On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:56:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/15/2014 6:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>>
>>> Lots of men have trouble with parallel parking too. I don't think it's
>>> gender specific. Personally, I don't understand what's so difficult
>>> about
>>> it.
>>>
>> The common explanation is that men see the world from a positional/spatial
>> point of view that women don't. You're probably right about parking not
>> being gender specific. My guess is that men are not to worried about being
>> sloppy when parking and that females like to go on and on about how they
>> can't parallel park. I'm more than happy in supporting them in this
>> perception.
>
>lol

I think it has only to do with how one parked when first starting to
drive... growing up in a crowded city there was only parallel parking
and in tight spaces, I got very good at it quickly... in this rural
area there is no place to parallel park, there are no curbs and
street/roadway parking is prohibited... and parking lots for shopping
are huge so there are plenty of spaces and extra large spaces. Even
private property has plenty of parking... and all parking areas here
are made extra large so that during winter there'll be enough space to
pile the plowed snow.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are just
>>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You
>>> might
>>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>>
>> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
>> something guys like to brag about using.
>
> My dad used to love it and my husband loves it. I never liked it.

I like it when on longer trips.

Cheri

On 2014-06-16 10:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I think it has only to do with how one parked when first starting to
> drive... growing up in a crowded city there was only parallel parking
> and in tight spaces, I got very good at it quickly... in this rural
> area there is no place to parallel park, there are no curbs and
> street/roadway parking is prohibited... and parking lots for shopping
> are huge so there are plenty of spaces and extra large spaces. Even
> private property has plenty of parking... and all parking areas here
> are made extra large so that during winter there'll be enough space to
> pile the plowed snow.
>

You should see the parking in our town. The town is actually made up of
several villages. In the main part of town, most of the street parking
spaces are quite large, but one of the main streets is a former highway
and goes up a hill. Parking spaces on the uphill side are tiny. Cars
can barely fit it in. In the hamlet that is my mailing address, some of
the parking spaces are a standard size but others are so small that my
old Civic would not fit in one.

Then there is the smaller shopping area in the hamlet around the corner
from me. The spaces are huge. Extended body vans and pickups should
easily fit into them. You don't even need to back into them. They are
large enough to drive straight into them. Yet, most people seem to have
trouble. They often park over the line at the front or back and there
will be an entire car length between the end of their vehicle and the
next space.

On 6/16/2014 10:31 AM, Cheri wrote:

> I like it when on longer trips.

Cruise control sounds great in theory but it's only
useful in light highway traffic. Interesting that even
in commuter traffic where wall to wall cars drive as one
being, it subtly speeds and slows and it's worthless to
set a constant speed.

nancy

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:43:43 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 6/16/2014 10:31 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>> I like it when on longer trips.
>
>Cruise control sounds great in theory but it's only
>useful in light highway traffic. Interesting that even
>in commuter traffic where wall to wall cars drive as one
>being, it subtly speeds and slows and it's worthless to
>set a constant speed.
>
>nancy

The only times I used cruise control was on cross country trips like
on the Interstate crossing Utah or Kansas, with no other traffic,
where you could actually see the curve of the earth. And even then I
was really just conducting a test to see if it still operated, after
like a half hour I felt very bored with doing nothing, made me sleepy.
I used it crossing Canada too (6,000 miles one way), in the central
portion it was so flat and desolate all there was to see were the
grain silos every 14 Kilometers... when you reached one you could
still see the last one in your rear view mirror, and see the next one
on the horizon. They were all built exactly alike, like tall boxes,
and all painted the same light teal. And about every two hundred
miles you'd find a dumpy place to buy gas and you'd best fill up or
you may not make it to the next one. All you can get on your radio
was farm prices and church sermons.

