"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> My style of dress also made me stick out like a sore thumb. It is not
>>> uncommon for people to wander around in pajamas or bedroom slippers
>>> here. You rarely see anyone dressed up and when you do, it is usually a
>>> Mormon out preaching.
>>>
>>> People on Cape Cod were still into that preppy look. We're just very
>>> casual here.
>>
>> People walking around in pajamas and slippers outside of the home is not
>> casual, it's as the old joke says..."I've given up all hope of ever
>> trying to look presentable, so I might as well be comfortable."
>
> Well it still is what a lot of people do here. Some even go to work that
> way. I was shocked when I entered the Sleep Number store and a guy in PJs
> came out. He was the clerk!
>
> I don't bother to get dressed if I am not going anywhere. And I'll go
> outside that way. I rarely ever wear PJs though. I usually wear
> nightshirts that are like long Tshirts.

I can understand that in a Sleep Number store since it could be part of a
sales gimmick, and going outside to get a paper or something is one thing,
going out in public, no. Not saying people don't do it, but it's still
sloppy behavior.

Cheri

On 2014-06-08 12:42 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, June 8, 2014 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>>
>> Percentage-wise gays are not child molesters any more than
>> heterosexuals.
>
> I have read that most pedophiles are incapable of being sexually
> attracted to adults of either sex.
>
> This is the problem with priestly celibacy -- not being attracted
> to adult women could seem like a blessing.

Sex is a normal human drive. IMO, when you recruit the clergy from a
sector of the population that is willing to remain celibate you are
going to end up with a bunch of people with strange hangups. Molestation
of parishioners is not restricted to Catholic priests. Fundie ministers
seem to be running a close second. I have to wonder if vilifying sexual
behaviour somehow makes it more exciting for them.



My wife used to teach with a really nice lady who was accused of
molesting one of her male (primary) students. She went through hell
over the accusations. As it turned it, the actual culprit was a
relative of the kid. The kid's mother was unsympathetic to our friend's
outrage over the false accusations, saying that if she was innocent she
had nothing to fear.

On 2014-06-08 1:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> They also recruit students to sell candy, wrapping paper, gift baskets,
> etc. for fundraising. IMHO it was always the parents who were doing the
> selling FOR them, at work. I'd cringe at work every time I saw someone
> headed my way with an order form. The children weren't the ones putting
> forth the effort.
>


I had a co-worker who was always flogging girl guide cookies at work. I
used to buy them to help support his kids activities. I don't even like
GG cookies. Then one day I was flogging something for my son's school
activity. Mr GG cookies was the only one who didn't help out. No more
GG cookies for me.

On 6/8/2014 8:49 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/8/2014 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>> I got seriously glared at by a mother a few years ago. Her young son
>> (maybe 8 years old) came out to the car a few minutes before the Mom
>> did. It was halloween night. I was minding my own business sitting in
>> my van and this kid came right over and showed me his costume that he
>> hadn't put on. I just talked to him politely and wished him a happy
>> halloween night. Minutes later, here comes the fat-ass mom. She saw
>> her son talking to me and glared daggers at me. She didn't say
>> anything but I could tell she probably immediately imagined that I was
>> some *** child molester talking to her son. What a stupid bitch.
>> (sigh)
>>
>> G.
>
> Not making light of the subject at all, but if you watch enough "CSI"
> type programs you'd know all child molesters drive *vans*.
>
> Jill

You are right, it is a windowless van with a tear-stained mattress in
the back. ;-)

Becca

On 6/8/2014 1:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
> I can understand that in a Sleep Number store since it could be part of
> a sales gimmick,

That's the only reason I could think of. Like some tax services have
people standing out front in costumes, waving at people. Promotional
gimmick.

> and going outside to get a paper or something is one
> thing, going out in public, no.

At times when I've been not feeling well I've certainly walked out to
the mailbox wearing my robe. I don't consider that "going out in
public". Out to the mailbox, back in the house.

Not saying people don't do it, but it's
> still sloppy behavior.
>
> Cheri

I don't "dress up" when I go to the store but I certainly don't go OUT
anywhere unless I'm fully dressed.

Jill

On 2014-06-08 2:00 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> Not saying people don't do it, but it's
>> still sloppy behavior.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I don't "dress up" when I go to the store but I certainly don't go OUT
> anywhere unless I'm fully dressed.


My wife will not go out unless she is dressed and made up.

One of the advantages of living in a rural area is that neighbours are
too far to see. When I kayaking been out bicycling in the rain I have
been known to strip down and hang my clothes on the line and then dash
to the door... listening first for cars.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 08:39:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-06-07 7:20 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
> > On 6/4/2014 11:31 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> >>
> >> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
> >>
> > My son will begin his student teaching assignment this fall. Throughout
> > his college training the education students have been told to not give
> > their phone number to students, the main reason being to eliminate that
> > as a possible means of improper contact between teacher and student. Of
> > course, prospective teachers are also told to never be alone with a
> > student for any reason. Things have changed a great deal in the past
> > few decades.
> >
>
>
> Things sure have changed over the years.

