We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
'vegan' guests very soon.

Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.

On 2014-05-06 10:57 AM, P Jameson wrote:
> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>
>

For vegans the menu should be BYOF. They won't even eat honey because it
involves the exploitation of insect workers. If they won't let an
animal help to prepare food for them don't expect me to work for them.

On Tue, 6 May 2014 15:57:59 +0100, "P Jameson"
> wrote:

> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>

There is such a thing vegan mayonnaise - I have one by Hampton Creek
called "Just Mayo" (mine came from Whole Foods) and it's the best
commercial mayonnaise I've ever tasted, vegan or not. Mix your vegan
mayo with some fresh lemon juice and you'll have a tasty mock
hollandaise.

Alternatively, a quick Google produced these:
http://www.treehugger.com/easy-veget...-dressing.html
http://www.vegetariantimes.com/recip...-tahini-sauce/



--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 5/6/2014 9:57 AM, P Jameson wrote:
> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>
>

I'd just use olive oil with garlic and some herbs. If they don't want
that, invite them to explore your pantry to whomp something up for
themselves. Trust me, they'll spend the next two hours reading labels.

Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me on
stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce. Nothing, NOTHING
was suitable for His Nibs. Though he made an exception for the peanut
butter-and-chocolate spread we'd gotten for the grandkids. That was
the only thing he ate for the duration of his stay.

The next time he invited himself to stay with me, I told him he was no
longer welcome. He can fuss with food all he likes, but I won't be
subjected to another person's petty whims in MY house.

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:03:13 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

>
> Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
>
> vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me on
>
> stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce. Nothing, NOTHING
>
> was suitable for His Nibs. Though he made an exception for the peanut
>
> butter-and-chocolate spread we'd gotten for the grandkids. That was
>
> the only thing he ate for the duration of his stay.
>
>
>
> The next time he invited himself to stay with me, I told him he was no
>
> longer welcome. He can fuss with food all he likes, but I won't be
>
> subjected to another person's petty whims in MY house.


I'm always trying to be helpful to people with special needs diets.
My one pet peeve is MILITANT vegans. Eat what you like, just don't judge me for my choices.

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:03:13 AM UTC+10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
> vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me on
> stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce.

Depending on why soy sauce is on the forbidden list - and a lot of religious vegetarians will have it thus because it's a fermented product - never-seen-any-fermentation hydrolysed soy sauce might be OK. But some religions just go for a wide ban of various soy products, to avoid accidental ingestion of the fermented ones.

On 2014-05-06 2:03 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

> I'd just use olive oil with garlic and some herbs. If they don't want
> that, invite them to explore your pantry to whomp something up for
> themselves. Trust me, they'll spend the next two hours reading labels.
>
> Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
> vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me on
> stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce. Nothing, NOTHING
> was suitable for His Nibs. Though he made an exception for the peanut
> butter-and-chocolate spread we'd gotten for the grandkids. That was the
> only thing he ate for the duration of his stay.

We had a similar experience with a great niece who showed up here for a
family Christmas gathering. We didn't know that she was in town or that
she was coming, or that she was a vegan. She and her father arrived
late. The rest of us were just about to sit down and eat. Apparently,
she and her father had planned to bring some vegan food but had forgotten.

My wife had to go through the cupboards looking for something the girl
could eat. She had to scan the lists if ingredients on everything. She
could not even eat my wife's wonderful homemade salad dressing. Even
forbid she might just have oil and vinegar on her salad.

Less than two years later she is at a buffet dinner and comes back with
a plate full of carnivore food.... ham, beef, chicken, smoked salmon,
eggs....


I once heard a comedian say that vegans are selfish narcissists and
could not help but agree.




>
> The next time he invited himself to stay with me, I told him he was no
> longer welcome. He can fuss with food all he likes, but I won't be
> subjected to another person's petty whims in MY house.

Congratulations. That is what more people should do. One of my nephews
and his wife are vegetarian. When they come and stay with his parents my
brother and his wife have to go out and get that stupid faux meat crap
to indulge their meat-free diet. Tofu turkey for all. One one occasion
the were ordering Chinese food and the two vegetarians thought everyone
should order only vegetarian dishes so they could try everything.
Needless to say, when the parents go to visit the vegetarians there is
no reciprocal accommodation. If the parents want meat they have to go
to a restaurant. They get to eat meat while the vegetarians have their
fare , and the parents get stuck with the bill.

"P Jameson" > wrote in message
...
> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
> simple sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.

