On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:09:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Also don't do DVDs. Freaking hate DVDs!

Me too! Grrr, they make me so angry, what with their shiny surfaces
and convenience over analogue tape - them DVDs think they're god's
gift to mankind, sheesh.

On 2014-06-05 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:

>> So, she has neither friends in the class to ask about the assignment,
>> nor is she able to speak to the teacher to find out what the assignment
>> was?
>>
> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>


Or she can just accept that her kid is a dullard and is not going to
make it through the class. I child should be able to figure out an
assignment without her mother having to call the teacher.

On 2014-06-05 1:17 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> One summer they required her to take a math class. I did not want her
> to take it. They thought it was a monetary thing so gave me a
> scholarship. I only had to pay something like $25 instead of something
> like $275. The class was a total waste of time. She did not learn a
> thing.

No Surprise there. Neither one of you is bright enough to realize that
summer school is for the kids who do badly. I guess she just didn't
learn any more in summer school than she did during the year.


>The class turned out to be kids from 1st to 5th grade with the
> work being tailored to the younger kids.
She was that far behind in math?


>

On 2014-06-05 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>
>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>
> No. They don't take calls. They do take emails. They asked me to quit
> doing it. Angela is supposed to do it. No matter now on this though as
> it is as well as a done deal.


Too funny Julie. You must have been a real annoyance there too.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-06-05 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>
>>> So, she has neither friends in the class to ask about the assignment,
>>> nor is she able to speak to the teacher to find out what the assignment
>>> was?
>>>
>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>>
>
>
> Or she can just accept that her kid is a dullard and is not going to make
> it through the class. I child should be able to figure out an assignment
> without her mother having to call the teacher.


How very unkind

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On 6/5/2014 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-05 1:17 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> One summer they required her to take a math class. I did not want her
>> to take it. They thought it was a monetary thing so gave me a
>> scholarship. I only had to pay something like $25 instead of something
>> like $275. The class was a total waste of time. She did not learn a
>> thing.
>
> No Surprise there. Neither one of you is bright enough to realize that
> summer school is for the kids who do badly. I guess she just didn't
> learn any more in summer school than she did during the year.
>
Dave, I did very well in high school but I also *chose* to go to summer
school for a couple of years. You got extra credits for doing so. I
could have graduated a year early, which is what many of my friends did.

Having said that, I was never *required* to go to summer school, not
even when I almost flunked math. I excelled in English but I am not
mathematically inclined, much to the dismay of my father who was a math wiz.

Jill

On 2014-06-05 9:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>> No Surprise there. Neither one of you is bright enough to realize that
>> summer school is for the kids who do badly. I guess she just didn't
>> learn any more in summer school than she did during the year.
>>
> Dave, I did very well in high school but I also *chose* to go to summer
> school for a couple of years. You got extra credits for doing so. I
> could have graduated a year early, which is what many of my friends did.

You chose. The little angel was "required to take a math class"
>
> Having said that, I was never *required* to go to summer school, not
> even when I almost flunked math. I excelled in English but I am not
> mathematically inclined, much to the dismay of my father who was a math
> wiz.
>
I can appreciate that. I was bad at math too. My father was not pleased
that I had so much trouble with something that he was good at. I could
not help but see some humour in Bovette not learning anything at summer
school.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-06-05 9:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> No Surprise there. Neither one of you is bright enough to realize that
>>> summer school is for the kids who do badly. I guess she just didn't
>>> learn any more in summer school than she did during the year.
>>>
>> Dave, I did very well in high school but I also *chose* to go to summer
>> school for a couple of years. You got extra credits for doing so. I
>> could have graduated a year early, which is what many of my friends did.
>
> You chose. The little angel was "required to take a math class"

Yes. A CHILD! Bullying an adult when she can defend herself is one
matter, but a CHILD??????????????






