The volume of a cone is

pi * r^2 * h / 3

or, it is one third of a cylinder with the same radius and height.

To cook rice the ratio is 1 part rice to 2 parts water. You see where I'm
going with this.

Pour rice into the center of a pot, allowing it to pile up into a cone,
until the bottom of the cone touches the sides of the pot.

Then fill with water to the same height. The volume of rice is then half
the volume of water. No measuring needed.


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Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> The volume of a cone is
>
> pi * r^2 * h / 3
>
> or, it is one third of a cylinder with the same radius and height.
>
> To cook rice the ratio is 1 part rice to 2 parts water. You see
> where I'm going with this.
>
> Pour rice into the center of a pot, allowing it to pile up into a
> cone, until the bottom of the cone touches the sides of the pot.
>
> Then fill with water to the same height. The volume of rice is then
> half the volume of water. No measuring needed.

I forgot to mention that to make less rice you just pour it in until before
the bottom edge of the cone touches the side of the pot, then tap gently
until the cone flattens a little and it touches the side. Then you'll have
a cone with less steep sides and less height, but it's still a cone if you
tapped gently.

The bluntness of the vertex is fairly insignificant.


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On 6/1/2014 10:21 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> The volume of a cone is
>>
>> pi * r^2 * h / 3
>>
>> or, it is one third of a cylinder with the same radius and height.
>>
>> To cook rice the ratio is 1 part rice to 2 parts water. You see
>> where I'm going with this.
>>
>> Pour rice into the center of a pot, allowing it to pile up into a
>> cone, until the bottom of the cone touches the sides of the pot.
>>
>> Then fill with water to the same height. The volume of rice is then
>> half the volume of water. No measuring needed.
>
> I forgot to mention that to make less rice you just pour it in until before
> the bottom edge of the cone touches the side of the pot, then tap gently
> until the cone flattens a little and it touches the side. Then you'll have
> a cone with less steep sides and less height, but it's still a cone if you
> tapped gently.
>
> The bluntness of the vertex is fairly insignificant.
>
>
Ingenious but I think I'd measure directly. I have a marked cup for my
Japanese rice maker.

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Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 22:26:03 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>That would work if the rice were all one solid piece without airspace
>in between the grains. ANd if
8<!
> And if .... and if...

>Or you could just use a measuring cup.
This has got me thinking about a measuring vessel or maybe a
rice-cooker with a cone insert...

Speaking about applying geometry to food, you know how you can pack
seven circles into a hexagon shape? (One circle at the center with six
more tangent to its circuference and forming a ring?) Long ago that
gave me the idea for a seven-pack to replace the six-pack. You could
carry 1.1666...% more beer in a single hand. There would be other
benefits. The packs would be easier to stack up and would be more
stable in those pyramids that they strew around supermarket aisles as
traffic bollards.

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On 6/2/2014 12:18 AM, Opinicus wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 22:26:03 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> That would work if the rice were all one solid piece without airspace
>> in between the grains. ANd if
> 8<!
>> And if .... and if...
>
>> Or you could just use a measuring cup.
> This has got me thinking about a measuring vessel or maybe a
> rice-cooker with a cone insert...
>
> Speaking about applying geometry to food, you know how you can pack
> seven circles into a hexagon shape? (One circle at the center with six
> more tangent to its circuference and forming a ring?) Long ago that
> gave me the idea for a seven-pack to replace the six-pack. You could
> carry 1.1666...% more beer in a single hand. There would be other
> benefits. The packs would be easier to stack up and would be more
> stable in those pyramids that they strew around supermarket aisles as
> traffic bollards.
>

I have a number of pots from Ikea's "Favorit" line. I like them a lot.
One of the features that I appreciate is that they have measuring lines
etched into the inside of the pot, so there's no need to measure when
filling up with, say, a quart of stock or water.

On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:13:49 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
> wrote:

>
> The volume of a cone is
>
> pi * r^2 * h / 3
>
> or, it is one third of a cylinder with the same radius and height.
>
> To cook rice the ratio is 1 part rice to 2 parts water. You see where I'm
> going with this.
>
> Pour rice into the center of a pot, allowing it to pile up into a cone,
> until the bottom of the cone touches the sides of the pot.
>
> Then fill with water to the same height. The volume of rice is then half
> the volume of water. No measuring needed.

I just stick my finger in the rice, use my thumbnail to mark how deep
it is and put enough water to be the same height above it (essentially
doubled). Perfect rice every time if it's white rice.




