I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.

I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.


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On Saturday, May 3, 2014 11:46:59 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
>
> while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
>
> and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
>
> with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
>
> specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.
>
>
>
> I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
>
> Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
>
> that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
>
> jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
>
> stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Good Food.
>
> Good Friends.
>
> Good Memories.

Sara Lee's stuff has so much crap in it.

On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
> I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
> while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
> and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
> with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
> specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.
>
> I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
> Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
> that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
> jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
> stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.
>
>
What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.

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Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:29:18 AM UTC+10, James Silverton wrote:
> On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
> > while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
> > and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
> > with me.
>
> What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.

Assuming white sugar. A purist might care on principle, rather than flavour or chemistry.

Don't see what vegan-ness or non-vegan-ness would have to do with it, neither beet nor cane sugar being animal products. Strict Jainism would prohibit beet sugar, so it will be important for some people.

On 5/3/2014 8:46 AM, sf wrote:
> I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
> while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
> and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
> with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
> specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.
>
> I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
> Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
> that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
> jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
> stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.
>
>

I don't have any particular feelings about white sugar - they all look
alike to me. OTOH, Star Bakery English muffin is the best store bought
EM I ever had. The Costco over here sells a variety pack of 3 for under
7 bucks. What a deal! It has 6 regular muffins and 6 poi muffins and 6
whole wheat. My favorite is the regular and the poi is second. The poi
muffin is made from sour poi and is a curious purple in color. I don't
care for whole wheat muffins. My recommendation is that you pick up this
great product whenever you get the chance.

On 5/3/2014 4:51 PM, Timo wrote:
> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:29:18 AM UTC+10, James Silverton wrote:
>> On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
>>> while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
>>> and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
>>> with me.
>>
>> What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.
>
> Assuming white sugar. A purist might care on principle, rather than flavour or chemistry.
>
> Don't see what vegan-ness or non-vegan-ness would have to do with it, neither beet nor cane sugar being animal products. Strict Jainism would prohibit beet sugar, so it will be important for some people.
>

The point about "white sugar" is correct. If you want to make brown beet
sugar, it will be necessary to add sugar cane molasses.

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Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

"Timo" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:29:18 AM UTC+10, James Silverton wrote:
>> On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>> > I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
>> > while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
>> > and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
>> > with me.
>>
>> What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.
>
> Assuming white sugar. A purist might care on principle, rather than
> flavour or chemistry.
>
> Don't see what vegan-ness or non-vegan-ness would have to do with it,
> neither beet nor cane sugar being animal products. Strict Jainism would
> prohibit beet sugar, so it will be important for some people.

Sugar is usually made using bone char.

On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:47:02 PM UTC+10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Timo" > wrote:
> >
> > Don't see what vegan-ness or non-vegan-ness would have to do with it,
>
> Sugar is usually made using bone char.

So I see. Where "usually" is most US-refined cane sugar. Australian refineries stopped using bone char decades ago, and I think NZ too. Beet sugar, raw sugar, and Australian sugar are bone char free.

Thanks for the info.

On 2014-05-03 20:29:18 +0000, James Silverton said:

> On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
>> I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
>> while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
>> and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
>> with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
>> specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.
>>
>> I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
>> Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
>> that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
>> jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
>> stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.
>>
>>
> What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.

It smells like vomit. Plus the waste generated at a sugarbeet
processing plant is horrifying.

Smell some cane sugar sometime. It smells light, sweet. Then smell
some beet sugar. It's an offensive odor, which penetrates to the back
of the throat and creates the urge to vomit.

On Sat, 03 May 2014 16:29:18 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

> On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
> > I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
> > while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
> > and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
> > with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
> > specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.
> >
> > I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
> > Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
> > that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
> > jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
> > stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.
> >
> >
> What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.

I wasn't clear enough?


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On Sat, 3 May 2014 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Timo >
wrote:

> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:29:18 AM UTC+10, James Silverton wrote:
> > On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> > > I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
> > > while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
> > > and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
> > > with me.
> >
> > What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.
>
> Assuming white sugar. A purist might care on principle, rather than flavour or chemistry.
>
> Don't see what vegan-ness or non-vegan-ness would have to do with it, neither beet nor cane sugar being animal products. Strict Jainism would prohibit beet sugar, so it will be important for some people.