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In article >, says...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/4/2014 7:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> She was actually absent when the assignment was given out so she may
> >> have gotten some details wrong.
> >
> > Oh BS. Even when you and I were in school if we were absent the day
> > homework was handed out, the instructions were given in writing. When I
> > was Angela's age I was absent for a week due to an inner ear infection. A
> > school friend brought me my books and my *written* homework assignments.
> > The instructions weren't vague. Get real.
>
> Nonsense! I often did not get written instructions. That's what notes are
> for. These days it is done by putting it on the whatever they call it
> board...some kind of computer thing and kids are supposed to use their
> phones to take a pic of it. Our schools do not use books any more. It's
> all online. However, the school district redid the websites and the teachers
> lost the ability to put assignments online. The math and science "books"
> are accessed via a website that is not the school's.
>
> Just because *you* did something a certain way doesn't mean that is the way
> things are done now. I had to do a lot of reports that involved going to
> the library and taking notes. The library is no longer used for such things
> and Angela has never ever had to do a major report like I used to have to
> do. She also hasn't had to write a lot of essays. School these days is
> totally different than when I went. When I went, I didn't have tons of
> homework except for when I had a report due. I wasn't required to take any
> math in high school at all. Now? Some nights 5-6 hours of homework. And
> none of it involves books.

LOL. She doesn't have to write major reports or a lot of essays yet
is online 5 to 6 hours a day "doing homework" which she downloaded from
her phone and no, you can't see the assignment set online because the
teachers no longer have access...

You really believe that?

Janet UK

In article .pbz>,
says...

> I think there are still these places where they have lots and lots of
> books, and you don't have to BUY them, you can borrow them....
>
> "Library" is the word I'm looking for...

" I've no idea what you mean, I never heard that word before".

Janet UK

On 6/4/2014 10:08 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Robert" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>>> She was actually absent when the assignment was given out so she may
>>> have gotten some details wrong. She agreed to do the cookies because
>>> everyone else had signed up for things like pastry, vegetables and
>>> cheese. So far no other cookies.
>>
>> Did you not say that cheese was not allowed because it was not made by
>> her? Now some kids are not only doing cheese but vegetables as well.
>
> I did not say that. What I said was that I did not know if it was
> allowed because she told me that they had to make something. The
> teacher may well have told them to "bring" French food but we shall
> never know what he said as she was not there when he said it.

I know Julie has me filtered, but someone should tell her to think
about making a choux paste into little cream puffs. For ease, use
French vanilla pudding to fill them. Who doesn't like a cream puff?

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On 2014-06-05 11:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-06-05 9:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>> No Surprise there. Neither one of you is bright enough to realize that
>>>> summer school is for the kids who do badly. I guess she just didn't
>>>> learn any more in summer school than she did during the year.
>>>>
>>> Dave, I did very well in high school but I also *chose* to go to summer
>>> school for a couple of years. You got extra credits for doing so. I
>>> could have graduated a year early, which is what many of my friends did.
>>
>> You chose. The little angel was "required to take a math class"
>
> Yes. A CHILD! Bullying an adult when she can defend herself is one
> matter, but a CHILD??????????????
>

What child? There is no child. There is just the mother of a
nonparticipant who would have us believe that her child was *required*
to attend summer school, that she was stuck in a class geared for lower
level (younger) students, and that she learned nothing there.

On 2014-06-05 12:06 PM, Janet wrote:

> LOL. She doesn't have to write major reports or a lot of essays yet
> is online 5 to 6 hours a day "doing homework" which she downloaded from
> her phone and no, you can't see the assignment set online because the
> teachers no longer have access...
>
> You really believe that?
>

The kid is a liar???? Hmmm... the apple did not fall far from the tree.

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> what's the reason that Angela isn't doing the research for yet another
> >> project?
> >
> > That's what I was thinking. I know Julie just wants to help her but
> > she's 15-16 now and it's a school project. Julie should back off. Let
> > Angela research this, pick something, and make it herself...all on her
> > own. Pass or fail, let her earn her own grade on the project.
> >
> > You only hurt her by taking charge here, Julie. It's time to back
> > off.
>
> She needs help! She missed another day of school from being sick. Has sooo
> much homework to catch up on and this is testing week. Plus kind of a hell
> week at the dance studio. I wasn't trying to take charge. Neither of us
> know much about French food and the few things I suggested, she balked at,
> thinking perhaps they were not authentic. She said the teacher said the
> more authentic the better. At any rate, she is going to make the cookies.