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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 07:18:43 +0300, Opinicus
> wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 22:26:03 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >That would work if the rice were all one solid piece without airspace
> >in between the grains. ANd if
> 8<!
> > And if .... and if...
>
> >Or you could just use a measuring cup.
> This has got me thinking about a measuring vessel or maybe a
> rice-cooker with a cone insert...
>
> Speaking about applying geometry to food, you know how you can pack
> seven circles into a hexagon shape? (One circle at the center with six
> more tangent to its circuference and forming a ring?) Long ago that
> gave me the idea for a seven-pack to replace the six-pack. You could
> carry 1.1666...% more beer in a single hand. There would be other
> benefits. The packs would be easier to stack up and would be more
> stable in those pyramids that they strew around supermarket aisles as
> traffic bollards.

What is it with men that they have to make something dead easy so
difficult???


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 6/1/2014 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
>
> I just stick my finger in the rice, use my thumbnail to mark how deep
> it is and put enough water to be the same height above it (essentially
> doubled). Perfect rice every time if it's white rice.
>

That's the way my mom taught me. It's probably the way her mom taught
her. These days I just eyeball it since I know what the correct amount
of water looks like. I teach the kids to just eyeball it too.

On 6/1/2014 8:13 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> The volume of a cone is
>
> pi * r^2 * h / 3
>
> or, it is one third of a cylinder with the same radius and height.
>
> To cook rice the ratio is 1 part rice to 2 parts water. You see where I'm
> going with this.

Nope, 'cause I cook rice with a 1:1 rice/water ratio. As taught to me
by a Chinese woman. Perfect rice every time.

On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 23:26:43 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 6/1/2014 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> > I just stick my finger in the rice, use my thumbnail to mark how deep
> > it is and put enough water to be the same height above it (essentially
> > doubled). Perfect rice every time if it's white rice.
> >
>
> That's the way my mom taught me. It's probably the way her mom taught
> her. These days I just eyeball it since I know what the correct amount
> of water looks like. I teach the kids to just eyeball it too.

Yeah, once you get used to it you can eyeball it. I'm still getting
used to cooking brown rice. The brand I have now needs three times
the amount and I still have to measure or else we're eating crunchy
rice.


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 07:18:43 +0300, Opinicus
> wrote:

>On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 22:26:03 -0500, Sqwertz >
>wrote:
>
>>That would work if the rice were all one solid piece without airspace
>>in between the grains. ANd if
>8<!
>> And if .... and if...
>
>>Or you could just use a measuring cup.
>This has got me thinking about a measuring vessel or maybe a
>rice-cooker with a cone insert...
>
>Speaking about applying geometry to food, you know how you can pack
>seven circles into a hexagon shape? (One circle at the center with six
>more tangent to its circuference and forming a ring?) Long ago that
>gave me the idea for a seven-pack to replace the six-pack. You could
>carry 1.1666...% more beer in a single hand. There would be other
>benefits. The packs would be easier to stack up and would be more
>stable in those pyramids that they strew around supermarket aisles as
>traffic bollards.

But then six pack abs would be flab.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 6:53:47 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 23:26:43 -1000, dsi1
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 6/1/2014 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > I just stick my finger in the rice, use my thumbnail to mark how deep
>
> > > it is and put enough water to be the same height above it (essentially
>
> > > doubled). Perfect rice every time if it's white rice.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > That's the way my mom taught me. It's probably the way her mom taught
>
> > her. These days I just eyeball it since I know what the correct amount
>
> > of water looks like. I teach the kids to just eyeball it too.
>
>
>
> Yeah, once you get used to it you can eyeball it. I'm still getting
>
> used to cooking brown rice. The brand I have now needs three times
>
> the amount and I still have to measure or else we're eating crunchy
>
> rice.
>
>

I'm learning how to cook brown rice in an automatic rice cooker. I just put an excessively large amount of water. People that cook the stuff tell me to let the rice soak for a few hours but I rarely have the time. These days I've been trying to forego rice. The last batch my son made has been sitting on the counter too long. I thought it was rice and black beans in there. It looked kinda good.

>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Good Food.
>
> Good Friends.
>
> Good Memories.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On 6/1/2014 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> > I just stick my finger in the rice, use my thumbnail to mark how deep
> > it is and put enough water to be the same height above it (essentially
> > doubled). Perfect rice every time if it's white rice.
> >
>
> That's the way my mom taught me. It's probably the way her mom taught
> her. These days I just eyeball it since I know what the correct amount
> of water looks like. I teach the kids to just eyeball it too.