Sure you wouldn't call the teacher on their private phone, but you can
certainly call them when they're inside the school building. If it's
during school hours, the secretary takes a message and the teacher
calls you back. How hard is that? Julie's DD was probably being a
typical kid and didn't even tell Julie about the assignment until it
was too late.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 07:38:45 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Pedophiles and gays are two different things.
> >
> > But I had the same reaction some years back when there was
> > general hysteria about kids being attacked when going door to
> > door. Halloween, they ring MY doorbell, I answer and give
> > Snickers bars, and the mothers are on MY sidewalk glaring at
> > me. Seriously? I don't want your kid. I didn't take it
> > personally, it was just weird.
> >
> > I think after that, it's when trick or treaters started
> > dwindling to almost none.
> >
> > nancy
>
> How very odd. I've never experienced a glaring parent while handing out
> candy on Halloween. Were you naked or something? ;-)
>

Me either. I see lots of parents escorting their kids and dressed for
the occasion as well. Makes it fun to be on door duty!


--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 10:45:46 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> Some young boy was going door to door, selling stuff for
> school. This was maybe ... 40 miles from me or so. Another
> kid, older, lured him into the house and it didn't end
> well. Big uproar.

The responsible organizations emphasize that kids should never go door
to door, selling to strangers.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 6/8/2014 1:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-08 1:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> They also recruit students to sell candy, wrapping paper, gift baskets,
>> etc. for fundraising. IMHO it was always the parents who were doing the
>> selling FOR them, at work. I'd cringe at work every time I saw someone
>> headed my way with an order form. The children weren't the ones putting
>> forth the effort.
>>
>
>
> I had a co-worker who was always flogging girl guide cookies at work. I
> used to buy them to help support his kids activities. I don't even like
> GG cookies. Then one day I was flogging something for my son's school
> activity. Mr GG cookies was the only one who didn't help out. No more
> GG cookies for me.
>

Years ago one of my brothers caved and bought (from a co-worker) a big
box of "holiday" wrapping paper, ribbons and bows. He gave it to me.

I don't know what the heck I was supposed to do with it. My brothers
and I had stopped giving each other gifts years before.

Jill

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 11:00:11 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> Times have certainly changed and not for the better. I don't hand out
> candy anymore for Halloween. I'm a stranger and kids have no business
> getting candy from me. It's sad too. I used to like that night and
> seeing the little kiddies in their costumes. I even used to dress up
> in a costume myself to hand out the candy.

Are you close enough to your DD to do Halloween door duty at her
place? I've done that the last couple of years, so my kids can go
trick r treating with their kids and still keep the home fires burning
for the rest of the trick r treaters that come to their door.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 2014-06-08 2:18 PM, sf wrote:

>>
>> Things sure have changed over the years.
>
> Sure you wouldn't call the teacher on their private phone, but you can
> certainly call them when they're inside the school building. If it's
> during school hours, the secretary takes a message and the teacher
> calls you back. How hard is that? Julie's DD was probably being a
> typical kid and didn't even tell Julie about the assignment until it
> was too late.
>

One of the variations of Julie's story is that she was told not to call.
That might have been because she was being a pest. I don't know why she
keeps making up these stories and then defending the kid.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 11:03:46 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> We used to go far and wide, even when we lived in the projects.
> Not a lot of parental hovering going on when I was a kid.

"We" is a large group of kids of various ages, which I call a "herd"
these days. Older brothers and sisters chaperoned, but everyone got
treats. We ended up going to almost every door, because somebody in
the group always knew whoever was at the next house.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> My style of dress also made me stick out like a sore thumb. It is not
>>>> uncommon for people to wander around in pajamas or bedroom slippers
>>>> here. You rarely see anyone dressed up and when you do, it is usually a
>>>> Mormon out preaching.
>>>>
>>>> People on Cape Cod were still into that preppy look. We're just very
>>>> casual here.
>>>
>>> People walking around in pajamas and slippers outside of the home is not
>>> casual, it's as the old joke says..."I've given up all hope of ever
>>> trying to look presentable, so I might as well be comfortable."
>>
>> Well it still is what a lot of people do here. Some even go to work that
>> way. I was shocked when I entered the Sleep Number store and a guy in
>> PJs came out. He was the clerk!
>>
>> I don't bother to get dressed if I am not going anywhere. And I'll go
>> outside that way. I rarely ever wear PJs though. I usually wear
>> nightshirts that are like long Tshirts.
>
> I can understand that in a Sleep Number store since it could be part of a
> sales gimmick, and going outside to get a paper or something is one thing,
> going out in public, no. Not saying people don't do it, but it's still
> sloppy behavior.