If I was a vegan, I'd object to cane sugar due to the way it is
bleached.


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On Sunday, May 4, 2014 5:10:17 PM UTC+10, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2014 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Timo wrote:
> >
> > Don't see what vegan-ness or non-vegan-ness would have to do with it, neither beet nor cane sugar being animal products. Strict Jainism would prohibit beet sugar, so it will be important for some people.
>
> If I was a vegan, I'd object to cane sugar due to the way it is
> bleached.

US-refined white cane sugar, which is a small subset of cane sugar. Of course, an important subset for you.

I blame the EU. They restrict the use of bone char, and the use of bone-char-refined sugar, so countries which export white sugar to the EU stopped using bone char. US only refines for domestic consumption, so they don't care.

On Sun, 4 May 2014 00:56:12 -0700 (PDT), Timo >
wrote:

> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 5:10:17 PM UTC+10, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 May 2014 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Timo wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't see what vegan-ness or non-vegan-ness would have to do with it, neither beet nor cane sugar being animal products. Strict Jainism would prohibit beet sugar, so it will be important for some people.
> >
> > If I was a vegan, I'd object to cane sugar due to the way it is
> > bleached.
>
> US-refined white cane sugar, which is a small subset of cane sugar. Of course, an important subset for you.

I'm certainly not traveling to some other country just to buy cane
sugar.
>
> I blame the EU. They restrict the use of bone char, and the use of bone-char-refined sugar, so countries which export white sugar to the EU stopped using bone char. US only refines for domestic consumption, so they don't care.

Why is there controversy where there should be none? I was speaking
for myself and thought it was obvious, even to the blind. It doesn't
matter that I'm originally from Michigan, which is a major sugar beet
producer in the USA. I still think sugar should come from sugar cane,
not beets. The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane. I'm a progressive
thinker in many ways, but not when it comes to that.


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On Saturday, May 3, 2014 11:32:38 PM UTC-6, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> On 2014-05-03 20:29:18 +0000, James Silverton said:
>
>
>
> > On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >> I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
>
> >> while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
>
> >> and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
>
> >> with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
>
> >> specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.
>
> >>
>
> >> I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
>
> >> Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
>
> >> that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
>
> >> jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
>
> >> stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> > What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.
>
>
>
> It smells like vomit. Plus the waste generated at a sugarbeet
>
> processing plant is horrifying.
>
>
>
> Smell some cane sugar sometime. It smells light, sweet. Then smell
>
> some beet sugar. It's an offensive odor, which penetrates to the back
>
> of the throat and creates the urge to vomit.

And your eyes are brown from we know that you are full.
===

On 5/4/2014 10:00 AM, sf wrote:

> Why is there controversy where there should be none? I was speaking
> for myself and thought it was obvious, even to the blind. It doesn't
> matter that I'm originally from Michigan, which is a major sugar beet
> producer in the USA. I still think sugar should come from sugar cane,
> not beets. The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
> the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane. I'm a progressive
> thinker in many ways, but not when it comes to that.
>
>

Never had beet sugar but I've heard many complaints about its
inferiority. What size bag is the store brand? For the first time, I'm
seeing 4# bags instead of 5#.

On Monday, May 5, 2014 12:00:08 AM UTC+10, sf wrote:
>
> Why is there controversy where there should be none?

What controversy? Adding information about what goes on outside the US is not disagreement with you; it's further information.

(Our everyday sugar is raw sugar. Double bone char free, even if cane!)

> The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
> the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane.

There's plenty of rum out there that will make everybody better off if it's put in an internal combustion engine and burned. Biofuel from cane is an old process.

(Is Austrian/Croatian rum made from beets/beet sugar/beet molasses? It can be pretty nasty stuff, and is nasty in a very different way to nasty cane rum.)

On Sun, 04 May 2014 14:59:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/4/2014 10:00 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> Why is there controversy where there should be none? I was speaking
>> for myself and thought it was obvious, even to the blind. It doesn't
>> matter that I'm originally from Michigan, which is a major sugar beet
>> producer in the USA. I still think sugar should come from sugar cane,
>> not beets. The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
>> the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane. I'm a progressive
>> thinker in many ways, but not when it comes to that.
>>
>>
>
>Never had beet sugar but I've heard many complaints about its
>inferiority. What size bag is the store brand? For the first time, I'm
>seeing 4# bags instead of 5#.