On 2014-06-16 10:43 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/16/2014 10:31 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>> I like it when on longer trips.
>
> Cruise control sounds great in theory but it's only
> useful in light highway traffic. Interesting that even
> in commuter traffic where wall to wall cars drive as one
> being, it subtly speeds and slows and it's worthless to
> set a constant speed.
>
>


A lot of people like it because it saves them from getting speeding
tickets on long stretches of highway. I had a coworker who thought that
it was the single most useful option on a car. I don't share his rating
of it, but I use is a lot to avoid that gradual acceleration that has
got me speeding tickets in the paste. I also used to drive a lot of
different cars and some of them didn't feel like they were going as fast
as they were.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2014 10:31 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>> I like it when on longer trips.
>
> Cruise control sounds great in theory but it's only
> useful in light highway traffic. Interesting that even
> in commuter traffic where wall to wall cars drive as one
> being, it subtly speeds and slows and it's worthless to
> set a constant speed.
>
> nancy

True, but when we went to Oregon, it was nice on 1-5 with little traffic. No
reason, as you say, to even bother in heavier traffic.

Cheri

On 6/16/2014 1:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/15/2014 12:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/15/2014 10:14 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>>>>> On 6/15/2014 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:04:04 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find the auto much slower to drive. I can pull away much
>>>>>>> faster if
>>>>>>> I need
>>>>>>> to in my manual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what they love to say, but in fact it's a fallacy. I remember
>>>>>> many informal drag races that pitted auto against stick and auto
>>>>>> transmissions won too.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder why there is a yellow light for a second or so before the
>>>>> change to green In Germany? I thought it was to give enough time to
>>>>> shift into gear.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's done in the UK too. I like getting a warning before a light
>>>> change. I think they should do it in this country but we do like to
>>>> catch our drivers with their pants down if at all possible.
>>>
>>> Ahh the Amber lights?
>>>
>>> This is the sequence:
>>>
>>> Goes from: Green - Amber - Red (STOP)
>>>
>>> If as you arrive at the lights it turns to Amber, and you are too
>>> close when it changes to stop safely then you continue. Otherwise you
>>> stop.
>>>
>>> Goes from Red - Red and Amber (together) - Green (GO)
>>>
>>> (However, at some pedestrian crossings you will get a flashing amber
>>> before green, and if there is nobody on the crossing then you can go)
>>>
>>> If anyone is travelling here and driving, I would suggest they read a
>>> copy of the Highway Code which will explain all this
>>>
>>
>> I was able to figure it the first time I saw one. It makes a whole lot
>> of sense. My guess is that we'll adopt that system in the states
>> sooner or later.
>
> I can't remember a time when we didn't have these so I think if USA was
> going to ...
>

We have a waiting period before we copy automotive stuff from Europe. :-)

There were a perplexing bunch of markings on your roads, mostly in
towns. Some were easy to figure out and some were "what the hell is
that?" In some places, I couldn't figure out where you were allowed to
park. I like nice parallel lines but sometimes it looked like people
were parking in a random fashion. It was a real gas anyway.

On 6/16/2014 1:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/15/2014 8:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> I'm all for self-driving cars. For one thing, tailgaters wouldn't
>>>> bother me and I'd never have to worry about being cut off.
>>>
>>> ...until it developed a fault ... eeeeeek not for me.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> New technology is always scary. As it goes, we place our lives into
>> the hands of computers every day. Most times, they function
>> flawlessly. It takes a human to really mess things up. My brother says
>> that most commercial planes land by computer. That's something the
>> airlines don't want you to know.
>
> I won't fly any more. I have done too much of it and hated it every
> time. I don't need to do it now, thank goodness When we visit
> daughter and family in Germany we take the overnight ferry and drive.
>

I don't care much for it either. I can't believe that we still fly in
planes with propellers.

On 6/16/2014 1:54 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>
>> I had to parallel park today. I did pretty good if I do say so myself.
>> OTOH, for the last 3 months or so, my ability to park in perpendicular
>> spots has taken a big hit. I'll get out my car to find that I've
>> parked diagonally in a spot. It was the nuttiest thing I ever saw.
>> Luckily, it seems that I'm getting my mojo back and can now park a car
>> straight as an arrow again. Thanks Jesus!
>
> Well done)
>

The local people like to back into a stall and for some unknown reason,
I now think that's a good idea so I've been backing it to park. That may
be the reason for my alignment problem. I just need to get my sight
lines realigned and my brain calibrated. Perhaps it takes 90 or so days
for that to happen. I sure hope so!

