After having guests staying here for 10 days I had a couple days to
demolish the old kitchen. I started off as soon as the guests left for
the airport at noon on Thursday. Yesterday I demolished the pantry. I
am still cursing the guy who used 6" spikes to build the frame. It took
almost an hour to remove one old 2x4 that was spiked into the ceiling. I
had to bang a flat bar into the end and rip layers off it about a foot
at a time to expose the heads of the spikes and then pull them out
without the heads peeling back. Today I removed the uppers and lowers
along one wall. I am down to one long counter with the sink. I will pull
that one out tomorrow after breakfast.

We will have supper at a restaurant tomorrow and expect the cabinet
installers mid morning. They should be done by noon on Tuesday. Hope
so. My wife has ab appointment with an eye surgeon that is supposed to
take 3-4 hours and she will have her eyes so widely dilated she won't be
able to drive.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> After having guests staying here for 10 days I had a couple days to
> demolish the old kitchen. I started off as soon as the guests left for the
> airport at noon on Thursday. Yesterday I demolished the pantry. I am
> still cursing the guy who used 6" spikes to build the frame. It took
> almost an hour to remove one old 2x4 that was spiked into the ceiling. I
> had to bang a flat bar into the end and rip layers off it about a foot at
> a time to expose the heads of the spikes and then pull them out without
> the heads peeling back.

I have used wedges to do a similar task in an easier manner.

On Saturday, June 7, 2014 6:02:23 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> After having guests staying here for 10 days I had a couple days to
>
> demolish the old kitchen. I started off as soon as the guests left for
>
> the airport at noon on Thursday. Yesterday I demolished the pantry. I
>
> am still cursing the guy who used 6" spikes to build the frame. It took
>
> almost an hour to remove one old 2x4 that was spiked into the ceiling. I
>
> had to bang a flat bar into the end and rip layers off it about a foot
>
> at a time to expose the heads of the spikes and then pull them out
>
> without the heads peeling back. Today I removed the uppers and lowers
>
> along one wall. I am down to one long counter with the sink. I will pull
>
> that one out tomorrow after breakfast.
>
>
>
> We will have supper at a restaurant tomorrow and expect the cabinet
>
> installers mid morning. They should be done by noon on Tuesday. Hope
>
> so. My wife has ab appointment with an eye surgeon that is supposed to
>
> take 3-4 hours and she will have her eyes so widely dilated she won't be
>
> able to drive.

Oh bullshit. She's letting her hair down and doing acid behind your back.

On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:02:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> After having guests staying here for 10 days I had a couple days to
>demolish the old kitchen. I started off as soon as the guests left for
>the airport at noon on Thursday. Yesterday I demolished the pantry. I
>am still cursing the guy who used 6" spikes to build the frame. It took
>almost an hour to remove one old 2x4 that was spiked into the ceiling. I
>had to bang a flat bar into the end and rip layers off it about a foot
>at a time to expose the heads of the spikes and then pull them out
>without the heads peeling back. Today I removed the uppers and lowers
>along one wall. I am down to one long counter with the sink. I will pull
>that one out tomorrow after breakfast.



2 1/2 days? That is a pretty fast remodel. Hope it goes well.

On 6/7/2014 7:30 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> Oh bullshit. She's letting her hair down and doing acid behind your back.
Shut up Nazi, no one wants to hear one more word from you.


>

"I admire the Zell character in 'Marathon Man.' Except for the end part
where he gets humiliated and has to eat his diamonds.
I'm a Nazi.
Really."

On 2014-06-08 00:21, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:02:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> After having guests staying here for 10 days I had a couple days to
>> demolish the old kitchen. I started off as soon as the guests left for
>> the airport at noon on Thursday. Yesterday I demolished the pantry. I
>> am still cursing the guy who used 6" spikes to build the frame. It took
>> almost an hour to remove one old 2x4 that was spiked into the ceiling. I
>> had to bang a flat bar into the end and rip layers off it about a foot
>> at a time to expose the heads of the spikes and then pull them out
>> without the heads peeling back. Today I removed the uppers and lowers
>> along one wall. I am down to one long counter with the sink. I will pull
>> that one out tomorrow after breakfast.,
>
>
>
> 2 1/2 days? That is a pretty fast remodel. Hope it goes well.
>
That is the demolition part. I broke it down into reasonably achieveable
units. Emptied the cupboards Thursday. Emptied the pantry and tore it
apart the Friday. Saturday I removed the upper and lower cabinets on
the north wall. Today I removed the sink and ripped out that last (10
foot) counter and lower cabinets.

The installers are coming tomorrow. I am hoping that they are as fast as
the last guys were. The last kitchen reno guys were done in less than 6
hours. This is a bigger job because the pantry is being replaced.

One major snag is that I had not realized my wife has an appointment
with an eye surgeon and will have to be driven home.
Meanwhile... her car blew a brake line the other day so I have to get
it over to the shop tomorrow.

On 6/8/2014 9:08 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> The installers are coming tomorrow. I am hoping that they are as fast as
> the last guys were. The last kitchen reno guys were done in less than 6
> hours. This is a bigger job because the pantry is being replaced.
>
> One major snag is that I had not realized my wife has an appointment
> with an eye surgeon and will have to be driven home.
> Meanwhile... her car blew a brake line the other day so I have to get
> it over to the shop tomorrow.

The best laid plans...

Good luck on the reno and of course for your wife.