I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
(today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.

aloha,
Cea

On Sat, 3 May 2014 22:32:38 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

>On 2014-05-03 20:29:18 +0000, James Silverton said:
>
>> On 5/3/2014 2:46 PM, sf wrote:
>>> I just realized the store brand bag of granulated sugar I bought a
>>> while ago says "pure cane" on the label. I am a purist, not a vegan,
>>> and beet sugar or the possibility of beet sugar just plain sits wrong
>>> with me. So, now I have two products I will go to that store (chain)
>>> specifically to buy: American lamb and store brand cane sugar.
>>>
>>> I make it a twofer and shop at there when I go to Smart & Final (aka:
>>> Cash & Carry). Smart & Final is the only place I've found in my area
>>> that sells Sara Lee English muffins and they also have decent sized
>>> jars of multi-colored whole peppercorns at a price that isn't heart
>>> stopping. Besides, it's fun to poke around and impulse shop.
>>>
>>>
>> What's wrong with beet sugar? It's still pure sucrose.
>
>It smells like vomit. Plus the waste generated at a sugarbeet
>processing plant is horrifying.
>
>Smell some cane sugar sometime. It smells light, sweet. Then smell
>some beet sugar. It's an offensive odor, which penetrates to the back
>of the throat and creates the urge to vomit.

Having grown up on a sugar plantation- every part of sugar smells
wonderful. When they burn the leaves- it smells like molasses. (Of
course new people who have moved into the touristy areas that have
grown sugar for 100 years disagree, and are trying to ban the burning
of sugar- on Maui.)

And when the cane is in the mill- another set of delicious smells.

aloha,
Cea

On 5/4/2014 10:52 AM, pure kona wrote:
>
> I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
> (today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>
> aloha,
> Cea
>
I believe that they've been sold that way for about a year. You can
still get 10 lb bags of C&H though. We have an 8X10 picture of my mom
back in the 50s in a Hawaiian print dress standing with other pretty
young girls in similar dress holding bags of C&H sugar. My guess is that
they sold a lot of sugar this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl6oXu9NnA

On Sun, 04 May 2014 14:59:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 5/4/2014 10:00 AM, sf wrote:
>
> > Why is there controversy where there should be none? I was speaking
> > for myself and thought it was obvious, even to the blind. It doesn't
> > matter that I'm originally from Michigan, which is a major sugar beet
> > producer in the USA. I still think sugar should come from sugar cane,
> > not beets. The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
> > the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane. I'm a progressive
> > thinker in many ways, but not when it comes to that.
> >
> >
>
> Never had beet sugar but I've heard many complaints about its
> inferiority. What size bag is the store brand? For the first time, I'm
> seeing 4# bags instead of 5#.

4 lb bags have been around for a while, but I don't use enough sugar
to care. The pound of bacon has been shrinking for 25 years, as have
coffee, ice cream, as well as a myriad of canned and boxed foods.
Sugar was just slow to catch onto the trend.


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On Sun, 04 May 2014 10:55:50 -1000, pure kona
> wrote:

> (Of
> course new people who have moved into the touristy areas that have
> grown sugar for 100 years disagree, and are trying to ban the burning
> of sugar- on Maui.)

Oh, good lord.


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On Sun, 04 May 2014 10:52:52 -1000, pure kona
> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 May 2014 14:59:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 5/4/2014 10:00 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>>> Why is there controversy where there should be none? I was speaking
>>> for myself and thought it was obvious, even to the blind. It doesn't
>>> matter that I'm originally from Michigan, which is a major sugar beet
>>> producer in the USA. I still think sugar should come from sugar cane,
>>> not beets. The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
>>> the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane. I'm a progressive
>>> thinker in many ways, but not when it comes to that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Never had beet sugar but I've heard many complaints about its
>>inferiority. What size bag is the store brand? For the first time, I'm
>>seeing 4# bags instead of 5#.
>
>I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
>(today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>
>aloha,
>Cea