excuses, excuses, excuses

On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:56:10 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2014-06-05 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>>
>>>> So, she has neither friends in the class to ask about the assignment,
>>>> nor is she able to speak to the teacher to find out what the assignment
>>>> was?
>>>>
>>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>>>
>>
>> Or she can just accept that her kid is a dullard and is not going to make
>> it through the class. I child should be able to figure out an assignment
>> without her mother having to call the teacher.
>
>
>How very unkind

Perhaps it can be seen to be unkind, but I tend to agree that it isnt
helpful to help in this case. I never got any help with my
assignments, and it defeats the purpose if your parents are helping
you. It's not helping the child, who presumably will go out into the
world on it's own at some point.

On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 17:09:30 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article .pbz>,
says...
>
>> I think there are still these places where they have lots and lots of
>> books, and you don't have to BUY them, you can borrow them....
>>
>> "Library" is the word I'm looking for...
>
> " I've no idea what you mean, I never heard that word before".

It's one hell of an awesome excuse, isn't it? LOL.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-06-05 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>>
>>>> So, she has neither friends in the class to ask about the assignment,
>>>> nor is she able to speak to the teacher to find out what the assignment
>>>> was?
>>>>
>>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Or she can just accept that her kid is a dullard and is not going to make
>> it through the class. I child should be able to figure out an assignment
>> without her mother having to call the teacher.
>
>
> How very unkind

Yes indeed. And I am having to spend enough time trying to put right that
which the school is screwing up! They required her to take a math test the
other day. It wasn't just her. It was quite a few of the sophomore class.
So rather than going to their regular classes, they had to meet in the
commons for the test.

And what did I get? I phone call and an email telling me that my child was
absent for 3 periods. So I called and cleared her.

Then I logged onto the website to see if the math teacher had ever updated
her grades as she was about a month out of date and... Seems that she was
still marked absent for 3rd period! I had to contact that teacher who
didn't know what to do about it. So I contacted the school again.

A big part of the problem is that everything now is either automated or
computerized. There is no way to reach a live body if you do call. If you
leave a message, they don't return it. And they ask that you do not visit
the school unless you are requested to do so. The school is just so very
overcrowded. Too many people living in this area. So much new
construction. They are building a new high school much closer to our house
but it won't be open until the year after she graduates.

We went through stupidity at the start of school over her locker. I had to
put in a special request because they didn't have nearly enough lockers for
everyone and those who got them had to share them. Priority was given to
seniors and we only knew that she would get one if there was still one
available

Locker combinations were handed out and she didn't get one. Since I was the
one who had to put the request in (not the student), I contacted the school
three times on this. Nobody got back to me. And she was unable to get to
the office. Because of road construction, she often gets to the school so
late that she barely makes it to class. After school, if she doesn't get
right on the bus, she will miss it. And they don't allow enough time
between classes to make a stop there to ask.

So it wasn't until she had filled out papers for next year's classes that
she got paperwork telling her that she would get the same locker and what
the combination was! So she went a whole semester without it.

And then there is the parking dilemma. We were told at the start of this
year that they only had enough parking spots for seniors and if a student
wanted a parking pass, they needed to buy it before the start of school.
Then not enough people got them so they opened it up to juniors and
eventually sophomores. But for next year? The rules are unclear. They
said that you couldn't get one if you didn't have a valid driver's license,
but then they turned around and said that maybe you could. So who knows?!
Not us.

Oh and! Yes, I am droning... I went to a stupid 2 hour meeting at the end
of 9th grade telling me what they would need for graduation requirements.
And then? Halfway through this year, they changed them! The whole reason
she signed up for French was that a foreign language was required to
graduate. Now it is not! But we think that 2 years are required for
college entrance. That could be wrong though. I just can't keep up with it
all. It's like... Come up with a decision and stick with it!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/5/2014 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-06-05 1:17 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> One summer they required her to take a math class. I did not want her
>>> to take it. They thought it was a monetary thing so gave me a
>>> scholarship. I only had to pay something like $25 instead of something
>>> like $275. The class was a total waste of time. She did not learn a
>>> thing.
>>
>> No Surprise there. Neither one of you is bright enough to realize that
>> summer school is for the kids who do badly. I guess she just didn't
>> learn any more in summer school than she did during the year.
>>
> Dave, I did very well in high school but I also *chose* to go to summer
> school for a couple of years. You got extra credits for doing so. I
> could have graduated a year early, which is what many of my friends did.
>
> Having said that, I was never *required* to go to summer school, not even
> when I almost flunked math. I excelled in English but I am not
> mathematically inclined, much to the dismay of my father who was a math
> wiz.

