http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html

FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
Advantame

Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got
the nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and
Drug Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
marketing name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market
to receive the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.

Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine, aspartame,
sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame and
Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
approval, as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)

Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
making it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than table
sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
dissolves in water.

Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
used to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
syrups and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for
use in meat and poultry.)

Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
"high-intensity" sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no
substantial calories to the foods or drinks they flavor. They also do
not generally raise blood sugar levels in humans.
About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by
a truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on
Science and Health, discussing advantame on his blog

The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged,
and some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to
foods and drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime
consumers' tastes for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric)
products. But the FDA on Wednesday declared advantame safe, and
reiterated its position that other artificial sweeteners on the market
with its permission are safe when consumed in concentrations that are
customarily used.

Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder, phenylketonuria.
But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared that
it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.

In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored whether,
when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the immune,
nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
children.

The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000 packets
of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
(Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight)
of saccharine (Sweet'N Low).

"It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and there
were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
toxicity, or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh
Bloom of the American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog
Wednesday. "About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were
run over by a truck that was delivering it."

Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote,
"we all need to make a living."

"Travis McGee" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>
> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
> Advantame
>
> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got the
> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and Drug
> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy marketing
> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to receive
> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>
> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine, aspartame,
> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame and
> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA approval,
> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>
> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar, making
> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than table
> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
> dissolves in water.
>
> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be used
> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and syrups
> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for use in
> meat and poultry.)
>
> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other "high-intensity"
> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories to the
> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood sugar
> levels in humans.
> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on Science
> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>
> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged, and
> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to foods and
> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers' tastes
> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the FDA on
> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that other
> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe when
> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>
> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder, phenylketonuria.
> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared that
> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>
> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored whether,
> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the immune,
> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
> children.
>
> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000 packets
> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight) of
> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>
> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and there
> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental toxicity,
> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of the
> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday. "About
> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a truck
> that was delivering it."
>
> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote, "we
> all need to make a living."

They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
added Splenda.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Travis McGee" > wrote in message
...
>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>
>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>> Advantame
>>
>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got the
>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and Drug
>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy marketing
>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to receive
>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>
>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine, aspartame,
>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame and
>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA approval,
>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>
>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar, making
>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than table
>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>> dissolves in water.
>>
>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be used
>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and syrups
>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for use in
>> meat and poultry.)
>>
>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other "high-intensity"
>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories to the
>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood sugar
>> levels in humans.
>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on Science
>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>
>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged, and
>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to foods and
>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers' tastes
>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the FDA on
>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that other
>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe when
>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>
>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder, phenylketonuria.
>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared that
>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>
>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored whether,
>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the immune,
>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>> children.
>>
>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000 packets
>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight) of
>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>
>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and there
>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental toxicity,
>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of the
>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday. "About
>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a truck
>> that was delivering it."
>>
>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote, "we
>> all need to make a living."
>
>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
>added Splenda.

Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Travis McGee" > wrote in message
...
>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>
>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>> Advantame
>>>
>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got
>>> the
>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and Drug
>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>> marketing
>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to receive
>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>
>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine, aspartame,
>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame and
>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>> approval,
>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>
>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>> making
>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than table
>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>> dissolves in water.
>>>
>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
>>> used
>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>> syrups
>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for use in
>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>
>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>> "high-intensity"
>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories to
>>> the
>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>> sugar
>>> levels in humans.
>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by
>>> a
>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on Science
>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>
>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged,
>>> and
>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to foods
>>> and
>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>> tastes
>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the FDA on
>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>> other
>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe when
>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>
>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder, phenylketonuria.
>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared that
>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>
>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored whether,
>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the immune,
>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>>> children.
>>>
>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000 packets
>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight)
>>> of
>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>
>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and there
>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>> toxicity,
>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of the
>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>> "About
>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>> truck
>>> that was delivering it."
>>>
>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote,
>>> "we
>>> all need to make a living."
>>
>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
>>added Splenda.
>
> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.

Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.

Travis McGee wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>
> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
> Advantame

-snip-

We use sugar, either organic or turbindao, so whether or not this is
good, better, or worse doesn't matter to my house.

The debate in the article about whether artificial sweetners are OK,
whether they mess with your metabolism, etc., is nothing new, just the
same old arguments on both sides.

-S-

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Travis McGee" > wrote in message
...
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>>
>>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>>> Advantame
>>>>
>>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got
>>>> the
>>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and Drug
>>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>>> marketing
>>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to receive
>>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>>
>>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine,
>>>> aspartame,
>>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame
>>>> and
>>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>>> approval,
>>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>>
>>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>>> making
>>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than table
>>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>>> dissolves in water.
>>>>
>>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
>>>> used
>>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>>> syrups
>>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for use
>>>> in
>>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>>
>>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>>> "high-intensity"
>>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories to
>>>> the
>>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>>> sugar
>>>> levels in humans.
>>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by
>>>> a
>>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on Science
>>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>>
>>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged,
>>>> and
>>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to foods
>>>> and
>>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>>> tastes
>>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the FDA
>>>> on
>>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>>> other
>>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe when
>>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>>
>>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
>>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder,
>>>> phenylketonuria.
>>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
>>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared
>>>> that
>>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>>
>>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
>>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
>>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
>>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored
>>>> whether,
>>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the immune,
>>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>>>> children.
>>>>
>>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000
>>>> packets
>>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
>>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
>>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight)
>>>> of
>>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>>
>>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and there
>>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>>> toxicity,
>>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of the
>>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>>> "About
>>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>>> truck
>>>> that was delivering it."
>>>>
>>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
>>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote,
>>>> "we
>>>> all need to make a living."
>>>
>>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
>>>added Splenda.
>>
>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>
> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.

Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
and that leads to diabetes.




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On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:54:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
<snip>
>>>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
>>>>added Splenda.
>>>
>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>
>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.

Ciabatta bread is made from refined wheat.
Jesus, you're not even trying to help yourself.

>Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
>too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
>and that leads to diabetes.

For the overwhelming majority of people, yes. I've read Julie's posts
long enough to know that she eats a lot of the wrong stuff. (I don't
need to see a reply countering the argument with selective healthy
ingredients either)

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:54:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
> <snip>
>>>>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when
>>>>>they
>>>>>added Splenda.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>
>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>
> Ciabatta bread is made from refined wheat.
> Jesus, you're not even trying to help yourself.
>
>>Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
>>too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
>>and that leads to diabetes.
>
> For the overwhelming majority of people, yes. I've read Julie's posts
> long enough to know that she eats a lot of the wrong stuff. (I don't
> need to see a reply countering the argument with selective healthy
> ingredients either)


I seem to recall she had Ciliac disease. Bread isn't so good for that
either.