There were stories in the newspapers here of some people who were banned
from supermarkets for shopping in their pjs. I've never seen any though.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2014-06-08 2:22 PM, sf wrote:

>> How very odd. I've never experienced a glaring parent while handing out
>> candy on Halloween. Were you naked or something? ;-)
>>
>
> Me either. I see lots of parents escorting their kids and dressed for
> the occasion as well. Makes it fun to be on door duty!

Years ago when we had kids coming around they were my son's friends. We
have not had any kids some around in close to 20 years. If the kids
around here go out for Halloween they go into town where there is more
candy for less work.

Since the only kids that came were my son's friends and they knew us, I
used to make things like caramel apples and popcorn balls. Then I found
out their parents would not let them eat it I stopped.

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/8/2014 8:14 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
> >> t...
> >>> In article >, says...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
> >>>> t...
> >>>> > In article >,
> >>>> says...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> And I can't see what was wrong with it. It's not like *she* would
> >>>> >> be
> >>>> >> posting here. How many kids/teens use Usenet anyway? Not many.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ANY teen (and all their mates) knows how to use google; and all she
> >>>> > needs do is google your name, or your name followed by hers.
> >>> All the ones who repeatedly identify themselves as the Julie Bove
> >>> living in Seattle with a problem husband, banging on about their
> >>> daughter and cats with the same names as your daughter and cats, same
> >>> multiple health problems, are you.
> >>
> >> "Banging on" means something entirely different in this country. We
> >> won't go there. And I don't live in Seattle. But it is the Seattle
> >> area.
> >
> > That banging sound you hear is me hitting my head against the wall. You
> > live in Bothell. We all know that, too. Do you really think your
> > daughter or her friends have no way of finding out what you discuss in any
> > newsgroup? The stuff you write doesn't go away just because you wish it
> > would.
>
> Why would they even want to? Do you think that kids these days have so
> little to do that they would look up stuff like this? I don't care if it
> goes away or not. I know what I said.

you mean you haven't searched your daughters name so you can see her
facebook and pinterest pages, not to mention those rather revealing
pictures of her. what an indifferent parent you are

and don't bother saying she doesn't have such pages because you won't
allow it. LOL

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> >> You already told us each class lasts almost an hour; so each school day
> >> has a max of 7 classes. 7 notebooks do not weigh 40 to 50 lbs.
> >
> > This is true. When my daughter was in high school (graduated in 97)
> > she often had to bring all of her books home to study or do homework.
> > I wouldn't be surprised if her backpack weighed 30 -40 pounds. I never
> > weighed it but I did carry it out to the car sometimes.
> >
> > A school backpack without any books though? No way it's very heavy,
> > Julie.
>
> Well, I'd be happy to let you come pick it up. I will try to go weigh it.
> Hers is about 22 pounds withoiut her lunch. I can normally easily lift 20
> pounds but the pack is very diffult for me to lift. Perhaps it is in the
> design of it or something. But I do struggle to lift it.

so you send her to school with more than 8 pounds of lunch?

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> >
> Right. No books and not sad at all. They have to lug enough stuff home.
> As it is, some backpacks weigh 40-50 pounds. Books would add even more
> weight! Much is done with a flashdrive now but... The school has Macs and
> there is some sort of problem in trying to transfer data in Word from a Mac
> to a PC. I can't explain it but... When she tried to plug in the science
> assigment she had been working on, it was all gibberish. All those hours
> wasted and she had to rewrite it on the PC. So fine for those kids who have
> a Mac at home, but we don't.Thanks

more BS, both versions of word are perfectly capable of importing files
from the other.

but here's the thing: what did the school say when you told them Angela
had that problem?

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> It's also difficult if we lose power or our Internet connection. The math
> site uses Flash which you can't have on an Iphone or Ipad.

so what did the school say when you told them of this problem?


So she either
> can't do the work or we have to go to someone's house and borrow their
> computer. But some nights she doesn't get home from dance until 9 or so and
> then it is too late because the place we would have to go to do this are in
> another city.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 10:30:16 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Cheri" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> My style of dress also made me stick out like a sore thumb. It is not
> >>> uncommon for people to wander around in pajamas or bedroom slippers
> >>> here. You rarely see anyone dressed up and when you do, it is usually a
> >>> Mormon out preaching.
> >>>
> >>> People on Cape Cod were still into that preppy look. We're just very
> >>> casual here.
> >>
> >> People walking around in pajamas and slippers outside of the home is not
> >> casual, it's as the old joke says..."I've given up all hope of ever
> >> trying to look presentable, so I might as well be comfortable."
> >
> > Well it still is what a lot of people do here. Some even go to work that
> > way. I was shocked when I entered the Sleep Number store and a guy in PJs
> > came out. He was the clerk!
> >
> > I don't bother to get dressed if I am not going anywhere. And I'll go
> > outside that way. I rarely ever wear PJs though. I usually wear
> > nightshirts that are like long Tshirts.
>
> I can understand that in a Sleep Number store since it could be part of a
> sales gimmick, and going outside to get a paper or something is one thing,
> going out in public, no. Not saying people don't do it, but it's still
> sloppy behavior.
>