If you have a food processor, you can make a nut cheese sauce. Here is one
such.

http://www.therawtarian.com/raw-cheese-sauce

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 6 May 2014 15:57:59 +0100, "P Jameson"
> > wrote:
>
>> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to
>> some
>> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>>
>> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
>> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
>> simple
>> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>>
>
> There is such a thing vegan mayonnaise - I have one by Hampton Creek
> called "Just Mayo" (mine came from Whole Foods) and it's the best
> commercial mayonnaise I've ever tasted, vegan or not. Mix your vegan
> mayo with some fresh lemon juice and you'll have a tasty mock
> hollandaise.
>
> Alternatively, a quick Google produced these:
> http://www.treehugger.com/easy-veget...-dressing.html
> http://www.vegetariantimes.com/recip...-tahini-sauce/

Could you tell me where you got this in the store? Oh the shelf? Or the
refrigerated case? I have not seen that brand and the others I've tried
left a lot to be desired.

Dave Smith > wrote:
>Needless to say, when the parents go to visit the vegetarians there is no
> reciprocal accommodation. If the parents >want meat they have to go to
> a restaurant. They get to eat meat while the vegetarians have their fare
> , and the parents >get stuck with the bill.

I hear ya. Whenever I go over to my Muslim buddy's house I always bitch
and moan about his inability to serve me some bacon and ham. And when I
visit my Hindu friend I can't believe that she won't offer me beef. And
don't get me started on the Jews - where's my fried rice with pork and
shrimp? What a pain in the ass!

I'm sure the poor parents you mentioned would drop quite dead if they were
not able to eat meat for a few days. How can people be so cruel to their
poor parents?

"P Jameson" > wrote:
> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.

How about sun dried tomatoes, crushed to a powder, and mixed with some
olive oil? I might throw a pinch of savory in there too, tomatoes and
savory like each other.

Another option is to just dress it with some salt. Sometimes a sauce
really isn't necessary. One option that adds a lot of flavor to anything
is sautéing instead of the more typical steaming or boiling. Remember,
brown is the color of flavor.

On 5/6/2014 5:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 6 May 2014 15:57:59 +0100, "P Jameson"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to
>>> some
>>> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>>>
>>> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower.
>>> But
>>> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
>>> simple
>>> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> There is such a thing vegan mayonnaise - I have one by Hampton Creek
>> called "Just Mayo" (mine came from Whole Foods) and it's the best
>> commercial mayonnaise I've ever tasted, vegan or not. Mix your vegan
>> mayo with some fresh lemon juice and you'll have a tasty mock
>> hollandaise.
>>
>> Alternatively, a quick Google produced these:
>> http://www.treehugger.com/easy-veget...-dressing.html
>>
>> http://www.vegetariantimes.com/recip...-tahini-sauce/
>>
>
> Could you tell me where you got this in the store? Oh the shelf? Or
> the refrigerated case? I have not seen that brand and the others I've
> tried left a lot to be desired.


They are not really sauces but Indians do a lot of good things with
cauliflower


1. Cauliflower With Egg

2. Cauliflower with ginger and coriander.

3. Fried Cauliflower

4. Indian Potatoes and Cauliflower (Aloo Gobi ki Subzi)

5. Cauliflower and Potatoes with Fenugreek Crispin Cowan

6. Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes

7. Gobi Aloo (Cauliflower And Potatoes)

If there's any interest, I can post the complete recipes




--
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Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/6/2014 5:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 6 May 2014 15:57:59 +0100, "P Jameson"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to
>>>> some
>>>> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>>>>
>>>> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower.
>>>> But
>>>> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
>>>> simple
>>>> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is such a thing vegan mayonnaise - I have one by Hampton Creek
>>> called "Just Mayo" (mine came from Whole Foods) and it's the best
>>> commercial mayonnaise I've ever tasted, vegan or not. Mix your vegan
>>> mayo with some fresh lemon juice and you'll have a tasty mock
>>> hollandaise.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, a quick Google produced these:
>>> http://www.treehugger.com/easy-veget...-dressing.html
>>>
>>> http://www.vegetariantimes.com/recip...-tahini-sauce/
>>>
>>
>> Could you tell me where you got this in the store? Oh the shelf? Or
>> the refrigerated case? I have not seen that brand and the others I've
>> tried left a lot to be desired.
>
>
> They are not really sauces but Indians do a lot of good things with
> cauliflower
>
>
> 1. Cauliflower With Egg
>
> 2. Cauliflower with ginger and coriander.
>
> 3. Fried Cauliflower
>
> 4. Indian Potatoes and Cauliflower (Aloo Gobi ki Subzi)
>
> 5. Cauliflower and Potatoes with Fenugreek Crispin Cowan
>
> 6. Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes
>
> 7. Gobi Aloo (Cauliflower And Potatoes)
>
> If there's any interest, I can post the complete recipes


Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes please?