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2014 10:31 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>> I like it when on longer trips.
>
> Cruise control sounds great in theory but it's only
> useful in light highway traffic. Interesting that even
> in commuter traffic where wall to wall cars drive as one
> being, it subtly speeds and slows and it's worthless to
> set a constant speed.

Indeed, which is why I am not interested in using mine.


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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2014 1:54 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> I had to parallel park today. I did pretty good if I do say so myself.
>>> OTOH, for the last 3 months or so, my ability to park in perpendicular
>>> spots has taken a big hit. I'll get out my car to find that I've
>>> parked diagonally in a spot. It was the nuttiest thing I ever saw.
>>> Luckily, it seems that I'm getting my mojo back and can now park a car
>>> straight as an arrow again. Thanks Jesus!
>>
>> Well done)
>>
>
> The local people like to back into a stall and for some unknown reason, I
> now think that's a good idea so I've been backing it to park. That may be
> the reason for my alignment problem. I just need to get my sight lines
> realigned and my brain calibrated. Perhaps it takes 90 or so days for that
> to happen. I sure hope so!

Just keep practising. That is what I am doing atm.

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2014 1:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/15/2014 12:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/15/2014 10:14 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/15/2014 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:04:04 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I find the auto much slower to drive. I can pull away much
>>>>>>>> faster if
>>>>>>>> I need
>>>>>>>> to in my manual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what they love to say, but in fact it's a fallacy. I
>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>> many informal drag races that pitted auto against stick and auto
>>>>>>> transmissions won too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder why there is a yellow light for a second or so before the
>>>>>> change to green In Germany? I thought it was to give enough time to
>>>>>> shift into gear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's done in the UK too. I like getting a warning before a light
>>>>> change. I think they should do it in this country but we do like to
>>>>> catch our drivers with their pants down if at all possible.
>>>>
>>>> Ahh the Amber lights?
>>>>
>>>> This is the sequence:
>>>>
>>>> Goes from: Green - Amber - Red (STOP)
>>>>
>>>> If as you arrive at the lights it turns to Amber, and you are too
>>>> close when it changes to stop safely then you continue. Otherwise you
>>>> stop.
>>>>
>>>> Goes from Red - Red and Amber (together) - Green (GO)
>>>>
>>>> (However, at some pedestrian crossings you will get a flashing amber
>>>> before green, and if there is nobody on the crossing then you can go)
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is travelling here and driving, I would suggest they read a
>>>> copy of the Highway Code which will explain all this
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was able to figure it the first time I saw one. It makes a whole lot
>>> of sense. My guess is that we'll adopt that system in the states
>>> sooner or later.
>>
>> I can't remember a time when we didn't have these so I think if USA was
>> going to ...
>>
>
> We have a waiting period before we copy automotive stuff from Europe. :-)
>
> There were a perplexing bunch of markings on your roads, mostly in towns.
> Some were easy to figure out and some were "what the hell is that?" In
> some places, I couldn't figure out where you were allowed to park. I like
> nice parallel lines but sometimes it looked like people were parking in a
> random fashion. It was a real gas anyway.

You should have bought a copy of the Highway Code

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2014 1:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/15/2014 8:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> I'm all for self-driving cars. For one thing, tailgaters wouldn't
>>>>> bother me and I'd never have to worry about being cut off.
>>>>
>>>> ...until it developed a fault ... eeeeeek not for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> New technology is always scary. As it goes, we place our lives into
>>> the hands of computers every day. Most times, they function
>>> flawlessly. It takes a human to really mess things up. My brother says
>>> that most commercial planes land by computer. That's something the
>>> airlines don't want you to know.
>>
>> I won't fly any more. I have done too much of it and hated it every
>> time. I don't need to do it now, thank goodness When we visit
>> daughter and family in Germany we take the overnight ferry and drive.
>>
>
> I don't care much for it either. I can't believe that we still fly in
> planes with propellers.

You do fly though. I won't any more unless I really have no choice.

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:46:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> I also used to drive a lot of
> different cars and some of them didn't feel like they were going as fast
> as they were.

