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>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>> Your individual circumstances are not indicative of the whole. We're
>>>> talking a national epidemic and not your story which is a statistical
>>>> outlier. Based on you history I would be shocked if you never did get
>>>> diabetes.
>>>
>>> No doubt there is a national epidemic but nobody knows why. Some people
>>> blame hormones in milk and meat. Others blame HFCS. But none of that
>>> has been proven. Nobody but you though and my husband would claim that
>>> anyone ate themselves into being diabetic. It just doesn't work that
>>> way! But diabetes in and of itself can cause a person to overeat. High
>>> blood sugar causes the body to essentially starve.
>>
>> Nobody but him and me and 9./10ths of the scientific community. It isn't
>> a matter of overeating it is a matter of stressing the pancreas with what
>> you eat. Now that I check every label for carb content I am sometimes
>> shocked at the massive amounts in most prepared foods. Years ago I used
>> to buy those crappy fish sticks when they were on sale. I'd make crappy
>> fish tacos with them. Come to find out they have about 40 grams each of
>> carbs and I could easily eat 6 because they are fish after all. 240
>> grams of carbs in one shot is a massive amount. Add another 60 for the
>> tortillas and you have a jolt to the pancreas it cannot long endure. .
>> And people eat like that three times a day every day. How about kids
>> breakfast cereals that are 90% sugar and the kids wash them down with
>> chocolate milk then have a cheeseburger and fries and a Mountain Dew for
>> lunch then eat a plate of pasta for dinner with 6 cans of Coke in
>> between. The human body was never designed to eat like that.
>
> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of carbs.

Explaion why there are so many that cannot drink milk? When you look at
statistical averages diet and lifetstyle is the leading cause.


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On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of carbs.

Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was thin
- and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years ago
and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna be
trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.


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On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:51:22 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
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> >>>> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's
> >>>>> > documented
> >>>>> > science.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people
> >>>>> would be
> >>>>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
> >>>>> diabetics.
> >>>>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
> >>>>> obese.
> >>>>
> >>>> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
> >>>> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
> >>>> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
> >>>> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
> >>>> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
> >>>> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
> >>>> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
> >>>> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
> >>>>
> >>> A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that
> >>> doesn't mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in
> >>> another reply, uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in
> >>> general. And for some it can make them crave carbs. The cells in the
> >>> body are glycoslated (covered in sugar), so the nutrients can't get in.
> >>> They feel like they are starving and they are! They could eat and eat
> >>> and eat but those nutrients won't get into their system.
> >>
> >> *After* they get diabetes.
> >
> > Sure! But the average type 2 has had the disease for a good 10 years
> > before being diagnosed.
>
> I read 5 years.
>

5-10 who cares. Those are the very same people who are claiming
they're healthy and can eat anything they want.


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On 5/24/2014 3:04 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> But I do blame the medical
> industry and their massive profit margins and greed for part of that. What
> excuse is there to quintuple lab costs overnight?

What I have,personally, seen is that the cost for uninsured people is
outrageous because the amount paid for the same procedures by insurance
companies is very low. Medical facilities believe they can make up some
of their profit by charging the uninsured many times more than what they
get from insurance companies.

I was not on Medicare when I got my first cancer in 2006 and my
insurance company, though they paid for a good deal of the expenses, did
not have a contract with the hospital I was using. The charges by the
hospital were often 8 to 10 times higher to an "uninsured" (if the
insurance didn't have a contract with them, you were uninsured) person.

Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
over $50,000.
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>> You might as well talk to a fence post Julie. My dh is thin, he has eaten
>> white rice, ice cream, candy carb loading pasta, bread etc. and has NOT
>> developed diabetes or even elevated numbers at almost 70, also wonderful
>> blood pressure and cholesterol readings...go figure.
>
> I have had male friends like that. They could eat 6 times what I could
> and were still hungry. One drank tons of juice. He was quite active.
> The other? Lazy as they come. Neither had any health issues.

