"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> We have a land line but we tend to use our cell phones for everything. I
> use mine for calls (free and otherwise), texts (free and otherwise),
> shopping lists, radio when I am on the move, taking photos and videos and
> sending them to family, local weather reports, maintaining emergency
> contact numbers, kindle reader, timer and clock ... and more <g>
>
> Just saying I pay £13.50 per month and worth every penny

Yes, sounds like you have a lot of use and enjoyment of it, I don't. I've
just never had a reason to use that stuff on my trips around town, I make a
paper list for groceries, and the rest like weather I check on the computer
when I return home if need be.

Cheri

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> We are happy with ours because as you can see, we use it a lot. I can't
> imagine the problems recounted here. I just don't encounter them.

Neither do I. ;-)

Cheri

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...

> Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet, and
> Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did not have
> them. And how many people give up things like food so they can pay the
> phone bill.

Well, not really having to anymore since basic cable/ cell phones/internet/
and such are pretty much subsidized these days if you meet certain income
guidelines.

Cheri

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/12/2014 12:27 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> From all that I've ever read from Janet Wilder, especially lately, I
>>> can tell that she's a "survivor" and a strong person. She will keep
>>> on going just fine. Time does heal too (unlike some others have
>>> said). It's not about forgetting, it's about time healing the
>>> immediate hurt, loss, and feeling overwhelmed and often miserable.
>>> Later on you are mostly left with the good memories of the time you
>>> did have together. :-D
>>
>> Janet is a survivor, and she has been through more than most of us will
>> ever have to endure. She is strong and she will do just fine. She is
>> human though, her world was just shattered and she is hurting. Like you
>> said, time does heal.
>
> I hope so.

As they say, "you don't ever get over it, you just get used to it." I find
that to be very true with grief.

Cheri

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/12/2014 5:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>
>>>
>>> I'd rather email than do either.
>>
>> So would I, but when the kids keep texting, what can I do???
>>
>>
>
> Turn the phone off and let them call you. Wife's phone is hardly ever on,
> mine goes off when I get home from work. Typical month for me is about
> three text messages and 80 to 90 minutes of phone time.

Nahh I don't mind I love to hear from them It is always on the
understanding between us all, that we respond when we can No one minds if
it takes a while. Any emergency is by a phone call.

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On 6/12/2014 12:04 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> And I much prefer talking on a phone than email... I don't consider
>> emailing conversing... email is for exchanging brief information and
>> for sending files. And I've never texted/tweeted, never intend to...
>> that's for the illiterates. Actually I prefer conversing face to face
>> but often that's not possible so telephone is next best... I never
>> conversate, it be precisely the same as using the N word.
>
> I don't really like talking on the phone at all. We had a home office
> for our business for 13 years and I was on the phone continuosly with
> customers and I disliked it very much. When we retired, I disconnected
> that phone, and still only talk to two close friends and one family
> member everyday, the rest go to the answering machine, but I always call
> back family members.
>
> Cheri

Understood. I was in a busy office and I helped in every department,
whenever I was free. Our receptionist was from Scotland and people could
understand her, but the other people who would help her out, were from
Vietnam, Cambodia, Mexico City, and they were not as easily understood,
so I tried to catch the phone whenever I could. I am quiet, so it is
rare for me to call anyone, including my children, although I do enjoy
it when people call me.

Becca

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> We have a land line but we tend to use our cell phones for everything. I
>> use mine for calls (free and otherwise), texts (free and otherwise),
>> shopping lists, radio when I am on the move, taking photos and videos and
>> sending them to family, local weather reports, maintaining emergency
>> contact numbers, kindle reader, timer and clock ... and more <g>
>>
>> Just saying I pay £13.50 per month and worth every penny
>
> Yes, sounds like you have a lot of use and enjoyment of it, I don't. I've
> just never had a reason to use that stuff on my trips around town, I make
> a paper list for groceries, and the rest like weather I check on the
> computer when I return home if need be.

Hey, we all have what we like best)

Just the way it should be


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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> We are happy with ours because as you can see, we use it a lot. I can't
>> imagine the problems recounted here. I just don't encounter them.
>
> Neither do I. ;-)

Good Not just me then)


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On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:04:04 PM UTC-7, Ema Nymton wrote:

> Understood. I was in a busy office and I helped in every department,
> whenever I was free. Our receptionist was from Scotland and people could
> understand her, but the other people who would help her out, were from
> Vietnam, Cambodia, Mexico City, and they were not as easily understood,
> so I tried to catch the phone whenever I could.

Americans are somewhat attuned to Scottish burrs and Irish brogues, but
there are some English accents that are impenetrable.

On 6/12/2014 4:24 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:04:04 PM UTC-7, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>> Understood. I was in a busy office and I helped in every department,
>> whenever I was free. Our receptionist was from Scotland and people could
>> understand her, but the other people who would help her out, were from
>> Vietnam, Cambodia, Mexico City, and they were not as easily understood,
>> so I tried to catch the phone whenever I could.
>
> Americans are somewhat attuned to Scottish burrs and Irish brogues, but
> there are some English accents that are impenetrable.