That's what my husband tries to tell me when he's over the speed
limit, but I don't see how he can't notice he's passing every car on
the road and I can feel the G force against my face.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/16/2014 2:09 PM, Ophelia wrote:

> You should have bought a copy of the Highway Code
>
I lend out copies of the Highway Code to our US guests. And maps.
And directions on the etiquette of driving on single-track roads.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2014 2:09 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> You should have bought a copy of the Highway Code
>>
> I lend out copies of the Highway Code to our US guests. And maps.
> And directions on the etiquette of driving on single-track roads.

Excellent idea!


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On 2014-06-16 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:46:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I also used to drive a lot of
>> different cars and some of them didn't feel like they were going as fast
>> as they were.
>
> That's what my husband tries to tell me when he's over the speed
> limit, but I don't see how he can't notice he's passing every car on
> the road and I can feel the G force against my face.
>

It is partly that it is a gradual thing. It is also partly an slightly
aggressive driving thing.... to be going a little faster than everyone
else. I used to like to have someone pass me. If there was radar up
ahead they would catch him and I could slip on by.

On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:04:05 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:13:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Me either. I'll drive my own car without GPS and all the rest of it. I
>
> >>> expect to drive my Toyota for the rest of my driving days. :-)
>
> >>
>
> >>I need my GPS. I prefer it not to be built in to the car.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Why? It is more economical and transferable, but the built in has a
>
> > bigger screen and it can't be lost or stolen. I have both but only
>
> > use the Garmin in Europe these days.
>
>
>
> I used to have a Garmin Nuvi but it drove me crazy (exterminate, exterminate
>
> ... err or perhaps it was recalculate, recalculate)
>
>
>
> I prefer a Tom Tom these days Much kinder <g>
>

That thing was a lifesaver when we were in the UK. Too bad it only worked locally. Rats!

Loose ends: To clairfy, we do have the amber signal lights in the US. We call them "yellow lights" and they warn you when the red light is about to come on. There is no warning for green lights.

I thought the pips on the highways were a very good idea. The signs will say to keep a two pip distance between cars. We need that in this country!

>
>
> --
>
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 6/16/2014 2:53 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-16 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:46:39 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I also used to drive a lot of
>>> different cars and some of them didn't feel like they were going as fast
>>> as they were.
>>
>> That's what my husband tries to tell me when he's over the speed
>> limit, but I don't see how he can't notice he's passing every car on
>> the road and I can feel the G force against my face.
>>
>
> It is partly that it is a gradual thing. It is also partly an slightly
> aggressive driving thing.... to be going a little faster than everyone
> else. I used to like to have someone pass me. If there was radar up
> ahead they would catch him and I could slip on by.
>
It is interesting how little you fall behind with cruise control set to
about the average speed on a road. I have several times noted an
aggressive driver weaving in and out but I've come level with them after
a few miles. However, I suppose the aggressive driver might have enjoyed
their ride while regarding mine with cruise control to be boring.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:04:05 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:13:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Me either. I'll drive my own car without GPS and all the rest of it.
>> >>> I
>>
>> >>> expect to drive my Toyota for the rest of my driving days. :-)
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>I need my GPS. I prefer it not to be built in to the car.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Why? It is more economical and transferable, but the built in has a
>>
>> > bigger screen and it can't be lost or stolen. I have both but only
>>
>> > use the Garmin in Europe these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> I used to have a Garmin Nuvi but it drove me crazy (exterminate,
>> exterminate
>>
>> ... err or perhaps it was recalculate, recalculate)
>>
>>
>>
>> I prefer a Tom Tom these days Much kinder <g>
>>
>
> That thing was a lifesaver when we were in the UK. Too bad it only worked
> locally. Rats!
>
> Loose ends: To clairfy, we do have the amber signal lights in the US. We
> call them "yellow lights" and they warn you when the red light is about to
> come on. There is no warning for green lights.
>
> I thought the pips on the highways were a very good idea. The signs will
> say to keep a two pip distance between cars. We need that in this country!

I am pleased you approve You could start a petition?