Summer school here can be optional. She wanted to take 10th grade healthy
online over the summer but we couldn't figure out how to get her into it and
nobody could seem to help me with it. At least now they have set up the
website so that it is clear, but she already took the class. Even if she
were getting an A, she would be allowed to take the summer math. I would
have to pay for it. She could even go up a level and take it for credit if
she so desired.

I took Driver's Ed in summer school. My friend took English. He didn't
have bad grades but he had a speech problem which may have related to
hearing. For instance, he would say something like... There was a deaf
among one of the athaletes. Meaning death. Or he would say something
like... I didn't realize that he was death. Meaning deaf. It was really
only a very few words that he didn't quite get right. He had to really work
to correct it.

The reason why Angela had to take summer school was that she didn't know her
times tables. She didn't know them because she was stuck in special ed math
early on and they were never taught to her. Then by the time she reached
the higher grades, she had not only her special ed math (which she never had
a problem with) and also the class math which she hadn't a clue about. All
I could say to her was, "Good luck with that!" I am nearly 55 and I still
don't know all of my times tables. She never has a problem with 9's. They
teach the kids some method that involves the fingers that I could never
figure out. Me? I have trouble with some of my 7's, 8's and 9's. Only
some. I will never remember them and I have no need to now. Now we have
calculator.

At any rate, they stuck her in this stupid class for the summer that was
mostly first and second graders. She was in fifth. They never touched on
anything that she needed to know and the little bit of math that she did do
was what she already did. For some reason, they focused on a lot of Lewis
and Clark stuff which she already knew. So it was all a waste.

Another waste was the tutor she saw. The school recommended her. She was a
former teacher. But... She just kept working on that which she already
knew, stating that she just wanted to firm up the fact for her. She would
rave about how well she was doing and even used her as an example for the
students before and after her. Two of which had some serious math problems.
She would say, "See? Angela is smart! She can do it!" But what she never
did was lend assistance with homework or even touch on the type of math they
were doing at the time. Her grades at the time were poor. Then the tutor
became very ill and we never went back. And all of a sudden, she got very
good grades.

She had exactly the same problem that I had with math. Moving not only from
one school district but to an entirely different state at an early age. We
learned one kind of math where we came from and something different once we
got here. For instance, in both cases, we did not work with numbers. She
was working with sets. And some strange kind of square, colored beads that
turned and were stuck together with a wire or something inside.

And I was working with stick figures. So if I were to add 4 plus 9, I would
have to draw two stick men with circles for hands and put 4 fingers on one
hand and 5 on the other. No numbers. But when we moved here? The kids
were working with felt boards and putting little chicks and other animals on
it.

I can't remember now what they were doing when we moved here. They changed
the math so many damned times. At one point they had to use the lattice
method for multiplication. If you have never done this before, look it up.
It will make your head spin. Take something relatively simple and add
waaaay too many extra steps to it and there you have it. These days, it's
not enough to know how to get the answer. You have to know every possible
way that you can get to the answer, be able to do them all correctly and
show your work. The theory being that not everyone learns the same way so
they are forcing the kids to explore all of the possibilities. And that's
okay with me but... Let the kid find something that works for them and let
them use it! Why continue to waste time on things that are hard for them to
understand?