Now and then we see Scottish car/motorcycle races where they
talk to the driver. Hilarious. Not one word is comprehensible
and they talk as fast as they drive.

nancy

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:47:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/12/2014 5:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>
>>>
>>> I'd rather email than do either.
>>
>> So would I, but when the kids keep texting, what can I do???
>>
>>
>
>Turn the phone off and let them call you. Wife's phone is hardly ever
>on, mine goes off when I get home from work. Typical month for me is
>about three text messages and 80 to 90 minutes of phone time.

I've never done texting/tweeting... I don't know how nor do I care to
know... to me it sounds like junk mail, the lowest of the low junk
mail, the kind one tosses in the trash without ever opening. I can't
imagine anyone wanting to communicate via texting/tweeting with family
and friends they actually care about... that's the kind of
communication where one would wish they'd die so they'd no longer be
bothered.

On 6/12/2014 1:16 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/12/2014 12:27 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> From all that I've ever read from Janet Wilder, especially lately, I
>>> can tell that she's a "survivor" and a strong person. She will keep
>>> on going just fine. Time does heal too (unlike some others have
>>> said). It's not about forgetting, it's about time healing the
>>> immediate hurt, loss, and feeling overwhelmed and often miserable.
>>> Later on you are mostly left with the good memories of the time you
>>> did have together. :-D
>>
>> Janet is a survivor, and she has been through more than most of us
>> will ever have to endure. She is strong and she will do just fine. She
>> is human though, her world was just shattered and she is hurting. Like
>> you said, time does heal.
>
> I hope so.
>
>
I *know* so.

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On 6/12/2014 1:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/12/2014 12:27 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> From all that I've ever read from Janet Wilder, especially lately, I
>>>> can tell that she's a "survivor" and a strong person. She will keep
>>>> on going just fine. Time does heal too (unlike some others have
>>>> said). It's not about forgetting, it's about time healing the
>>>> immediate hurt, loss, and feeling overwhelmed and often miserable.
>>>> Later on you are mostly left with the good memories of the time you
>>>> did have together. :-D
>>>
>>> Janet is a survivor, and she has been through more than most of us
>>> will ever have to endure. She is strong and she will do just fine.
>>> She is human though, her world was just shattered and she is hurting.
>>> Like you said, time does heal.
>>
>> I hope so.
>
> As they say, "you don't ever get over it, you just get used to it." I
> find that to be very true with grief.
>
> Cheri

I find that to be true. I will never got over my daughter or my
husband's deaths, but I have learned to live with Cara's death and I'm
supposing I'll learn to live without Barry as well.

There is no choice but to keep on.

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:40:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 6/12/2014 1:24 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:27:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Dropped calls are very common here and they were also common when my husband
> >> was living in NY. All he had was the cell phone and yet most of the time he
> >> could not use it from his housing.
> >
> > The only time I've experienced dropped calls is while in the car
> > (traveling as a passenger) going from cell tower to cell tower with a
> > black hole in-between them. That happens less often these days, but I
> > don't yak on the phone as much as I used to - although I do use the
> > internet.
> >
>
> A lot depends on topography. Here in New England is it supposed to be
> one of the toughest places for coverage as there are so many hills.
> Where I work, Verizon was always better, but at home I could not get a
> signal. ATT was the opposite. Now, with added towers both are better,
> but still have a few dead spots. More towers are planned too.

Oh, yes - I do know that ATT rules in some places... for instance
where my mother lived between Corvallis (Oregon) and the West Coast.
ATT was the only cell phone provider, if you were with any other cell
phone provider (including "local") - "Tough Ruck" (which is something
we said in the '80s).

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:29:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>
> Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet, and
> Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did not
> have them. And how many people give up things like food so they can pay
> the phone bill.

IMO - if they are giving anything up foodwise, the aren't eating out
as much.

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:53:41 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet, and
> > Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did not have
> > them. And how many people give up things like food so they can pay the
> > phone bill.
>
> Well, not really having to anymore since basic cable/ cell phones/internet/
> and such are pretty much subsidized these days if you meet certain income
> guidelines.
>
Dang! I didn't know. So I have to meet a "lower level" criteria in
order to qualify for that kind of public assistance?

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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:47:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 6/12/2014 5:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather email than do either.
>>>
>>> So would I, but when the kids keep texting, what can I do???
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Turn the phone off and let them call you. Wife's phone is hardly ever
>>on, mine goes off when I get home from work. Typical month for me is
>>about three text messages and 80 to 90 minutes of phone time.
>
> I've never done texting/tweeting... I don't know how nor do I care to
> know... to me it sounds like junk mail, the lowest of the low junk
> mail, the kind one tosses in the trash without ever opening. I can't
> imagine anyone wanting to communicate via texting/tweeting with family
> and friends they actually care about... that's the kind of
> communication where one would wish they'd die so they'd no longer be
> bothered.