I didn't see slippers, but I saw people of both sexes wearing pajama
pants instead of sweats (out and about) when that was the fashion. I
don't notice people in pajama pants these days, but it could be that
I'm so used to seeing it that I don't register it as odd anymore.


--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...

> I didn't see slippers, but I saw people of both sexes wearing pajama
> pants instead of sweats (out and about) when that was the fashion. I
> don't notice people in pajama pants these days, but it could be that
> I'm so used to seeing it that I don't register it as odd anymore.

The only people I've ever seen wearing pajama pants out of the house are the
high school students across the street.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/8/2014 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>> I got seriously glared at by a mother a few years ago. Her young son
>> (maybe 8 years old) came out to the car a few minutes before the Mom
>> did. It was halloween night. I was minding my own business sitting in
>> my van and this kid came right over and showed me his costume that he
>> hadn't put on. I just talked to him politely and wished him a happy
>> halloween night. Minutes later, here comes the fat-ass mom. She saw
>> her son talking to me and glared daggers at me. She didn't say
>> anything but I could tell she probably immediately imagined that I was
>> some *** child molester talking to her son. What a stupid bitch.
>> (sigh)
>>
>> G.
>
> Not making light of the subject at all, but if you watch enough "CSI" type
> programs you'd know all child molesters drive *vans*.

When we saw that movie, "The Lovely Bones", I said, "Why do the bad guys
always wear that style of glasses?" And my dad pulled his glasses down
slightly and said, "You mean THESE glasses?" Ha! They were the same style.
Oversized gold wire frames that are sort of square. I have noticed the same
on various prison shows. And on the website that shows pics of child
molesters in your area. For some reason it is a very popular style with men.
I'm not saying that all men who wear them are bad. But it is rare to see any
other style of glasses on the bad ones.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/8/2014 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>> halloween night. Minutes later, here comes the fat-ass mom. She saw
>> her son talking to me and glared daggers at me. She didn't say
>> anything but I could tell she probably immediately imagined that I was
>> some *** child molester talking to her son. What a stupid bitch.
>> (sigh)
>
> Pedophiles and gays are two different things.
>
> But I had the same reaction some years back when there was
> general hysteria about kids being attacked when going door to
> door. Halloween, they ring MY doorbell, I answer and give
> Snickers bars, and the mothers are on MY sidewalk glaring at
> me. Seriously? I don't want your kid. I didn't take it
> personally, it was just weird.
>
> I think after that, it's when trick or treaters started
> dwindling to almost none.

We did get less this past year. Probably because we didn't go all out with
the decorations like we did in past years. We've had people that we don't
know, drive specifically to our house. I've even heard people call others
on their cell phone and give out our address. We do tend to go beyond the
dinky candies those. If we do give candy it is a full sized bar/package.
But in many years past, we didn't do candy at all. We gave toys. We found
that stuffed animals and rubber duckies were popular. I've had people who
are now grown up, stop by here when I am outside and tell me that they
remembered or in some cased still had the toys that I gave out and how they
appreciated them.

There also aren't really any kids near our house now. Most have moved away.
She had one friend towards the end of the street but she is enough younger
that they haven't been in the same school for years. So they're really not
in contact. She and her brothers will come by and we will get the
occasional kid from the dance studio. But the rest are all strangers to us.
It just bugs me when they drive in. I was raised not to be greedy. We'd go
on our little street (cul-de-sac), maybe the next street over and then two
streets in the other direction but only to the houses of people that we
knew.

A lot of kids seem to feel that it is a game to see who can get the most
candy. And then we sometimes get adults. I don't recall any last year.
But in past years I did get some. Not in costume and no bag. I could only
assume that they were needy. So we would also try to keep some sort of
non-candy food, like little bags of pretzels or granola bars. We did the
pretzels last year. Nobody took any by choice so by the end of it, they got
a bag with their candy whether they wanted it or not!