The 4 lb bag of sugar has been around since the early '70s... at that
time I had my coffee business and would include a 5 lb bag of sugar
with each 500 cup order... the sales pitch used by people in the
business was the 5¢ cuppa... each order consisted of enough high
quality nitrogen packed coffee and epaper filters to make 500 cups for
$25... Solo cups tea bags, hot chocolate, etc. were extra. Then a big
sugar shortage hit and the price sky rocketed, increased more than
four fold from the usual 5lb/50¢, so the sugar packagers went to a 4
lb bag in order to present a lower price... really weren't getting any
bargain but psychologically people felt they were paying less. I
continued including a 5 lb bag, my profit margin was enough to cover.
That same trick still works today, many products have shrunk to make
cost appear the same at the register. It was a great business because
the only ADCs at that time were Bunn and Cory, and they weren't sold,
even restaurants had to rent them. But the coffee brokers made a deal
to sell machines to those who would buy coffee and supplies from them
so I was able to buy machines in lots of a dozen. at one point I had
more than 300 machines going, I made a lot of money because I sold a
lot of coffee and cups because office workers brought them home... was
still a bargain because for the companies, it kept workers at their
work stations rather than making coffee runs all day. And then one
day Mr. Coffee came on the scene, a cheap plastic machine that anyone
could buy but it worked, and put me out of business. But I made a lot
of money those five years, paid cash for my first house and still had
plenty in the bank. I fell into tha business purely by accident, I
was working in a small mold making shop in New Hyde Park, LI... the
boss got us that machine but the fellow never serviced it and it had
burnt out too. There was a sticker on the machine with an address and
phone number for Continental Coffee Roasters in Chicago. I called and
learned how to go into that business. Even with the coffee business I
kept my day job, I was able to service machines on weekends and worked
out a way for UPS to deliver Koffee Kits from Chicago. About half my
accounts were hair salons, they went through coffee like it was going
out of style. Once a month a huge trailer truck delivered, my
basement was filled with coffee stuff.

On 5/4/2014 5:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/4/2014 10:52 AM, pure kona wrote:
>>
>> I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
>> (today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>>
> I believe that they've been sold that way for about a year. You can
> still get 10 lb bags of C&H though. We have an 8X10 picture of my mom
> back in the 50s in a Hawaiian print dress standing with other pretty
> young girls in similar dress holding bags of C&H sugar. My guess is that
> they sold a lot of sugar this way.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl6oXu9NnA

Funny ad. I remember when we visited the Smithsonian when I was a kid
they were offering fresh sugar cane as snacks. My dad insisted with try
it. Sorry, that was not a treat. Then again, D.C. is a long way from
Maui.

Jill

On 5/4/2014 1:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/4/2014 5:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 5/4/2014 10:52 AM, pure kona wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
>>> (today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>>>
>>> aloha,
>>> Cea
>>>
>> I believe that they've been sold that way for about a year. You can
>> still get 10 lb bags of C&H though. We have an 8X10 picture of my mom
>> back in the 50s in a Hawaiian print dress standing with other pretty
>> young girls in similar dress holding bags of C&H sugar. My guess is that
>> they sold a lot of sugar this way.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl6oXu9NnA
>
> Funny ad. I remember when we visited the Smithsonian when I was a kid
> they were offering fresh sugar cane as snacks. My dad insisted with try
> it. Sorry, that was not a treat. Then again, D.C. is a long way from
> Maui.
>
> Jill

The truth about eating sugar cane like that is that it sucks. Nice
fantasy though. Give your kids sugar cane instead of candy cane and
they'll hate you for it.

On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:46:37 AM UTC+10, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/4/2014 1:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > I remember when we visited the Smithsonian when I was a kid
> > they were offering fresh sugar cane as snacks. My dad insisted with try
> > it. Sorry, that was not a treat. Then again, D.C. is a long way from
> > Maui.
>
> The truth about eating sugar cane like that is that it sucks. Nice
> fantasy though. Give your kids sugar cane instead of candy cane and
> they'll hate you for it.

It's sweet (if the right cane at the right time), tastes OK. Fibrous and wet, so more work and mess than candy. Yes, kids prefer candy, but IME, they don't mind cane. Cattle like it - they're more prepared to cope with the fibrosity.

Lots of fresh cane to be seen at local Vietnamese markets. Mostly used for fresh-squeezed cane juice. Kids like cane juice better than cane (though I think they prefer Coke).