Texting is quickly than email, assuming that a person has their phone with
them. If I need to reach Angela while she is in school, I can only send a
text. She can't really talk while in school. It is usually done for
something more like of an emergency nature or when you need to convey
something right away. Like if I have to tell her that I will be picking her
up and not to take the bus. It isn't something I would do to just converse
back and forth.

These days most of the businesses I deal with use texts. They let me know
that way that I have an upcoming appointment. All you have to do do is
reply as requested so they know that you got the message. This is probably
better for them than a phone message. They might leave me a message but...
I might not get it. This way they know for sure. And if I somehow miss the
text, they will send another each day until I reply.

A lot of stores are doing promotions via text. Target is one. Unless you
sign up, you won't get the deals.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:40:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 6/12/2014 1:24 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:27:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dropped calls are very common here and they were also common when my
>> >> husband
>> >> was living in NY. All he had was the cell phone and yet most of the
>> >> time he
>> >> could not use it from his housing.
>> >
>> > The only time I've experienced dropped calls is while in the car
>> > (traveling as a passenger) going from cell tower to cell tower with a
>> > black hole in-between them. That happens less often these days, but I
>> > don't yak on the phone as much as I used to - although I do use the
>> > internet.
>> >
>>
>> A lot depends on topography. Here in New England is it supposed to be
>> one of the toughest places for coverage as there are so many hills.
>> Where I work, Verizon was always better, but at home I could not get a
>> signal. ATT was the opposite. Now, with added towers both are better,
>> but still have a few dead spots. More towers are planned too.
>
> Oh, yes - I do know that ATT rules in some places... for instance
> where my mother lived between Corvallis (Oregon) and the West Coast.
> ATT was the only cell phone provider, if you were with any other cell
> phone provider (including "local") - "Tough Ruck" (which is something
> we said in the '80s).
>
We got Sprint some years ago because they were the only carrier that would
allow us to move from one state to another and keep our account. We did
have to get a new phone number for a time when we did move. For some reason
they allowed my husband to keep the number here when he moved to NY, perhaps
because I was here. But when we moved from NY to here, they said unless we
changed the number (we only had one phone then), we had to change it or pay
taxes to both states. They also allowed him this number while in CA but...
He would be there for 3 weeks and back here for one much of the time.

The other carriers said that once we gave up our residence, we had to turn
our phone in to them and close out our account. They would allow us to get
a new account once we moved. That would leave us with no phone to use cross
country. Yeah, we could have gotten a Trac Phone or something but that
would be a PITA. This is probably why Sprint stores are located on military
bases. They are willing to work with people. Other phone companies are
not.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:29:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>
>> Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet, and
>> Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did not
>> have them. And how many people give up things like food so they can pay
>> the phone bill.
>
> IMO - if they are giving anything up foodwise, the aren't eating out
> as much.
>
I used to have a friend with IMO screwed up priorities. I say used to
because I just couldn't take any more of her antics. Her phone would get
shut off, in later years, her Internet. She had cars repossessed, got
evicted for non-payment of rent, lights shut off, etc. And chronically.

The day I realized how bad the problem was, was the day she asked to borrow
$50 so she could buy a dress for a formal party we were going to. She often
borrowed money from me and almost always paid it back to me the next day.
Not sure how she did that and not sure I want to know. Anyway... As she
was hanging the dress in her overstuffed closet, I spotted a very similar
dress hanging there. I pointed that out to her and she said something like,
"I know..." And then began showing me her shoes! She had dozens of pairs,
still in their boxes, many of them so similar that they could be identical.

Then there were the bed in the bag sets (comforters, shams, bedskirt, etc.).
She had many of them still in the packages. Her room was so stuffed that
you could barely walk in it. She also collected things like those Christmas
Bears that some stores put out each year. I also noticed that she was
buying kitchen stuff that she didn't need. Like the gold colored flatware.
One fork was missing so she couldn't pass up that deal! She never used
these things. Not ever. She was buying them for some day in the future.

I don't know exactly what I said to her then but something must have gotten
through to her. She had me drive her back to the store (she had a broken
leg so I was driving her everywhere) to return the dress. She gave me my
money back. Then we went out to dinner. Note that I said that we went out.

Did she have food in the house? Generally no unless someone brought her
something or she had leftovers from a meal out. Did she have coffee?
Always. Cigarettes? Always. Did she wear a gold chain? Always. In fact
she was hospitalized once due to lack of food and too much caffeine. She
had passed out at work. When she did eat at work, it was almost always the
apple dumpling or the bread pudding. Some of us had surmised that she might
be eating these things due to her bad teeth. They were soft. I don't know
if she had a dentist phobia or what but... After she quit working for the
store she got a job for a brief period of time at a place that makes
dentures. Another friend ran into her and said that she looked much better
now that she had gotten her dentures.

She was also big into jewelry. She never wore really flashy stuff but she
felt that if she wore a real gold chain, people would think more highly of
her. She bought herself a new chain (unless she could manage to get one as
a gift) every month or so.