Neither did I until I turned 44. Then all of a suddent I was diagnosed with
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On 5/24/2014 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>
> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
> over $50,000.

Did you have to pay it? Seriously, many hospitals will bill you and
they do not expect you to pay it all, if any. Our community hospital
sends bills and will accept even $5 a month and after a given time
period (I think a year) they just stop billing and do not attempt to
collect.

On 2014-05-24 3:49 PM, sf wrote:

>>> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
>>> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
>>> illness etc. and that's documented science too.
>>
>> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
>
> How old are they? People in the 40's can be obese and still healthy
> as a horse, but they'll be going downhill soon.
>

My brother and his wife you are friends who were really obese. She went
in a strict diet and supposedly lost 100 lb, and I never noticed. They
both seemed healthy. They ate like pigs, especially the husband. He
could probably eat more in one sitting that BN would graze in a day.

Then they hit 50 and their health went down the tubes. He could hardly
walk. I guess his knees could not handle all that weight. Then he was
diagnosed with cancer and died within a few months. Within a year the
wife died on cancer.

On 2014-05-24 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> I was not on Medicare when I got my first cancer in 2006 and my
> insurance company, though they paid for a good deal of the expenses, did
> not have a contract with the hospital I was using. The charges by the
> hospital were often 8 to 10 times higher to an "uninsured" (if the
> insurance didn't have a contract with them, you were uninsured) person.
>
> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
> over $50,000.


My costs for angiogram, bypass surgery, 4 days in ICU and 3 more days in
a ward...... zero. My cost for emergency gall bladder and four days in
hospital last year.... zero.

FWIW... it is my understanding that dentists here charge people more
when they have insurance.

On 5/24/2014 4:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/24/2014 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>
>> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
>> over $50,000.
>
> Did you have to pay it? Seriously, many hospitals will bill you and
> they do not expect you to pay it all, if any. Our community hospital
> sends bills and will accept even $5 a month and after a given time
> period (I think a year) they just stop billing and do not attempt to
> collect.

I most certainly did have to pay it. They would have placed me in
collection and sued me if I did not.

They actually billed me for far more than I owed them and it was a 3
year journey to get that straightened out, but they did not know with
whom they were dealing. :-)


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On 5/24/2014 4:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-05-24 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> I was not on Medicare when I got my first cancer in 2006 and my
>> insurance company, though they paid for a good deal of the expenses, did
>> not have a contract with the hospital I was using. The charges by the
>> hospital were often 8 to 10 times higher to an "uninsured" (if the
>> insurance didn't have a contract with them, you were uninsured) person.
>>
>> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
>> over $50,000.
>
>
> My costs for angiogram, bypass surgery, 4 days in ICU and 3 more days in
> a ward...... zero. My cost for emergency gall bladder and four days in
> hospital last year.... zero.
\
In his last job my son (Human Resource Management) dealt with several
Canadian facilities and they all wanted private insurance. I've met
several Brits and Aussies who also have private insurance. If the
social insurance in the Commonwealth countries was so awesome, why do
they all want private insurance.

> FWIW... it is my understanding that dentists here charge people more
> when they have insurance.


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On 2014-05-24 18:54, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 5/24/2014 4:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-05-24 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> I was not on Medicare when I got my first cancer in 2006 and my
>>> insurance company, though they paid for a good deal of the expenses, did
>>> not have a contract with the hospital I was using. The charges by the
>>> hospital were often 8 to 10 times higher to an "uninsured" (if the
>>> insurance didn't have a contract with them, you were uninsured) person.
>>>
>>> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
>>> over $50,000.
>>
>>
>> My costs for angiogram, bypass surgery, 4 days in ICU and 3 more days in
>> a ward...... zero. My cost for emergency gall bladder and four days in
>> hospital last year.... zero.
> \
> In his last job my son (Human Resource Management) dealt with several
> Canadian facilities and they all wanted private insurance. I've met
> several Brits and Aussies who also have private insurance. If the
> social insurance in the Commonwealth countries was so awesome, why do
> they all want private insurance.