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On 2014-05-06 6:05 PM, James Silverton wrote:

> They are not really sauces but Indians do a lot of good things with
> cauliflower
>
>
> 1. Cauliflower With Egg
>
> 2. Cauliflower with ginger and coriander.
>
> 3. Fried Cauliflower
>
> 4. Indian Potatoes and Cauliflower (Aloo Gobi ki Subzi)
>
> 5. Cauliflower and Potatoes with Fenugreek Crispin Cowan
>
> 6. Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes
>
> 7. Gobi Aloo (Cauliflower And Potatoes)
>
> If there's any interest, I can post the complete recipes
>
>


Cauliflower marinated in yogurt and curry powder then grilled.

> On 5/6/2014 5:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> >>>
> >>
> >> There is such a thing vegan mayonnaise - I have one by Hampton Creek
> >> called "Just Mayo" (mine came from Whole Foods) and it's the best
> >> commercial mayonnaise I've ever tasted, vegan or not. Mix your vegan
> >> mayo with some fresh lemon juice and you'll have a tasty mock
> >> hollandaise.
> >>
> >
> > Could you tell me where you got this in the store? Oh the shelf? Or
> > the refrigerated case? I have not seen that brand and the others I've
> > tried left a lot to be desired.

They were handing out samples and I took it from the sample table.
You can use the "find it" feature here - http://www.hamptoncreek.com/
to find a store in your area, but I can't tell you where it's located
inside the store. Sorry.


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

P Jameson wrote:
>
> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
> simple
> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.

Cauliflower florets are good deep fried and served with ketchup same
as freedom fries... if for some odd reason tomato ketchup isn't vegan
tell your guests to bring their own sauce... personally I'd tell those
food freaks to eat prior to visiting, and I'd hope they'd reject the
invite all together... vegans/vegetarians... they're sickos!

On Tue, 6 May 2014 21:56:06 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

> I'm sure the poor parents you mentioned would drop quite dead if they were
> not able to eat meat for a few days. How can people be so cruel to their
> poor parents?

You missed the point, which was reciprocation.


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 2014-05-06 17:56, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>> Needless to say, when the parents go to visit the vegetarians there is no
>> reciprocal accommodation. If the parents >want meat they have to go to
>> a restaurant. They get to eat meat while the vegetarians have their fare
>> , and the parents >get stuck with the bill.
>
> I hear ya. Whenever I go over to my Muslim buddy's house I always bitch
> and moan about his inability to serve me some bacon and ham. And when I
> visit my Hindu friend I can't believe that she won't offer me beef. And
> don't get me started on the Jews - where's my fried rice with pork and
> shrimp? What a pain in the ass!
>
> I'm sure the poor parents you mentioned would drop quite dead if they were
> not able to eat meat for a few days. How can people be so cruel to their
> poor parents?
>
It is called reciprocity. When those two come for a visit they expect
everyone else to become vegetarian for their benefit. If they expect
parents to provide vegetarian food for them, perhaps they could at least
tolerate the visiting parents eating meat.

On 5/6/2014 10:57 AM, P Jameson wrote:

> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>
>

I've never cooked for anyone who is vegan, so I'd consider it a
challenge and take it on gracefully. I guess it would require some
input from them, plus a little education before going shopping. I don't
eat vegan, and love meat for my protein, so I'd probably cook two
different meals. If it's only for a short visit I don't think that
would be a problem, and I'd love to learn how others eat when on a
restricted diet, even if it's by choice or religion.