Behind her back we were kind of saying... Pay your bills, fix your teeth,
eat some proper food and then maybe you'll get more respect!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:53:41 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet, and
>> > Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did not
>> > have
>> > them. And how many people give up things like food so they can pay the
>> > phone bill.
>>
>> Well, not really having to anymore since basic cable/ cell
>> phones/internet/
>> and such are pretty much subsidized these days if you meet certain income
>> guidelines.
>>
> Dang! I didn't know. So I have to meet a "lower level" criteria in
> order to qualify for that kind of public assistance?

I have no idea except the PSA's say that you have to meet certain income
guidelines to qualify. If you think you do, check it out, couldn't hurt.

Cheri

Cheri

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 21:08:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:29:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet, and
>>>> Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did not
>>>> have them. And how many people give up things like food so they can
>>>> pay
>>>> the phone bill.
>>>
>>> IMO - if they are giving anything up foodwise, the aren't eating out
>>> as much.
>>>
>> I used to have a friend with IMO screwed up priorities....
>
> [snip 60 lines of blabbering]
>
> blah blah blah.
>
> I thought you were here to talk about food and cooking.
>
There was food mentioned in there several times. You just didn't read it!

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:53:41 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> > Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet, and
>>> > Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did not
>>> > have
>>> > them. And how many people give up things like food so they can pay
>>> > the
>>> > phone bill.
>>>
>>> Well, not really having to anymore since basic cable/ cell
>>> phones/internet/
>>> and such are pretty much subsidized these days if you meet certain
>>> income
>>> guidelines.
>>>
>> Dang! I didn't know. So I have to meet a "lower level" criteria in
>> order to qualify for that kind of public assistance?
>
> I have no idea except the PSA's say that you have to meet certain income
> guidelines to qualify. If you think you do, check it out, couldn't hurt.

What are PSA's?

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 6/12/2014 1:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/12/2014 12:27 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From all that I've ever read from Janet Wilder, especially lately, I
>>>>> can tell that she's a "survivor" and a strong person. She will keep
>>>>> on going just fine. Time does heal too (unlike some others have
>>>>> said). It's not about forgetting, it's about time healing the
>>>>> immediate hurt, loss, and feeling overwhelmed and often miserable.
>>>>> Later on you are mostly left with the good memories of the time you
>>>>> did have together. :-D
>>>>
>>>> Janet is a survivor, and she has been through more than most of us
>>>> will ever have to endure. She is strong and she will do just fine.
>>>> She is human though, her world was just shattered and she is hurting.
>>>> Like you said, time does heal.
>>>
>>> I hope so.
>>
>> As they say, "you don't ever get over it, you just get used to it." I
>> find that to be very true with grief.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I find that to be true. I will never got over my daughter or my husband's
> deaths, but I have learned to live with Cara's death and I'm supposing
> I'll learn to live without Barry as well.
>
> There is no choice but to keep on.

Yes.

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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 6/12/2014 1:16 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/12/2014 12:27 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> From all that I've ever read from Janet Wilder, especially lately, I
>>>> can tell that she's a "survivor" and a strong person. She will keep
>>>> on going just fine. Time does heal too (unlike some others have
>>>> said). It's not about forgetting, it's about time healing the
>>>> immediate hurt, loss, and feeling overwhelmed and often miserable.
>>>> Later on you are mostly left with the good memories of the time you
>>>> did have together. :-D
>>>
>>> Janet is a survivor, and she has been through more than most of us
>>> will ever have to endure. She is strong and she will do just fine. She
>>> is human though, her world was just shattered and she is hurting. Like
>>> you said, time does heal.
>>
>> I hope so.
>>
>>
> I *know* so.

Thank you for that!!! It is always something that concerns me which is why
am afraid of it happening to me.


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On 6/12/2014 7:02 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 6/12/2014 1:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/12/2014 12:27 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From all that I've ever read from Janet Wilder, especially lately, I
>>>>> can tell that she's a "survivor" and a strong person. She will keep
>>>>> on going just fine. Time does heal too (unlike some others have
>>>>> said). It's not about forgetting, it's about time healing the
>>>>> immediate hurt, loss, and feeling overwhelmed and often miserable.
>>>>> Later on you are mostly left with the good memories of the time you
>>>>> did have together. :-D
>>>>
>>>> Janet is a survivor, and she has been through more than most of us
>>>> will ever have to endure. She is strong and she will do just fine.
>>>> She is human though, her world was just shattered and she is hurting.
>>>> Like you said, time does heal.
>>>
>>> I hope so.
>>
>> As they say, "you don't ever get over it, you just get used to it." I
>> find that to be very true with grief.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I find that to be true. I will never got over my daughter or my
> husband's deaths, but I have learned to live with Cara's death and I'm
> supposing I'll learn to live without Barry as well.
>
> There is no choice but to keep on.

Too true! It is what it is, and nothing said changes that :/

Sky

On 6/12/2014 7:02 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 6/12/2014 1:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>> I hope so.
>>
>> As they say, "you don't ever get over it, you just get used to it." I
>> find that to be very true with grief.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I find that to be true. I will never got over my daughter or my
> husband's deaths, but I have learned to live with Cara's death and I'm
> supposing I'll learn to live without Barry as well.
>
> There is no choice but to keep on.