That would be drug and dental plans.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
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>>>>> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's
>>>>>> > documented
>>>>>> > science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
>>>>>> diabetics.
>>>>>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
>>>>>> obese.
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
>>>>> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
>>>>> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
>>>>> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
>>>>> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
>>>>> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
>>>>> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
>>>>> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>>>>>
>>>> A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that
>>>> doesn't mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in
>>>> another reply, uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in
>>>> general. And for some it can make them crave carbs. The cells in the
>>>> body are glycoslated (covered in sugar), so the nutrients can't get in.
>>>> They feel like they are starving and they are! They could eat and eat
>>>> and eat but those nutrients won't get into their system.
>>>
>>> *After* they get diabetes.
>>
>> Sure! But the average type 2 has had the disease for a good 10 years
>> before being diagnosed.
>
> I read 5 years.

And I read 10. Either way, it is several years so... What I said still
makes sense.

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> 5-10 who cares. Those are the very same people who are claiming
> they're healthy and can eat anything they want.

Not all of them claim that. I was never one who could say that I could eat
anything I wanted once I got past the age of 16. I also couldn't claim to
be healthy because I had severe allergies and high BP. Plus a lot of female
problems.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> You might as well talk to a fence post Julie. My dh is thin, he has
>>> eaten white rice, ice cream, candy carb loading pasta, bread etc. and
>>> has NOT developed diabetes or even elevated numbers at almost 70, also
>>> wonderful blood pressure and cholesterol readings...go figure.
>>
>> I have had male friends like that. They could eat 6 times what I could
>> and were still hungry. One drank tons of juice. He was quite active.
>> The other? Lazy as they come. Neither had any health issues.
>
> Neither did I until I turned 44. Then all of a suddent I was diagnosed
> with type II diabetes.

Very sorry.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of carbs.
>
> Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
> amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
> of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was thin
> - and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years ago
> and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
> husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna be
> trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
> inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
> amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.
>

Well, one of those guys was in the military. So you know he was getting a
physical yearly. No known health problems.

On 5/24/2014 7:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-05-24 18:54, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 5/24/2014 4:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-05-24 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was not on Medicare when I got my first cancer in 2006 and my
>>>> insurance company, though they paid for a good deal of the expenses,
>>>> did
>>>> not have a contract with the hospital I was using. The charges by the
>>>> hospital were often 8 to 10 times higher to an "uninsured" (if the
>>>> insurance didn't have a contract with them, you were uninsured) person.
>>>>
>>>> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
>>>> over $50,000.
>>>
>>>
>>> My costs for angiogram, bypass surgery, 4 days in ICU and 3 more days in
>>> a ward...... zero. My cost for emergency gall bladder and four days in
>>> hospital last year.... zero.
>> \
>> In his last job my son (Human Resource Management) dealt with several
>> Canadian facilities and they all wanted private insurance. I've met
>> several Brits and Aussies who also have private insurance. If the
>> social insurance in the Commonwealth countries was so awesome, why do
>> they all want private insurance.
>
>
> That would be drug and dental plans.
>

I am sure they are medical care plans.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:42:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> > news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
>> >
>> >> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>> >> science.
>> >
>> > Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have
>> > diabetes
>> > then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
>> > illness etc. and that's documented science too.
>>
>> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
>
> How old are they? People in the 40's can be obese and still healthy
> as a horse, but they'll be going downhill soon.

They're considerably younger than me. Their oldest is a year younger than
Angela but they had her when they were like 19 or 20. So around mid 30's.
She has had 5 kids though and her dad is diabetic. She didn't have
gestational diabetes.

And she is one of those real homebody types who is constantly taking pics of
her food and putting it on FB. She makes a dessert seemingly every night,
has a big garden and does a lot of canning.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
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>
> On Sat, 24 May 2014, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>>>> science.
>>>
>>> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
>>> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
>>> illness etc. and that's documented science too.
>>
>> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
>
> YET.