Don't know where they get their cane from; sugar farming used to extend some way south of here, but it's retreated to about 300km north of here. Would be cool if that demand has kept local canegrowing alive.

On Sun, 04 May 2014 11:17:27 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 5/4/2014 10:52 AM, pure kona wrote:
>>
>> I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
>> (today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>>
>I believe that they've been sold that way for about a year. You can
>still get 10 lb bags of C&H though. We have an 8X10 picture of my mom
>back in the 50s in a Hawaiian print dress standing with other pretty
>young girls in similar dress holding bags of C&H sugar. My guess is that
>they sold a lot of sugar this way.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl6oXu9NnA
I sort of remember those photos! Yes, making beautiful and good
sellers, I am sure. Was there a mill or a cane field in the
background? Just seeing if my memory holds.

Thanks for the flashback

aloha

On Sun, 04 May 2014 13:46:37 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> The truth about eating sugar cane like that is that it sucks. Nice
> fantasy though. Give your kids sugar cane instead of candy cane and
> they'll hate you for it.

I've only had cane that way a couple of times, but I thought it was
pretty good. I'd put it into the lollipop category.


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On Sun, 04 May 2014 13:46:37 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 5/4/2014 1:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/4/2014 5:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 5/4/2014 10:52 AM, pure kona wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
>>>> (today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>>>>
>>>> aloha,
>>>> Cea
>>>>
>>> I believe that they've been sold that way for about a year. You can
>>> still get 10 lb bags of C&H though. We have an 8X10 picture of my mom
>>> back in the 50s in a Hawaiian print dress standing with other pretty
>>> young girls in similar dress holding bags of C&H sugar. My guess is that
>>> they sold a lot of sugar this way.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl6oXu9NnA
>>
>> Funny ad. I remember when we visited the Smithsonian when I was a kid
>> they were offering fresh sugar cane as snacks. My dad insisted with try
>> it. Sorry, that was not a treat. Then again, D.C. is a long way from
>> Maui.
>>
>> Jill
>
>The truth about eating sugar cane like that is that it sucks. Nice
>fantasy though. Give your kids sugar cane instead of candy cane and
>they'll hate you for it.

Well as a sugar daughter and grand daughter on both sides as well
as being married to a sugar cane Cultivation Supt., I know there are
many different kinds of sugar cane.

Hawaiians brought many varieties of ko as part of their "canoe
plants" (see he http://www.canoeplants.com/contents.html)

As a kid we loved the purple kind Juicy and of course, we quickly
spit out the fiber but I thought of them as kind of toothbrushes. Well
I was a small kid.

And here on our coffee farm with a nod to our heritage, we grow the
purple kind and it is very sweet and juicy and our children and
grandchildren love it too.

Sugar plantation people had to grow sugar cane hybrid that had a hard
outside (not the purple kind) so rats wouldn't devour it all.

End of my sugar world. Thanks.