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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Travis McGee" > wrote in message
...
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>>
>>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>>> Advantame
>>>>
>>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got
>>>> the
>>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and Drug
>>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>>> marketing
>>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to receive
>>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>>
>>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine,
>>>> aspartame,
>>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame
>>>> and
>>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>>> approval,
>>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>>
>>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>>> making
>>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than table
>>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>>> dissolves in water.
>>>>
>>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
>>>> used
>>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>>> syrups
>>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for use
>>>> in
>>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>>
>>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>>> "high-intensity"
>>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories to
>>>> the
>>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>>> sugar
>>>> levels in humans.
>>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by
>>>> a
>>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on Science
>>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>>
>>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged,
>>>> and
>>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to foods
>>>> and
>>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>>> tastes
>>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the FDA
>>>> on
>>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>>> other
>>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe when
>>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>>
>>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
>>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder,
>>>> phenylketonuria.
>>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
>>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared
>>>> that
>>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>>
>>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
>>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
>>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
>>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored
>>>> whether,
>>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the immune,
>>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>>>> children.
>>>>
>>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000
>>>> packets
>>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
>>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
>>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight)
>>>> of
>>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>>
>>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and there
>>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>>> toxicity,
>>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of the
>>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>>> "About
>>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>>> truck
>>>> that was delivering it."
>>>>
>>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
>>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote,
>>>> "we
>>>> all need to make a living."
>>>
>>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
>>>added Splenda.
>>
>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>
> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.

Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
and that leads to diabetes.

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That is utter nonsense!

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...
> On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:54:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
> <snip>
>>>>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when
>>>>>they
>>>>>added Splenda.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>
>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>
> Ciabatta bread is made from refined wheat.
> Jesus, you're not even trying to help yourself.
>
>>Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
>>too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
>>and that leads to diabetes.
>
> For the overwhelming majority of people, yes. I've read Julie's posts
> long enough to know that she eats a lot of the wrong stuff. (I don't
> need to see a reply countering the argument with selective healthy
> ingredients either)


I seem to recall she had Ciliac disease. Bread isn't so good for that
either.

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You would recall wrong then. Nobody in my family has celiac but my daughter
knows someone who has it.

As for a diabetic diet, there isn't one. I eat pretty much what I have to
eat. Between the food intolerances and the gastroparesis, that doesn't
leave much. I used to love eating big tossed salads with no dressing
although I might put a little lemon or salsa on them, depending on what was
in it. I might use eggs, cheese or nuts in the salad. Alas, I can no
longer have any cheese, eggs or some nuts and if I try to eat a big salad,
it will come right back up a few hours later and in a most painful way.

I ate one Ciabatta sandwich in a restaurant. They list the nutritional
information of their food. It was the exact carb count needed for my meal
and there was nothing in it that was bad for me. The only thing that might
have been better would have been a little fat. If I order it again, I'll
set a side of bacon to go with.

I bought one bag of Ciabatta rolls. I ate four of them. Not all at once.
Husband ate one. Normally I eat honey whole wheat bread and only 2 slices
per day. Other carby foods that I eat are tortilla (often corn), popcorn,
whole wheat pasta, brown rice, peas, corn and potatoes. I no longer need to
measure my food out as I can eyeball what a serving is.

I can't do low carb. Well, I could. But it leaves my blood sugar up around
300. YMMV. So I do have to eat some carbs. But not too many carbs.

I rarely ever eat fruit. So I ate a few pears. So what? I didn't eat them
all at once. And most weeks I haven't eaten a single bite of fruit.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:54:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when
>>>>>>they
>>>>>>added Splenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>>
>>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do
>>>> you
>>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>>
>> Ciabatta bread is made from refined wheat.
>> Jesus, you're not even trying to help yourself.
>>
>>>Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
>>>too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
>>>and that leads to diabetes.
>>
>> For the overwhelming majority of people, yes. I've read Julie's posts
>> long enough to know that she eats a lot of the wrong stuff. (I don't
>> need to see a reply countering the argument with selective healthy
>> ingredients either)
>
>
> I seem to recall she had Ciliac disease. Bread isn't so good for that
> either.
>
> ---
>
> You would recall wrong then. Nobody in my family has celiac but my
> daughter knows someone who has it.
>
> As for a diabetic diet, there isn't one. I eat pretty much what I have to
> eat. Between the food intolerances and the gastroparesis, that doesn't
> leave much. I used to love eating big tossed salads with no dressing
> although I might put a little lemon or salsa on them, depending on what
> was in it. I might use eggs, cheese or nuts in the salad. Alas, I can no
> longer have any cheese, eggs or some nuts and if I try to eat a big salad,
> it will come right back up a few hours later and in a most painful way.
>
> I ate one Ciabatta sandwich in a restaurant. They list the nutritional
> information of their food. It was the exact carb count needed for my meal
> and there was nothing in it that was bad for me. The only thing that
> might have been better would have been a little fat. If I order it again,
> I'll set a side of bacon to go with.
>
> I bought one bag of Ciabatta rolls. I ate four of them. Not all at once.
> Husband ate one. Normally I eat honey whole wheat bread and only 2 slices
> per day. Other carby foods that I eat are tortilla (often corn), popcorn,
> whole wheat pasta, brown rice, peas, corn and potatoes. I no longer need
> to measure my food out as I can eyeball what a serving is.
>
> I can't do low carb. Well, I could. But it leaves my blood sugar up
> around 300. YMMV. So I do have to eat some carbs. But not too many
> carbs.

I am allowed 15 grams per day. Preferably not at the same time. Sounds
like your liver is dumping all the time. Mine did too until I went back on
the metformin. Now my BG is way down. I had assumed it no longer was
working but without it I could not get my BG below 300. I managed to really
F myself up letting the BG go so high. My last labs were so bad I can't
even talk about it. Looking better now though.

> I rarely ever eat fruit. So I ate a few pears. So what? I didn't eat
> them all at once. And most weeks I haven't eaten a single bite of fruit.

I miss fruit but it is a lot of sugar.



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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Travis McGee" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>>>
>>>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>>>> Advantame
>>>>>
>>>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got
>>>>> the
>>>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and Drug
>>>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>>>> marketing
>>>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to
>>>>> receive
>>>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine,
>>>>> aspartame,
>>>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame
>>>>> and
>>>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>>>> approval,
>>>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>>>> making
>>>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than
>>>>> table
>>>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>>>> dissolves in water.
>>>>>
>>>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
>>>>> used
>>>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>>>> syrups
>>>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for use
>>>>> in
>>>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>>>> "high-intensity"
>>>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories to
>>>>> the
>>>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>>>> sugar
>>>>> levels in humans.
>>>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over
>>>>> by a
>>>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on
>>>>> Science
>>>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>>>
>>>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged,
>>>>> and
>>>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to foods
>>>>> and
>>>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>>>> tastes
>>>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the FDA
>>>>> on
>>>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>>>> other
>>>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe when
>>>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
>>>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder,
>>>>> phenylketonuria.
>>>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
>>>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared
>>>>> that
>>>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>>>
>>>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
>>>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
>>>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
>>>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored
>>>>> whether,
>>>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the
>>>>> immune,
>>>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>>>>> children.
>>>>>
>>>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000
>>>>> packets
>>>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
>>>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
>>>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight)
>>>>> of
>>>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>>>
>>>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and
>>>>> there
>>>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>>>> toxicity,
>>>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of
>>>>> the
>>>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>>>> "About
>>>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>>>> truck
>>>>> that was delivering it."
>>>>>
>>>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
>>>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote,
>>>>> "we
>>>>> all need to make a living."
>>>>
>>>>They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
>>>>added Splenda.
>>>
>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>
>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>
> Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
> too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
> and that leads to diabetes.
>
> ---
>
> That is utter nonsense!