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Cheryl

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
>> On 5/6/2014 5:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > "sf" > wrote in message
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> There is such a thing vegan mayonnaise - I have one by Hampton Creek
>> >> called "Just Mayo" (mine came from Whole Foods) and it's the best
>> >> commercial mayonnaise I've ever tasted, vegan or not. Mix your vegan
>> >> mayo with some fresh lemon juice and you'll have a tasty mock
>> >> hollandaise.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Could you tell me where you got this in the store? Oh the shelf? Or
>> > the refrigerated case? I have not seen that brand and the others I've
>> > tried left a lot to be desired.
>
> They were handing out samples and I took it from the sample table.
> You can use the "find it" feature here - http://www.hamptoncreek.com/
> to find a store in your area, but I can't tell you where it's located
> inside the store. Sorry.
>
>
Thanks! Looks like only Safeway has it here.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 5/6/2014 10:57 AM, P Jameson wrote:
>
>> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to
>> some
>> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>>
>> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
>> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
>> simple
>> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>>
>>
>
> I've never cooked for anyone who is vegan, so I'd consider it a challenge
> and take it on gracefully. I guess it would require some input from them,
> plus a little education before going shopping. I don't eat vegan, and
> love meat for my protein, so I'd probably cook two different meals. If
> it's only for a short visit I don't think that would be a problem, and I'd
> love to learn how others eat when on a restricted diet, even if it's by
> choice or religion.

When I have people with varying dietary needs, I usually do a salad bar. I
can have meat, eggs and cheese for those who want them. I also make sure to
have some beans and nuts. Popcorn goes well with this. Also vegetable
soup. Just make sure not to use beef or chicken broth for vegans.

Dave Smith > wrote in news:FLdav.22333$%N.2311
@fx28.iad:

> On 2014-05-06 6:05 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> They are not really sauces but Indians do a lot of good things with
>> cauliflower
>>
>>
>> 1. Cauliflower With Egg
>>
Oh no, eggs are exploitation.
>>
>> 2. Cauliflower with ginger and coriander.
>>
>> 3. Fried Cauliflower
>>
>> 4. Indian Potatoes and Cauliflower (Aloo Gobi ki Subzi)
>>
>> 5. Cauliflower and Potatoes with Fenugreek Crispin Cowan
>>
>> 6. Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes
>>
>> 7. Gobi Aloo (Cauliflower And Potatoes)
>>
>> If there's any interest, I can post the complete recipes
>>
>>
>
>
> Cauliflower marinated in yogurt and curry powder then grilled.
>
Yogurt is made from milk, and milk is rape.
>
Dave's earlier post was spot on. Vegans shouldn't expect normal people to
cater to their kookiness.



--
--Bryan

"Happy ****ing 'new years' that was when me and my father
had to identify her dead mud covered body they pulled from
the family car she'd driven into the Mississippi river!"
--John Kuthe in rec.food.cooking, 3-7-2014

ImStillMags > wrote in
:

> On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:03:13 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
>>
>> Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
>>
>> vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me
>> on
>>
>> stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce. Nothing, NOTHING
>>
>> was suitable for His Nibs. Though he made an exception for the peanut
>>
>> butter-and-chocolate spread we'd gotten for the grandkids. That was
>>
>> the only thing he ate for the duration of his stay.
>>
>>
>>
>> The next time he invited himself to stay with me, I told him he was
>> no
>>
>> longer welcome. He can fuss with food all he likes, but I won't be
>>
>> subjected to another person's petty whims in MY house.
>
>
> I'm always trying to be helpful to people with special needs diets.

Vegan isn't a "need."

> My one pet peeve is MILITANT vegans.

There were some of the animal rights kooks protesting the U of S Florida
Medical School's use of lab animals, so I went to the grocery store and
bought a raw steak and stood across the street from them eating it raw and
insulting them. I called them B-12 deficient. It was fun.



--
--Bryan

"Happy ****ing 'new years' that was when me and my father
had to identify her dead mud covered body they pulled from
the family car she'd driven into the Mississippi river!"
--John Kuthe in rec.food.cooking, 3-7-2014

"Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
...
> ImStillMags > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:03:13 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
>>>
>>> vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me
>>> on
>>>
>>> stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce. Nothing, NOTHING
>>>
>>> was suitable for His Nibs. Though he made an exception for the peanut
>>>
>>> butter-and-chocolate spread we'd gotten for the grandkids. That was
>>>
>>> the only thing he ate for the duration of his stay.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The next time he invited himself to stay with me, I told him he was
>>> no
>>>
>>> longer welcome. He can fuss with food all he likes, but I won't be
>>>
>>> subjected to another person's petty whims in MY house.
>>
>>
>> I'm always trying to be helpful to people with special needs diets.
>
> Vegan isn't a "need."
>
>> My one pet peeve is MILITANT vegans.
>
> There were some of the animal rights kooks protesting the U of S Florida
> Medical School's use of lab animals, so I went to the grocery store and
> bought a raw steak and stood across the street from them eating it raw and
> insulting them. I called them B-12 deficient. It was fun.
>

If you and some buddies set up a grill, you would have been harder for them
to ignore, with the lovely aroma wafting over them. But I like your
thinking.