I don't have to mark anything with my thumbnail or build a cone or any
other nifty way. I use one measuring cup for the amount I want. Fill
it with white rice, dump in saucepan, then fill it two times with
water and dump that in. I don't even have to wash the measuring cup as
it's been rinsed twice from any rice debris.

G.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:42:44 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On 6/1/2014 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > I just stick my finger in the rice, use my thumbnail to mark how deep
>
> > > it is and put enough water to be the same height above it (essentially
>
> > > doubled). Perfect rice every time if it's white rice.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > That's the way my mom taught me. It's probably the way her mom taught
>
> > her. These days I just eyeball it since I know what the correct amount
>
> > of water looks like. I teach the kids to just eyeball it too.
>
>
>
> I don't have to mark anything with my thumbnail or build a cone or any
>
> other nifty way. I use one measuring cup for the amount I want. Fill
>
> it with white rice, dump in saucepan, then fill it two times with
>
> water and dump that in. I don't even have to wash the measuring cup as
>
> it's been rinsed twice from any rice debris.
>
>
>
> G.

I like to wash the rice and drain the water at least 5 times. It's probably not needed in these modern times but old habits die hard.

dsi1 wrote:
>
>I like to wash the rice and drain the water at least 5 times.
>It's probably not needed in these modern times but old habits die hard.

Rice grown in the US doesn't need to be washed and if it's fortified
washing removes the added nutrients. However all imported rice needs
careful washing, due to very poor sanitation.

On 6/2/14, 5:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> I like to wash the rice and drain the water at least 5 times. It's probably not needed in these modern times but old habits die hard.

If you're cooking basmati or other very long-grain rice, it's important
to rinse to get the excess starchy powder off the rice. It's not a
matter of cleaning the rice.

-- Larry

On 6/2/2014 2:45 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 6/2/14, 5:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I like to wash the rice and drain the water at least 5 times. It's
>> probably not needed in these modern times but old habits die hard.
>
> If you're cooking basmati or other very long-grain rice, it's important
> to rinse to get the excess starchy powder off the rice. It's not a
> matter of cleaning the rice.
>
> -- Larry
>

That's fine with me. We used to wash rice in the old days because they
had a coating of crushed rock. These days I wash the rice to get off
nasty shit like rat droppings and insect parts. Any way you want to
think of it, the rice will get washed or rinsed by me.

Pi is not square it is round. Cornbread are square.

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 23:26:43 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> > On 6/1/2014 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
> > >
> > > I just stick my finger in the rice, use my thumbnail to mark how
> > > deep it is and put enough water to be the same height above it
> > > (essentially doubled). Perfect rice every time if it's white
> > > rice.
> > >
> >
> > That's the way my mom taught me. It's probably the way her mom
> > taught her. These days I just eyeball it since I know what the
> > correct amount of water looks like. I teach the kids to just
> > eyeball it too.
>
> Yeah, once you get used to it you can eyeball it. I'm still getting
> used to cooking brown rice. The brand I have now needs three times
> the amount and I still have to measure or else we're eating crunchy
> rice.

That was my idea - to make it easier to use the eyeball method.


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On 6/1/14, 8:13 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> The volume of a cone is
>
> pi * r^2 * h / 3
>
> or, it is one third of a cylinder with the same radius and height.
>
> To cook rice the ratio is 1 part rice to 2 parts water. You see where I'm
> going with this.
>
> Pour rice into the center of a pot, allowing it to pile up into a cone,
> until the bottom of the cone touches the sides of the pot.
>
> Then fill with water to the same height. The volume of rice is then half
> the volume of water. No measuring needed.
>
>

How do you keep the water from getting between the grains of rice? I
suppose you could cover the rice with cling wrap before pouring in the
water, but that all just seems like too much work. I just add water up
to the line engraved in my rice cooker. Foolproof.

On 6/3/2014 6:44 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>
>> How do you keep the water from getting between the grains of rice? I
>> suppose you could cover the rice with cling wrap before pouring in the
>> water, but that all just seems like too much work. I just add water up
>> to the line engraved in my rice cooker. Foolproof.
>
> It's insignificant. A little more because of the space between grains - a
> little less because of the vertex being blunt. I don't have a rice cooker
> because it's too "single-task" but this has given me as close to a perfect
> ratio as a measuring cup does.
>
>

A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...

>
> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
> more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
> called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.

How do you use yours?