No it is not. It is metabolic syndrome. The pancreas has to keep pumping
out more and more insulin until finally it just craps out. That is why
losing weight helps prevent the onset because being fat leads to insulin
resistance. I am the only diabetic in my family. I am the only overweight
person in my family. I am the only person who ate his weight in pasta and
pizza crusts. Everyone else gets to eat what they want because they just
took better care of themselves. I gave myself type II diabetes. It did not
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On 5/23/2014 12:26 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:54:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> added Splenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do
>>>>> you
>>>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>>>
>>> Ciabatta bread is made from refined wheat.
>>> Jesus, you're not even trying to help yourself.
>>>
>>>> Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
>>>> too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
>>>> and that leads to diabetes.
>>>
>>> For the overwhelming majority of people, yes. I've read Julie's posts
>>> long enough to know that she eats a lot of the wrong stuff. (I don't
>>> need to see a reply countering the argument with selective healthy
>>> ingredients either)
>>
>>
>> I seem to recall she had Ciliac disease. Bread isn't so good for that
>> either.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> You would recall wrong then. Nobody in my family has celiac but my
>> daughter knows someone who has it.
>>
>> As for a diabetic diet, there isn't one. I eat pretty much what I have to
>> eat. Between the food intolerances and the gastroparesis, that doesn't
>> leave much. I used to love eating big tossed salads with no dressing
>> although I might put a little lemon or salsa on them, depending on what
>> was in it. I might use eggs, cheese or nuts in the salad. Alas, I can no
>> longer have any cheese, eggs or some nuts and if I try to eat a big salad,
>> it will come right back up a few hours later and in a most painful way.
>>
>> I ate one Ciabatta sandwich in a restaurant. They list the nutritional
>> information of their food. It was the exact carb count needed for my meal
>> and there was nothing in it that was bad for me. The only thing that
>> might have been better would have been a little fat. If I order it again,
>> I'll set a side of bacon to go with.
>>
>> I bought one bag of Ciabatta rolls. I ate four of them. Not all at once.
>> Husband ate one. Normally I eat honey whole wheat bread and only 2 slices
>> per day. Other carby foods that I eat are tortilla (often corn), popcorn,
>> whole wheat pasta, brown rice, peas, corn and potatoes. I no longer need
>> to measure my food out as I can eyeball what a serving is.
>>
>> I can't do low carb. Well, I could. But it leaves my blood sugar up
>> around 300. YMMV. So I do have to eat some carbs. But not too many
>> carbs.
>
> I am allowed 15 grams per day. Preferably not at the same time. Sounds
> like your liver is dumping all the time. Mine did too until I went back on
> the metformin. Now my BG is way down. I had assumed it no longer was
> working but without it I could not get my BG below 300. I managed to really
> F myself up letting the BG go so high. My last labs were so bad I can't
> even talk about it. Looking better now though.


15 grams of carbs per day sounds very restrictive. That's like one
slice of bread and no tomatoes, carrots, onions, not to mention the
starchy veggies. Even the non-carby veggies have some carbs. Are you
just eating pure protein?

>> I rarely ever eat fruit. So I ate a few pears. So what? I didn't eat
>> them all at once. And most weeks I haven't eaten a single bite of fruit.
>
> I miss fruit but it is a lot of sugar.

For people with a less restrictive carb allowance than yours, a piece
of fruit once in a while, if included in the meal carb count, couldn't
hurt. My DH's meals have no more than 45 grams, and most of the time
it's about 20 to 30 grams. He does have an insulin pump so if he wants
to cheat a bit, he can bolus for the extra carbs.

His A1Cs are under 6.2 consistently. They were lower, but his endo
wants the A12 higher because of his age and physical condition.



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On 5/23/2014 12:30 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Travis McGee" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>>>>> Advantame
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which got
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and Drug
>>>>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>>>>> marketing
>>>>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine,
>>>>>> aspartame,
>>>>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>>>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>>>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>>>>> approval,
>>>>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>>>>> making
>>>>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>>>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than
>>>>>> table
>>>>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>>>>> dissolves in water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>>>>> syrups
>>>>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for use
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>>>>> "high-intensity"
>>>>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>>>>> sugar
>>>>>> levels in humans.
>>>>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over
>>>>>> by a
>>>>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on
>>>>>> Science
>>>>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely challenged,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to foods
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>>>>> tastes
>>>>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the FDA
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe when
>>>>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is metabolized
>>>>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder,
>>>>>> phenylketonuria.
>>>>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at much
>>>>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S. Public
>>>>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division of
>>>>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of 37
>>>>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored
>>>>>> whether,
>>>>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the
>>>>>> immune,
>>>>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>>>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000
>>>>>> packets
>>>>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo of
>>>>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and sucralose
>>>>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body weight)
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>>>>> toxicity,
>>>>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>>>>> "About
>>>>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>>>>> truck
>>>>>> that was delivering it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>>>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something "wrong"
>>>>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he wrote,
>>>>>> "we
>>>>>> all need to make a living."
>>>>>
>>>>> They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when they
>>>>> added Splenda.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>
>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do you
>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>>
>> Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate way
>> too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their pancreases
>> and that leads to diabetes.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> That is utter nonsense!
>
> No it is not. It is metabolic syndrome. The pancreas has to keep pumping
> out more and more insulin until finally it just craps out. That is why
> losing weight helps prevent the onset because being fat leads to insulin
> resistance. I am the only diabetic in my family. I am the only overweight
> person in my family. I am the only person who ate his weight in pasta and
> pizza crusts. Everyone else gets to eat what they want because they just
> took better care of themselves. I gave myself type II diabetes. It did not
> have to happen.

People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
science.

Some people, however are type 2 diabetics because of genetics or a prior
bout of pancritis (sp). My mom had the pancreatic illness and 10 years
later she was diagnosed type 2 but she was so insulin resistant that she
was on insulin very quickly after diagnosis.

My DH's dad was diagnosed at exactly the same age as DH was. Neither
were obese.