I was an honor student and always got A's in math although I never took it
beyond the 9th grade as I hated it and it wasn't required. But the types of
things that Angela did, even in Kindergarten were all foreign to me. I
remember going door to door in NY with her math paper, asking for help. I
finally found a high school student upstairs who explained it to me. A
great deal of the problem is that they use words that I don't know the
meaning up. For instance, they don't use the words, "problem" or
"equation". Those are familiar math words to me. Now they use totally
different words to mean the same thing. But I did not know this. And it
does seem to be on the Internet now. But when we were in NY, the Internet
was no help at all with the type of math they were doing.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-06-05 9:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>> No Surprise there. Neither one of you is bright enough to realize that
>>>> summer school is for the kids who do badly. I guess she just didn't
>>>> learn any more in summer school than she did during the year.
>>>>
>>> Dave, I did very well in high school but I also *chose* to go to summer
>>> school for a couple of years. You got extra credits for doing so. I
>>> could have graduated a year early, which is what many of my friends did.
>>
>> You chose. The little angel was "required to take a math class"
>
> Yes. A CHILD! Bullying an adult when she can defend herself is one
> matter, but a CHILD??????????????

And the sad thing is that he himself has a son. I hate to think of what
that son's life was like when he was a child.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...

> LOL. She doesn't have to write major reports or a lot of essays yet
> is online 5 to 6 hours a day "doing homework" which she downloaded from
> her phone and no, you can't see the assignment set online because the
> teachers no longer have access...
>
> You really believe that?

I most assuredly didn't say any of that at all! How do you even download
from a phone? I don't think you can do that! I said that they are required
to take pics of the board. I can't remember now what it is called. Not a
white board but something like that. Where the assignments are listed. The
English teacher urged us to buy them phones with photo capabilities if they
did not have them. That way they did not have to take notes and did not
have any excuses. Not all of her friends have phones or even phones like
that. Some people are not wealthy.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article .pbz>,
> says...
>
>> I think there are still these places where they have lots and lots of
>> books, and you don't have to BUY them, you can borrow them....
>>
>> "Library" is the word I'm looking for...
>
> " I've no idea what you mean, I never heard that word before".
>
> Janet UK

I'm sure some people still use libraries. My friend is a librarian in
another city here and I have seen pics of hers. But I really have no need
for one. I have not set foot into any library since we lived in CA and that
was for story hour which Angela didn't care for so we left.

If we need books, we buy books. I can't think of a bigger hassle than a
library than perhaps video rentals and I don't do that either. If I want or
need something, I'll buy it and be done with it.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 6/4/2014 10:08 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Robert" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>>> She was actually absent when the assignment was given out so she may
>>>> have gotten some details wrong. She agreed to do the cookies because
>>>> everyone else had signed up for things like pastry, vegetables and
>>>> cheese. So far no other cookies.
>>>
>>> Did you not say that cheese was not allowed because it was not made by
>>> her? Now some kids are not only doing cheese but vegetables as well.
>>
>> I did not say that. What I said was that I did not know if it was
>> allowed because she told me that they had to make something. The
>> teacher may well have told them to "bring" French food but we shall
>> never know what he said as she was not there when he said it.
>
> I know Julie has me filtered, but someone should tell her to think about
> making a choux paste into little cream puffs. For ease, use French
> vanilla pudding to fill them. Who doesn't like a cream puff?

Well you are apparently not filtered now. Don't know what happened there.
Of course that was one of the first things I thought of. And who doesn't
like them? Me! Can't stand anything with a creamy texture. However... I
immediately dismissed that notion, figuring that half the class would be
bringing them since they are so typical and easy to make. This was before I
knew that they each had to commit to something different so that there would
be no duplicates. But we have already bought the ingredients and she is
making the cookies. With French butter and French chocolate.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:56:10 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 2014-06-05 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So, she has neither friends in the class to ask about the assignment,
>>>>> nor is she able to speak to the teacher to find out what the
>>>>> assignment
>>>>> was?
>>>>>
>>>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Or she can just accept that her kid is a dullard and is not going to
>>> make
>>> it through the class. I child should be able to figure out an assignment
>>> without her mother having to call the teacher.
>>
>>
>>How very unkind
>
> Perhaps it can be seen to be unkind, but I tend to agree that it isnt
> helpful to help in this case. I never got any help with my
> assignments, and it defeats the purpose if your parents are helping
> you. It's not helping the child, who presumably will go out into the
> world on it's own at some point.