Yeah, "it is what it is" and that's all there is to it. Life is never
fair (never has been, either!) and It goes on, as It always does.
Until, that is, the next "big bang" comes around and changes every thing
every one knows ! :> But, that won't happen in the near future of any
one's lifetime =|8-) Knock on wood!

Sky

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> What are PSA's?

Public Service Announcements, like the no smoking ads, the free medication
hotline, etc.

Cheri

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:49:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:40:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/12/2014 1:24 AM, sf wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:27:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Dropped calls are very common here and they were also common when my
> >> >> husband
> >> >> was living in NY. All he had was the cell phone and yet most of the
> >> >> time he
> >> >> could not use it from his housing.
> >> >
> >> > The only time I've experienced dropped calls is while in the car
> >> > (traveling as a passenger) going from cell tower to cell tower with a
> >> > black hole in-between them. That happens less often these days, but I
> >> > don't yak on the phone as much as I used to - although I do use the
> >> > internet.
> >> >
> >>
> >> A lot depends on topography. Here in New England is it supposed to be
> >> one of the toughest places for coverage as there are so many hills.
> >> Where I work, Verizon was always better, but at home I could not get a
> >> signal. ATT was the opposite. Now, with added towers both are better,
> >> but still have a few dead spots. More towers are planned too.
> >
> > Oh, yes - I do know that ATT rules in some places... for instance
> > where my mother lived between Corvallis (Oregon) and the West Coast.
> > ATT was the only cell phone provider, if you were with any other cell
> > phone provider (including "local") - "Tough Ruck" (which is something
> > we said in the '80s).
> >
> We got Sprint some years ago because they were the only carrier that would
> allow us to move from one state to another and keep our account. We did
> have to get a new phone number for a time when we did move. For some reason
> they allowed my husband to keep the number here when he moved to NY, perhaps
> because I was here. But when we moved from NY to here, they said unless we
> changed the number (we only had one phone then), we had to change it or pay
> taxes to both states. They also allowed him this number while in CA but...
> He would be there for 3 weeks and back here for one much of the time.
>
> The other carriers said that once we gave up our residence, we had to turn
> our phone in to them and close out our account. They would allow us to get
> a new account once we moved. That would leave us with no phone to use cross
> country. Yeah, we could have gotten a Trac Phone or something but that
> would be a PITA. This is probably why Sprint stores are located on military
> bases. They are willing to work with people. Other phone companies are
> not.

People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
when they change carriers, for years at this point.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:49:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:40:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 6/12/2014 1:24 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:27:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dropped calls are very common here and they were also common when
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> husband
>> >> >> was living in NY. All he had was the cell phone and yet most of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> time he
>> >> >> could not use it from his housing.
>> >> >
>> >> > The only time I've experienced dropped calls is while in the car
>> >> > (traveling as a passenger) going from cell tower to cell tower with
>> >> > a
>> >> > black hole in-between them. That happens less often these days, but
>> >> > I
>> >> > don't yak on the phone as much as I used to - although I do use the
>> >> > internet.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> A lot depends on topography. Here in New England is it supposed to be
>> >> one of the toughest places for coverage as there are so many hills.
>> >> Where I work, Verizon was always better, but at home I could not get a
>> >> signal. ATT was the opposite. Now, with added towers both are
>> >> better,
>> >> but still have a few dead spots. More towers are planned too.
>> >
>> > Oh, yes - I do know that ATT rules in some places... for instance
>> > where my mother lived between Corvallis (Oregon) and the West Coast.
>> > ATT was the only cell phone provider, if you were with any other cell
>> > phone provider (including "local") - "Tough Ruck" (which is something
>> > we said in the '80s).
>> >
>> We got Sprint some years ago because they were the only carrier that
>> would
>> allow us to move from one state to another and keep our account. We did
>> have to get a new phone number for a time when we did move. For some
>> reason
>> they allowed my husband to keep the number here when he moved to NY,
>> perhaps
>> because I was here. But when we moved from NY to here, they said unless
>> we
>> changed the number (we only had one phone then), we had to change it or
>> pay
>> taxes to both states. They also allowed him this number while in CA
>> but...
>> He would be there for 3 weeks and back here for one much of the time.
>>
>> The other carriers said that once we gave up our residence, we had to
>> turn
>> our phone in to them and close out our account. They would allow us to
>> get
>> a new account once we moved. That would leave us with no phone to use
>> cross
>> country. Yeah, we could have gotten a Trac Phone or something but that
>> would be a PITA. This is probably why Sprint stores are located on
>> military
>> bases. They are willing to work with people. Other phone companies are
>> not.
>
> People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
> when they change carriers, for years at this point.

I simply cannot imagine having to give your phones to any company. We buy
our own and use the current sim and contract with them. We have lived in
many parts of UK with the same phone, contracts and sim cards. When we
travel to Germany we still use the same thing.

