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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:45:14 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> On 6/15/2014 12:55 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:52:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't keep
> >> your number

> >
> > NOBODY has ever said you could. The subject was CELL phones which
> > moved onto being able to take a CELL phone number with you when you
> > change providers or states and then you decided to talk about land
> > lines. What happens with land lines was not and still is not the
> > issue.
> >
> >
> >

> When we bought the house in TX we changed our cell phone number to a
> local area code and exchange. Not a problem at all. That was in 2005.


I don't know why I keep thinking 9 years ago was the dark ages.
Probably because we've always had the same number and have only heard
about that stuff happening, so I have no personal frame of reference
for it.
>
> I bought the Verizon AT Home system which is a wireless home system and
> was able to port my AT&T land line phone number to the Verizon at Home.
>
> Either Verizon is uniquely accommodating or people have just been
> getting the wrong information


After the first cell phone back in the '90s (can't even tell you which
carrier it was), we've always been with Verizon. Never had a problem
with them.

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sf > wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:43:14 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/14/2014 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't
>>> keep your number

>>
>> This is total BS. I lived in an RV for 9 years and had only one address
>> on file.

>
> I think 9 years ago, we still couldn't port our cell phone numbers if
> we changed carriers. In any case, she's not talking about cell phones
> anymore. She has switched the topic to landlines.


I was able to port my number from Sprint to T-Mobile and that was at least
8 years ago.

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On 6/15/2014 1:45 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>>

> When we bought the house in TX we changed our cell phone number to a
> local area code and exchange. Not a problem at all. That was in 2005.
>
> I bought the Verizon AT Home system which is a wireless home system and
> was able to port my AT&T land line phone number to the Verizon at Home.
>
> Either Verizon is uniquely accommodating or people have just been
> getting the wrong information
>


That is a relatively new thing. Not possible until maybe five years ago.

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On 6/15/2014 1:11 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:43:14 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/14/2014 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't
>>> keep your number

>>
>> This is total BS. I lived in an RV for 9 years and had only one address
>> on file.

>
> I think 9 years ago, we still couldn't port our cell phone numbers if
> we changed carriers. In any case, she's not talking about cell phones
> anymore. She has switched the topic to landlines.
>


It's hard to keep up with her. It's like dealing with a schizophrenic. :-)


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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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> On 6/14/2014 3:01 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> A landline is the only phone I have...no need for a cell, and it
>>>> would just be another monthly expense. I
>>>> actually remember how to live day to day without a cell (or a water
>>>> bottle) attached to my person. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> N.
>>>
>>> LOL, and don't forget the I-Pod.

>>
>> Gah! My mom brings her Ipad everywhere. She has taken it to throwing
>> it on the floor of my car when she gets out. Then of course steps on it
>> when she gets back in. At least the door pockets of the car are not
>> large enough to put it in. I made it all the way back home in the van
>> once with the Ipad. I had to turn around and drive it back because she
>> must play her games!

>
> Cheri said I-Pod, not I-Pad.


I know.



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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:43:14 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/14/2014 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't
>> > keep your number

>>
>> This is total BS. I lived in an RV for 9 years and had only one address
>> on file.

>
> I think 9 years ago, we still couldn't port our cell phone numbers if
> we changed carriers. In any case, she's not talking about cell phones
> anymore. She has switched the topic to landlines.
>

No, no, no. I was talking about CELL phones! I gave the landline as an
example.

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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
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> sf > wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:43:14 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/14/2014 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't
>>>> keep your number
>>>
>>> This is total BS. I lived in an RV for 9 years and had only one address
>>> on file.

>>
>> I think 9 years ago, we still couldn't port our cell phone numbers if
>> we changed carriers. In any case, she's not talking about cell phones
>> anymore. She has switched the topic to landlines.

>
> I was able to port my number from Sprint to T-Mobile and that was at least
> 8 years ago.


From one state to another? Same number?

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On 6/13/2014 4:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
>> when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>>

> I doubt that if they are moving to another state. It would behoove the
> person to get a local number. Not all people have unlimited long distance.


I got my cell phone in 2006. Since that time I've lived in 2 different
states and three different area codes. My cell number has remained the
same and at this point I can't imagine ever changing it. Too many
people and businesses have this number. So, it certainly wouldn't
behoove me to get a local number. What a colossal PITA to get everyone
up-to-date with my new phone #!