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 14:50:01 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Things sure have changed over the years. I wonder how some organizations
>>> can find volunteers to work with children, like scouts, sports teams and
>>> Big Brothers.
>>
>> Yes...the world has indeed gone all to hell. I spent many years in Boy
>> Scouts and never a predator adult leader. It was a very positive
>> experience for me. I would volunteer to be an adult leader but not in
>> these days. I raised 2 children and I've always enjoyed young
>> children but it's all gotten so strange, I won't talk or even look at
>> young children in my neighborhood anymore.
>>
>> I got seriously glared at by a mother a few years ago. Her young son
>> (maybe 8 years old) came out to the car a few minutes before the Mom
>> did. It was halloween night. I was minding my own business sitting in
>> my van and this kid came right over and showed me his costume that he
>> hadn't put on. I just talked to him politely and wished him a happy
>> halloween night. Minutes later, here comes the fat-ass mom. She saw
>> her son talking to me and glared daggers at me. She didn't say
>> anything but I could tell she probably immediately imagined that I was
>> some *** child molester talking to her son. What a stupid bitch.
>> (sigh)
>
>I am afraid that is the way these days. No it is not pleasant(

Coincidentally, I watched this last night:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_All_Men_Pedophiles%3F
or
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2072045/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Finally, a rational look at the subject, rather than the usual
hypocritical and medieval-style hysteria that we have today.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 09:42:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Sunday, June 8, 2014 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>>
>> Percentage-wise gays are not child molesters any more than
>> heterosexuals.
>
>I have read that most pedophiles are incapable of being sexually
>attracted to adults of either sex.

That's not true.

>This is the problem with priestly celibacy -- not being attracted
>to adult women could seem like a blessing.

Also not true.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/8/2014 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> halloween night. Minutes later, here comes the fat-ass mom. She saw
>>> her son talking to me and glared daggers at me. She didn't say
>>> anything but I could tell she probably immediately imagined that I was
>>> some *** child molester talking to her son. What a stupid bitch.
>>> (sigh)
>>
>> Pedophiles and gays are two different things.
>>
>> But I had the same reaction some years back when there was
>> general hysteria about kids being attacked when going door to
>> door. Halloween, they ring MY doorbell, I answer and give
>> Snickers bars, and the mothers are on MY sidewalk glaring at
>> me. Seriously? I don't want your kid. I didn't take it
>> personally, it was just weird.
>>
>> I think after that, it's when trick or treaters started
>> dwindling to almost none.
>>
>> nancy
>
> How very odd. I've never experienced a glaring parent while handing out
> candy on Halloween. Were you naked or something? ;-)

I don't think I have either but I did have an older girl that I really
wanted to smack. I don't do this any more, but I used to dress up for
Halloween. I do have a cute Halloween T Shirt that I might wear now but
when Angela was of a certain age, she wanted to scare the kids. She doesn't
think like that now, fearing the little ones might not like being scared.
Plus neither one of us wants to take the many hours we used to spend,
covering all of the trees and bushes with spider webs. I have perhaps a
dozen or so spiders, some of them huge, bats and other things that we put
out there, including many light up things, one of which was a cauldron right
by the front door. The cauldron eventually broke.

I would usually burn quite a lot of heavily scented incense and leave the
front door open so that the smoke would visibly waft out of the house and
into the air. And I put on one of my outfits from Holy Clothing.

http://holyclothing.com/

I have three dresses. One is a light pink. Obviously that wouldn't do but
either the burgundy or the purple one or my dark blue skirt with the black
top. I also had a couple of pairs of their harem pants but those shrunk in
length to the point of being comical. I would paint my nails black, put on
some really dark shade of lipstick and some large Halloween earrings.

So... This really large group of Latinos approached the door. We did not
know them. There was an older girl who grabbed a huge handful of things out
of the bowl. Then reached in and grabbed a second time. I told her that
she'd already taken enough and she just shot me a smug look. Then she
turned to her mom and said, "See mom! I told you this house was devil!" I
had to really muster some restraint then! The mom just stood there giving
me an odd look. Kind of hard to describe. Not really glaring but it wasn't
a pleasant look. And she didn't say a thing to her daughter about perhaps
not talking like that.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Times have certainly changed and not for the better. I don't hand out
>> candy anymore for Halloween. I'm a stranger and kids have no business
>> getting candy from me. It's sad too. I used to like that night and
>> seeing the little kiddies in their costumes. I even used to dress up
>> in a costume myself to hand out the candy.
>>
>> G.
>
> You might be smart since you're a single older man, immediate suspicion.
> Sad really.

I have an elderly male friend who thinks like that. Each year he buys a bag
of candy and hopes someone might come by. They never do. He lives in a
small Condo. building and is one of the younger ones there. No kids or even
grandkids. I try to tell him that it is probably just because no kids live
around there but he fears that they see him as a threat.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 05:29:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/8/2014 7:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> I know some families here with kids high school age. I plan to ask if
>>> they use books.
>>
>> I'd love to hear the answer, Gary. While I understand teachers often have
>> to pay for some school supplies out of their own pockets due to budget
>> constraints, I simply cannot imagine a school not using text books.
>
>You people really live in the dark ages. Get with the program!