On 5/6/2014 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> If it's only for a short visit I don't think
> that would be a problem, and I'd love to learn how others eat when on
> a restricted diet, even if it's by choice or religion.
>

You needn't go far to find fussy eaters to cater to. Just befriend a
family with elementary school-aged kids, and you can learn how to feed
them while avoiding everything that the kids turn up their noses at.

The people who are genuine with regards to their dietary restrictions
tend not to make a public display over them. You can tell when it's
attention seeking behavior instead of principle or medical necessity
when they go on and on and on and on about it. If they criticize you
for failing to acknowledge their requirements, that's the second clue.
The trifecta is when they eat something that should be forbidden, but
they have a ridiculous rationalization for making the exception. OR
vice-versa: when they refuse to eat something that's a major component
of their diet. In the example of my houseguest, he called himself a
vegan, but he absolutely refused to eat *any* type of fruit or
vegetable in any form. He told me the only food he normally ate was
pancakes. He also constantly complained of ill health. When I
suggested his diet was most likely a factor, he flared up at me. As
long as he called it veganism, it was lofty and thus above criticism
or reproach. In his case, calling it an eating disorder would've been
more accurate.

"Pico Rico" > wrote in
:

>
> "Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ImStillMags > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:03:13 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
>>>>
>>>> vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>> stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce. Nothing,
>>>> NOTHING
>>>>
>>>> was suitable for His Nibs. Though he made an exception for the
>>>> peanut
>>>>
>>>> butter-and-chocolate spread we'd gotten for the grandkids. That was
>>>>
>>>> the only thing he ate for the duration of his stay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The next time he invited himself to stay with me, I told him he was
>>>> no
>>>>
>>>> longer welcome. He can fuss with food all he likes, but I won't be
>>>>
>>>> subjected to another person's petty whims in MY house.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm always trying to be helpful to people with special needs diets.
>>
>> Vegan isn't a "need."
>>
>>> My one pet peeve is MILITANT vegans.
>>
>> There were some of the animal rights kooks protesting the U of S
>> Florida Medical School's use of lab animals, so I went to the grocery
>> store and bought a raw steak and stood across the street from them
>> eating it raw and insulting them. I called them B-12 deficient. It
>> was fun.
>>
>
> If you and some buddies set up a grill, you would have been harder for
> them to ignore, with the lovely aroma wafting over them. But I like
> your thinking.
>
I didn't have any buddies (other than my wife and her grandmother)
because we had moved there for my wife's graduate school. I don't even
think I had a grill (imagine that). I've had a lot of fun over the
years with counter-protests. The KKK was especially fun. I made stupid
faces at the folks on the stage, holding a sign that said, "YOUR IDEAS
ARE SILLY AND YOUR MOTHERS DRESS YOU FUNNY," I got the one actor to
start laughing. Those fine looking examples of the Aryan race up on the
KKK's stage ARE NOT ideological Klan members, but paid actors. They are
trained for conflict, but aparrently not for my sort of heckling.

We filmed one of them, "THE BONOBOS PROTEST OPERATION RESCUE." I also
picketed a Southern Baptist church one Sunday morning after their little
male supremacy declaration. I've shown up twice to yell at the Westboro
folks, with signs suggesting that they sexually abuse their children,
but the best is the Life Chain events. I stand just past their last
person with a giant sign that says, "REDUCE ABORTION HAVE MORE ORAL
SEX." It makes them very angry.
http://www.lifechain.net/

The first Life Chain I did, I had that sign in my car from the Operation
Rescue event, and I saw these folks lined up along a busy street, so I
turned around and parked, and got out with my sign. The enemy had their
kids out there on the front lines of the culture war, so I directed
comments to the kids, telling them that sex was the funnest thing in the
world, and that their parents were lying to them because they were
jealous of their youth, and that their parents wished they could have
sex with the kids. That *really* made them angry, but **** them. They
bring their children onto the front lines of the culture war... This
happed soon after we'd composed Coat Hanger Days, and I was primed for
battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYkvma1ysfo

So far, to my knowledge, I've only contributed to one car accident. I
don't even remember what the sign said, but it was something insulting
GW Bush, and one outraged motorist was so busy raging at me that he ran
into the rear end of a police car at a stoplight. He was only going a
few miles an hour, but when I saw that happen, I immediately folded up
my sign and got out of there. I didn't stick around to see him explain
to the cop why he'd hit him.