You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we hear
about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:56:10 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On 2014-06-05 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So, she has neither friends in the class to ask about the assignment,
>>>>>> nor is she able to speak to the teacher to find out what the
>>>>>> assignment
>>>>>> was?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or she can just accept that her kid is a dullard and is not going to
>>>> make
>>>> it through the class. I child should be able to figure out an
>>>> assignment
>>>> without her mother having to call the teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>>How very unkind
>>
>> Perhaps it can be seen to be unkind, but I tend to agree that it isnt
>> helpful to help in this case. I never got any help with my
>> assignments, and it defeats the purpose if your parents are helping
>> you. It's not helping the child, who presumably will go out into the
>> world on it's own at some point.
>
> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we hear
> about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.

Agree.

As for getting help with assignments, I did get help. Sometimes a person
just does need help!

On 2014-06-06 5:48 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>

>> Perhaps it can be seen to be unkind, but I tend to agree that it isnt
>> helpful to help in this case. I never got any help with my
>> assignments, and it defeats the purpose if your parents are helping
>> you. It's not helping the child, who presumably will go out into the
>> world on it's own at some point.
>
> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we
> hear about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not
> acceptable.
>
Yes. You hear it almost every day, but that that is because the mother
provides us with all the details, and all the lies that go along with
it. I had her filtered for a long time,but that was a waste of time
because you and a couple others were compelled to reply to every message
the idiot troll posts, taking her seriously, quoting the contents and
treating her as if she is a normal person.

She shared the information about the daughter being required to go to
summer school and being in a class of younger children. Read between the
lines. The daughter is so far behind in math that she is performed at a
lower grade level.... and learned nothing. Of course, there is the
possibility that Julie was just lying again.

If all that BS was flying around here I would not be commenting on it.

On 2014-06-05 11:59 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>>>> Dave, I did very well in high school but I also *chose* to go to summer
>>>> school for a couple of years. You got extra credits for doing so. I
>>>> could have graduated a year early, which is what many of my friends
>>>> did.
>>>
>>> You chose. The little angel was "required to take a math class"
>>
>> Yes. A CHILD! Bullying an adult when she can defend herself is one
>> matter, but a CHILD??????????????
>
> And the sad thing is that he himself has a son. I hate to think of what
> that son's life was like when he was a child.

My son had a pretty good life here. He has said so and he writes in on
special occasion cards. Yes, he did have to take summer school classes
one year. I will admit to that and not say that he was required to even
though he had done well, but was put in with younger children. They
were at his grade level and he learned something.

On 2014-06-06 12:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I'm sure some people still use libraries. My friend is a librarian in
> another city here and I have seen pics of hers. But I really have no
> need for one. I have not set foot into any library since we lived in CA

That is one thing you have posted here that I have no trouble believing.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we hear
> about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.

I agree, but... I would be horrified if my mom/dad/wife/husband was posting
about me all the time to strangers. I don't think that's right at all,
especially when you only hear one side of the story.


Cheri

On 2014-06-06 8:53 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we
>> hear about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not
>> acceptable.
>
> I agree, but... I would be horrified if my mom/dad/wife/husband was
> posting about me all the time to strangers. I don't think that's right
> at all, especially when you only hear one side of the story.
>

We would know nothing about the vortex of dysfunction that is Julie's
family if she were not posting about them all the time. To make matters
worse, she twists the truth and has difficulty keeping her lies
straight. One day the daughter is a dancer and the next she is disabled.
The other day she reported that the daughter had missed several days of
school, but then she said that they were busy with dance. It makes one
wonder who she can be too sick to go to school and then go to dance
lessons. She gets information that her daughter is missing classes, but
then claims it is a reporting problem. The kid skipping classes might
be one of the reasons she cant understand the terms of her French
assignment and why she ended up in summer school.... where she didn't
learn anything.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:04:03 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> Angela needs to make some authentic French food to take to her French class.

>
> Any other ideas? I figured they would be getting tons of sweets so was
> trying to think of something not sweet. Salad Nicoise comes to mind but I
> fear that the composed element of it might get kind of wrecked after a ride
> on the school bus and being carried all over school.
>

I like the idea of salade Nicoise. I would just carry the separate elements
in Ziplocs, and arrange it on a platter when she gets there.