aloha,
Cea

On Sun, 04 May 2014 18:57:16 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 May 2014 10:52:52 -1000, pure kona
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 May 2014 14:59:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/4/2014 10:00 AM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is there controversy where there should be none? I was speaking
>>>> for myself and thought it was obvious, even to the blind. It doesn't
>>>> matter that I'm originally from Michigan, which is a major sugar beet
>>>> producer in the USA. I still think sugar should come from sugar cane,
>>>> not beets. The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
>>>> the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane. I'm a progressive
>>>> thinker in many ways, but not when it comes to that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Never had beet sugar but I've heard many complaints about its
>>>inferiority. What size bag is the store brand? For the first time, I'm
>>>seeing 4# bags instead of 5#.
>>
>>I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
>>(today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>>
>>aloha,
>>Cea
>
>The 4 lb bag of sugar has been around since the early '70s... at that
>time I had my coffee business and would include a 5 lb bag of sugar
>with each 500 cup order... the sales pitch used by people in the
>business was the 5¢ cuppa... each order consisted of enough high
>quality nitrogen packed coffee and epaper filters to make 500 cups for
>$25... Solo cups tea bags, hot chocolate, etc. were extra. Then a big
>sugar shortage hit and the price sky rocketed, increased more than
>four fold from the usual 5lb/50¢, so the sugar packagers went to a 4
>lb bag in order to present a lower price... really weren't getting any
>bargain but psychologically people felt they were paying less. I
>continued including a 5 lb bag, my profit margin was enough to cover.
>That same trick still works today, many products have shrunk to make
>cost appear the same at the register. It was a great business because
>the only ADCs at that time were Bunn and Cory, and they weren't sold,
>even restaurants had to rent them. But the coffee brokers made a deal
>to sell machines to those who would buy coffee and supplies from them
>so I was able to buy machines in lots of a dozen. at one point I had
>more than 300 machines going, I made a lot of money because I sold a
>lot of coffee and cups because office workers brought them home... was
>still a bargain because for the companies, it kept workers at their
>work stations rather than making coffee runs all day. And then one
>day Mr. Coffee came on the scene, a cheap plastic machine that anyone
>could buy but it worked, and put me out of business. But I made a lot
>of money those five years, paid cash for my first house and still had
>plenty in the bank. I fell into tha business purely by accident, I
>was working in a small mold making shop in New Hyde Park, LI... the
>boss got us that machine but the fellow never serviced it and it had
>burnt out too. There was a sticker on the machine with an address and
>phone number for Continental Coffee Roasters in Chicago. I called and
>learned how to go into that business. Even with the coffee business I
>kept my day job, I was able to service machines on weekends and worked
>out a way for UPS to deliver Koffee Kits from Chicago. About half my
>accounts were hair salons, they went through coffee like it was going
>out of style. Once a month a huge trailer truck delivered, my
>basement was filled with coffee stuff.

Very interesting Sheldon to both my worlds- sugar and coffee.

There are still plenty of places who will offer coffee from one of
those nasty coffee makers where the carafe has been sitting for too
long at too high a heat. And of course it did not begin with great
coffee.

aloha,
Cea
PS One of my good and constant customers orders 5 pounds of Kona for
his Salon. Blows my mind because I wonder how much their various
services cost if they are serving my Kona.

the more things change...

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 04 May 2014 13:46:37 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> The truth about eating sugar cane like that is that it sucks. Nice
>> fantasy though. Give your kids sugar cane instead of candy cane and
>> they'll hate you for it.
>
> I've only had cane that way a couple of times, but I thought it was
> pretty good. I'd put it into the lollipop category.

Really? I found it boring. We had them occasionally as kids. They always
went into the trash within the first few minutes after the novelty wore off.

On 5/4/2014 2:24 PM, Timo wrote:
>
> It's sweet (if the right cane at the right time), tastes OK. Fibrous and wet, so more work and mess than candy. Yes, kids prefer candy, but IME, they don't mind cane. Cattle like it - they're more prepared to cope with the fibrosity.
>
> Lots of fresh cane to be seen at local Vietnamese markets. Mostly used for fresh-squeezed cane juice. Kids like cane juice better than cane (though I think they prefer Coke).
>
> Don't know where they get their cane from; sugar farming used to extend some way south of here, but it's retreated to about 300km north of here. Would be cool if that demand has kept local canegrowing alive.
>
The stuff that I had was mildly sweet - my guess you could get the same
stuff by chewing on some grass stalks. The fibrous parts were kind of
unpleasant for me but maybe I've been chewing on lousy cane. My main
problem is that I don't like chewing on grass.

On 5/4/2014 3:08 PM, pure kona wrote:
> I sort of remember those photos! Yes, making beautiful and good
> sellers, I am sure. Was there a mill or a cane field in the
> background? Just seeing if my memory holds.
>
> Thanks for the flashback
>
> aloha
>
I never saw those commercials before since they didn't play in Hawaii.
There was no reason to - all we ever had was C&H. Back in the old days,
there were no house branding in supermarkets. These days I just get the
cheapest sugar I can find. I can't say that I've ever had beet sugar but
it sounds like an interesting product.

On 5/4/2014 3:33 PM, sf wrote:

>
> I've only had cane that way a couple of times, but I thought it was
> pretty good. I'd put it into the lollipop category.
>
>
You must have a good set of molars. Mine are so-so.