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> On 5/23/2014 12:30 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Travis McGee" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>>>>>> Advantame
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which
>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and
>>>>>>> Drug
>>>>>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>>>>>> marketing
>>>>>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to
>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine,
>>>>>>> aspartame,
>>>>>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>>>>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>>>>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>>>>>> approval,
>>>>>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>>>>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than
>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>>>>>> dissolves in water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>>>>>> syrups
>>>>>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>>>>>> "high-intensity"
>>>>>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>>>>>> sugar
>>>>>>> levels in humans.
>>>>>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over
>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on
>>>>>>> Science
>>>>>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely
>>>>>>> challenged,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to
>>>>>>> foods
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>>>>>> tastes
>>>>>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the
>>>>>>> FDA
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is
>>>>>>> metabolized
>>>>>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder,
>>>>>>> phenylketonuria.
>>>>>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S.
>>>>>>> Public
>>>>>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of
>>>>>>> 37
>>>>>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored
>>>>>>> whether,
>>>>>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the
>>>>>>> immune,
>>>>>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>>>>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000
>>>>>>> packets
>>>>>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and
>>>>>>> sucralose
>>>>>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body
>>>>>>> weight)
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>>>>>> toxicity,
>>>>>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>>>>>> "About
>>>>>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>>>>>> truck
>>>>>>> that was delivering it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>>>>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something
>>>>>>> "wrong"
>>>>>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he
>>>>>>> wrote,
>>>>>>> "we
>>>>>>> all need to make a living."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> added Splenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>>
>>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do
>>>> you
>>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>>>
>>> Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate
>>> way
>>> too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their
>>> pancreases
>>> and that leads to diabetes.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> That is utter nonsense!
>>
>> No it is not. It is metabolic syndrome. The pancreas has to keep
>> pumping
>> out more and more insulin until finally it just craps out. That is why
>> losing weight helps prevent the onset because being fat leads to insulin
>> resistance. I am the only diabetic in my family. I am the only
>> overweight
>> person in my family. I am the only person who ate his weight in pasta
>> and
>> pizza crusts. Everyone else gets to eat what they want because they just
>> took better care of themselves. I gave myself type II diabetes. It did
>> not
>> have to happen.
>
> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> science.
>
> Some people, however are type 2 diabetics because of genetics or a prior
> bout of pancritis (sp). My mom had the pancreatic illness and 10 years
> later she was diagnosed type 2 but she was so insulin resistant that she
> was on insulin very quickly after diagnosis.
>
> My DH's dad was diagnosed at exactly the same age as DH was. Neither were
> obese.


Diet plays a very large role in the progression towards diabetes. There are
also factors like environmental contamination nobody wants to discuss.
Young and fit people are being diagnosed more every year with type II. But
diet is a major factor. On average Americans consume 69 pounds of sugar per
year. Not fruit sugar but processed cane sugar and corn syrup. That is
just unbelievable. People also do not realize the glycemic potential of
flour. When you are diabetic and you see the effect a piece of toast can
have on your blood sugar you realize just how much glucose is in each gram
of carbs and how fast that carb is converted in the stomach.



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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in
:

>
> I am allowed 15 grams per day. Preferably not at the same time.
>
15 grams?!?! My god, I'd be as thin as Twiggy by the time the pools got
warm. This inspired me to have a low carb late lunch. We has salad with
lettuce from our community garden plot, pretty decent tomatoes from ALDI,
and homemade Ceasar-inspired dressing, extra fishy. Then my wife and I
split a small strip steak cooked over peach and apple woods from our back
yard trees.
>
> Sounds like your liver is dumping all the time. Mine did too until I
> went back on the metformin. Now my BG is way down. I had assumed it
> no longer was working but without it I could not get my BG below 300.
> I managed to really F myself up letting the BG go so high. My last
> labs were so bad I can't even talk about it. Looking better now
> though.
>
Do you mind me asking why you went off metformin? From everything I've
read, it looks to be a great drug.
>
On a different topic, I went to Radio Shack and bought a cell phone today,
then ordered business cards. I like doing floors.
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--
--Bryan
You can cover up your guts, but when you cover up your nuts
You're admitting that there must be something wrong.
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On Fri, 23 May 2014 11:13:27 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>science.
>
>Some people, however are type 2 diabetics because of genetics or a prior
>bout of pancritis (sp). My mom had the pancreatic illness and 10 years
>later she was diagnosed type 2 but she was so insulin resistant that she
>was on insulin very quickly after diagnosis.
>
>My DH's dad was diagnosed at exactly the same age as DH was. Neither
>were obese.

Sometimes physical injuries to the pancreas can lead to diabetes as
well.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...


> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> science.

Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would be
diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin diabetics.
And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less obese.

I was *very* underweight as a child and young teen. I had reactive
hypoglycemia as did my mom. Reactive hypoglycemia is thought to be the
precursor of type 2 diabetes. But seeing as how there are over 300
variables to diabetes, this would not apply to all.

When I got pregnant, I had been losing weight. I had been trying to. So I
couldn't figure out why I needed a bigger bra and my waistband was tight.
Well... That was why. I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes early on.
I suspect now that it was really type 2 but we have no way of knowing. I
was very careful with my diet throughout my pregnancy but still was
diagnosed with type 2 about a year and a few days after giving birth.

I know of two women who both wear size XXS. Both had gestational diabetes.
One wound up getting type 2 and is now on insulin. Neither of them eat very
much. They never do or did. Not even while pregnant. The one has managed
to escape type 2 so far but the other who is her sister is a bit older. So
it is still highly likely that the younger one may well still get type 2.
>
> Some people, however are type 2 diabetics because of genetics or a prior
> bout of pancritis (sp). My mom had the pancreatic illness and 10 years
> later she was diagnosed type 2 but she was so insulin resistant that she
> was on insulin very quickly after diagnosis.

Pancreatitis. And that's not quite the same as type 2 although they can
still get type 2. My dad also had pancreatitis and when it is flaring it is
treated solely with insulin.
>
> My DH's dad was diagnosed at exactly the same age as DH was. Neither were
> obese.

Yep.


Diet plays a very large role in the progression towards diabetes. There are
also factors like environmental contamination nobody wants to discuss.
Young and fit people are being diagnosed more every year with type II. But
diet is a major factor. On average Americans consume 69 pounds of sugar per
year. Not fruit sugar but processed cane sugar and corn syrup. That is
just unbelievable. People also do not realize the glycemic potential of
flour. When you are diabetic and you see the effect a piece of toast can
have on your blood sugar you realize just how much glucose is in each gram
of carbs and how fast that carb is converted in the stomach.

---

Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense! I never consumed much sugar at all! Yeah, I
liked to bake and make candy but I gave it away or sold it. I rarely ever
ate it myself or anything made with white flour. I was raised to think of
bread as poison. As I have said countless times before, the only time we
ever got it when I was growing up was on road trips with cold meatloaf
sandwiches or perhaps if we ordered something in a restaurant.

And the glycemic index is badly flawed. It was based on data from college
students who did not have diabetes.

I have gastroparesis. That means that I don't digest a lot of foods well.
So the best foods for my digestion and then subsequently my BG would be
easily digested things like white rice, white bread, regular pasta and yes,
even sugar. Of course sugar has no nutrtional value so I do try to eat
things that do have nutritional value and I do have to watch my portion
sizes. I actually prefer the taste of whole wheat pasta and bread. I do
eat bread now. I have few options for breakfast as I can't eat eggs or
dairy, don't digest most meats, don't like fruit, etc.