The guy does have the build for Syndrome X. She does not. Carries her
excess weight in her hips and legs.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...



Correction: I wrote "I gave myself diabetes." Maybe other people get it
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On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:27:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of carbs.
> >
> > Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
> > amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
> > of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was thin
> > - and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years ago
> > and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
> > husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna be
> > trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
> > inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
> > amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.
> >
>
> Well, one of those guys was in the military. So you know he was getting a
> physical yearly. No known health problems.

Did you say he's in his 40's now and he *was* in the military, so he's
more sedentary.


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On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:25:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > 5-10 who cares. Those are the very same people who are claiming
> > they're healthy and can eat anything they want.
>
> Not all of them claim that. I was never one who could say that I could eat
> anything I wanted once I got past the age of 16. I also couldn't claim to
> be healthy because I had severe allergies and high BP. Plus a lot of female
> problems.

Nobody says EVERYONE says that, but those exceptions are certainly
being brought up as if they are the norm when they are not.


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On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:30:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:42:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> >> > news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
> >> >
> >> >> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> >> >> science.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have
> >> > diabetes
> >> > then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
> >> > illness etc. and that's documented science too.
> >>
> >> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
> >
> > How old are they? People in the 40's can be obese and still healthy
> > as a horse, but they'll be going downhill soon.
>
> They're considerably younger than me.

Wait until they're your age. If they're still not in denial, they'll
either have full blown diabetes or be dead.

> Their oldest is a year younger than
> Angela but they had her when they were like 19 or 20. So around mid 30's.
> She has had 5 kids though and her dad is diabetic. She didn't have
> gestational diabetes.
>
> And she is one of those real homebody types who is constantly taking pics of
> her food and putting it on FB. She makes a dessert seemingly every night,
> has a big garden and does a lot of canning.

I have no problem with people who do that and I wish more would. I
had to join cooking groups filled with food bloggers to get that kind
of inspiration.


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On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:31:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "barbie gee" > wrote in message
> hcrg.pbz...
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 24 May 2014, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> >>> news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
> >>>
> >>>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> >>>> science.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
> >>> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
> >>> illness etc. and that's documented science too.
> >>
> >> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
> >
> > YET.
>
> The guy does have the build for Syndrome X. She does not. Carries her
> excess weight in her hips and legs.

Beer drinkers have big gut too.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:27:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of
>> >> carbs.
>> >
>> > Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
>> > amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
>> > of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was thin
>> > - and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years ago
>> > and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
>> > husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna be
>> > trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
>> > inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
>> > amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.
>> >
>>
>> Well, one of those guys was in the military. So you know he was getting
>> a
>> physical yearly. No known health problems.
>
> Did you say he's in his 40's now and he *was* in the military, so he's
> more sedentary.
>
No. He'd be in his 50's now. Don't know if he is still in the military or
not but he was never a sedentary person. He was always very active on his
time off. If not playing sports then doing odd jobs for people.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:30:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:42:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> >> > news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
>> >> >
>> >> >> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's
>> >> >> documented
>> >> >> science.
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have
>> >> > diabetes
>> >> > then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
>> >> > illness etc. and that's documented science too.
>> >>
>> >> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
>> >
>> > How old are they? People in the 40's can be obese and still healthy
>> > as a horse, but they'll be going downhill soon.
>>
>> They're considerably younger than me.
>
> Wait until they're your age. If they're still not in denial, they'll
> either have full blown diabetes or be dead.
>
>> Their oldest is a year younger than
>> Angela but they had her when they were like 19 or 20. So around mid
>> 30's.
>> She has had 5 kids though and her dad is diabetic. She didn't have
>> gestational diabetes.
>>
>> And she is one of those real homebody types who is constantly taking pics
>> of
>> her food and putting it on FB. She makes a dessert seemingly every
>> night,
>> has a big garden and does a lot of canning.
>
> I have no problem with people who do that and I wish more would. I
> had to join cooking groups filled with food bloggers to get that kind
> of inspiration.
>
It just kills me though because she keeps complaining about being fat. I
want to say... Look at what you're *eating* every night!