I simply don't understand that! Do your companies lend phones out?

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:02:22 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...

> >
> > People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
> > when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>
> I simply cannot imagine having to give your phones to any company. We buy
> our own and use the current sim and contract with them. We have lived in
> many parts of UK with the same phone, contracts and sim cards. When we
> travel to Germany we still use the same thing.
>
> I simply don't understand that! Do your companies lend phones out?

Over here phones are sold with service contracts and often discarded
with after two years. There are all sorts of variations on the theme,
I bought my phone and do a month to month contract - but most of the
people I know are on two year plans. Our phones are usually locked
into one of two systems CDMA and GSM. Unlocked phones are more
expensive and pretty much unnecessary unless we travel out of the
country (Canada doesn't count). If I had a cell phone with a SIM card
(which I don't), I'd have to surreptitiously unlock it to be able to
switch out SIM cards for travel. We just bring the netbook and use
that when we need to confirm reservations and Skype if we want to talk
to family.

--
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"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:02:22 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>> >
>> > People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
>> > when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>>
>> I simply cannot imagine having to give your phones to any company. We
>> buy
>> our own and use the current sim and contract with them. We have lived in
>> many parts of UK with the same phone, contracts and sim cards. When we
>> travel to Germany we still use the same thing.
>>
>> I simply don't understand that! Do your companies lend phones out?
>
> Over here phones are sold with service contracts and often discarded
> with after two years. There are all sorts of variations on the theme,
> I bought my phone and do a month to month contract - but most of the
> people I know are on two year plans. Our phones are usually locked
> into one of two systems CDMA and GSM. Unlocked phones are more
> expensive and pretty much unnecessary unless we travel out of the
> country (Canada doesn't count). If I had a cell phone with a SIM card
> (which I don't), I'd have to surreptitiously unlock it to be able to
> switch out SIM cards for travel. We just bring the netbook and use
> that when we need to confirm reservations and Skype if we want to talk
> to family.

In every shopping mall here there is at least one stall able to unlock
phones.

Supermarkets sell 'pay as you go' phones. These are standard phones but not
locked to any provider or contract. you can put in any sim you like and buy
your choice of call time and texts, then top up your usage time when you
wish. I buy those phones and put in the sim for my contract. Much cheaper
than getting a new phone and new contract which costs a lot to pay for the
phone and you are stuck with that contract for a stated amount of time.
Much cheaper to buy a phone. I have had the same contract now for years and
have a really good deal. I can buy the phone I like and am not stuck with
the inflated costs to pay for it.


--
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On 6/12/2014 10:49 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:40:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/12/2014 1:24 AM, sf wrote:
>>> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:27:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dropped calls are very common here and they were also common when
>>> my >> husband
>>> >> was living in NY. All he had was the cell phone and yet most of
>>> the >> time he
>>> >> could not use it from his housing.
>>> >
>>> > The only time I've experienced dropped calls is while in the car
>>> > (traveling as a passenger) going from cell tower to cell tower with a
>>> > black hole in-between them. That happens less often these days, but I
>>> > don't yak on the phone as much as I used to - although I do use the
>>> > internet.
>>> >
>>>
>>> A lot depends on topography. Here in New England is it supposed to be
>>> one of the toughest places for coverage as there are so many hills.
>>> Where I work, Verizon was always better, but at home I could not get a
>>> signal. ATT was the opposite. Now, with added towers both are better,
>>> but still have a few dead spots. More towers are planned too.
>>
>> Oh, yes - I do know that ATT rules in some places... for instance
>> where my mother lived between Corvallis (Oregon) and the West Coast.
>> ATT was the only cell phone provider, if you were with any other cell
>> phone provider (including "local") - "Tough Ruck" (which is something
>> we said in the '80s).
>>
> We got Sprint some years ago because they were the only carrier that
> would allow us to move from one state to another and keep our account.
> We did have to get a new phone number for a time when we did move. For
> some reason they allowed my husband to keep the number here when he
> moved to NY, perhaps because I was here. But when we moved from NY to
> here, they said unless we changed the number (we only had one phone
> then), we had to change it or pay taxes to both states. They also
> allowed him this number while in CA but... He would be there for 3 weeks
> and back here for one much of the time.
>
> The other carriers said that once we gave up our residence, we had to
> turn our phone in to them and close out our account. They would allow
> us to get a new account once we moved. That would leave us with no
> phone to use cross country. Yeah, we could have gotten a Trac Phone or
> something but that would be a PITA. This is probably why Sprint stores
> are located on military bases. They are willing to work with people.
> Other phone companies are not.

I lived in an RV for 9 years. Between 1996 and 2000 we had a 3 watt bag
phone on Bell Atlantic Mobile who later became Verizon. In 2000 we
bought a small cell phone in California even though our mailing address
was in Texas. We traveled all over the US with the Verizon phone. Most
of my full-timing RV friends also had cell phones. None of us lived in
one place, we all had cell phones.

You must not have explained your situation properly.

