutritionist.
> >>>>> However, I do know of a good nutritionist. She doesn't so much tell you
> >>>>> specifically what to eat but more looks at the diet you are eating, tells
> >>>>> you what you are lacking in terms of vitamins, minerals, protein, etc., ways
> >>>>> you can change that and perhaps tells you of things you should look at
> >>>>> giving up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well that's a step up from your pet psychic and that fake fraudster
> >>>> "hair analyst" in the UK whose "scientific" diagnoses you used to cite.
> >>>
> >>> LOL. Pet psychic??
> >>>
> >> Where have you been? LOL
> >>

> > I think it happened in another ng.
> >

> Oh no. The pet psychic was mentioned here. I don't know Julie from any
> other ng.
>

Guess I missed it then. I've see mentions of it by people who saw
something like that elsewhere, but I haven't seen an actual OP like
that authored by her here.


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> On Sat, 03 May 2014 01:32:05 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2014 1:05 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Sat, 03 May 2014 00:22:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 5/2/2014 11:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:37:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> In article >,
>> >>>> says...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people
>> >>>>>> calling
>> >>>>>> themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks and
>> >>>>>> are not
>> >>>>>> to be trusted!
>> >>>>>> Graham
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That's true too. I cringe when people say that they saw a
>> >>>>> nutritionist.
>> >>>>> However, I do know of a good nutritionist. She doesn't so much
>> >>>>> tell you
>> >>>>> specifically what to eat but more looks at the diet you are eating,
>> >>>>> tells
>> >>>>> you what you are lacking in terms of vitamins, minerals, protein,
>> >>>>> etc., ways
>> >>>>> you can change that and perhaps tells you of things you should look
>> >>>>> at
>> >>>>> giving up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well that's a step up from your pet psychic and that fake
>> >>>> fraudster
>> >>>> "hair analyst" in the UK whose "scientific" diagnoses you used to
>> >>>> cite.
>> >>>
>> >>> LOL. Pet psychic??
>> >>>
>> >> Where have you been? LOL
>> >>
>> > I think it happened in another ng.
>> >

>> Oh no. The pet psychic was mentioned here. I don't know Julie from any
>> other ng.
>>

> Guess I missed it then. I've see mentions of it by people who saw
> something like that elsewhere, but I haven't seen an actual OP like
> that authored by her here.
>
>

It was last summer when my cats got pulled out the window by the raccoon.
At least that is what we surmised happened. Since I could only see them
flying out the window and hear Jazzy growling, I can't say for sure. But
the damage to the screen was thought to be that of a raccoon and a viscous
raccoon was trapped not long after.

We spotted Jazzy but could not find her daughter. Only a tuft of what might
have been her fur on the back step. The pet psychic was a last resort. I
had contacted two pet detectives prior but rather than coming out to help
me, they only offered suggestions as did the psychic. The one detective did
not charge me a dime. All were helpful to me though even though we did not
get the one cat back. So to me it was not money wasted.

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In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:37:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
says...
> >
> >> > However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people calling
> >> > themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks and are not
> >> > to be trusted!
> >> > Graham
> >>
> >> That's true too. I cringe when people say that they saw a nutritionist.
> >> However, I do know of a good nutritionist. She doesn't so much tell you
> >> specifically what to eat but more looks at the diet you are eating, tells
> >> you what you are lacking in terms of vitamins, minerals, protein, etc., ways
> >> you can change that and perhaps tells you of things you should look at
> >> giving up.

> >
> > Well that's a step up from your pet psychic and that fake fraudster
> >"hair analyst" in the UK whose "scientific" diagnoses you used to cite.

>
> LOL. Pet psychic??


Don't tell me you missed the pet psychic saga? It's a Bove classic. I
think it was last year if you want to look it up in the google-groups
archive.

Julie's cats were abducted by a raccoon which broke the window screen,
reached in and kidnapped them. (Julie heard it all from the next room so
it must be true). She employed a pet psychic to channel psychic
messages from the cats in the (vain) hope they would tell the Bove
rescue squad where they were.