We're all different when it comes to diet and what we need. And every
diabetic is different. There is no one diet that fits all. But one thing
is for sure. You won't be able to show proof here that diabetes is caused
by diet. Because it isn't!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>> science.
>
> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would be
> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin diabetics.
> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
> obese.
>
> I was *very* underweight as a child and young teen. I had reactive
> hypoglycemia as did my mom. Reactive hypoglycemia is thought to be the
> precursor of type 2 diabetes. But seeing as how there are over 300
> variables to diabetes, this would not apply to all.
>
> When I got pregnant, I had been losing weight. I had been trying to. So
> I couldn't figure out why I needed a bigger bra and my waistband was
> tight. Well... That was why. I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes
> early on. I suspect now that it was really type 2 but we have no way of
> knowing. I was very careful with my diet throughout my pregnancy but
> still was diagnosed with type 2 about a year and a few days after giving
> birth.
>
> I know of two women who both wear size XXS. Both had gestational
> diabetes. One wound up getting type 2 and is now on insulin. Neither of
> them eat very much. They never do or did. Not even while pregnant. The
> one has managed to escape type 2 so far but the other who is her sister is
> a bit older. So it is still highly likely that the younger one may well
> still get type 2.
>>
>> Some people, however are type 2 diabetics because of genetics or a prior
>> bout of pancritis (sp). My mom had the pancreatic illness and 10 years
>> later she was diagnosed type 2 but she was so insulin resistant that she
>> was on insulin very quickly after diagnosis.
>
> Pancreatitis. And that's not quite the same as type 2 although they can
> still get type 2. My dad also had pancreatitis and when it is flaring it
> is treated solely with insulin.
>>
>> My DH's dad was diagnosed at exactly the same age as DH was. Neither
>> were obese.
>
> Yep.
>
>
> Diet plays a very large role in the progression towards diabetes. There
> are
> also factors like environmental contamination nobody wants to discuss.
> Young and fit people are being diagnosed more every year with type II.
> But
> diet is a major factor. On average Americans consume 69 pounds of sugar
> per
> year. Not fruit sugar but processed cane sugar and corn syrup. That is
> just unbelievable. People also do not realize the glycemic potential of
> flour. When you are diabetic and you see the effect a piece of toast can
> have on your blood sugar you realize just how much glucose is in each gram
> of carbs and how fast that carb is converted in the stomach.
>
> ---
>
> Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense! I never consumed much sugar at all! Yeah,
> I liked to bake and make candy but I gave it away or sold it. I rarely
> ever ate it myself or anything made with white flour. I was raised to
> think of bread as poison. As I have said countless times before, the only
> time we ever got it when I was growing up was on road trips with cold
> meatloaf sandwiches or perhaps if we ordered something in a restaurant.
>
> And the glycemic index is badly flawed. It was based on data from college
> students who did not have diabetes.
>
> I have gastroparesis. That means that I don't digest a lot of foods well.
> So the best foods for my digestion and then subsequently my BG would be
> easily digested things like white rice, white bread, regular pasta and
> yes, even sugar. Of course sugar has no nutrtional value so I do try to
> eat things that do have nutritional value and I do have to watch my
> portion sizes. I actually prefer the taste of whole wheat pasta and
> bread. I do eat bread now. I have few options for breakfast as I can't
> eat eggs or dairy, don't digest most meats, don't like fruit, etc.
>
> We're all different when it comes to diet and what we need. And every
> diabetic is different. There is no one diet that fits all. But one thing
> is for sure. You won't be able to show proof here that diabetes is caused
> by diet. Because it isn't!

Your individual circumstances are not indicative of the whole. We're
talking a national epidemic and not your story which is a statistical
outlier. Based on you history I would be shocked if you never did get
diabetes.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...

> Your individual circumstances are not indicative of the whole. We're
> talking a national epidemic and not your story which is a statistical
> outlier. Based on you history I would be shocked if you never did get
> diabetes.

No doubt there is a national epidemic but nobody knows why. Some people
blame hormones in milk and meat. Others blame HFCS. But none of that has
been proven. Nobody but you though and my husband would claim that anyone
ate themselves into being diabetic. It just doesn't work that way! But
diabetes in and of itself can cause a person to overeat. High blood sugar
causes the body to essentially starve.

The late Quentin Grady once explained it something like this. You are
hungry. You order food. Food gets delivered. It is outside your door.
You can't get it because the door is there, blocking you from getting it.
Your blood cells are the same. They are starving for food but they are
blocked by the sugar coating. The food can't get inside.

You're still hungry. So you call and order more food. But the food can't
get in because the door is there. Repeat, repeat, repeat. I think Quentin
said it a lot better but I'm not going to look it up to quote him. At any
rate, high blood sugar is like that. Your body is starving because your
cells are glycoslated (covered in sugar). You feel hungry because truly you
are starving. So you keep eating and eating but nothing gets to where it
should be going.

You didn't overeat and cause yourself to get diabetes. But the diabetes may
have caused you to overeat.

On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> > science.
>
> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would be
> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin diabetics.
> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less obese.

My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
by what he eats now. FINALLY.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>> > science.
>>
>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would
>> be
>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
>> diabetics.
>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
>> obese.
>
> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>
A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that doesn't
mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in another reply,
uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in general. And for some it
can make them crave carbs. The cells in the body are glycoslated (covered
in sugar), so the nutrients can't get in. They feel like they are starving
and they are! They could eat and eat and eat but those nutrients won't get
into their system.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Your individual circumstances are not indicative of the whole. We're
>> talking a national epidemic and not your story which is a statistical
>> outlier. Based on you history I would be shocked if you never did get
>> diabetes.
>
> No doubt there is a national epidemic but nobody knows why. Some people
> blame hormones in milk and meat. Others blame HFCS. But none of that has
> been proven. Nobody but you though and my husband would claim that anyone
> ate themselves into being diabetic. It just doesn't work that way! But
> diabetes in and of itself can cause a person to overeat. High blood sugar
> causes the body to essentially starve.

Nobody but him and me and 9./10ths of the scientific community. It isn't a
matter of overeating it is a matter of stressing the pancreas with what you
eat. Now that I check every label for carb content I am sometimes shocked
at the massive amounts in most prepared foods. Years ago I used to buy
those crappy fish sticks when they were on sale. I'd make crappy fish tacos
with them. Come to find out they have about 40 grams each of carbs and I
could easily eat 6 because they are fish after all. 240 grams of carbs in
one shot is a massive amount. Add another 60 for the tortillas and you have
a jolt to the pancreas it cannot long endure. . And people eat like that
three times a day every day. How about kids breakfast cereals that are 90%
sugar and the kids wash them down with chocolate milk then have a
cheeseburger and fries and a Mountain Dew for lunch then eat a plate of
pasta for dinner with 6 cans of Coke in between. The human body was never
designed to eat like that.