I also remember the days when the "phone company" had to come to your
home to set up new service. The phone was anchored to the wall. What
an upgrade it was to finally get modular plugs where you could move your
phone from room to room if you chose.

These days are nothing like the days when it would behoove someone to
get a local phone number.

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"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
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> On 6/13/2014 4:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
>>> when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>>>

>> I doubt that if they are moving to another state. It would behoove the
>> person to get a local number. Not all people have unlimited long
>> distance.

>
> I got my cell phone in 2006. Since that time I've lived in 2 different
> states and three different area codes. My cell number has remained the
> same and at this point I can't imagine ever changing it. Too many people
> and businesses have this number. So, it certainly wouldn't behoove me to
> get a local number. What a colossal PITA to get everyone up-to-date with
> my new phone #!
>
> I also remember the days when the "phone company" had to come to your home
> to set up new service. The phone was anchored to the wall. What an
> upgrade it was to finally get modular plugs where you could move your
> phone from room to room if you chose.
>
> These days are nothing like the days when it would behoove someone to get
> a local phone number.


I remember those days too. But how can you move to another state and keep
the same number? You'd have a different area code there. Do they not force
you to change it? If they don't, do you have to pay taxes to both states?
The one where your area code is and the other one? Let me try to look this
up.

This sounds like you can do it in some cases but you might pay extra and
your 911 might not work. So it doesn't sound like a good idea. And if you
do, do it, it sounds complicated.

http://www.ehow.com/how_7320729_keep...te-moving.html

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I drive less than 2000 miles a year. What does that tell you? ;-)

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:33:02 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> wrote:

>On 6/13/2014 4:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
>>> when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>>>

>> I doubt that if they are moving to another state. It would behoove the
>> person to get a local number. Not all people have unlimited long distance.

>
>I got my cell phone in 2006. Since that time I've lived in 2 different
>states and three different area codes. My cell number has remained the
>same and at this point I can't imagine ever changing it. Too many
>people and businesses have this number. So, it certainly wouldn't
>behoove me to get a local number. What a colossal PITA to get everyone
>up-to-date with my new phone #!
>
>I also remember the days when the "phone company" had to come to your
>home to set up new service. The phone was anchored to the wall. What
>an upgrade it was to finally get modular plugs where you could move your
>phone from room to room if you chose.
>
>These days are nothing like the days when it would behoove someone to
>get a local phone number.


You are correct, it's been several years since it's been necessary to
change cell phone numbers when moving from one area code to another,
with wireless your area code number remains the same regardless which
area code you're in.
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:15:31 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:33:02 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> wrote:
>
>>On 6/13/2014 4:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
>>>> when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>>>>
>>> I doubt that if they are moving to another state. It would behoove the
>>> person to get a local number. Not all people have unlimited long distance.

>>
>>I got my cell phone in 2006. Since that time I've lived in 2 different
>>states and three different area codes. My cell number has remained the
>>same and at this point I can't imagine ever changing it. Too many
>>people and businesses have this number. So, it certainly wouldn't
>>behoove me to get a local number. What a colossal PITA to get everyone
>>up-to-date with my new phone #!
>>
>>I also remember the days when the "phone company" had to come to your
>>home to set up new service. The phone was anchored to the wall. What
>>an upgrade it was to finally get modular plugs where you could move your
>>phone from room to room if you chose.
>>
>>These days are nothing like the days when it would behoove someone to
>>get a local phone number.

>
>You are correct, it's been several years since it's been necessary to
>change cell phone numbers when moving from one area code to another,
>with wireless your area code number remains the same regardless which
>area code you're in.


However I'll add that depending on plan roaming charges may apply.
Even sending email from a a mobile device like an iPhone there may be
roaming charges, especially sending email internationally, then you
may need to purchase a special Sim card.
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Nancy2 wrote:
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> I drive less than 2000 miles a year. What does that tell you? ;-)
>
> N.


I drive just a little over 1000 miles per year.
What does *that* tell you?

1) all my work is close to home
2) I do very little personal driving (2-5 miles per week)

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jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/14/2014 3:01 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> A landline is the only phone I have...no need for a cell, and it
>>>> would just be another monthly expense. I
>>>> actually remember how to live day to day without a cell (or a water
>>>> bottle) attached to my person. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> N.
>>>
>>> LOL, and don't forget the I-Pod.