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t...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:37:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
says...
>> >
>> >> > However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people
>> >> > calling
>> >> > themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks and are
>> >> > not
>> >> > to be trusted!
>> >> > Graham
>> >>
>> >> That's true too. I cringe when people say that they saw a
>> >> nutritionist.
>> >> However, I do know of a good nutritionist. She doesn't so much tell
>> >> you
>> >> specifically what to eat but more looks at the diet you are eating,
>> >> tells
>> >> you what you are lacking in terms of vitamins, minerals, protein,
>> >> etc., ways
>> >> you can change that and perhaps tells you of things you should look at
>> >> giving up.
>> >
>> > Well that's a step up from your pet psychic and that fake fraudster
>> >"hair analyst" in the UK whose "scientific" diagnoses you used to cite.

>>
>> LOL. Pet psychic??

>
> Don't tell me you missed the pet psychic saga? It's a Bove classic. I
> think it was last year if you want to look it up in the google-groups
> archive.
>
> Julie's cats were abducted by a raccoon which broke the window screen,
> reached in and kidnapped them. (Julie heard it all from the next room so
> it must be true). She employed a pet psychic to channel psychic
> messages from the cats in the (vain) hope they would tell the Bove
> rescue squad where they were.


WTF? I wasn't in the next room. I was in *this* room. As I said... I saw
them fly through the window. I could not however see what was on the other
side of the window as it was only open about 4" and mostly covered with
sheer curtains.

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On 2014-05-02 11:37 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:15:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know of any modern ones either. I loved the British version of The
>> Office but the American one fell flat for me. I liked Fry and Laurie that
>> aired a few years back and there was another one on at the same time with a
>> little red haired man who liked to play pathetic characters. One of the
>> skits was him working in a suit shop and he would tell the customers, "Suits
>> you sir!" But my all time favorites have to be Are you Being Served,
>> Neighbors or perhaps it was Good Neighbors or The Good Life, To The Manor
>> Born, Keeping Up Appearances, One Foot in the Grave and Butterflies. They
>> just don't make shows like that any more. Oh and Fawlty Towers!

>
> Fawlty Towers is a classic in all sorts of ways and always been a
> favourite of mine.
>
>> Great but
>> too few episodes. Also liked Mr. Bean. Just not the movies and Black
>> Adder.

>
> I love Blackadder and yes, I watch all the episodes at least once a
> year. I hate Mr Bean though...
>
>> I liked Ab Fab for a while but soon one episode began to blend in with
>> another and most of the plots (if you could call them plots) just seemed to
>> be almost the same.

>
> I like Ab Fab, but need to be in the mood for it. I watched all the
> episodes again only a few weeks ago.
>


One of the best BBC comedies was a short lived one called Night Night.
It features an amoral and manipulative hair stylist who poisons her
husband so she can pursue her married neighbour. It is a very dark comedy.

The British have the good sense not to let comedy series run on forever
and ever. If they are exceptionally good they run a few seasons and end it.

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On 2014-05-03 6:10 AM, Janet wrote:
..
>
> Julie's cats were abducted by a raccoon which broke the window screen,
> reached in and kidnapped them. (Julie heard it all from the next room so
> it must be true). She employed a pet psychic to channel psychic
> messages from the cats in the (vain) hope they would tell the Bove
> rescue squad where they were.
>
>



The Bovines need a pet psychologist for the family.



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On 03/05/2014 2:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 03 May 2014 01:32:05 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/3/2014 1:05 AM, sf wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 03 May 2014 00:22:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 5/2/2014 11:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> >>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:37:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> In article >,
>>> >>>> says...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people
>>> >>>>>> calling
>>> >>>>>> themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks
>>> and >>>>>> are not
>>> >>>>>> to be trusted!
>>> >>>>>> Graham
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> That's true too. I cringe when people say that they saw a
>>> >>>>> nutritionist.
>>> >>>>> However, I do know of a good nutritionist. She doesn't so much
>>> >>>>> tell you
>>> >>>>> specifically what to eat but more looks at the diet you are
>>> eating, >>>>> tells
>>> >>>>> you what you are lacking in terms of vitamins, minerals,
>>> protein, >>>>> etc., ways
>>> >>>>> you can change that and perhaps tells you of things you should
>>> look >>>>> at
>>> >>>>> giving up.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Well that's a step up from your pet psychic and that fake
>>> >>>> fraudster
>>> >>>> "hair analyst" in the UK whose "scientific" diagnoses you used
>>> to >>>> cite.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> LOL. Pet psychic??
>>> >>>
>>> >> Where have you been? LOL
>>> >>
>>> > I think it happened in another ng.
>>> >
>>> Oh no. The pet psychic was mentioned here. I don't know Julie from any
>>> other ng.
>>>