"Cheri" wrote:
>"Ophelia" wrote:
>
>> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we hear
>> about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.
>
>I agree, but... I would be horrified if my mom/dad/wife/husband was posting
>about me all the time to strangers. I don't think that's right at all,
>especially when you only hear one side of the story.

True, we can't cross examine. And that's why I don't put much if any
stock in all the personal accounts, even things people claim they
cook, unless there are at least pictures. I'm always highly suspect
of posts telling of all the minutia of ones personal life because
those who do are prone to wild embellishing. Julie really ought to
refrain from posting about other people, especially her daughter and
husband... by constantly making negative comments about her daughter's
lifestyle she brings about the negative remarks herself. I don't post
about the people in my life simply because I'd only be giving
ammunition to be used against them and me... no one at usenet needs to
know about my private life... I can't stop them from imagining but
this way they only make fools of themselves. If people in this open
venue make sport of Julie's daughter only Julie and she alone is
responsible because she is the one initially making sport of her
daughter by using her in order to give credibility to her fercocktah
bullshit stories... Julie needs to learn how to STFU. There are
plenty of other topics to discuss other than ones family.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote:
>>"Ophelia" wrote:
>>
>>> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we
>>> hear
>>> about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.
>>
>>I agree, but... I would be horrified if my mom/dad/wife/husband was
>>posting
>>about me all the time to strangers. I don't think that's right at all,
>>especially when you only hear one side of the story.
>
> True, we can't cross examine. And that's why I don't put much if any
> stock in all the personal accounts, even things people claim they
> cook, unless there are at least pictures. I'm always highly suspect
> of posts telling of all the minutia of ones personal life because
> those who do are prone to wild embellishing. Julie really ought to
> refrain from posting about other people, especially her daughter and
> husband... by constantly making negative comments about her daughter's
> lifestyle she brings about the negative remarks herself. I don't post
> about the people in my life simply because I'd only be giving
> ammunition to be used against them and me... no one at usenet needs to
> know about my private life... I can't stop them from imagining but
> this way they only make fools of themselves. If people in this open
> venue make sport of Julie's daughter only Julie and she alone is
> responsible because she is the one initially making sport of her
> daughter by using her in order to give credibility to her fercocktah
> bullshit stories... Julie needs to learn how to STFU. There are
> plenty of other topics to discuss other than ones family.

I definitely agree. It's one thing to say something in passing, like my dh
doesn't cook, my grandsons like a certain food etc., but when you get into
personal unflattering details about them on Usenet, well...you have to
expect that others are going to chime in.

Cheri

On 2014-06-06 12:32 PM, Cheri wrote:
>

> Actually, I've known Julie for 13 or more years, and it's not phony.

A lot of it is phony. It may be genuine Julie, but a lot of it is
bullshit. She tells so many lies she can't keep the stories straight.
One day her daughter is a dancer, and another day she is "disabled". She
said that her husband used to stop at restaurants on the way home to
eat, then she denied saying that he did that, and then we were just
remembering too much.



> That being said, everyone has the choice of who they wish to post to,
> and others have a choice to read it or not.


I tried filtering the compulsive poster, but compulsive sympathetic
repliers quote her posts, so it is hard not to read it. Hell, I don't
like watching TV commercials, but it is hard not to notice them when
they are being run over and over everywhere.

On 6/6/2014 12:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I tried filtering the compulsive poster, but compulsive sympathetic
> repliers quote her posts, so it is hard not to read it. Hell, I don't
> like watching TV commercials, but it is hard not to notice them when
> they are being run over and over everywhere.

I find it's pretty easy to avoid TV commercials. When commercials come
on, I bury my nose in a book. I always have a book handy. I have the
ability to completely ignore the commercials if the book is interesting
enough.