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On 6/13/2014 2:39 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:53:41 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> > Amazing how much we, as a nation, spend on Cable/Sat TV, Internet,
>>>> and
>>>> > Phones. I wonder if our lives would be better or worse if we did
>>>> not > have
>>>> > them. And how many people give up things like food so they can
>>>> pay > the
>>>> > phone bill.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really having to anymore since basic cable/ cell
>>>> phones/internet/
>>>> and such are pretty much subsidized these days if you meet certain
>>>> income
>>>> guidelines.
>>>>
>>> Dang! I didn't know. So I have to meet a "lower level" criteria in
>>> order to qualify for that kind of public assistance?
>>
>> I have no idea except the PSA's say that you have to meet certain
>> income guidelines to qualify. If you think you do, check it out,
>> couldn't hurt.
>
> What are PSA's?
Public Service Announcements

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On 6/13/2014 12:38 PM, sf wrote:
If I had a cell phone with a SIM card
> (which I don't), I'd have to surreptitiously unlock it to be able to
> switch out SIM cards for travel. We just bring the netbook and use
> that when we need to confirm reservations and Skype if we want to talk
> to family.
>

I have had a couple of Verizon system global capable phones with SIM
cards and they will unlock the phone if you ask nicely in the store.
That way , if you are spending a lot of time in a foreign country, you
can buy an inexpensive SIM and substitute it.

I bring the netbook, too. The last cruise I only took the 7" tablet but
when I reread my journal notes, they were hard to decipher. The
keyboard was just too small.

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On 6/13/2014 1:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> I bring the netbook, too. The last cruise I only took the 7" tablet but
> when I reread my journal notes, they were hard to decipher. The
> keyboard was just too small.

We bought a small Acer netbook to take on trips and I hated it. Now, I
ditched my PC and bought a big laptop and I bring it. All my business
records are in it, as well as correspondence. When I travel, I can
pretty much work from any place where I have WiFi access.

Nothing better than sitting in a bar in Cozumel selling cruises to
people back in the states. <vbg>

George L

On 6/13/2014 1:38 PM, sf wrote:

> If I had a cell phone with a SIM card
> (which I don't), I'd have to surreptitiously unlock it to be able to
> switch out SIM cards for travel. We just bring the netbook and use
> that when we need to confirm reservations and Skype if we want to talk
> to family.
>
It doesn't need to be surreptitious - back when we had ATT, I asked them
for the unlock codes so we could use our new ATT-branded phones on
Orange in the UK. It took a week or so, but they emailed the codes to me
(at no charge), and it took no more than a minute to do the unlock.

We bought our current phones unlocked, from Google - they will accept
both our US (T-Mobile) SIMs, and our UK (Orange/EE) ones.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> What are PSA's?
>
> Public Service Announcements, like the no smoking ads, the free medication
> hotline, etc.

Hmmm... Haven't seen any of those.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:49:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:40:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 6/12/2014 1:24 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:27:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dropped calls are very common here and they were also common when
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> husband
>> >> >> was living in NY. All he had was the cell phone and yet most of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> time he
>> >> >> could not use it from his housing.
>> >> >
>> >> > The only time I've experienced dropped calls is while in the car
>> >> > (traveling as a passenger) going from cell tower to cell tower with
>> >> > a
>> >> > black hole in-between them. That happens less often these days, but
>> >> > I
>> >> > don't yak on the phone as much as I used to - although I do use the
>> >> > internet.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> A lot depends on topography. Here in New England is it supposed to be
>> >> one of the toughest places for coverage as there are so many hills.
>> >> Where I work, Verizon was always better, but at home I could not get a
>> >> signal. ATT was the opposite. Now, with added towers both are
>> >> better,
>> >> but still have a few dead spots. More towers are planned too.
>> >
>> > Oh, yes - I do know that ATT rules in some places... for instance
>> > where my mother lived between Corvallis (Oregon) and the West Coast.
>> > ATT was the only cell phone provider, if you were with any other cell
>> > phone provider (including "local") - "Tough Ruck" (which is something
>> > we said in the '80s).
>> >
>> We got Sprint some years ago because they were the only carrier that
>> would
>> allow us to move from one state to another and keep our account. We did
>> have to get a new phone number for a time when we did move. For some
>> reason
>> they allowed my husband to keep the number here when he moved to NY,
>> perhaps
>> because I was here. But when we moved from NY to here, they said unless
>> we
>> changed the number (we only had one phone then), we had to change it or
>> pay
>> taxes to both states. They also allowed him this number while in CA
>> but...
>> He would be there for 3 weeks and back here for one much of the time.
>>
>> The other carriers said that once we gave up our residence, we had to
>> turn
>> our phone in to them and close out our account. They would allow us to
>> get
>> a new account once we moved. That would leave us with no phone to use
>> cross
>> country. Yeah, we could have gotten a Trac Phone or something but that
>> would be a PITA. This is probably why Sprint stores are located on
>> military
>> bases. They are willing to work with people. Other phone companies are
>> not.
>
> People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
> when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>
I doubt that if they are moving to another state. It would behoove the
person to get a local number. Not all people have unlimited long distance.