As I have said before, I loved to bake and make candy when I was younger. I
would either gift people with that (stopped doing that when people accused
me of making them fat) or sold them. People liked what I made so much that
they would ask me to make things for them. I made little to no profit. I
did it because I liked to. I would figure the cost of ingredients then
perhaps round up to the nearest dollar. So I maybe made a few cents here
and there. Certainly not much of a profit.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:31:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "barbie gee" > wrote in message
>> hcrg.pbz...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, 24 May 2014, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>>
>> >>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> >>> news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
>> >>>
>> >>>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's
>> >>>> documented
>> >>>> science.
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have
>> >>> diabetes
>> >>> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
>> >>> illness etc. and that's documented science too.
>> >>
>> >> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
>> >
>> > YET.
>>
>> The guy does have the build for Syndrome X. She does not. Carries her
>> excess weight in her hips and legs.
>
> Beer drinkers have big gut too.

Some do. I know some skinny beer drinkers too. Two are women.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>
> Correction: I wrote "I gave myself diabetes." Maybe other people get it
> some other way but I know how I got it.
>
>
> ---
>
> You can keep telling yourself that but it doesn't make it true.

The science supports me. End of story. I didn't get it because it was my
destiny.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:25:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > 5-10 who cares. Those are the very same people who are claiming
>> > they're healthy and can eat anything they want.
>>
>> Not all of them claim that. I was never one who could say that I could
>> eat
>> anything I wanted once I got past the age of 16. I also couldn't claim
>> to
>> be healthy because I had severe allergies and high BP. Plus a lot of
>> female
>> problems.
>
> Nobody says EVERYONE says that, but those exceptions are certainly
> being brought up as if they are the norm when they are not.

According to Julie she has never had a healthy day in her entire life and
has been plagued with every manner of illness from birth. That she did not
develop diabetes would have been notable not that she did acquire it.

On Sat, 24 May 2014 21:27:46 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 5/24/2014 7:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-05-24 18:54, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 5/24/2014 4:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-05-24 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was not on Medicare when I got my first cancer in 2006 and my
>>>>> insurance company, though they paid for a good deal of the expenses,
>>>>> did
>>>>> not have a contract with the hospital I was using. The charges by the
>>>>> hospital were often 8 to 10 times higher to an "uninsured" (if the
>>>>> insurance didn't have a contract with them, you were uninsured) person.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
>>>>> over $50,000.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My costs for angiogram, bypass surgery, 4 days in ICU and 3 more days in
>>>> a ward...... zero. My cost for emergency gall bladder and four days in
>>>> hospital last year.... zero.
>>> \
>>> In his last job my son (Human Resource Management) dealt with several
>>> Canadian facilities and they all wanted private insurance. I've met
>>> several Brits and Aussies who also have private insurance. If the
>>> social insurance in the Commonwealth countries was so awesome, why do
>>> they all want private insurance.
>>
>>
>> That would be drug and dental plans.
>>
>
>I am sure they are medical care plans.

Actually, they are called supplementary medical insurance plans. They
cover the things not covered by the government: drugs, dental,
glasses, physiotherapy, semi-private hospital rooms, etc.

A lot of large employers and all government employers have them.

Doris

On Sat, 24 May 2014 20:22:03 -0500, barbie gee >
wrote:

>
>
>On Sat, 24 May 2014, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>> news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
>>>
>>>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>>>> science.
>>>
>>> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
>>> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including illness
>>> etc. and that's documented science too.
>>
>> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.
>>
>
>YET.

Odds are very great for the obese to contract all sorts of diseases...
naturally there are always exceptions but obesity is a leading killer.