On 5/4/2014 3:52 PM, pure kona wrote:
>
> Well as a sugar daughter and grand daughter on both sides as well
> as being married to a sugar cane Cultivation Supt., I know there are
> many different kinds of sugar cane.
>
> Hawaiians brought many varieties of ko as part of their "canoe
> plants" (see he http://www.canoeplants.com/contents.html)
>
> As a kid we loved the purple kind Juicy and of course, we quickly
> spit out the fiber but I thought of them as kind of toothbrushes. Well
> I was a small kid.
>
> And here on our coffee farm with a nod to our heritage, we grow the
> purple kind and it is very sweet and juicy and our children and
> grandchildren love it too.
>
> Sugar plantation people had to grow sugar cane hybrid that had a hard
> outside (not the purple kind) so rats wouldn't devour it all.
>
> End of my sugar world. Thanks.
>
> aloha,
> Cea
>
No doubt about it - times are changing. I was on Lanai last week and it
was fairly odd. I was on the main street and there were mostly cute
little shacks of boutique shops for tourists but I saw not a single
tourist there. My understanding is that the rich guy that bought 98% of
the island is restoring the old theater in Lanai city and plans to have
an international film festival in that sleepy town. Future plans are to
double the island's population and make the island self-sustainable in
energy and foods. The strange part is that the local population seems OK
with that.

I know exactly how it's all going to go down, the island is going to be
a place where the rich and famous can hang loose and chill without being
bothered by the locals. No doubt that will have a lot of appeal.

On Sun, 04 May 2014 20:50:37 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 5/4/2014 3:33 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >
> > I've only had cane that way a couple of times, but I thought it was
> > pretty good. I'd put it into the lollipop category.
> >
> >
> You must have a good set of molars. Mine are so-so.

I have excellent teeth (my dentist is always amazed), but I haven't
gnawed on a cane. I don't chew lollipops either. Maybe I don't have
a need to ingest sugar that fast. <shrug>


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Monday, May 5, 2014 4:45:59 PM UTC+10, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/4/2014 2:24 PM, Timo wrote:
> >
> > It's sweet (if the right cane at the right time), tastes OK. Fibrous and wet, so more work and mess than candy. Yes, kids prefer candy, but IME, they don't mind cane. Cattle like it - they're more prepared to cope with the fibrosity.
>
> The stuff that I had was mildly sweet - my guess you could get the same
> stuff by chewing on some grass stalks. The fibrous parts were kind of
> unpleasant for me but maybe I've been chewing on lousy cane. My main
> problem is that I don't like chewing on grass.

Sounds like you got it at a less-than-optimum time. The sugar content varies a lot over the growing season. The juice gets to well over 15% sugar, which is pretty sweet. But catch the stalk when it's just put a big chunk of its stored sugar into growth, and not so sweet.

On 05/05/2014 12:49 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/4/2014 3:08 PM, pure kona wrote:
>> I sort of remember those photos! Yes, making beautiful and good
>> sellers, I am sure. Was there a mill or a cane field in the
>> background? Just seeing if my memory holds.
>>
>> Thanks for the flashback
>>
>> aloha
>>
> I never saw those commercials before since they didn't play in Hawaii.
> There was no reason to - all we ever had was C&H. Back in the old days,
> there were no house branding in supermarkets. These days I just get the
> cheapest sugar I can find. I can't say that I've ever had beet sugar but
> it sounds like an interesting product.

Which I am sure is essentially identical to cane sugar. The only
difference that I could detect in that article on the different results
for crème brulée was that the cane sugar crystals were larger.
Graham

pure kona wrote:
>
>Hawaiians brought many varieties of ko as part of their "canoe
>plants" see he http://www.canoeplants.com/contents.html

Thank you for posting this link, very informative, saved.