>> Guess I missed it then. I've see mentions of it by people who saw
>> something like that elsewhere, but I haven't seen an actual OP like
>> that authored by her here.
>>
>>

> It was last summer when my cats got pulled out the window by the
> raccoon. At least that is what we surmised happened. Since I could only
> see them flying out the window and hear Jazzy growling, I can't say for
> sure. But the damage to the screen was thought to be that of a raccoon
> and a viscous raccoon was trapped not long after.
>
> We spotted Jazzy but could not find her daughter. Only a tuft of what
> might have been her fur on the back step. The pet psychic was a last
> resort. I had contacted two pet detectives prior but rather than coming
> out to help me, they only offered suggestions as did the psychic. The
> one detective did not charge me a dime. All were helpful to me though
> even though we did not get the one cat back. So to me it was not money
> wasted.


If you believe in psychics, there is NO hope for you!
The only psychic phenomena are the halfwits who believe in them.
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> On 03/05/2014 2:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> If you believe in psychics, there is NO hope for you!
> The only psychic phenomena are the halfwits who believe in them.
> Graham


I KNEW you were going to say that!


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On 5/3/2014 9:17 AM, graham wrote:
>>>> >>> LOL. Pet psychic??
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> Where have you been? LOL
>>>> >>
>>>> > I think it happened in another ng.
>>>> >
>>>> Oh no. The pet psychic was mentioned here. I don't know Julie from
>>>> any
>>>> other ng.
>>>>
>>> Guess I missed it then. I've see mentions of it by people who saw
>>> something like that elsewhere, but I haven't seen an actual OP like
>>> that authored by her here.
>>>
>>>

>> It was last summer when my cats got pulled out the window by the
>> raccoon. At least that is what we surmised happened. Since I could only
>> see them flying out the window and hear Jazzy growling, I can't say for
>> sure. But the damage to the screen was thought to be that of a raccoon
>> and a viscous raccoon was trapped not long after.
>>
>> We spotted Jazzy but could not find her daughter. Only a tuft of what
>> might have been her fur on the back step. The pet psychic was a last
>> resort. I had contacted two pet detectives prior but rather than coming
>> out to help me, they only offered suggestions as did the psychic. The
>> one detective did not charge me a dime. All were helpful to me though
>> even though we did not get the one cat back. So to me it was not money
>> wasted.

>
> If you believe in psychics, there is NO hope for you!
> The only psychic phenomena are the halfwits who believe in them.
> Graham


"Pet detectives" is a new one one me. Where the hell would anyone find
a pet detective outside of a crappy Jim Carrey movie? For that matter
where would anyone find a pet psychic? I just checked my local phone
book. Sorry, fresh out.

I find it extremely difficult to believe a vicious, or even rabid,
raccoon would break through a window screen and pull two cats out the
window. That would have to be a pretty damn big (and fast!) raccoon.
Cats are pretty good at fight or flight.

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On Sat, 03 May 2014 07:57:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-05-02 11:37 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 01:15:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know of any modern ones either. I loved the British version of The
>>> Office but the American one fell flat for me. I liked Fry and Laurie that
>>> aired a few years back and there was another one on at the same time with a
>>> little red haired man who liked to play pathetic characters. One of the
>>> skits was him working in a suit shop and he would tell the customers, "Suits
>>> you sir!" But my all time favorites have to be Are you Being Served,
>>> Neighbors or perhaps it was Good Neighbors or The Good Life, To The Manor
>>> Born, Keeping Up Appearances, One Foot in the Grave and Butterflies. They
>>> just don't make shows like that any more. Oh and Fawlty Towers!