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On 6/4/2014 6:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
>> more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
>> called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.
>
> How do you use yours?
>

I've boiled eggs, made instant ramen, cooked potatoes, made instant
mashed potatoes, made cornbread, cooked hot dogs. A lot of pre-packaged
stuff works great in a small cooker. You can dump a small bag of
cornbread mix in the bowl and have it ready to cook in about a minute.
You can also steam foods in a rice cooker by adding a small amount of
water on the bottom and placing a small plate of food on top of that.
You can place sausages on top of rice to steam them. You can also use
the warm setting to keep soups and foods warm. It's quite versatile.

"Ophelia" wrote:
>"dsi1" wrote:
>>
>> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
>> more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
>> called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.
>
>How do you use yours?

Sterilizing nipples.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:02:48 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Ophelia" wrote:
>
> >"dsi1" wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
>
> >> more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
>
> >> called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.
>
> >
>
> >How do you use yours?
>
>
>
> Sterilizing nipples.

That's actually a pretty good idea. I'll have to let my wife know about this.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/4/2014 6:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
>>> more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
>>> called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.
>>
>> How do you use yours?
>>
>
> I've boiled eggs, made instant ramen, cooked potatoes, made instant mashed
> potatoes, made cornbread, cooked hot dogs. A lot of pre-packaged stuff
> works great in a small cooker. You can dump a small bag of cornbread mix
> in the bowl and have it ready to cook in about a minute. You can also
> steam foods in a rice cooker by adding a small amount of water on the
> bottom and placing a small plate of food on top of that. You can place
> sausages on top of rice to steam them. You can also use the warm setting
> to keep soups and foods warm. It's quite versatile.

It sure sounds like it


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dsi1 > wrote in
:

> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can
> do a lot more than cook rice. People think it's good for one
> thing because it's called a "rice cooker." Funny how that
> works.

In our family, we need one strictly for rice as it is on most of
the time. Funny how that works.

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poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:02:34 PM UTC-10, Michel Boucher wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote in
>
> :
>
>
>
> > A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can
>
> > do a lot more than cook rice. People think it's good for one
>
> > thing because it's called a "rice cooker." Funny how that
>
> > works.
>
>
>
> In our family, we need one strictly for rice as it is on most of
>
> the time. Funny how that works.

I know what you mean, we feel the exact same way about our toaster.

>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Socialism never took root in America because the
>
> poor there see themselves not as an exploited
>
> proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
>
> millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:11:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> > In our family, we need one strictly for rice as it is on most of
> >
> > the time. Funny how that works.
>
> I know what you mean, we feel the exact same way about our toaster.

LOL

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On 6/2/2014 10:45 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 6/1/2014 8:13 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> The volume of a cone is
>>
>> pi * r^2 * h / 3
>>
>> or, it is one third of a cylinder with the same radius and height.
>>
>> To cook rice the ratio is 1 part rice to 2 parts water. You see where
>> I'm
>> going with this.
>
> Nope, 'cause I cook rice with a 1:1 rice/water ratio. As taught to me by
> a Chinese woman. Perfect rice every time.

1:1? I always use 2:1.

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Cheryl

On 6/4/14, 8:11 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> In our family, we need one strictly for rice as it is on most of
>> the time....
>
> I know what you mean, we feel the exact same way about our toaster.

Ooooh, I've never thought about cooking rice in my toaster.


-- Larry

On 6/4/2014 3:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:02:48 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>
>>> "dsi1" wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
>>
>>>> more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
>>
>>>> called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> How do you use yours?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sterilizing nipples.
>
> That's actually a pretty good idea. I'll have to let my wife know about this.
>
No, not hers.

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"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/4/14, 8:11 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> In our family, we need one strictly for rice as it is on most of
>>> the time....
>>
>> I know what you mean, we feel the exact same way about our toaster.
>
> Ooooh, I've never thought about cooking rice in my toaster.

<g> The things we learn here eh?


>

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On 6/4/2014 4:54 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 6/4/14, 8:11 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> In our family, we need one strictly for rice as it is on most of
>>> the time....
>>
>> I know what you mean, we feel the exact same way about our toaster.
>
> Ooooh, I've never thought about cooking rice in my toaster.
>
>
> -- Larry
>

Now that's what I call a shocking development.

On 6/4/2014 5:29 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/4/2014 3:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:02:48 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "dsi1" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> A small appliance that can boil water and keep foods warm can do a lot
>>>
>>>>> more than cook rice. People think it's good for one thing because it's
>>>
>>>>> called a "rice cooker." Funny how that works.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> How do you use yours?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sterilizing nipples.
>>
>> That's actually a pretty good idea. I'll have to let my wife know
>> about this.
>>
> No, not hers.
>

Ouch!!!