On Sun, 04 May 2014 15:56:39 -1000, pure kona
> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 May 2014 18:57:16 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 May 2014 10:52:52 -1000, pure kona
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 04 May 2014 14:59:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 5/4/2014 10:00 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is there controversy where there should be none? I was speaking
>>>>> for myself and thought it was obvious, even to the blind. It doesn't
>>>>> matter that I'm originally from Michigan, which is a major sugar beet
>>>>> producer in the USA. I still think sugar should come from sugar cane,
>>>>> not beets. The very thought of beet sugar is just as mind numbing as
>>>>> the idea of "bio-fuel" coming from corn and cane. I'm a progressive
>>>>> thinker in many ways, but not when it comes to that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Never had beet sugar but I've heard many complaints about its
>>>>inferiority. What size bag is the store brand? For the first time, I'm
>>>>seeing 4# bags instead of 5#.
>>>
>>>I bought some C&H cane sugar the other day to make my mango chutney
>>>(today) and it was also 4 pounds. Surprised me too.
>>>
>>>aloha,
>>>Cea
>>
>>The 4 lb bag of sugar has been around since the early '70s... at that
>>time I had my coffee business and would include a 5 lb bag of sugar
>>with each 500 cup order... the sales pitch used by people in the
>>business was the 5¢ cuppa... each order consisted of enough high
>>quality nitrogen packed coffee and epaper filters to make 500 cups for
>>$25... Solo cups tea bags, hot chocolate, etc. were extra. Then a big
>>sugar shortage hit and the price sky rocketed, increased more than
>>four fold from the usual 5lb/50¢, so the sugar packagers went to a 4
>>lb bag in order to present a lower price... really weren't getting any
>>bargain but psychologically people felt they were paying less. I
>>continued including a 5 lb bag, my profit margin was enough to cover.
>>That same trick still works today, many products have shrunk to make
>>cost appear the same at the register. It was a great business because
>>the only ADCs at that time were Bunn and Cory, and they weren't sold,
>>even restaurants had to rent them. But the coffee brokers made a deal
>>to sell machines to those who would buy coffee and supplies from them
>>so I was able to buy machines in lots of a dozen. at one point I had
>>more than 300 machines going, I made a lot of money because I sold a
>>lot of coffee and cups because office workers brought them home... was
>>still a bargain because for the companies, it kept workers at their
>>work stations rather than making coffee runs all day. And then one
>>day Mr. Coffee came on the scene, a cheap plastic machine that anyone
>>could buy but it worked, and put me out of business. But I made a lot
>>of money those five years, paid cash for my first house and still had
>>plenty in the bank. I fell into tha business purely by accident, I
>>was working in a small mold making shop in New Hyde Park, LI... the
>>boss got us that machine but the fellow never serviced it and it had
>>burnt out too. There was a sticker on the machine with an address and
>>phone number for Continental Coffee Roasters in Chicago. I called and
>>learned how to go into that business. Even with the coffee business I
>>kept my day job, I was able to service machines on weekends and worked
>>out a way for UPS to deliver Koffee Kits from Chicago. About half my
>>accounts were hair salons, they went through coffee like it was going
>>out of style. Once a month a huge trailer truck delivered, my
>>basement was filled with coffee stuff.
>
>Very interesting Sheldon to both my worlds- sugar and coffee.
>
>There are still plenty of places who will offer coffee from one of
>those nasty coffee makers where the carafe has been sitting for too
>long at too high a heat. And of course it did not begin with great
>coffee.
>
>aloha,
>Cea
>PS One of my good and constant customers orders 5 pounds of Kona for
>his Salon. Blows my mind because I wonder how much their various
>services cost if they are serving my Kona.

Hair salons are mostly profit, they primarilly sell a service, very
little product. And some women drop well over a hundred dollars every
week, between dyeing, perms, cuts, nails, waxing, etc... the store can
easily afford free coffee and snacks... some will buy their patron's
lunch... the longer they're there the more they spend. Many women
spend the entire day, it's a social event. You'd be amazed at how
much people spend on vanity, between having the chic labels on
everything they buy from clothing, to food, to automobiles, to
vacations in many households vanity is their biggest expense.

On 5/5/2014 3:13 AM, graham wrote:
> On 05/05/2014 12:49 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 5/4/2014 3:08 PM, pure kona wrote:
>>> I sort of remember those photos! Yes, making beautiful and good
>>> sellers, I am sure. Was there a mill or a cane field in the
>>> background? Just seeing if my memory holds.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the flashback
>>>
>>> aloha
>>>
>> I never saw those commercials before since they didn't play in Hawaii.
>> There was no reason to - all we ever had was C&H. Back in the old days,
>> there were no house branding in supermarkets. These days I just get the
>> cheapest sugar I can find. I can't say that I've ever had beet sugar but
>> it sounds like an interesting product.
>
> Which I am sure is essentially identical to cane sugar. The only
> difference that I could detect in that article on the different results
> for crème brulée was that the cane sugar crystals were larger.
> Graham

The next time I'm on the mainland, I'll have to find some of that beet
sugar. I've always wanted to try it.