On Sun, 25 May 2014 02:30:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:27:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of
> >> >> carbs.
> >> >
> >> > Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
> >> > amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
> >> > of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was thin
> >> > - and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years ago
> >> > and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
> >> > husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna be
> >> > trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
> >> > inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
> >> > amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Well, one of those guys was in the military. So you know he was getting
> >> a
> >> physical yearly. No known health problems.
> >
> > Did you say he's in his 40's now and he *was* in the military, so he's
> > more sedentary.
> >
> No. He'd be in his 50's now. Don't know if he is still in the military or
> not but he was never a sedentary person. He was always very active on his
> time off. If not playing sports then doing odd jobs for people.

In other words, you have absolutely no idea how he's doing now.


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Good Memories.

In article om>,
says...
>
> On 5/24/2014 4:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2014-05-24 4:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

I've met
> several Brits and Aussies who also have private insurance. If the
> social insurance in the Commonwealth countries was so awesome, why do
> they all want private insurance.

In Britain, most private treatment and insurance is used selectively
for limited purposes. Either, for treatments rationed by the NHS ( like
IVF, vanity cosmetic surgery)or for the convenience of choosing a
consult/surgery date/ jumping the NHS queue/quality accommodation.

The major teaching/research/specialist hospitals, ambulance services
and all A and E facilities in the UK are all operated within the NHS. So
when it comes to emergency trauma, high dependency ICU, major abdo/brain
surgery, cancer treatments, organ transplants etc, even privately
insured patients will often prefer NHS facilities.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 24 May 2014 21:27:46 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
> >On 5/24/2014 7:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
I've met
> >>> several Brits and Aussies who also have private insurance. If the
> >>> social insurance in the Commonwealth countries was so awesome, why do
> >>> they all want private insurance.
> >>
> >>
> >> That would be drug and dental plans.
> >>
> >
> >I am sure they are medical care plans.
>
> Actually, they are called supplementary medical insurance plans. They
> cover the things not covered by the government: drugs, dental,
> glasses, physiotherapy, semi-private hospital rooms, etc.

In Britain drugs, eye tests, eye care, some glasses, dental exams and
care, and physiotherapy are covered by the govt and supplied on the NHS.

Janet UK

Janet Wilder > wrote in
b.com:

> On 5/24/2014 3:04 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> But I do blame the medical
>> industry and their massive profit margins and greed for part of that.
>> What excuse is there to quintuple lab costs overnight?
>
> What I have,personally, seen is that the cost for uninsured people is
> outrageous because the amount paid for the same procedures by
> insurance companies is very low. Medical facilities believe they can
> make up some of their profit by charging the uninsured many times more
> than what they get from insurance companies.
>
> I was not on Medicare when I got my first cancer in 2006 and my
> insurance company, though they paid for a good deal of the expenses,
> did not have a contract with the hospital I was using. The charges by
> the hospital were often 8 to 10 times higher to an "uninsured" (if the
> insurance didn't have a contract with them, you were uninsured)
> person.
>
> Even with insurance paying a good portion of the costs, my bills were
> over $50,000.

Why didn't you check beforehand and select an in-network hospital?

--
--Bryan
You can cover up your guts, but when you cover up your nuts
You're admitting that there must be something wrong.
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Correction: I wrote "I gave myself diabetes." Maybe other people get it
>> some other way but I know how I got it.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> You can keep telling yourself that but it doesn't make it true.
>
> The science supports me. End of story. I didn't get it because it was my
> destiny.

Actually, science doesn't support you. If you did not have the propensity
for diabetes in your genetics, you could scarf candy all day. Wouldn't
matter.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:25:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> > 5-10 who cares. Those are the very same people who are claiming
>>> > they're healthy and can eat anything they want.
>>>
>>> Not all of them claim that. I was never one who could say that I could
>>> eat
>>> anything I wanted once I got past the age of 16. I also couldn't claim
>>> to
>>> be healthy because I had severe allergies and high BP. Plus a lot of
>>> female
>>> problems.
>>
>> Nobody says EVERYONE says that, but those exceptions are certainly
>> being brought up as if they are the norm when they are not.
>
> According to Julie she has never had a healthy day in her entire life and
> has been plagued with every manner of illness from birth. That she did
> not develop diabetes would have been notable not that she did acquire it.