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:54:41 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 21:59:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 6/14/2014 9:12 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>> Automatics are for steerers, not drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody apart from those with a disability should be able to get a
>>>>>> licence unless you pass the test in a car with a manual box.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why? Really, aside from getting a rental in other countries there is no
>>>>>practical reason to learn to drive stick shift. Let's go one better,
>>>>>before driving a stick shift, you must learn to hitch a team of horses
>>>>>and drive a carriage.
>>>>
>>>> You ask me why - and then follow up with a clearly stupid analogy.
>>>> So you're not really asking why, nor are you interested in listening
>>>> as to why.
>>>>
>>>>>You will be disappointed to learn that many high performance cars are
>>>>>now automatics with paddle shifters.
>>>>
>>>> I 'learned' that long ago, and I'm not disappointed, because what you
>>>> call 'high performance cars are not high performance cars.
>>>>
>>>>>I've owned quite a few cars with stick shift.
>>>>>can shift both up and down without using the clutch. I even know the
>>>>>shift pattern on a Borgward. So what? I can drive any place in North
>>>>>America and never have to shift.
>>>>
>>>> You're steering, not driving.
>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, its fun once in a while but I don't want manual on my daily driver
>>>>>and I fail to see how most people wold be a better driver just because
>>>>>they can use a clutch.
>>>>
>>>> If you truly believe that, I suspect you're a very ordinary driver.
>>>> Sorry. Steerer.
>>>>
>>>>>Full disclosu I've never saddled a horse.
>>>
>>> Actually, to be fair, driving with 'anything' is much more than just
>>> steering. Thank about it; road conditions, safety, traffic, pedestrians
>>> etc. Steering is just going in a direction you wish to go, without any
>>> other considerations.
>>
>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are just
>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You might
>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>
>I've only ever had cruise control on this Kia but I won't use it.

I've found the quality of cruise controls to vary widely between makes
of cars. Some I've tried are pretty awful - admittedly they were from
older cars.

The one in my Forester is very good. I rarely use it, as there is
basically only two road in the entire state with long, straight (ish)
stretches of road where you can maintain a steady speed for any
appreciable length of time.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:56:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are just
>>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You might
>>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>>
>> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
>> something guys like to brag about using.

Why on earth would 'guys' brag about cruise control????

On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:09:57 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 6/16/2014 1:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On 6/15/2014 12:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >>>> ...
>
> >>>>> On 6/15/2014 10:14 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On 6/15/2014 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:04:04 +0100, "Ophelia"
>
> >>>>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>> I find the auto much slower to drive. I can pull away much
>
> >>>>>>>> faster if
>
> >>>>>>>> I need
>
> >>>>>>>> to in my manual.
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> That's what they love to say, but in fact it's a fallacy. I
>
> >>>>>>> remember
>
> >>>>>>> many informal drag races that pitted auto against stick and auto
>
> >>>>>>> transmissions won too.
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> I wonder why there is a yellow light for a second or so before the
>
> >>>>>> change to green In Germany? I thought it was to give enough time to
>
> >>>>>> shift into gear.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> It's done in the UK too. I like getting a warning before a light
>
> >>>>> change. I think they should do it in this country but we do like to
>
> >>>>> catch our drivers with their pants down if at all possible.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Ahh the Amber lights?
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> This is the sequence:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Goes from: Green - Amber - Red (STOP)
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> If as you arrive at the lights it turns to Amber, and you are too
>
> >>>> close when it changes to stop safely then you continue. Otherwise you
>
> >>>> stop.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Goes from Red - Red and Amber (together) - Green (GO)
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> (However, at some pedestrian crossings you will get a flashing amber
>
> >>>> before green, and if there is nobody on the crossing then you can go)
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> If anyone is travelling here and driving, I would suggest they read a
>
> >>>> copy of the Highway Code which will explain all this
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I was able to figure it the first time I saw one. It makes a whole lot
>
> >>> of sense. My guess is that we'll adopt that system in the states
>
> >>> sooner or later.
>
> >>
>
> >> I can't remember a time when we didn't have these so I think if USA was
>
> >> going to ...
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > We have a waiting period before we copy automotive stuff from Europe. :-)
>
> >
>
> > There were a perplexing bunch of markings on your roads, mostly in towns.
>
> > Some were easy to figure out and some were "what the hell is that?" In
>
> > some places, I couldn't figure out where you were allowed to park. I like
>
> > nice parallel lines but sometimes it looked like people were parking in a
>
> > random fashion. It was a real gas anyway.
>
>
>
> You should have bought a copy of the Highway Code
>