Jill

On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 08:52:00 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> "Cheri" wrote:
>>>"Ophelia" wrote:
>>>
>>>> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we
>>>> hear
>>>> about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.
>>>
>>>I agree, but... I would be horrified if my mom/dad/wife/husband was
>>>posting
>>>about me all the time to strangers. I don't think that's right at all,
>>>especially when you only hear one side of the story.
>>
>> True, we can't cross examine. And that's why I don't put much if any
>> stock in all the personal accounts, even things people claim they
>> cook, unless there are at least pictures. I'm always highly suspect
>> of posts telling of all the minutia of ones personal life because
>> those who do are prone to wild embellishing. Julie really ought to
>> refrain from posting about other people, especially her daughter and
>> husband... by constantly making negative comments about her daughter's
>> lifestyle she brings about the negative remarks herself. I don't post
>> about the people in my life simply because I'd only be giving
>> ammunition to be used against them and me... no one at usenet needs to
>> know about my private life... I can't stop them from imagining but
>> this way they only make fools of themselves. If people in this open
>> venue make sport of Julie's daughter only Julie and she alone is
>> responsible because she is the one initially making sport of her
>> daughter by using her in order to give credibility to her fercocktah
>> bullshit stories... Julie needs to learn how to STFU. There are
>> plenty of other topics to discuss other than ones family.
>
>I definitely agree. It's one thing to say something in passing, like my dh
>doesn't cook, my grandsons like a certain food etc., but when you get into
>personal unflattering details about them on Usenet, well...you have to
>expect that others are going to chime in.

I think it's very sad that Julie is constantly posting the negative
details of her daughter's eating habits and her other personal
information... her daughter very likely doesn't know her mother is
betraying her trust on the internet by making public her health issues
etc., those are things she can post herself if she so chooses, and at
an appropriate venue, not a cooking group. Posting about her own
dysfunctions is one thing but Julie is way out of order posting
anything personal about her daughter, and to date she has never even
once posted anything complimentary about her daughter, only her dirty
laundry... what an awful mother.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we hear
>> about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.
>
> I agree, but... I would be horrified if my mom/dad/wife/husband was
> posting about me all the time to strangers. I don't think that's right at
> all, especially when you only hear one side of the story.

I agree, but the kid doesn't deserve strangers slagging her off, whoever it
is. Whatever someone said about a child, I could never join in calling it
nasty names. Not the kid's fault.


--
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On Friday, June 6, 2014 9:59:37 AM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2014-06-06 12:32 PM, Cheri wrote:

>
> > That being said, everyone has the choice of who they wish to post to,
> > and others have a choice to read it or not.
>
>
> I tried filtering the compulsive poster, but compulsive sympathetic
> repliers quote her posts, so it is hard not to read it. Hell, I don't
> like watching TV commercials, but it is hard not to notice them when
> they are being run over and over everywhere.

I thought that taking this on-topic post at face value was essentially
reasonable. Further, we are always looking for potluck dishes that don't
need to be reheated, because we have at least six to prepare for every year.

Frog Eatng Frenchies love Frog Legs. Try that.

On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:02:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I most assuredly didn't say any of that at all! How do you even download
>from a phone?

Read the manual. That's what the manual is for.

>I don't think you can do that! I said that they are required
>to take pics of the board. I can't remember now what it is called. Not a
>white board but something like that. Where the assignments are listed. The
>English teacher urged us to buy them phones with photo capabilities if they
>did not have them. That way they did not have to take notes and did not
>have any excuses.

The teacher should be fired, if that's true at all.

On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:48:25 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:56:10 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On 2014-06-05 12:31 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So, she has neither friends in the class to ask about the assignment,
>>>>>> nor is she able to speak to the teacher to find out what the
>>>>>> assignment
>>>>>> was?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Julie could also call the teacher and ask. That's what I would do.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or she can just accept that her kid is a dullard and is not going to
>>>> make
>>>> it through the class. I child should be able to figure out an assignment
>>>> without her mother having to call the teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>>How very unkind
>>
>> Perhaps it can be seen to be unkind, but I tend to agree that it isnt
>> helpful to help in this case. I never got any help with my
>> assignments, and it defeats the purpose if your parents are helping
>> you. It's not helping the child, who presumably will go out into the
>> world on it's own at some point.
>
>You misunderstand. I understand he doesn't like the mother, hell we hear
>about it *every* day, but calling the kid nasty names is not acceptable.

Fair enough, no need for nasty names directed at the kid.