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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>>> > science.
>>>
>>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would
>>> be
>>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
>>> diabetics.
>>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
>>> obese.
>>
>> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
>> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
>> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
>> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
>> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
>> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
>> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
>> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>>
> A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that doesn't
> mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in another
> reply, uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in general. And for
> some it can make them crave carbs. The cells in the body are glycoslated
> (covered in sugar), so the nutrients can't get in. They feel like they
> are starving and they are! They could eat and eat and eat but those
> nutrients won't get into their system.

*After* they get diabetes.



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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>>> > science.
>>>
>>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would
>>> be
>>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
>>> diabetics.
>>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
>>> obese.
>>
>> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
>> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
>> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
>> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
>> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
>> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
>> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
>> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>>
> A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that doesn't
> mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in another
> reply, uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in general. And for
> some it can make them crave carbs. The cells in the body are glycoslated
> (covered in sugar), so the nutrients can't get in. They feel like they
> are starving and they are! They could eat and eat and eat but those
> nutrients won't get into their system.

You might as well talk to a fence post Julie. My dh is thin, he has eaten
white rice, ice cream, candy carb loading pasta, bread etc. and has NOT
developed diabetes or even elevated numbers at almost 70, also wonderful
blood pressure and cholesterol readings...go figure.


Cheri

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3

> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> science.

Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including illness
etc. and that's documented science too.

Cheri

On 5/24/2014 12:57 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Your individual circumstances are not indicative of the whole. We're
>> talking a national epidemic and not your story which is a statistical
>> outlier. Based on you history I would be shocked if you never did get
>> diabetes.
>
> No doubt there is a national epidemic but nobody knows why. Some people
> blame hormones in milk and meat. Others blame HFCS. But none of that
> has been proven. Nobody but you though and my husband would claim that
> anyone ate themselves into being diabetic. It just doesn't work that
> way! But diabetes in and of itself can cause a person to overeat. High
> blood sugar causes the body to essentially starve.
>
> The late Quentin Grady once explained it something like this. You are
> hungry. You order food. Food gets delivered. It is outside your door.
> You can't get it because the door is there, blocking you from getting
> it. Your blood cells are the same. They are starving for food but they
> are blocked by the sugar coating. The food can't get inside.
>
> You're still hungry. So you call and order more food. But the food
> can't get in because the door is there. Repeat, repeat, repeat. I
> think Quentin said it a lot better but I'm not going to look it up to
> quote him. At any rate, high blood sugar is like that. Your body is
> starving because your cells are glycoslated (covered in sugar). You
> feel hungry because truly you are starving. So you keep eating and
> eating but nothing gets to where it should be going.
>
> You didn't overeat and cause yourself to get diabetes. But the diabetes
> may have caused you to overeat.

That's a load of crap. People make themselves obese by making poor food
choices. Get behind a very large person at the supermarket checkout and
look at all the high-carb, high-fat foods they are checking out.

There have been several scientific studies done that prove that the
chemical that blocks insulin from acting properly resides in adipose
tissue. The more adipose tissue (fat), the more of this chemical/enzyme
whatever you want to call it, is produced. In your terms, the little
key that unlocks the door to the cells so insulin can enter is blocked
by the locks produced by fat cells.

Quentin, who was a friend of mine, may he rest in peace, was a school
teacher not an endocrinologist.

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Way-the-heck-south Texas
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On 5/24/2014 1:14 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>>> science.
>>
>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would be
>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin diabetics.
>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less obese.
>
> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>
>
My DH has been on many oral drugs, including Avandia which left him with
congestive heart failure. His current endo decided his poor pancreas
needed a rest from all the drugs that were stimulating insulin
production and damaging his heart. He started on an insulin pen and did
so well that she recommended him for a pump. That pump has been a
godsend. His numbers have never been better.

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On 5/24/2014 8:38 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>>>> > science.
>>>>
>>>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people
>>>> would be
>>>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
>>>> diabetics.
>>>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much
>>>> less obese.
>>>
>>> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
>>> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
>>> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
>>> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
>>> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
>>> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
>>> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
>>> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>>>
>> A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that
>> doesn't mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in
>> another reply, uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in
>> general. And for some it can make them crave carbs. The cells in the
>> body are glycoslated (covered in sugar), so the nutrients can't get
>> in. They feel like they are starving and they are! They could eat
>> and eat and eat but those nutrients won't get into their system.
>
> You might as well talk to a fence post Julie. My dh is thin, he has
> eaten white rice, ice cream, candy carb loading pasta, bread etc. and
> has NOT developed diabetes or even elevated numbers at almost 70, also
> wonderful blood pressure and cholesterol readings...go figure.
>

....and I gather he is not obese. It's the obesity that causes the
diabetes, not the foods in themselves. If your DH is digesting and
burning off the calories he eats, then he would not suffer from obesity
which is what triggers diabetes in many *not* all people.

I'm not just talking through my hat. We subscribe to a number of
Diabetes related publications, among them one from the American Diabetes
Association. I have accompanied my DH to two diabetes education classes
(things change) and am very good at carb counting and feeding him well
while keeping carbs, sodium and fats at acceptable levels.

Unlike Julie, I don't get my information from dead, New Zealand school
teachers.


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On Sat, 24 May 2014 08:32:00 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
>
> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> > science.
>
> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including illness
> etc. and that's documented science too.
>

If they are young, wait a few years and they will. Some people are
lucky and dodge the bullet, but most aren't.



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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
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> On 5/23/2014 12:30 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Travis McGee" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>>>>>> Advantame
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which
>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and
>>>>>>> Drug
>>>>>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>>>>>> marketing
>>>>>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to
>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine,
>>>>>>> aspartame,
>>>>>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>>>>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and Newtame
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>>>>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>>>>>> approval,
>>>>>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>>>>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than
>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>>>>>> dissolves in water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to be
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>>>>>> syrups
>>>>>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>>>>>> "high-intensity"
>>>>>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>>>>>> sugar
>>>>>>> levels in humans.
>>>>>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over
>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on
>>>>>>> Science
>>>>>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely
>>>>>>> challenged,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to
>>>>>>> foods
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>>>>>> tastes
>>>>>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the
>>>>>>> FDA
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is
>>>>>>> metabolized
>>>>>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder,
>>>>>>> phenylketonuria.
>>>>>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S.
>>>>>>> Public
>>>>>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of
>>>>>>> 37
>>>>>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored
>>>>>>> whether,
>>>>>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the
>>>>>>> immune,
>>>>>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses or
>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>>>>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000
>>>>>>> packets
>>>>>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and
>>>>>>> sucralose
>>>>>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body
>>>>>>> weight)
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>>>>>> toxicity,
>>>>>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>>>>>> "About
>>>>>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>>>>>> truck
>>>>>>> that was delivering it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>>>>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something
>>>>>>> "wrong"
>>>>>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he
>>>>>>> wrote,
>>>>>>> "we
>>>>>>> all need to make a living."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> added Splenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>>
>>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do
>>>> you
>>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>>>
>>> Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate
>>> way
>>> too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their
>>> pancreases
>>> and that leads to diabetes.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> That is utter nonsense!
>>
>> No it is not. It is metabolic syndrome. The pancreas has to keep
>> pumping
>> out more and more insulin until finally it just craps out. That is why
>> losing weight helps prevent the onset because being fat leads to insulin
>> resistance. I am the only diabetic in my family. I am the only
>> overweight
>> person in my family. I am the only person who ate his weight in pasta
>> and
>> pizza crusts. Everyone else gets to eat what they want because they just
>> took better care of themselves. I gave myself type II diabetes. It did
>> not
>> have to happen.
>
> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> science.
>
> Some people, however are type 2 diabetics because of genetics or a prior
> bout of pancritis (sp). My mom had the pancreatic illness and 10 years
> later she was diagnosed type 2 but she was so insulin resistant that she
> was on insulin very quickly after diagnosis.
>
> My DH's dad was diagnosed at exactly the same age as DH was. Neither were
> obese.