This is very good advice! I highly recommend that people in the US do this before visiting the UK. The car rental shop should have passed out a guide of some sort to us dumb yanks. Some of the markings on your roads look like abstract art to me. :-)

>
>
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>
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:29:32 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

>On 6/16/2014 2:53 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-06-16 2:12 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:46:39 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also used to drive a lot of
>>>> different cars and some of them didn't feel like they were going as fast
>>>> as they were.
>>>
>>> That's what my husband tries to tell me when he's over the speed
>>> limit, but I don't see how he can't notice he's passing every car on
>>> the road and I can feel the G force against my face.
>>>
>>
>> It is partly that it is a gradual thing. It is also partly an slightly
>> aggressive driving thing.... to be going a little faster than everyone
>> else. I used to like to have someone pass me. If there was radar up
>> ahead they would catch him and I could slip on by.
>>
>It is interesting how little you fall behind with cruise control set to
>about the average speed on a road. I have several times noted an
>aggressive driver weaving in and out but I've come level with them after
>a few miles. However, I suppose the aggressive driver might have enjoyed
>their ride while regarding mine with cruise control to be boring.

You see that behaviour everywhere. When I'm in the big smoke, I pace
myself between sets of traffic lights to try to hit them when they're
turning green (as much as the other traffic will permit anyway).

You see these other people taking off much faster and braking at the
next set of lights, whilst I roll past them without having to touch
the brakes or clutch. I don't know why so many drivers can't figure
that out in regards to traffic lights and traffic flow.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 22:53:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/15/2014 6:06 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 09:12:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/15/2014 7:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> That was a head on crash with a combined speed of over 100 mph. A drunk
>>>> hitting a parked car and leaving debris for a block???? Not in this
>>>> world.
>>>>
>>> It would not be scattered from impact, but dragging a bug and it
>>> components is very possible.
>>
>> Yeah - dragged through people's yards? For about a block?
>>
>> "She found pieces of it all over in people's yards for about a block"
>>
>> If the debris was dragged by the offending vehicle, did it drive
>> through people's front yards for about a block?
>>
>
>Don't know. Stuff bounces and forces take it in other directions. Your
>skepticism is proof of nothing. There are many possibilities and since
>neithe of us was there, we will never know for sure.

Nothing is impossible, but this is coming from Julie, and some sort of
unlikely scenario seems to happen to her on a daily basis. So... for
forgive my skepticism.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 23:40:25 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:20:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"gregz" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> The stick is a nightmare in stop and go rush hour traffic. Add hills,
>>>> forget it.
>>>
>>>Only if you are not used to it.
>>
>> Fancy describing driving a manual as a 'nightmare'. If it's *that*
>> difficult for a normal, able person to do - you'd have to wonder about
>> their driving skills. I mean really.
>
>I suppose it is what you learn with and get used to but I would hate to be
>restricted.

Yes, hence my point about licensing in some countries. Better to have
learned and passed in a manual, even if you don't intend driving one
in the foreseeable future. At least they have some experience then.

But I've learned from this thread how rare manual gearboxes are in
some countries - much rarer than I realised and it surprised me.
It's the exact opposite here and similar where you are, so such
licensing is more relevant for us, I suppose.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:56:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are just
>>>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You
>>>> might
>>>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>>>
>>> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
>>> something guys like to brag about using.
>
> Why on earth would 'guys' brag about cruise control????

I'm not even going there ...