Jill

On 6/8/2014 9:08 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> That is the demolition part. I broke it down into reasonably achieveable
> units. Emptied the cupboards Thursday. Emptied the pantry and tore it
> apart the Friday. Saturday I removed the upper and lower cabinets on
> the north wall. Today I removed the sink and ripped out that last (10
> foot) counter and lower cabinets.

I was terribly disappointed that I had to leave for work and
the kitchen guy got to do the demo. I would have happily
taken a sledge hammer to those cabinets.

nancy

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:50:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 6/8/2014 9:08 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > That is the demolition part. I broke it down into reasonably achieveable
> > units. Emptied the cupboards Thursday. Emptied the pantry and tore it
> > apart the Friday. Saturday I removed the upper and lower cabinets on
> > the north wall. Today I removed the sink and ripped out that last (10
> > foot) counter and lower cabinets.
>
> I was terribly disappointed that I had to leave for work and
> the kitchen guy got to do the demo. I would have happily
> taken a sledge hammer to those cabinets.
>
That's for television and done by people you shouldn't have working
for you anyway. In the demos I've watched, things like cabinets come
out in one piece. They don't even take sledge hammers to lath &
plaster walls.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 6/9/2014 1:00 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:50:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I was terribly disappointed that I had to leave for work and
>> the kitchen guy got to do the demo. I would have happily
>> taken a sledge hammer to those cabinets.
>>
> That's for television and done by people you shouldn't have working
> for you anyway. In the demos I've watched, things like cabinets come
> out in one piece.

Not in my house. They were plywood cabinets built in place.
And I would have been happy to hit them with a sledge hammer.

nancy

On 2014-06-09 1:00 PM, sf wrote:

>> I was terribly disappointed that I had to leave for work and
>> the kitchen guy got to do the demo. I would have happily
>> taken a sledge hammer to those cabinets.
>>
> That's for television and done by people you shouldn't have working
> for you anyway. In the demos I've watched, things like cabinets come
> out in one piece. They don't even take sledge hammers to lath &
> plaster walls.

That depends. Modern houses or houses with updated kitchens have modular
cupboards that are screwed in with 4 or more bolts. The are sometimes
also glued..... I found out. Older kitchens have much more solidly
constructed cupboards and are usually nailed in place. It is nice if you
get get them off with a wrecking bar, but a sledge hammer comes in handy
when they otherwise won't come off.

One thing you need to remember when using a sledge hammer is that it
breaks things into little pieces and it is a lot more work to pick up
all the little bits and haul them out of the work area and dispose of
them than it is to move on large piece.


My pantry was another matter. It was originally just a set of upper
cupboards. Years ago we converted it to a full length pantry, walling
in one end and hanging louver bifold doors. The original uppers were
held in place to a full size2x4 with 6 inch spikes. I used a sledge
hammer to knock that apart

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:06:10 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 6/9/2014 1:00 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:50:28 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> I was terribly disappointed that I had to leave for work and
>>> the kitchen guy got to do the demo. I would have happily
>>> taken a sledge hammer to those cabinets.
>>>
>> That's for television and done by people you shouldn't have working
>> for you anyway. In the demos I've watched, things like cabinets come
>> out in one piece.
>
>Not in my house. They were plywood cabinets built in place.
>And I would have been happy to hit them with a sledge hammer.

When my parents redid their kitchen the original cabinets were built
in place too but they were older than plywood, they were built of all
solid hardwood, like the furniture of the early 1900s. That house was
built in 1910, even the stove was original, a pea green Tappen gas
stove, on legs, small oven, no thermostat. Originally that house had
no electric, had gas lights... the pipes were still in the walls with
caps where the original fixtures existed, most were wall sconces.

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:33:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Older kitchens have much more solidly
> constructed cupboards and are usually nailed in place. It is nice if you
> get get them off with a wrecking bar, but a sledge hammer comes in handy
> when they otherwise won't come off.

Oh, okay. My house was built in the 20s and was not done cheaply when
it was remodeled 40-50 years later, so the cabinets are well built and
attached to the walls with screws not glue.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Saturday, June 7, 2014 3:02:23 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> After having guests staying here for 10 days I had a couple days to
>
> demolish the old kitchen. I started off as soon as the guests left for
>
> the airport at noon on Thursday. Yesterday I demolished the pantry. I
>
> am still cursing the guy who used 6" spikes to build the frame. It took
>
> almost an hour to remove one old 2x4 that was spiked into the ceiling. I
>
> had to bang a flat bar into the end and rip layers off it about a foot
>
> at a time to expose the heads of the spikes and then pull them out
>
> without the heads peeling back. Today I removed the uppers and lowers
>
> along one wall. I am down to one long counter with the sink. I will pull
>
> that one out tomorrow after breakfast.
>
>
>
> We will have supper at a restaurant tomorrow and expect the cabinet
>
> installers mid morning. They should be done by noon on Tuesday. Hope
>
> so. My wife has ab appointment with an eye surgeon that is supposed to
>
> take 3-4 hours and she will have her eyes so widely dilated she won't be
>
> able to drive.

Well....that'll teach ya to have friends stay so long!!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:33:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Older kitchens have much more solidly
>> constructed cupboards and are usually nailed in place. It is nice if you
>> get get them off with a wrecking bar, but a sledge hammer comes in handy
>> when they otherwise won't come off.
>
> Oh, okay. My house was built in the 20s and was not done cheaply when
> it was remodeled 40-50 years later, so the cabinets are well built and
> attached to the walls with screws not glue.
>
My parent's were screwed on. They had them refinished once. They were all
removed, taken to the garage and redone. Then put back up.