>>
>> Gah! My mom brings her Ipad everywhere. She has taken it to throwing
>> it on the floor of my car when she gets out. Then of course steps on it
>> when she gets back in. At least the door pockets of the car are not
>> large enough to put it in. I made it all the way back home in the van
>> once with the Ipad. I had to turn around and drive it back because she
>> must play her games!

>
> Cheri said I-Pod, not I-Pad.
>
> Jill

She is still on-point. Give it a rest.
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On 6/15/2014 11:04 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I remember those days too. But how can you move to another state and
> keep the same number? You'd have a different area code there. Do they
> not force you to change it? If they don't, do you have to pay taxes to
> both states? The one where your area code is and the other one? Let me
> try to look this up.
>
> This sounds like you can do it in some cases but you might pay extra and
> your 911 might not work. So it doesn't sound like a good idea. And if
> you do, do it, it sounds complicated.


How can not changing my phone number sound complicated? I didn't look
at your link, no need to. When we moved we just loaded up the moving
truck and moved. Whatever taxes & fees we pay are for our current locale.

911 works just fine. We've had to call them several times and it rings
right in to our local emergency call center. All we need to do is give
them our address.

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"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
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> On 6/15/2014 11:04 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I remember those days too. But how can you move to another state and
>> keep the same number? You'd have a different area code there. Do they
>> not force you to change it? If they don't, do you have to pay taxes to
>> both states? The one where your area code is and the other one? Let me
>> try to look this up.
>>
>> This sounds like you can do it in some cases but you might pay extra and
>> your 911 might not work. So it doesn't sound like a good idea. And if
>> you do, do it, it sounds complicated.

>
> How can not changing my phone number sound complicated? I didn't look at
> your link, no need to. When we moved we just loaded up the moving truck
> and moved. Whatever taxes & fees we pay are for our current locale.
>
> 911 works just fine. We've had to call them several times and it rings
> right in to our local emergency call center. All we need to do is give
> them our address.
>

Well, if you didn't look at the link you wouldn't know. It spells out all
the hoops you'd need to go through to keep your number. I don't know who
your carrier is. But the link implies that it is complicated. And I do
know that Sprint wouldn't allow us to keep our number. But that was almost
10 years ago. Or they would allow us but would double tax us. And I wasn't
willing to pay.

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In article >,
sf > wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:52:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't keep
>> your number

>
>NOBODY has ever said you could. The subject was CELL phones which
>moved onto being able to take a CELL phone number with you when you
>change providers or states and then you decided to talk about land
>lines. What happens with land lines was not and still is not the
>issue.
>

Actually it doesn't matter whether its a landline or a cell phone
anymore. Do a search on number portability. (I can't remember when it
first became law, but seems like it was 10 or more years ago.) I can
change from traditional landline to cell or voip and keep my same number
AND area code--no matter where I live. My current cell phone is 415 (San
Francisco region) area code but I live in the 541 (southern Oregon) area
code. If I call it from a traditional landline phone in the local 541
area code it is considered a local call. If somebody in the local to 415
area code calls it from a traditional landline phone it will be long
distance. But since (almost) nobody has traditional phone service
without nationwide calling, who cares? I had the option of changing my
cell number area code when I moved here, but in this area of Oregon
landline phones have to dial the area code anyway, so I saw no advantage
to changing it.

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In article om>,
Janet Wilder > wrote:
>On 6/15/2014 12:55 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:52:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't keep
>>> your number

>>
>> NOBODY has ever said you could. The subject was CELL phones which
>> moved onto being able to take a CELL phone number with you when you
>> change providers or states and then you decided to talk about land
>> lines. What happens with land lines was not and still is not the
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>

>When we bought the house in TX we changed our cell phone number to a
>local area code and exchange. Not a problem at all. That was in 2005.
>
>I bought the Verizon AT Home system which is a wireless home system and
>was able to port my AT&T land line phone number to the Verizon at Home.
>
>Either Verizon is uniquely accommodating or people have just been
>getting the wrong information
>

People have been getting (and giving) the wrong information. It is
really inconvenient for the phone companies (and for people without
unlimited long distance) but number portability has been a legal
requirement for quite a few years in the US. The carrier is REQUIRED to
give you the option of keeping your number--including area code and
exchange when you change carriers. In the US you can no longer make ANY
assumption about where a phone is (even a landline) from the area code
or number. People are going to have to face the fact that phone numbers
are 10 digit, not 7 plus area code.