I don't just rile folks from the safety of Usenet.
>



--
--Bryan

"Happy ****ing 'new years' that was when me and my father
had to identify her dead mud covered body they pulled from
the family car she'd driven into the Mississippi river!"
--John Kuthe in rec.food.cooking, 3-7-2014

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 5:34:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-05-06 10:57 AM, P Jameson wrote:
>
> > We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
>
> > 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> >
>
> > Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
>
> > since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
>
> > sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> For vegans the menu should be BYOF. They won't even eat honey because it
>
> involves the exploitation of insect workers. If they won't let an
>
> animal help to prepare food for them don't expect me to work for them.

My son has a friend he calls "The Evil Vegan." This guy wanted to do a burrito eating challange which required him to eat a 5 lb burrito in 30 minutes.. He got his burrito in vegan and I decided to take around the mall because there's nothing quite as boring as watching a guy eat a burrito, even a 5 lb one. My plan was to walk around and then come back in time to see the crushing defeat. When I came back 20 minutes later, it was all over. The guy ate the whole thing in 15 minutes and was smiling like he at a one dollar burger. Truly, he was the evil one.

My suggestion is that you dump that cauliflower and cheese in a big tortilla wrap along with any scraps of veggies you can find, roll it all up, and serve it with a big grin. At that point you would have done all that could have been done and you can go gnaw on a big piece of meat material.

"Winters_Lackey" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Smith > wrote in news:FLdav.22333$%N.2311
> @fx28.iad:
>
>> On 2014-05-06 6:05 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>> They are not really sauces but Indians do a lot of good things with
>>> cauliflower
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Cauliflower With Egg
>>>
> Oh no, eggs are exploitation.
>>>
>>> 2. Cauliflower with ginger and coriander.
>>>
>>> 3. Fried Cauliflower
>>>
>>> 4. Indian Potatoes and Cauliflower (Aloo Gobi ki Subzi)
>>>
>>> 5. Cauliflower and Potatoes with Fenugreek Crispin Cowan
>>>
>>> 6. Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes
>>>
>>> 7. Gobi Aloo (Cauliflower And Potatoes)
>>>
>>> If there's any interest, I can post the complete recipes
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Cauliflower marinated in yogurt and curry powder then grilled.
>>
> Yogurt is made from milk, and milk is rape.
>>
> Dave's earlier post was spot on. Vegans shouldn't expect normal people to
> cater to their kookiness.
>
There is coconut and soy yogurt. Both vegan.

"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/6/2014 10:54 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
>> If it's only for a short visit I don't think
>> that would be a problem, and I'd love to learn how others eat when on
>> a restricted diet, even if it's by choice or religion.
>>
>
> You needn't go far to find fussy eaters to cater to. Just befriend a
> family with elementary school-aged kids, and you can learn how to feed
> them while avoiding everything that the kids turn up their noses at.
>
> The people who are genuine with regards to their dietary restrictions tend
> not to make a public display over them. You can tell when it's attention
> seeking behavior instead of principle or medical necessity when they go on
> and on and on and on about it. If they criticize you for failing to
> acknowledge their requirements, that's the second clue. The trifecta is
> when they eat something that should be forbidden, but they have a
> ridiculous rationalization for making the exception. OR vice-versa: when
> they refuse to eat something that's a major component of their diet. In
> the example of my houseguest, he called himself a vegan, but he absolutely
> refused to eat *any* type of fruit or vegetable in any form. He told me
> the only food he normally ate was pancakes. He also constantly complained
> of ill health. When I suggested his diet was most likely a factor, he
> flared up at me. As long as he called it veganism, it was lofty and thus
> above criticism or reproach. In his case, calling it an eating disorder
> would've been more accurate.

That's not always the case. I know of seniors who really should avoid
certain foods for medical reasons, but they will rationalize why they can
have them sometimes. In these cases, yes, some sort of dementia or senility
has set in. Try to talk them out of it and they may try to physically fight
you to get at the food. It isn't pretty. Then they eat it, get sick, then
wonder why they are sick and expect sympathy. BTDT too many times!

I don't expect people to make food for me. In fact I would much prefer that
they did not. Invariably, they will do something wrong. Like using any old
margarine instead of butter and thinking that I can eat it because they
think there is no dairy in margarine. When in fact, most margarine contains
dairy. Or the most common thing, making some weird dessert with sugar
alcohols which I will not eat. They seem to think that all diabetics are
just longing for sweets. Or they will buy me some kind of expensive pseudo
food that even though I am not intolerant to anything in it, is not
something I would want to eat. So I would just rather bring my own food.