Diet plays a very large role in the progression towards diabetes. There are
also factors like environmental contamination nobody wants to discuss.
Young and fit people are being diagnosed more every year with type II. But
diet is a major factor. On average Americans consume 69 pounds of sugar per
year. Not fruit sugar but processed cane sugar and corn syrup. That is
just unbelievable. People also do not realize the glycemic potential of
flour. When you are diabetic and you see the effect a piece of toast can
have on your blood sugar you realize just how much glucose is in each gram
of carbs and how fast that carb is converted in the stomach.

========

There is also growing evidence of links between various cancers and diet, so
then I guess everyone who doesn't have cancer of any kind can just use a
blanket statement toward those who do/have had cancer, that "you brought it
on yourselves" without knowing details of the individual. Ridiculous.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 May 2014 08:32:00 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
>>
>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>> > science.
>>
>> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
>> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
>> illness
>> etc. and that's documented science too.
>>
>
> If they are young, wait a few years and they will. Some people are
> lucky and dodge the bullet, but most aren't.

I haven't found that to be true at all.

Cheri

On 5/24/2014 10:32 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
>
>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>> science.
>
> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
> illness etc. and that's documented science too.
>
> Cheri

I did mention them in my post, but you failed to note them.

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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>>>> > science.
>>>>
>>>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people would
>>>> be
>>>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
>>>> diabetics.
>>>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
>>>> obese.
>>>
>>> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
>>> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
>>> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
>>> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
>>> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
>>> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
>>> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
>>> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>>>
>> A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that doesn't
>> mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in another
>> reply, uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in general. And
>> for some it can make them crave carbs. The cells in the body are
>> glycoslated (covered in sugar), so the nutrients can't get in. They feel
>> like they are starving and they are! They could eat and eat and eat but
>> those nutrients won't get into their system.
>
> *After* they get diabetes.

Sure! But the average type 2 has had the disease for a good 10 years before
being diagnosed.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...

> You might as well talk to a fence post Julie. My dh is thin, he has eaten
> white rice, ice cream, candy carb loading pasta, bread etc. and has NOT
> developed diabetes or even elevated numbers at almost 70, also wonderful
> blood pressure and cholesterol readings...go figure.

I have had male friends like that. They could eat 6 times what I could and
were still hungry. One drank tons of juice. He was quite active. The
other? Lazy as they come. Neither had any health issues.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Your individual circumstances are not indicative of the whole. We're
>>> talking a national epidemic and not your story which is a statistical
>>> outlier. Based on you history I would be shocked if you never did get
>>> diabetes.
>>
>> No doubt there is a national epidemic but nobody knows why. Some people
>> blame hormones in milk and meat. Others blame HFCS. But none of that
>> has been proven. Nobody but you though and my husband would claim that
>> anyone ate themselves into being diabetic. It just doesn't work that
>> way! But diabetes in and of itself can cause a person to overeat. High
>> blood sugar causes the body to essentially starve.
>
> Nobody but him and me and 9./10ths of the scientific community. It isn't
> a matter of overeating it is a matter of stressing the pancreas with what
> you eat. Now that I check every label for carb content I am sometimes
> shocked at the massive amounts in most prepared foods. Years ago I used
> to buy those crappy fish sticks when they were on sale. I'd make crappy
> fish tacos with them. Come to find out they have about 40 grams each of
> carbs and I could easily eat 6 because they are fish after all. 240 grams
> of carbs in one shot is a massive amount. Add another 60 for the
> tortillas and you have a jolt to the pancreas it cannot long endure. .
> And people eat like that three times a day every day. How about kids
> breakfast cereals that are 90% sugar and the kids wash them down with
> chocolate milk then have a cheeseburger and fries and a Mountain Dew for
> lunch then eat a plate of pasta for dinner with 6 cans of Coke in between.
> The human body was never designed to eat like that.

Explain then why there are so many thin people who can eat tons of carbs.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
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>
>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>> science.
>
> Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
> then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
> illness etc. and that's documented science too.

My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.

On Sat, 24 May 2014 12:42:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> > news:537f724f$0$9268$c3e8da3
> >
> >> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
> >> science.
> >
> > Maybe you'd care to explain why every obese person doesn't have diabetes
> > then? There are many factors that contribute to diabetes, including
> > illness etc. and that's documented science too.
>
> My friend and her husband are huge! No health issues. No diabetes.

How old are they? People in the 40's can be obese and still healthy
as a horse, but they'll be going downhill soon.


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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's
>>>>> > documented
>>>>> > science.
>>>>>
>>>>> Show proof of that then. If that were true then all obese people
>>>>> would be
>>>>> diabetic and no normal sized or thin people would. I know thin
>>>>> diabetics.
>>>>> And yes, some are type 2 and no, they were never overweight much less
>>>>> obese.
>>>>
>>>> My husband fits the type II without being obese first pattern. He
>>>> abused his body for years - eating white rice, ice cream, candy, carb
>>>> loading pasta and bread - he did it to himself. Never had complaints
>>>> about stomach problems that would have indicated pancreatic issues,
>>>> but he had classic signs that included headaches cured by food and
>>>> increased thirst/urination. He was in denial. His doctors warned him
>>>> but he didn't listen. He won't take insulin, so he's controlling it
>>>> by what he eats now. FINALLY.
>>>>
>>> A lot of type 2 diabetics live in denial. I know some. But that
>>> doesn't mean that their eating brought on the diabetes. As I said in
>>> another reply, uncontrolled diabetics can make one crave food in
>>> general. And for some it can make them crave carbs. The cells in the
>>> body are glycoslated (covered in sugar), so the nutrients can't get in.
>>> They feel like they are starving and they are! They could eat and eat
>>> and eat but those nutrients won't get into their system.
>>
>> *After* they get diabetes.
>
> Sure! But the average type 2 has had the disease for a good 10 years
> before being diagnosed.

I read 5 years.