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In article >,
Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 6/15/2014 1:45 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>>

>> When we bought the house in TX we changed our cell phone number to a
>> local area code and exchange. Not a problem at all. That was in 2005.
>>
>> I bought the Verizon AT Home system which is a wireless home system and
>> was able to port my AT&T land line phone number to the Verizon at Home.
>>
>> Either Verizon is uniquely accommodating or people have just been
>> getting the wrong information
>>

>
>That is a relatively new thing. Not possible until maybe five years ago.
>

Mandated by the FCC in 2003. (With certain exceptions for obsolete telco
equipment that didn't support the required routing.)

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:19:53 +0000 (UTC), Ray Abbitt
> wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
> >On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:52:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't keep
> >> your number

> >
> >NOBODY has ever said you could. The subject was CELL phones which
> >moved onto being able to take a CELL phone number with you when you
> >change providers or states and then you decided to talk about land
> >lines. What happens with land lines was not and still is not the
> >issue.
> >

> Actually it doesn't matter whether its a landline or a cell phone
> anymore. Do a search on number portability. (I can't remember when it
> first became law, but seems like it was 10 or more years ago.) I can
> change from traditional landline to cell or voip and keep my same number
> AND area code--no matter where I live. My current cell phone is 415 (San
> Francisco region) area code but I live in the 541 (southern Oregon) area
> code. If I call it from a traditional landline phone in the local 541
> area code it is considered a local call. If somebody in the local to 415
> area code calls it from a traditional landline phone it will be long
> distance. But since (almost) nobody has traditional phone service
> without nationwide calling, who cares? I had the option of changing my
> cell number area code when I moved here, but in this area of Oregon
> landline phones have to dial the area code anyway, so I saw no advantage
> to changing it.
>

I tried to port my landline number over to a cell phone when we went
wireless and decided each of us would have our own phone instead of
sharing one phone. It had been my home number for 30 years and we
never changed carriers on purpose, but it was a football after the
MaBell breakup. First one carrier, then another. I waited two weeks
for Verizon to figure out who owned the number so I could take it to a
cell phone - but they didn't figure it out and I didn't want to wait
any longer. It only mattered to people who had the number memorized
and dialed that way. Now everyone has the new number in their
contacts list and it doesn't matter anymore.

DD's phone has a Santa Barbara area code from her college days. She's
been back home for over 10 years, but has never bothered changing it.
All of her friends use cell phones and/or VOIP, so nobody cares what
area code they are calling. Changing just the area code would be just
as big of a PITA as an entirely new number because they select names
from a contact list, they don't key the number in. Heck, I don't
bother keying in my husband's number either - I just select it from
the list if I want to call him.

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On 6/15/2014 2:54 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> sf > wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:43:14 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/14/2014 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't
>>>> keep your number
>>>
>>> This is total BS. I lived in an RV for 9 years and had only one address
>>> on file.

>>
>> I think 9 years ago, we still couldn't port our cell phone numbers if
>> we changed carriers. In any case, she's not talking about cell phones
>> anymore. She has switched the topic to landlines.

>
> I was able to port my number from Sprint to T-Mobile and that was at least
> 8 years ago.
>

I had the same cell phone number from 1995 until about 2 years ago when
I got a smart phone. Changed providers many times, even going to
trakfone and was able to keep my number way back then, and they can't
even figure out how to do it now.

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"Ray Abbitt" > wrote in message
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> sf > wrote:
>>On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:52:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have a landline phone and move to another state, you sure can't
>>> keep
>>> your number

>>
>>NOBODY has ever said you could. The subject was CELL phones which
>>moved onto being able to take a CELL phone number with you when you
>>change providers or states and then you decided to talk about land
>>lines. What happens with land lines was not and still is not the
>>issue.
>>