>>
>> Fawlty Towers is a classic in all sorts of ways and always been a
>> favourite of mine.
>>
>>> Great but
>>> too few episodes. Also liked Mr. Bean. Just not the movies and Black
>>> Adder.

>>
>> I love Blackadder and yes, I watch all the episodes at least once a
>> year. I hate Mr Bean though...
>>
>>> I liked Ab Fab for a while but soon one episode began to blend in with
>>> another and most of the plots (if you could call them plots) just seemed to
>>> be almost the same.

>>
>> I like Ab Fab, but need to be in the mood for it. I watched all the
>> episodes again only a few weeks ago.
>>

>
>One of the best BBC comedies was a short lived one called Night Night.
>It features an amoral and manipulative hair stylist who poisons her
>husband so she can pursue her married neighbour. It is a very dark comedy.


I'll have to look into that one
>
>The British have the good sense not to let comedy series run on forever
>and ever. If they are exceptionally good they run a few seasons and end it.


Yes, they do seem to have the good taste to know when to quit. The
Young Ones in particular were under a lot of pressure to continue but
intentially quit right at the show's peak. Same with Fawlty Towers.
Doing that certainly did no harm to their long term reputation... keep
'em wanting more.

I know it's not quite the same thing, but contrast that with The
Simpsons, which IMO was excellent up until around season 10, then went
into a steady decline. The last time I watched a current episode
(maybe 3 years ago), the show is basically a parody of itself now, and
quality of the writing is very poor.
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> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 03 May 2014 01:32:05 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/3/2014 1:05 AM, sf wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 03 May 2014 00:22:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 5/2/2014 11:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> >>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:37:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> In article >,
>>> >>>> says...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> However, Registered Dieticians are properly trained but people
>>> >>>>>> calling
>>> >>>>>> themselves "nutritionists" are usually, if not always quacks and
>>> >>>>>> are not
>>> >>>>>> to be trusted!
>>> >>>>>> Graham
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> That's true too. I cringe when people say that they saw a
>>> >>>>> nutritionist.
>>> >>>>> However, I do know of a good nutritionist. She doesn't so much
>>> >>>>> tell you
>>> >>>>> specifically what to eat but more looks at the diet you are eating,
>>> >>>>> tells
>>> >>>>> you what you are lacking in terms of vitamins, minerals, protein,
>>> >>>>> etc., ways
>>> >>>>> you can change that and perhaps tells you of things you should look
>>> >>>>> at
>>> >>>>> giving up.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Well that's a step up from your pet psychic and that fake
>>> >>>> fraudster
>>> >>>> "hair analyst" in the UK whose "scientific" diagnoses you used to
>>> >>>> cite.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> LOL. Pet psychic??
>>> >>>
>>> >> Where have you been? LOL
>>> >>
>>> > I think it happened in another ng.
>>> >
>>> Oh no. The pet psychic was mentioned here. I don't know Julie from any
>>> other ng.
>>>

>> Guess I missed it then. I've see mentions of it by people who saw
>> something like that elsewhere, but I haven't seen an actual OP like
>> that authored by her here.
>>
>>

>It was last summer when my cats got pulled out the window by the raccoon.
>At least that is what we surmised happened. Since I could only see them
>flying out the window and hear Jazzy growling, I can't say for sure. But
>the damage to the screen was thought to be that of a raccoon and a viscous
>raccoon was trapped not long after.
>
>We spotted Jazzy but could not find her daughter. Only a tuft of what might
>have been her fur on the back step. The pet psychic was a last resort. I
>had contacted two pet detectives prior but rather than coming out to help
>me, they only offered suggestions as did the psychic. The one detective did
>not charge me a dime. All were helpful to me though even though we did not
>get the one cat back. So to me it was not money wasted.


Oh yeah, I do remember it now when you mentioned the raccoon.
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