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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> b.com...
>> On 5/23/2014 12:30 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:35:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Travis McGee" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...521-story.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FDA approves a new artificial sweetener
>>>>>>>> Advantame
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Say hello to advantame, aspartame's intensely sweet cousin, which
>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> nod to enter the U.S. food market on Wednesday from the Food and
>>>>>>>> Drug
>>>>>>>> Administration. Advantame -- which does not yet having a catchy
>>>>>>>> marketing
>>>>>>>> name -- is the sixth artificial sweetener on the U.S. market to
>>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>>> the FDA's blessing as a safe food additive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Advantame joins five other artificial sweeteners: saccharine,
>>>>>>>> aspartame,
>>>>>>>> sucralose, neotame and acesulfame potassium--better known by their
>>>>>>>> respective commercial names, Sweet'N Low, Equal, Splenda and
>>>>>>>> Newtame
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Sweet One. (The sweetener Stevia, made from the leaves of the South
>>>>>>>> American Stevia rebaudiana plant, has not required explicit FDA
>>>>>>>> approval,
>>>>>>>> as it fell under the FDA's "generally regarded as safe" clause.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Advantame is 20,000 times sweeter, gram per gram, than table sugar,
>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>> it the sweetest, by far, of the bunch. (By comparison, aspartame,
>>>>>>>> sucralose and saccharine range from 200 to 700 times sweeter than
>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>> sugar.) It is a white crystalline sweetener that flows freely and
>>>>>>>> dissolves in water.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Advantame does not break down under heat, and thus is expected to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> to sweeten baked goods, dessert confections, jams and jellies, and
>>>>>>>> syrups
>>>>>>>> and toppings, as well as soft drinks. (The FDA said it is not for
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> meat and poultry.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unlike sugar, honey or molasses, advantame and the other
>>>>>>>> "high-intensity"
>>>>>>>> sweeteners it joins on the U.S. market add no substantial calories
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> foods or drinks they flavor. They also do not generally raise blood
>>>>>>>> sugar
>>>>>>>> levels in humans.
>>>>>>>> About the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>> truck that was delivering it. - Josh Bloom, American Council on
>>>>>>>> Science
>>>>>>>> and Health, discussing advantame on his blog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The safety of these artificial sweeteners has been widely
>>>>>>>> challenged,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> some nutritionists maintain the intense sweetness they bring to
>>>>>>>> foods
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> drinks may confound normal metabolic processes and prime consumers'
>>>>>>>> tastes
>>>>>>>> for highly-sweetened (and often highly caloric) products. But the
>>>>>>>> FDA
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> Wednesday declared advantame safe, and reiterated its position that
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> artificial sweeteners on the market with its permission are safe
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> consumed in concentrations that are customarily used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like aspartame, advantame contains phenylalanine, which is
>>>>>>>> metabolized
>>>>>>>> with difficulty by people with a rare genetic disorder,
>>>>>>>> phenylketonuria.
>>>>>>>> But because of its intense sweetness, advantame would be used at
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> lower volumes than is asparatame. As a result, the FDA has declared
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it can be safely consumed by those with phenylketonuria.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In finding advantame safe for the general population, the U.S.
>>>>>>>> Public
>>>>>>>> Health Service's Capt. Andrew Zajac, director of the FDA's Division
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Petition Review, said the agency took into account the findings of
>>>>>>>> 37
>>>>>>>> studies conducted on animals and humans. Those studies explored
>>>>>>>> whether,
>>>>>>>> when consumed in expected volumes, advantame was harmful to the
>>>>>>>> immune,
>>>>>>>> nervous or reproductive systems, or to the development of fetuses
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FDA set the safe daily consumption level of advantame at 32.8
>>>>>>>> milligrams per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 40,000
>>>>>>>> packets
>>>>>>>> of advantame. The agency has declared 165 packets per day (per kilo
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> body weight) as the acceptable daily intake of aspartame and
>>>>>>>> sucralose
>>>>>>>> (Equal and Splenda), and 250 packets per day (per kilo of body
>>>>>>>> weight)
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> saccharine (Sweet'N Low).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It was virtually impossible to find a toxic dose in animals, and
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> were no signs of carcinogenicity, reproductive or developmental
>>>>>>>> toxicity,
>>>>>>>> or any other systemic toxicity in animals or humans," Josh Bloom of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> American Council on Science and Health wrote on his blog Wednesday.
>>>>>>>> "About
>>>>>>>> the only way this stuff could harm you is if you were run over by a
>>>>>>>> truck
>>>>>>>> that was delivering it."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Purveyors of dietary supplements who routinely warn of artificial
>>>>>>>> sweeteners' dangers, he added, will undoubtedly find something
>>>>>>>> "wrong"
>>>>>>>> with advantame and offer a natural alternative. "After all" he
>>>>>>>> wrote,
>>>>>>>> "we
>>>>>>>> all need to make a living."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They had just better not mess with my soft drinks! I hated it when
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> added Splenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, soft drink. That would be right. Diabetes not self inflicted,
>>>>>> LOL (the artificial sweetener is irrelevant). Your diet is shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh? Pears, beans, Ciabatta bread sandwiches...shit? What planet do
>>>>> you
>>>>> live on? And no, diabetes is never self inflicted for anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is. You know it, too. I know I became diabetic because I ate
>>>> way
>>>> too many carbs and let my weight increase. People abuse their
>>>> pancreases
>>>> and that leads to diabetes.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> That is utter nonsense!
>>>
>>> No it is not. It is metabolic syndrome. The pancreas has to keep
>>> pumping
>>> out more and more insulin until finally it just craps out. That is why
>>> losing weight helps prevent the onset because being fat leads to insulin
>>> resistance. I am the only diabetic in my family. I am the only
>>> overweight
>>> person in my family. I am the only person who ate his weight in pasta
>>> and
>>> pizza crusts. Everyone else gets to eat what they want because they
>>> just
>>> took better care of themselves. I gave myself type II diabetes. It did
>>> not
>>> have to happen.
>>
>> People to cause their own diabetes by being obese. That's documented
>> science.
>>
>> Some people, however are type 2 diabetics because of genetics or a prior
>> bout of pancritis (sp). My mom had the pancreatic illness and 10 years
>> later she was diagnosed type 2 but she was so insulin resistant that she
>> was on insulin very quickly after diagnosis.
>>
>> My DH's dad was diagnosed at exactly the same age as DH was. Neither
>> were obese.
>
>
> Diet plays a very large role in the progression towards diabetes. There
> are
> also factors like environmental contamination nobody wants to discuss.
> Young and fit people are being diagnosed more every year with type II.
> But
> diet is a major factor. On average Americans consume 69 pounds of sugar
> per
> year. Not fruit sugar but processed cane sugar and corn syrup. That is
> just unbelievable. People also do not realize the glycemic potential of
> flour. When you are diabetic and you see the effect a piece of toast can
> have on your blood sugar you realize just how much glucose is in each gram
> of carbs and how fast that carb is converted in the stomach.
>
> ========
>
> There is also growing evidence of links between various cancers and diet,
> so then I guess everyone who doesn't have cancer of any kind can just use
> a blanket statement toward those who do/have had cancer, that "you brought
> it on yourselves" without knowing details of the individual. Ridiculous.

Correction: I wrote "I gave myself diabetes." Maybe other people get it
some other way but I know how I got it.



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