On 6/9/2014 1:07 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Oh, Gary? The AC is fixed. I'll have breakfast for lunch.
>
> Very cool, Jill. Now you can use your one stove burner without heating
> up the entire house. heheh :-)
>
> G.
>
Would have taken two burners. I don't cook eggs (with cheese) and
sausage in the same pan.

Jill

On 2014-06-09 12:43 PM, Gary wrote:
> MaryL wrote:
>>
>> It's an unwritten law...just like I only get sick on weekends or when my
>> doctor is on vacation!
>
> And when you get to a doctor's office and are sitting in the waiting
> room, all of the sudden you fell fine. heheh

I'm not the only one? ;-)
And when you get in to the examination room and the doctor asks how
you're feeling.... Pretty good.... but...

On 6/9/2014 10:06 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> I would have to get permission from the ARB to have a propane tank
> installed. There *is* a small vertical propane tank next to the house
> for the (never been used) gas fireplace. The line for it runs under the
> slab and was installed during the building process.
>
> Even if I got permission to install a big propane tank out back (it's
> not a large back yard) I have no idea how they'd be able to run the
> lines to the kitchen for the stove. The kitchen is at the front of the
> house.
>
> They'd have to somehow run the line past the master bedroom/bathroom and
> the laundry room to get to the kitchen. Can't run a line down that side
> of the house because they'd be working on what is technically my
> neighbors property. (The houses are sort of like zero lots.)
>
> http://tinypic.com/m/ibz79i/4
>
> See that fence? That's next to my bedroom. That's where my property
> ends and theirs begins. That's also where they'd have to put a big
> propane tank. Rather small space, isn't it? I'd rather not look out
> the bedroom windows and have my view be a propane tank.
>
> It's a moot point since I'm not planning any kitchen upgrades. I'm used
> the somewhat quirky electric stove.
>
> Jill

With enough time and money it can be done, but in your case, it is
probably not worth the time and money. Getting permission could be
impossible in your case too. Electric is looking good.

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 6/8/2014 9:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Propane is usually easily installed. We hated the electric stove when
> we moved here and after about a year had the propane installed. Tank is
> pretty much hidden behind the house and they fill it once a year.
>
I would have to get permission from the ARB to have a propane tank
installed. There *is* a small vertical propane tank next to the house
for the (never been used) gas fireplace. The line for it runs under the
slab and was installed during the building process.

Even if I got permission to install a big propane tank out back (it's
not a large back yard) I have no idea how they'd be able to run the
lines to the kitchen for the stove. The kitchen is at the front of the
house.

They'd have to somehow run the line past the master bedroom/bathroom and
the laundry room to get to the kitchen. Can't run a line down that side
of the house because they'd be working on what is technically my
neighbors property. (The houses are sort of like zero lots.)

http://tinypic.com/m/ibz79i/4

See that fence? That's next to my bedroom. That's where my property
ends and theirs begins. That's also where they'd have to put a big
propane tank. Rather small space, isn't it? I'd rather not look out
the bedroom windows and have my view be a propane tank.

It's a moot point since I'm not planning any kitchen upgrades. I'm used
the somewhat quirky electric stove.