You mean like twerking? It's a current thing (or is it?!?)
Dark ages, my arse... this is a disgrace. Future generations will no
longer be educated beyond being trained for industry.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:24:32 -0500, Ema Nymton >
wrote:

>Each state could have different rules, but in Texas, all the teacher
>gets is an empty classroom. If you look around, the rooms are decorated
>and each dictionary, calendar, bulletin board, etc., was supplied by the
>teacher at their own expense. They spend a lot of money in their
>classroom and on their students, and they can only deduct $250 per year
>on their taxes. I learned this from my relatives who teach.

OMG. I had no idea it was like that in the U.S. No wonder home
schooling has taken off there (which works well with the right
parents).

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 05:22:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Janet wrote:
>>>
>>> In article >, says...
>>
>> This is true. When my daughter was in high school (graduated in 97)
>> she often had to bring all of her books home to study or do homework.
>> I wouldn't be surprised if her backpack weighed 30 -40 pounds. I never
>> weighed it but I did carry it out to the car sometimes.

Yes, we can tell you never weighed it...

>> A school backpack without any books though? No way it's very heavy,
>> Julie.
>
>Well, I'd be happy to let you come pick it up. I will try to go weigh it.
>Hers is about 22 pounds withoiut her lunch. I can normally easily lift 20
>pounds but the pack is very diffult for me to lift. Perhaps it is in the
>design of it or something. But I do struggle to lift it.

It weighs 20lb empty? An empty school backpack that weights 20lb.
Really?

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 19:32:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>There were stories in the newspapers here of some people who were banned
>from supermarkets for shopping in their pjs. I've never seen any though.

That seems unreasonable. Unless the guy's old fella kept flopping
out...

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 04:41:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet" > wrote in message
et...
>> In article .pbz>,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2014, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>> > Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>> >>> . How many kids/teens use Usenet anyway? Not many.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> She may not be curious yet about what you are doing on here,
>>> >>> but believe me, the time will come!
>>> >>
>>> >> I doubt it.
>>> >
>>> > Angela might not look but some her friends probably will. If it's a
>>> > joking matter, it might get posted to all her school friends.
>>> > Whatever you write becomes public and can come back to haunt you even
>>> > years later. I can't believe what Bryan writes for the same reason.
>>> >
>>>
>>> How are we all forgetting that "usenet" as in the old days has much of
>>> its
>>> content now absorbed into "Google Groups"? Unless you've got x-no
>>> archive
>>> set, some of that stuff is there and very readily searchable without
>>> needing a specialized newsreader like back in the old days.
>>
>> Google groups is just the tip of the iceberg, ONE of the many free,
>> searchable web portal archives of usenet groups.
>
>I guess you are into doing that then. I'm not.

Great comeback. Nice how you ignore that fact that you were and still
are wrong about the matter.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 05:39:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/8/2014 8:14 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> t...
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>>> t...
>>>>> > In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> And I can't see what was wrong with it. It's not like *she* would
>>>>> >> be
>>>>> >> posting here. How many kids/teens use Usenet anyway? Not many.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ANY teen (and all their mates) knows how to use google; and all she
>>>>> > needs do is google your name, or your name followed by hers.
>>>> All the ones who repeatedly identify themselves as the Julie Bove
>>>> living in Seattle with a problem husband, banging on about their
>>>> daughter and cats with the same names as your daughter and cats, same
>>>> multiple health problems, are you.
>>>
>>> "Banging on" means something entirely different in this country. We
>>> won't go there. And I don't live in Seattle. But it is the Seattle
>>> area.
>>
>> That banging sound you hear is me hitting my head against the wall. You
>> live in Bothell. We all know that, too. Do you really think your
>> daughter or her friends have no way of finding out what you discuss in any
>> newsgroup? The stuff you write doesn't go away just because you wish it
>> would.
>
>Why would they even want to? Do you think that kids these days have so
>little to do that they would look up stuff like this? I don't care if it
>goes away or not. I know what I said.

And there it is: No amount of reason or logic will work on Bove.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 08:04:49 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 6/8/2014 1:32 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:20:00 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/4/2014 11:31 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>>>>
>>> My son will begin his student teaching assignment this fall. Throughout
>>> his college training the education students have been told to not give
>>> their phone number to students, the main reason being to eliminate that
>>> as a possible means of improper contact between teacher and student. Of
>>> course, prospective teachers are also told to never be alone with a
>>> student for any reason. Things have changed a great deal in the past
>>> few decades.
>>
>> Sad, really.
>
>Never in all my school days did I have my teacher's phone number.

I know I didn't either.