On Wed, 07 May 2014 14:45:19 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

> You needn't go far to find fussy eaters to cater to. Just befriend a
> family with elementary school-aged kids, and you can learn how to feed
> them while avoiding everything that the kids turn up their noses at.

Excellent idea! Ages 2-10 are a good range to choose from.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Wed, 7 May 2014 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> My suggestion is that you dump that cauliflower and cheese in a big tortilla wrap along with any scraps of veggies you can find, roll it all up, and serve it with a big grin. At that point you would have done all that could have been done and you can go gnaw on a big piece of meat material.

But you'd have to find a vegan tortilla first. A lettuce wrap might
be easier (and healthier).

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 7 May 2014 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> My suggestion is that you dump that cauliflower and cheese in a big
>> tortilla wrap along with any scraps of veggies you can find, roll it all
>> up, and serve it with a big grin. At that point you would have done all
>> that could have been done and you can go gnaw on a big piece of meat
>> material.
>
> But you'd have to find a vegan tortilla first. A lettuce wrap might
> be easier (and healthier).
>
Actually, kale wraps are more popular with the vegan community.

On 5/7/2014 5:52 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 7 May 2014 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> My suggestion is that you dump that cauliflower and cheese in a big tortilla wrap along with any scraps of veggies you can find, roll it all up, and serve it with a big grin. At that point you would have done all that could have been done and you can go gnaw on a big piece of meat material.
>
> But you'd have to find a vegan tortilla first. A lettuce wrap might
> be easier (and healthier).
>

My assumption was that a tortilla was vegan. I can't say that a bunch of
veggies wrapped in lettuce would be healthier than a bunch of veggies
wrapped in a tortilla although meat and cheese might be a wee bit
healthier if wrapped in lettuce. OTOH, anything that you eat once or
twice or occasionally probably won't have any effect on your health in
the long run.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/7/2014 5:52 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 May 2014 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My suggestion is that you dump that cauliflower and cheese in a big
>>> tortilla wrap along with any scraps of veggies you can find, roll it all
>>> up, and serve it with a big grin. At that point you would have done all
>>> that could have been done and you can go gnaw on a big piece of meat
>>> material.
>>
>> But you'd have to find a vegan tortilla first. A lettuce wrap might
>> be easier (and healthier).
>>
>
> My assumption was that a tortilla was vegan. I can't say that a bunch of
> veggies wrapped in lettuce would be healthier than a bunch of veggies
> wrapped in a tortilla although meat and cheese might be a wee bit
> healthier if wrapped in lettuce. OTOH, anything that you eat once or twice
> or occasionally probably won't have any effect on your health in the long
> run.

Some tortillas contain lard. For vegans you can't just assume that because
something doesn't look like meat, it isn't! Most Mexican rice has chicken
broth in it and refried beans can contain lard or in some cases Chorizo or
bacon. Many Mexican restaurants offer whole pinto beans and/or black beans
as a vegan option.

On Wed, 07 May 2014 22:42:40 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 5/7/2014 5:52 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 May 2014 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My suggestion is that you dump that cauliflower and cheese in a big tortilla wrap along with any scraps of veggies you can find, roll it all up, and serve it with a big grin. At that point you would have done all that could have been done and you can go gnaw on a big piece of meat material.
> >
> > But you'd have to find a vegan tortilla first. A lettuce wrap might
> > be easier (and healthier).
> >
>
> My assumption was that a tortilla was vegan. I can't say that a bunch of
> veggies wrapped in lettuce would be healthier than a bunch of veggies
> wrapped in a tortilla although meat and cheese might be a wee bit
> healthier if wrapped in lettuce. OTOH, anything that you eat once or
> twice or occasionally probably won't have any effect on your health in
> the long run.

Tortillas use lard. Maybe pita would be a better option. Naan uses
butter. Cheese isn't going to work either, it's cow exploitation.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

P Jameson wrote:
> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to some
> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>
> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very simple
> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>
>
Must you have a sauce? I am thinking of a preparation like tandoori
cauliflower (tandoori gobi). Of course, you won't be able to use ghee.
You can get vegan "yogurt" if such a formula requires that

For that matter, there are a lot of yummy Indian cauliflower recipes...
like gobi muttar (sp varies; this would be cauliflower with peas), and
I think there is also a cauliflower with potatoes (aloo).