On Friday, June 13, 2014 2:31:51 PM UTC-7, S Viemeister wrote:

>
> We bought our current phones unlocked, from Google - they will accept
> both our US (T-Mobile) SIMs, and our UK (Orange/EE) ones.

T-Mobile and UK Orange are both GSM networks, if I recall correctly, making
changing networks a simple matter of switching SIMs.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:49:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:40:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 6/12/2014 1:24 AM, sf wrote:
>>> >> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:27:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Dropped calls are very common here and they were also common when
>>> >> >> my
>>> >> >> husband
>>> >> >> was living in NY. All he had was the cell phone and yet most of
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> time he
>>> >> >> could not use it from his housing.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The only time I've experienced dropped calls is while in the car
>>> >> > (traveling as a passenger) going from cell tower to cell tower with
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > black hole in-between them. That happens less often these days,
>>> >> > but
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > don't yak on the phone as much as I used to - although I do use the
>>> >> > internet.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> A lot depends on topography. Here in New England is it supposed to
>>> >> be
>>> >> one of the toughest places for coverage as there are so many hills.
>>> >> Where I work, Verizon was always better, but at home I could not get
>>> >> a
>>> >> signal. ATT was the opposite. Now, with added towers both are
>>> >> better,
>>> >> but still have a few dead spots. More towers are planned too.
>>> >
>>> > Oh, yes - I do know that ATT rules in some places... for instance
>>> > where my mother lived between Corvallis (Oregon) and the West Coast.
>>> > ATT was the only cell phone provider, if you were with any other cell
>>> > phone provider (including "local") - "Tough Ruck" (which is something
>>> > we said in the '80s).
>>> >
>>> We got Sprint some years ago because they were the only carrier that
>>> would
>>> allow us to move from one state to another and keep our account. We did
>>> have to get a new phone number for a time when we did move. For some
>>> reason
>>> they allowed my husband to keep the number here when he moved to NY,
>>> perhaps
>>> because I was here. But when we moved from NY to here, they said unless
>>> we
>>> changed the number (we only had one phone then), we had to change it or
>>> pay
>>> taxes to both states. They also allowed him this number while in CA
>>> but...
>>> He would be there for 3 weeks and back here for one much of the time.
>>>
>>> The other carriers said that once we gave up our residence, we had to
>>> turn
>>> our phone in to them and close out our account. They would allow us to
>>> get
>>> a new account once we moved. That would leave us with no phone to use
>>> cross
>>> country. Yeah, we could have gotten a Trac Phone or something but that
>>> would be a PITA. This is probably why Sprint stores are located on
>>> military
>>> bases. They are willing to work with people. Other phone companies are
>>> not.
>>
>> People have been able to take their cell phone numbers with them, even
>> when they change carriers, for years at this point.
>
> I simply cannot imagine having to give your phones to any company. We buy
> our own and use the current sim and contract with them. We have lived in
> many parts of UK with the same phone, contracts and sim cards. When we
> travel to Germany we still use the same thing.
>
> I simply don't understand that! Do your companies lend phones out?

Not now. This was many years ago. We had been trying to get a cell phone
ever since we got married. That was 19 years ago. Back then, nobody would
allow us to get a cell phone from them because we would no longer have an
address. When you have to make a move like that, you give up your one
address and don't have another address until you check in at your new place.

The problem (or so we were told) was that we were honest about what we were
going to do. Other people managed to have a phone by not telling the phone
company that they'd be moving. We did finally get Sprint to do this and
they mailed a phone to my MIL and FIL's house in PA. But at that point in
time, there was some sort of problem. Not sure what it was exactly but they
couldn't get our phone to work. They had us send the phone back and they
sent another. It wouldn't work either. So they had us send that back and
canceled our policy. They either refunded money that was paid or simply did
not charge us. I can't remember what now.

But the reason why we told them we were moving was because we wanted to make
sure that we could get cell phone coverage with that carrier in the place
where we were moving to. That wasn't always possible. Cell phones were
still pretty new in those days and I'll bet that a lot of those carriers
that we spoke to are not even in business any more.

I also remember several companies that we talked to who said if we were to
move out of state, we would have to turn the phone back in and cancel our
policy. If there were any Trac type phones available in those days, we
didn't know about them. Back then, cell phones were still pretty uncommon.

These days you do buy your phone. You can get one anywhere, even a used
one.

But I can remember when the landline phones were not owned. We had phone
stores. We'd go out there, pick out the phone that we wanted and I think
they delivered it to us later. When I got my first apartment, the phones
were that way. I had one phone and it was in the kitchen. No answering
machine.

I think it was not long after that they stopped doing that and we could
purchase our own phones. I think they may have merely given the phones to
us that we already had. I could be wrong on that. It is so many years ago
now, I can't remember.

I do remember that at about that point in time, they came out with flip
phones. People loved them because they were small and lightweight but the
sound quality was very poor.