>Not one of them. It would never have occurred to me to call them.
>You wrote the day's assignments in the back of your books, you
>brought home the appropriate text books and if you couldn't
>coordinate those tasks, you got to explain why no homework to
>hand in the next day.

My experience also

>Such drama over a homework assignment. And I know this is maybe
>a radical thing ... but after grade school, my mother didn't know
>what my assignments were, I was expected to do my own homework.
>Using all those heavy books I toted around.

Yes. When I was in year 11 and 12 high school, our school was a little
radical in that whilst we still had classes, it was mainly for giving
us the work we needed to do.
Aside from that - you didn't even need to attend school at all, as
long as your assignments were done on time. It worked well for me -
I'm sure some fell between the cracks, but then that was already
happening with the traditional method of teaching anyway.

>Or go to the library, which wasn't a problem since I worked there
>two hours a day all through high school.

That's where we went - to the library, including the state library.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 09:31:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:32:26 PM UTC-7, Je�us wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:20:00 -0500, DreadfulBitch
>>
>> > wrote:
>
>> >My son will begin his student teaching assignment this fall. Throughout
>> >his college training the education students have been told to not give
>> >their phone number to students, the main reason being to eliminate that
>> >as a possible means of improper contact between teacher and student. Of
>> >course, prospective teachers are also told to never be alone with a
>> >student for any reason. Things have changed a great deal in the past
>> >few decades.
>>
>> Sad, really.
>
>I would not teach anyone under 18 for $1 million a year. A school principal
>in Fresno -- accused of calling girl students into his office too often,
>not accused of any improper touching or language -- just blew his brains out.

Again, very very sad and hopefully one day all this pedophilia
hysteria will be dealt with rationally. I know through the years I've
been very mindful of any situation involving kids, for this reason.
Not really an issue where I live, but in more populated areas, the
hysteria is much more pronounced.

Most people don't even know what pedophilia actually is, it seems.

On Monday, June 9, 2014 8:43:47 AM UTC+10, Je�us wrote:
>
> Yes. When I was in year 11 and 12 high school, our school was a little
> radical in that whilst we still had classes, it was mainly for giving
> us the work we needed to do.
>
> Aside from that - you didn't even need to attend school at all, as
> long as your assignments were done on time.

That's pretty radical, and a failure at the main function of schools: day care centres. Imagine, putting education above convenience!

(Actually, it's what I tell my students. Lectures and tutorials are not compulsory; the assignments and exam are. The joy of post-secondary, without automatic attendance requirements. (We can choose to make attendance compulsory, but most people in my part of the uni don't.))

>"Julie Bove" > wrote:

>>>> Right. No books and not sad at all. They have to lug enough stuff home.
>>>> As it is, some backpacks weigh 40-50 pounds. Books would add even more
>>>> weight!


Are these backpacks lined with lead or something?

I have a water dispenser in my kitchen that holds an 18 liter water
jug. The jug is about 24 inches high, with a diameter of about 12
inches. Full of water, it weighs around 40 pounds. It's quite a bit
bigger than a normal backpack. Or are the high school kids there using
hiking backpacks?

I googled hiking backpacks, and most of them weigh less than a kilo
(2.2 pounds).

Something doesn't add up.

Doris

On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:06:32 -0700 (PDT), Timo >
wrote:

>On Monday, June 9, 2014 8:43:47 AM UTC+10, Je?us wrote:
>>
>> Yes. When I was in year 11 and 12 high school, our school was a little
>> radical in that whilst we still had classes, it was mainly for giving
>> us the work we needed to do.
>>
>> Aside from that - you didn't even need to attend school at all, as
>> long as your assignments were done on time.
>
>That's pretty radical, and a failure at the main function of schools: day care centres. Imagine, putting education above convenience!

Yes, I know what you mean...

The school in question was quite 'progressive' in it's day. The best
teacher I ever had was also at that school, in year 10. Inspired me to
learn and excel, rather than plod along and do just enough to pass.

That same teacher went on to have one of the biggest number one songs
in the music chart's history here in Australia - he later went into
federal politics and other things.

At one point we were permitted to smoke in school if we wanted - that
of course only lasted a few weeks, due to howls of protest from
parents. Before anyone goes off the deep end about that, keep in mind
this was circa 1979, and smoking was far more prevalent than it is
today. The school was attempting to deal with the smoking problem by
trialling this idea.

We also had classes in things like photography, amateur radio,
electronics, astronomy and of course woodwork, metal work and
plastics. We had our own zoo... we converted a large area of asphalt
into our own zoo, with some real animals, not just bunnies and
hamsters . Music was also big, and there was a fairly vibrant music
scene within the school, with quite a few bands trying to outdo each
other... mostly punk/alternative bands at the time. Commercial music
was the work of satan .