Jill

~~~~~~~~
That picture is interesting. It would be a violation of codes
here--permanent structures are required to be at least 10 feet from property
lines. Incidentally, I actually prefer electric stoves. I seem to be one
of the few people to say that.

MaryL

On 6/8/2014 5:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/8/2014 3:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> 2 eggs scrambled with grated extra sharp NY white cheddar, 3 links of
>> sausage and buttered whole wheat toast. With an ice cold glass of milk,
>> of course.
>
> I had burgers for breakfast. The burgers had a small amount of
> breadcrumbs, seasoned with a teriyaki vibe, with a large amount of
> chopped kim chee. The toasted buns had some Sriracha and Japan mayo.
> Japan mayo is wonderful stuff. Unfortunately, it cost $10 for 500g and
> comes in an awful squeeze bottle that doesn't work well in my Western
> kitchen.
>
> I've made this before - it's great.
>
> http://www.grubstreet.com/2012/02/ke...ls-recipe.html

Burgers for breakfast is a favorite of ours. We have been buying the
extra heavy mayonnaise that they sell at Sam's Club, but it comes in a 1
gallon container. We keep this in the auxiliary fridge, but I wish I
could find this in jars.

Becca

On 6/9/2014 11:43 AM, Gary wrote:
> MaryL wrote:
>>
>> It's an unwritten law...just like I only get sick on weekends or when my
>> doctor is on vacation!
>
> And when you get to a doctor's office and are sitting in the waiting
> room, all of the sudden you fell fine. heheh
>
> G.

Heh, I know what you mean. Last week, I took our youngest cat to the
vet, because she had a horrible cough. The vet checked her out and of
course she did not cough during the exam. The tech took her to the back
to x-ray her, and when she came back, she told me that Kika did cough
while they were trying to x-ray her. It looks like she has allergies.

Becca

On 2014-06-09 18:26, Ema Nymton wrote:

> Burgers for breakfast is a favorite of ours. We have been buying the
> extra heavy mayonnaise that they sell at Sam's Club, but it comes in a 1
> gallon container. We keep this in the auxiliary fridge, but I wish I
> could find this in jars.

I had a similar problem with dill pickles that I got courtesy of our
local bakery coffee shop. The owner got me a pail of them, but it is a
gallon sized pail with a lit that is a major chore to remove. I had no
room to keep it in our one and only fridge. They were the best pickles
I have ever had and a pail was only $12, but.... too much hassle.

On 2014-06-09 18:31, Ema Nymton wrote:

>
> Heh, I know what you mean. Last week, I took our youngest cat to the
> vet, because she had a horrible cough. The vet checked her out and of
> course she did not cough during the exam. The tech took her to the back
> to x-ray her, and when she came back, she told me that Kika did cough
> while they were trying to x-ray her. It looks like she has allergies.
>

Dang those pet allergies. Last summer we had to take our dog to the vet
a couple times due to skin problems. It cost me a bundle. Likely cause
was allergies. He had been given antihistamines, steroids, medicated
shampoos and was put on a special diet. The very expensive food didn't
help much but the Purina food for sensitive skin did.

He was okay for the winter but started getting itchy again when the
weather warmed up. When he started scratching himself raw I started
giving him daily baths with medicated shampoo and a daily Benedryl. Five
days of that and his skin cleared up. The $14 oatmeal shampoo and $12
worth of Benedryl saved me hundreds. They have the added benefit of
making my very active dog drowsy.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/9/2014 11:27 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Propane is usually easily installed. We hated the electric stove when
>>> we moved here and after about a year had the propane installed.
>>> Tank is
>>> pretty much hidden behind the house and they fill it once a year.
>>
>> Propane tanks can be buried too, so just the fill cap is exposed.
>> There's really no good excuse one can't have propane.
> (snippage)
>
> No good excuse? I'll give you the same reason there are no basements
> around here. Only 21 ft. above sea level.
>
> Jill
They don't bury them that deep. There are garages under homes here that
are on the ocean - less than 10 ft. above sea level. Modern engineering!

On 6/9/2014 5:41 PM, MaryL wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> of the house because they'd be working on what is technically my
> neighbors property. (The houses are sort of like zero lots.)
>
> http://tinypic.com/m/ibz79i/4
>
> See that fence? That's next to my bedroom. That's where my property
> ends and theirs begins. That's also where they'd have to put a big
> propane tank. Rather small space, isn't it? I'd rather not look out
> the bedroom windows and have my view be a propane tank.
>
> It's a moot point since I'm not planning any kitchen upgrades. I'm used
> the somewhat quirky electric stove.
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~~~
> That picture is interesting. It would be a violation of codes
> here--permanent structures are required to be at least 10 feet from
> property lines. Incidentally, I actually prefer electric stoves. I
> seem to be one of the few people to say that.
>
> MaryL

I don't mind electric stoves. I've only ever had one gas stove.
That was in an apartment building that was built in the 1920's. Come to
think of it, the stove was probably circa the 1950's. LOL

Most of the houses around here are like this. There is a walkway
between mine and my other neighbor's house. (That would be the woman
who has the cat Schwartzie.) The walkway is technically on my property.
It's a very narrow space. Her house has a fence like that that
extends to the *front*, separating her front bedroom and driveway from
my yard. Most of the houses here are built very close together.

At any rate, I will not be installing a propane tank. I'm fine with the
electric stove. If I want to, I can always use my charcoal grill.

Jill

On 6/9/2014 12:26 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
> Burgers for breakfast is a favorite of ours. We have been buying the
> extra heavy mayonnaise that they sell at Sam's Club, but it comes in a 1
> gallon container. We keep this in the auxiliary fridge, but I wish I
> could find this in jars.
>
> Becca

I don't usually eat burgers for breakfast but that probably needs to
change. :-)

We have a gallon of mayo in the fridge. Somebody bought it but it wasn't
me. We eat a lot of raw fish over here. Mostly, it's made poke style.
This is traditionally cubes of raw fish in a shoyu based sauce. In the
last 5 years or so the poke world has been turned upside down and now
the most popular poke uses a base of Sriracha and mayo. It's an amazing
thing. Anyway, with this turn of events, the mayonnaise consumption on
these isles must have gone up 300 or so percent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWsAKgtBUC0

On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 16:41:46 -0500, "MaryL"
> wrote:

>Incidentally, I actually prefer electric stoves. I seem to be one
>of the few people to say that.

I also prefer an electric stove. My glass-top stove has a "power
element" that will boil water in less than 2 minutes. With my MIL's
propane stove, she sometimes waits 15-20 minutes to get potatoes
boiling. Drives me nuts.

Doris

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> MaryL wrote:
>>
>> It's an unwritten law...just like I only get sick on weekends or when my
>> doctor is on vacation!
>
> And when you get to a doctor's office and are sitting in the waiting
> room, all of the sudden you fell fine. heheh

I think you mean feel although falling can happen. I got all skeeved out
today. Went to the Dr. just to get some records. Had been in the elevator
with two elderly people and presumably their son. When the elderly man
checked in, he held up his arm and said that he had fallen into a wall. I
then saw the largest protrusion I had ever seen. I don't want to venture to
guess what it was.

In article >, stancole1
@invalid.yahoo.com says...
>
Incidentally, I actually prefer electric stoves. I seem to be one
> of the few people to say that.

+1

My parents homes all had gas, I learned to cook on it, all my sons'
homes have modern gas stoves and I often cook on those.. and I much
prefer cooking on my electric stove with two ovens which can be set to
automatic timers, grill, and a glass top hob.

Of all the electric stove hobs I've ever cooked on I prefer the
glasstop hob to solid rings or coil rings. Control response is very fast
and adjustable...and it's child's play to keep clean.

Janet UK

"Janet" wrote in message
t...

In article >, stancole1
@invalid.yahoo.com says...
>
Incidentally, I actually prefer electric stoves. I seem to be one
> of the few people to say that.

+1

My parents homes all had gas, I learned to cook on it, all my sons'
homes have modern gas stoves and I often cook on those.. and I much
prefer cooking on my electric stove with two ovens which can be set to
automatic timers, grill, and a glass top hob.

Of all the electric stove hobs I've ever cooked on I prefer the
glasstop hob to solid rings or coil rings. Control response is very fast
and adjustable...and it's child's play to keep clean.

Janet UK