> Actually it doesn't matter whether its a landline or a cell phone
> anymore. Do a search on number portability. (I can't remember when it
> first became law, but seems like it was 10 or more years ago.) I can
> change from traditional landline to cell or voip and keep my same number
> AND area code--no matter where I live. My current cell phone is 415 (San
> Francisco region) area code but I live in the 541 (southern Oregon) area
> code. If I call it from a traditional landline phone in the local 541
> area code it is considered a local call. If somebody in the local to 415
> area code calls it from a traditional landline phone it will be long
> distance. But since (almost) nobody has traditional phone service
> without nationwide calling, who cares? I had the option of changing my
> cell number area code when I moved here, but in this area of Oregon
> landline phones have to dial the area code anyway, so I saw no advantage
> to changing it.
>
> -ray


My mother just got her landline number put on her cell. And I don't think
that almost nobody has the traditional landline. I know quite a few people
who do. And many businesses do if their business is all local. Also,
unless they have changed things, phones in military offices will only call
local.

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> In article >,
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>On 6/15/2014 1:45 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> When we bought the house in TX we changed our cell phone number to a
>>> local area code and exchange. Not a problem at all. That was in 2005.
>>>
>>> I bought the Verizon AT Home system which is a wireless home system and
>>> was able to port my AT&T land line phone number to the Verizon at Home.
>>>
>>> Either Verizon is uniquely accommodating or people have just been
>>> getting the wrong information
>>>

>>
>>That is a relatively new thing. Not possible until maybe five years ago.
>>

> Mandated by the FCC in 2003. (With certain exceptions for obsolete telco
> equipment that didn't support the required routing.)


Hmmm... We moved here in 2004 and at that point in time, Sprint told me if
I did not change my number to one with this area code, I would be taxed for
two states. I did not do it immediately as she told me that I needed to do
and I was indeed taxed for two states until I did do it.

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On 6/17/2014 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
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> Well, if you didn't look at the link you wouldn't know. It spells out
> all the hoops you'd need to go through to keep your number. I don't
> know who your carrier is. But the link implies that it is complicated.
> And I do know that Sprint wouldn't allow us to keep our number. But
> that was almost 10 years ago. Or they would allow us but would double
> tax us. And I wasn't willing to pay.


I looked at the link after I posted here. It reads like it was written
in 1998. My carrier is AT&T. Actually, when I first got the phone, in
2005, it was my mother's account. She lived in Denver and passed away
in July 2005. I changed the billing to my address in Iowa and when we
got back home we added two more phone lines to the account - for my
husband and son. Initially, despite our Iowa address and the fact that
we were sitting in an AT&T store in Iowa, we were assigned numbers with
the area code 303 - Denver. At that point I wanted to have a number
with our local area code and it took the better part of a day to
accomplish, but it was done.

We have never paid any kinds of roaming charges and all numbers in the
US are "local."

That link you provided is just bull hockey and not the least bit
relevant in this millennium.

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"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
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> On 6/17/2014 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Well, if you didn't look at the link you wouldn't know. It spells out
>> all the hoops you'd need to go through to keep your number. I don't
>> know who your carrier is. But the link implies that it is complicated.
>> And I do know that Sprint wouldn't allow us to keep our number. But
>> that was almost 10 years ago. Or they would allow us but would double
>> tax us. And I wasn't willing to pay.

>
> I looked at the link after I posted here. It reads like it was written in
> 1998. My carrier is AT&T. Actually, when I first got the phone, in 2005,
> it was my mother's account. She lived in Denver and passed away in July
> 2005. I changed the billing to my address in Iowa and when we got back
> home we added two more phone lines to the account - for my husband and
> son. Initially, despite our Iowa address and the fact that we were
> sitting in an AT&T store in Iowa, we were assigned numbers with the area
> code 303 - Denver. At that point I wanted to have a number with our local
> area code and it took the better part of a day to accomplish, but it was
> done.
>
> We have never paid any kinds of roaming charges and all numbers in the US
> are "local."
>
> That link you provided is just bull hockey and not the least bit relevant
> in this millennium.


I will look later and see if I can find what Sprint says now. I have to
leave for dance so no time now. I do know that I used to pay roaming
charges. I had warned my husband of this. He kept making me call hotels
and make reservations when we were about 5 minutes away. I warned him that
roaming charges apply. When we got the bill for over $500, he freaked. I
think the last time I saw roaming charges, it was maybe 3 years ago? I was
at the dance studio. Their signal there seems a bit iffy. There have been
times recently when I can't get the Internet there either. Says something
about that it thinks I am a bot so it won't work. Then I get home and it
works.

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