That's not true! Although I was sick a lot as a child, I fully believe that
it almost all related to my food intolerances. I used to have chronic ear
and sinus infections. I went through Kleenex like crazy. Those days are
gone!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 May 2014 02:30:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:27:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of
>> >> >> carbs.
>> >> >
>> >> > Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
>> >> > amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
>> >> > of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was
>> >> > thin
>> >> > - and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years
>> >> > ago
>> >> > and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
>> >> > husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna
>> >> > be
>> >> > trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
>> >> > inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
>> >> > amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Well, one of those guys was in the military. So you know he was
>> >> getting
>> >> a
>> >> physical yearly. No known health problems.
>> >
>> > Did you say he's in his 40's now and he *was* in the military, so he's
>> > more sedentary.
>> >
>> No. He'd be in his 50's now. Don't know if he is still in the military
>> or
>> not but he was never a sedentary person. He was always very active on
>> his
>> time off. If not playing sports then doing odd jobs for people.
>
> In other words, you have absolutely no idea how he's doing now.
>
I lost contact with him when I got married and moved away.

On Sun, 25 May 2014 15:59:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 25 May 2014 02:30:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:27:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of
>>> >> >> carbs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
>>> >> > amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
>>> >> > of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was
>>> >> > thin
>>> >> > - and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years
>>> >> > ago
>>> >> > and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
>>> >> > husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
>>> >> > inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
>>> >> > amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, one of those guys was in the military. So you know he was
>>> >> getting
>>> >> a
>>> >> physical yearly. No known health problems.
>>> >
>>> > Did you say he's in his 40's now and he *was* in the military, so he's
>>> > more sedentary.
>>> >
>>> No. He'd be in his 50's now. Don't know if he is still in the military
>>> or
>>> not but he was never a sedentary person. He was always very active on
>>> his
>>> time off. If not playing sports then doing odd jobs for people.
>>
>> In other words, you have absolutely no idea how he's doing now.
>>
>I lost contact with him when I got married and moved away.

Exactly. So WTF are you talking about?

On Sun, 25 May 2014 15:57:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Correction: I wrote "I gave myself diabetes." Maybe other people get it
>>> some other way but I know how I got it.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> You can keep telling yourself that but it doesn't make it true.
>>
>> The science supports me. End of story. I didn't get it because it was my
>> destiny.
>
>Actually, science doesn't support you. If you did not have the propensity
>for diabetes in your genetics, you could scarf candy all day. Wouldn't
>matter.

OMG, LOL... (and several other acronyms).

On Sun, 25 May 2014 15:59:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 25 May 2014 02:30:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:27:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:41:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of
> >> >> >> carbs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Skinny doesn't mean healthy, especially if you keep shoving large
> >> >> > amounts of processed food down your gullet and drink copious amounts
> >> >> > of fruit juice. My husband thought he was fine as long as he was
> >> >> > thin
> >> >> > - and he's the one with health issues. He had stents put in years
> >> >> > ago
> >> >> > and has high blood sugar now. I see my son-in-law following in my
> >> >> > husband's footsteps and his body has been telling him there's gonna
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > trouble if he keeps this up because he was hospitalized with an
> >> >> > inflamed pancreas just last month - but he's still swigging large
> >> >> > amounts of orange juice as if it's good for him anyway.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, one of those guys was in the military. So you know he was
> >> >> getting
> >> >> a
> >> >> physical yearly. No known health problems.
> >> >
> >> > Did you say he's in his 40's now and he *was* in the military, so he's
> >> > more sedentary.
> >> >
> >> No. He'd be in his 50's now. Don't know if he is still in the military
> >> or
> >> not but he was never a sedentary person. He was always very active on
> >> his
> >> time off. If not playing sports then doing odd jobs for people.
> >
> > In other words, you have absolutely no idea how he's doing now.
> >
> I lost contact with him when I got married and moved away.

Thank you for being honest. IOW: you have absolutely no idea what
condition he's in now.


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