~~~~~~~
The oven I have has ceramic glass cooktop. I have had it since 1997, and it
looks like new. As you said, it is child's play to keep clean.
Incidentally, the oven is well insulated and I do not notice any heat at all
when baking. I notice that some people say they will not bake on hot days,
but I honestly cannot even feel any heat from the oven unless I place my
hand on it. The only time I can feel heat is when I use the self-cleaning
feature.

MaryL

On 6/9/2014 9:42 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:25:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> With enough time and money it can be done, but in your case, it is
>> probably not worth the time and money. Getting permission could be
>> impossible in your case too. Electric is looking good.
>
> I noticed they have a "Propane Buyers Club" on the island (made up of
> men-only, no doubt), so more than a few people have gone the propane
> route even though every back yard faces a golf course. Permission
> probably isn't as hard as it may seem - as long you know some of those
> cigar-smoking Scotch-sipping good 'ol boys on the island and are
> willing to make a stiff donation to the men's club. Or maybe a few
> lap dances is all it takes <shrug>.
>
> -sw
>
LOL Yes, I frequently get emails from folks who have joined together to
get some sort of bulk discount on propane delivery. But chances are,
those propane tanks were installed when the houses were being built.
(Not every back yard faces a golf course.) My mom didn't care a whit
about cooking so they didn't go that route when they built the place.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 6/9/2014 1:07 PM, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, Gary? The AC is fixed. I'll have breakfast for lunch.
> >
> > Very cool, Jill. Now you can use your one stove burner without heating
> > up the entire house. heheh :-)
> >
> > G.
> >
> Would have taken two burners. I don't cook eggs (with cheese) and
> sausage in the same pan.

I only use one pan. Cook the sausage first and have the eggs ready to
cook in the meantime. Once the sausage is cooked and plated, I'll
drain the sausage grease out and quickly cook the eggs. I also have
buttered toast ready and waiting too.

G.

Janet wrote:
>
> Of all the electric stove hobs I've ever cooked on I prefer the
> glasstop hob to solid rings or coil rings. Control response is very fast
> and adjustable...and it's child's play to keep clean.

The glass-tops are somewhat fragile as compared to burner stoves.
Child's play to keep clean means two things to me.
1) definitely easier to wipe off
2) if you chose to buy one, you don't seriously cook or you rarely
do.

Tell me how many restaurants use all glass top stoves. lol

G.

In article >, says...
>
> Janet wrote:
> >
> > Of all the electric stove hobs I've ever cooked on I prefer the
> > glasstop hob to solid rings or coil rings. Control response is very fast
> > and adjustable...and it's child's play to keep clean.
>
> The glass-tops are somewhat fragile as compared to burner stoves.

Mine is as tough as Pyrex dishes. 12 years and no problems with the
stove top. My pyrex has lasted 45.