If such an approach appeals to you, I can dredge around for recipes.
Since I seem not to be here frequently these days, you might want to
shoot me an email in addition to posting here.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 5/6/2014 9:57 AM, P Jameson wrote:
>> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to
>> some
>> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>>
>> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower. But
>> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
>> simple
>> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>>
>>
>
> I'd just use olive oil with garlic and some herbs. If they don't want
> that, invite them to explore your pantry to whomp something up for
> themselves. Trust me, they'll spend the next two hours reading labels.
>
> Been there. Done that. My vegan guest turned up his nose at all the
> vegetables and healthful foods I'd stocked for him, and lectured me on
> stuff I didn't know was verboten, such as soy sauce. Nothing, NOTHING
> was suitable for His Nibs. Though he made an exception for the peanut
> butter-and-chocolate spread we'd gotten for the grandkids. That was the
> only thing he ate for the duration of his stay.
>
> The next time he invited himself to stay with me, I told him he was no
> longer welcome. He can fuss with food all he likes, but I won't be
> subjected to another person's petty whims in MY house.

Oh. Well, that being the possible case, I don't know that my
suggestions would pass muster. Jeesh.

James Silverton wrote:
> On 5/6/2014 5:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 6 May 2014 15:57:59 +0100, "P Jameson"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to
>>>> some
>>>> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>>>>
>>>> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower.
>>>> But
>>>> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
>>>> simple
>>>> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is such a thing vegan mayonnaise - I have one by Hampton Creek
>>> called "Just Mayo" (mine came from Whole Foods) and it's the best
>>> commercial mayonnaise I've ever tasted, vegan or not. Mix your vegan
>>> mayo with some fresh lemon juice and you'll have a tasty mock
>>> hollandaise.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, a quick Google produced these:
>>> http://www.treehugger.com/easy-veget...-dressing.html
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.vegetariantimes.com/recip...-tahini-sauce/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Could you tell me where you got this in the store? Oh the shelf? Or
>> the refrigerated case? I have not seen that brand and the others I've
>> tried left a lot to be desired.
>
>
> They are not really sauces but Indians do a lot of good things with
> cauliflower
>
>
> 1. Cauliflower With Egg
>
> 2. Cauliflower with ginger and coriander.
>
> 3. Fried Cauliflower
>
> 4. Indian Potatoes and Cauliflower (Aloo Gobi ki Subzi)
>
> 5. Cauliflower and Potatoes with Fenugreek Crispin Cowan
>
> 6. Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes
>
> 7. Gobi Aloo (Cauliflower And Potatoes)
>
> If there's any interest, I can post the complete recipes
>
>
Great minds think alike... or something like that.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-05-06 6:05 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> They are not really sauces but Indians do a lot of good things with
>> cauliflower
>>
>>
>> 1. Cauliflower With Egg
>>
>> 2. Cauliflower with ginger and coriander.
>>
>> 3. Fried Cauliflower
>>
>> 4. Indian Potatoes and Cauliflower (Aloo Gobi ki Subzi)
>>
>> 5. Cauliflower and Potatoes with Fenugreek Crispin Cowan
>>
>> 6. Crisp Cauliflower & Potatoes
>>
>> 7. Gobi Aloo (Cauliflower And Potatoes)
>>
>> If there's any interest, I can post the complete recipes
>>
>>
>
>
> Cauliflower marinated in yogurt and curry powder then grilled.
>
Vegan yogurt..., I'm sure.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> On 5/6/2014 10:57 AM, P Jameson wrote:
>>
>>> We have just acquired two excellent cauliflower which I shall feed to
>>> some
>>> 'vegan' guests very soon.
>>>
>>> Even as a novice I've managed to make a cheese sauce for cauliflower.
>>> But
>>> since 'Dairy' is out for them; would anyone be able to advise a very
>>> simple
>>> sauce of any kind to go just with the cauliflower? Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've never cooked for anyone who is vegan, so I'd consider it a
>> challenge and take it on gracefully. I guess it would require some
>> input from them, plus a little education before going shopping. I
>> don't eat vegan, and love meat for my protein, so I'd probably cook
>> two different meals. If it's only for a short visit I don't think
>> that would be a problem, and I'd love to learn how others eat when on
>> a restricted diet, even if it's by choice or religion.
>
> When I have people with varying dietary needs, I usually do a salad
> bar. I can have meat, eggs and cheese for those who want them. I also
> make sure to have some beans and nuts. Popcorn goes well with this.
> Also vegetable soup. Just make sure not to use beef or chicken broth
> for vegans.

You'd better keep the non-vegan ingredients far away from the others.
God forbid that a speck of one get into something else. For that
matter, people serving themselves could drop something.