Oh, and IBM donated a computer in 1978... it took up an entire room. I
remember having no interest in it at all - we spent hours punching
holes in card to feed into the thing... already knowing the correct
answer. How exciting...

This was a public/government school, not private.
This was Marion High School in South Australia - apparently the school
no longer exists now. Not surprising, since there was another high
school of equal size only minutes walk away.


>(Actually, it's what I tell my students. Lectures and tutorials are not compulsory; the assignments and exam are.
>The joy of post-secondary, without automatic attendance requirements. (We can choose to make attendance
>compulsory, but most people in my part of the uni don't.))

If it works, it works. I never realised you were a teacher, Timo

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 08:39:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-07 7:20 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
>> > On 6/4/2014 11:31 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>> >>
>> > My son will begin his student teaching assignment this fall.
>> > Throughout
>> > his college training the education students have been told to not give
>> > their phone number to students, the main reason being to eliminate that
>> > as a possible means of improper contact between teacher and student.
>> > Of
>> > course, prospective teachers are also told to never be alone with a
>> > student for any reason. Things have changed a great deal in the past
>> > few decades.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Things sure have changed over the years.
>
> Sure you wouldn't call the teacher on their private phone, but you can
> certainly call them when they're inside the school building. If it's
> during school hours, the secretary takes a message and the teacher
> calls you back. How hard is that? Julie's DD was probably being a
> typical kid and didn't even tell Julie about the assignment until it
> was too late.

Actually you can't. We have been asked not to call the rooms. We are not
even given the option to do that. They said it is too distracting and some
parents were calling all the time. When she was in elementary school, you
could call the office and they would always answer. They might answer in
Jr. High. They never do in High School.

Angela didn't *know* about the assignment because she wasn't there. She did
try to ask her friends but all of her friends are busy after school with
jobs or other activities. So they can't always answer their phones and
often don't get the messages until the next morning. And even at that,
since you had kids, I'm sure that you know how often kids and even teens
either get things wrong themselves or in retelling to you, can leave out
major details.

I am always astounded at how different each kid is. As in their ability to
think things through. And some can't do that. I guess I have Angela well
trained. Because when we go places, I always try to think ahead of time.
Is there any other place in the area where we might need to go? I hate
having to drive to just one place and will always try to combine things into
one trip. But not everyone does this.

For instance. I was driving a bunch of people once. One said that she
needed to stop by where she worked. It's a fast food place. I was going to
buy everyone a snack there. But then she said, no, she didn't need to go
there. So we did something else. Then on the way home, she said that yes,
she did need to go there. This didn't make me happy as I'd had to make a
stop somewhere else for food and beverages. And then when I left there, she
told me which way to go out.

This is going to be a tad hard to express without a map but... We were very
near the corner. There was a right turn only lane, two straight lanes and a
left turn only lane. She specifically pointed to that exit from the
parking lot and there were others. One that even had a traffic light at it.
So pointed there and told me to go out. It was rush out so the only lane I
could possibly have gotten into was the right turn only. Even had there
been no traffic, we were so close to the light that it would have been hard
to get from there to the left turn only lane. You'd have to pretty much go
out and straight across all those lanes. To complicate matters, it was
raining harder than it usually does here.

When she told me that I needed to turn left, all I could do was bite my
tongue. So I did the only thing I could and that was turn right. She then
began freaking out and asking me what I was doing? I calmly replied, "I'm
going around the corner, back into the parking lot, then out at the exit
where that light is so that I can actually get over a couple of lanes and
make a left. There is no way I could get in the left lane from where you
told me to go out!" This was met with this sort of dumb look on her face

Alas, I find that this sort of thing is typical of many kids and teens. Now
mine might have done this sort of thing when she was much younger, but she
doesn't do it now. So it always comes as a shock to me when I see how some
other kids haven't the ability to think things through. And so many of them
just do things without thinking about the consequences of their actions. I
could give tons of examples on that. I won't though. I'm sure you've seen
it.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 10:45:46 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> Some young boy was going door to door, selling stuff for
>> school. This was maybe ... 40 miles from me or so. Another
>> kid, older, lured him into the house and it didn't end
>> well. Big uproar.
>
> The responsible organizations emphasize that kids should never go door
> to door, selling to strangers.
>
We haven't had any for a long time. We had one after we moved in who was
selling magazines. The whole spiel sounded phony. And a few times we got
the bogus candy sellers. I don't know if you got those in your area but
they've been around here for years. Some unscrupulous adult buys a bunch of
candy, often off-brands and stale and then lures kids into selling it,
giving them the name of some bogus charity. The adult follows the kid
around to make sure that they sell and doesn't let up on them until the
candy is all gone. Then they grab the money and run. The kid never gets a
dime but they often get an earful after some buyer tastes the bad candy and
chases after them trying to get their money back.