> Child's play to keep clean means two things to me.
> 1) definitely easier to wipe off

Hallellujah, Gary got something right!


> 2) if you chose to buy one, you don't seriously cook or you rarely
> do.

I chose to buy it, on recommendation from an excellent and very
experienced home cook who had one.

We both cook well, we cook every day entirely on or in that stove
(don't own a microwave), and we cook almost everything fresh from
scratch.

Janet UK

On 6/9/2014 11:19 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, stancole1
> @invalid.yahoo.com says...
>>
> Incidentally, I actually prefer electric stoves. I seem to be one
>> of the few people to say that.
>
> +1
>
> My parents homes all had gas, I learned to cook on it, all my sons'
> homes have modern gas stoves and I often cook on those.. and I much
> prefer cooking on my electric stove with two ovens which can be set to
> automatic timers, grill, and a glass top hob.
>
> Of all the electric stove hobs I've ever cooked on I prefer the
> glasstop hob to solid rings or coil rings. Control response is very fast
> and adjustable...and it's child's play to keep clean.
>
> Janet UK
>
>

I grew up with gas too. Mostly, what I remember about my parent's
kitchen is that it was one hot kitchen. I could see owning a gas stove
on the mainland but in the humid tropics, that would be my last choice.
The burners we had when I was learning to cook, were kind of shitty and
weak but the heat it threw off was still pretty nasty. The gas oven was
even worse.

OTOH, the savings on using natural gas is remarkable. OTOH, my guess is
that my induction stove can almost match the cost savings of gas plus
there's no heat running off the sides of the pans, no water vapor being
generated, and the speed and control you get from induction pretty much
blows everything off the map.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>I got all skeeved out today.
>Went to the Dr. just to get some records. Had been in the elevator
>with two elderly people and presumably their son. When the elderly man
>checked in, he held up his arm and said that he had fallen into a wall. I
>then saw the largest protrusion I had ever seen. I don't want to venture to
>guess what it was.

You were supposed to be looking at his arm, not his crotch! LOL

On 6/9/2014 9:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/9/2014 12:26 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>> Burgers for breakfast is a favorite of ours. We have been buying the
>> extra heavy mayonnaise that they sell at Sam's Club, but it comes in a 1
>> gallon container. We keep this in the auxiliary fridge, but I wish I
>> could find this in jars.
>>
>> Becca
>
> I don't usually eat burgers for breakfast but that probably needs to
> change. :-)
>
> We have a gallon of mayo in the fridge. Somebody bought it but it wasn't
> me. We eat a lot of raw fish over here. Mostly, it's made poke style.
> This is traditionally cubes of raw fish in a shoyu based sauce. In the
> last 5 years or so the poke world has been turned upside down and now
> the most popular poke uses a base of Sriracha and mayo. It's an amazing
> thing. Anyway, with this turn of events, the mayonnaise consumption on
> these isles must have gone up 300 or so percent.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWsAKgtBUC0

Excellent video, I wish more were like that. I watched a video
yesterday, and for the first minute and a half, I saw her prior dishes
swirl by the screen, then she began to chat, on and on. I had to move
on, without seeing the rest, I do not have that much free time.

Becca

On 6/10/2014 4:19 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, stancole1
> @invalid.yahoo.com says...
>>
> Incidentally, I actually prefer electric stoves. I seem to be one
>> of the few people to say that.
>
> +1
>
> My parents homes all had gas, I learned to cook on it, all my sons'
> homes have modern gas stoves and I often cook on those.. and I much
> prefer cooking on my electric stove with two ovens which can be set to
> automatic timers, grill, and a glass top hob.
>
> Of all the electric stove hobs I've ever cooked on I prefer the
> glasstop hob to solid rings or coil rings. Control response is very fast
> and adjustable...and it's child's play to keep clean.
>
> Janet UK

Janet, I agree with you, I love my glass top stove. I have used gas and
electric and both have advantages, but the glass top won out.

Becca

On 6/10/2014 3:11 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I grew up with gas too. Mostly, what I remember about my parent's
> kitchen is that it was one hot kitchen. I could see owning a gas stove
> on the mainland but in the humid tropics, that would be my last choice.
> The burners we had when I was learning to cook, were kind of shitty and
> weak but the heat it threw off was still pretty nasty. The gas oven was
> even worse.

I also grew up with our house having gas heat, hot water, and for
cooking. It was hard to make the switch to electric when I had to over
various moves before buying my house, but even now when I go to my mom's
for dinner, the kitchen is always unbearably hot. She has a very large
kitchen with 2 ceiling fans, but it still gets so hot in there when
cooking. It could be that I only visit when we're having family
dinners, and usually it means the oven and all gas burners are being
used. But it gets hotter than my tiny kitchen.

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