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, June 16, 2014 8:09:57 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On 6/16/2014 1:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>> >>> On 6/15/2014 12:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>
>> >>>> ...
>>
>> >>>>> On 6/15/2014 10:14 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> On 6/15/2014 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:04:04 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>
>> >>>>>>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>>> I find the auto much slower to drive. I can pull away much
>>
>> >>>>>>>> faster if
>>
>> >>>>>>>> I need
>>
>> >>>>>>>> to in my manual.
>>
>> >>>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>> That's what they love to say, but in fact it's a fallacy. I
>>
>> >>>>>>> remember
>>
>> >>>>>>> many informal drag races that pitted auto against stick and auto
>>
>> >>>>>>> transmissions won too.
>>
>> >>>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> I wonder why there is a yellow light for a second or so before the
>>
>> >>>>>> change to green In Germany? I thought it was to give enough time
>> >>>>>> to
>>
>> >>>>>> shift into gear.
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> It's done in the UK too. I like getting a warning before a light
>>
>> >>>>> change. I think they should do it in this country but we do like to
>>
>> >>>>> catch our drivers with their pants down if at all possible.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Ahh the Amber lights?
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> This is the sequence:
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Goes from: Green - Amber - Red (STOP)
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> If as you arrive at the lights it turns to Amber, and you are too
>>
>> >>>> close when it changes to stop safely then you continue. Otherwise
>> >>>> you
>>
>> >>>> stop.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Goes from Red - Red and Amber (together) - Green (GO)
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> (However, at some pedestrian crossings you will get a flashing amber
>>
>> >>>> before green, and if there is nobody on the crossing then you can
>> >>>> go)
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> If anyone is travelling here and driving, I would suggest they read
>> >>>> a
>>
>> >>>> copy of the Highway Code which will explain all this
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I was able to figure it the first time I saw one. It makes a whole
>> >>> lot
>>
>> >>> of sense. My guess is that we'll adopt that system in the states
>>
>> >>> sooner or later.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I can't remember a time when we didn't have these so I think if USA
>> >> was
>>
>> >> going to ...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > We have a waiting period before we copy automotive stuff from Europe.
>> > :-)
>>
>> >
>>
>> > There were a perplexing bunch of markings on your roads, mostly in
>> > towns.
>>
>> > Some were easy to figure out and some were "what the hell is that?" In
>>
>> > some places, I couldn't figure out where you were allowed to park. I
>> > like
>>
>> > nice parallel lines but sometimes it looked like people were parking in
>> > a
>>
>> > random fashion. It was a real gas anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> You should have bought a copy of the Highway Code
>>
>
> This is very good advice! I highly recommend that people in the US do this
> before visiting the UK. The car rental shop should have passed out a guide
> of some sort to us dumb yanks. Some of the markings on your roads look
> like abstract art to me. :-)

lol well you know what to do next time)
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 23:52:06 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:54:31 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Parallel parking my Landcruiser ute can be difficult in Launceston,
>> it's quite a bit higher than standard and the ute tray blocks any rear
>> vision, especially of these newfangled tiny 'shopping trolley' cars,
>> as they are referred to here as. I just use my mirrors and shop window
>> reflections to see how close I am to the car behind.
>
>I am having probs with my Kia. I am used to being much higher and having a
>definite 'front' and 'back' The front of this slopes down fast and I can't
>work out where it stops!!! Well it is still fairly new to me and I tend not
>to drive it too often ... I am much lower down now and it is hard to see
>the back BUT I now have a wee camera on the back and I can see on a screen
>inside how near I am behind.
>
>See he
>
>http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yada-BT53328.../dp/B007AAUTG8
>
>Now if I could just get the hang of that damned bonnet ...

I've noticed that with a lot of smaller new cars, the front visibility
is often not the best. You can get those parking proximity sensor
things but I have no idea how useful they actually are.

You could put a fibreglass whip antenna or similar on your front
bumper as a guide, but that's not the most aesthetically pleasing
solution, I guess.

On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:11:08 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:04:05 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> ...
>
> >>
>
> >> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:13:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> >>
>
> >> > > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> Me either. I'll drive my own car without GPS and all the rest of it.
>
> >> >>> I
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> expect to drive my Toyota for the rest of my driving days. :-)
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>I need my GPS. I prefer it not to be built in to the car.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> > Why? It is more economical and transferable, but the built in has a
>
> >>
>
> >> > bigger screen and it can't be lost or stolen. I have both but only
>
> >>
>
> >> > use the Garmin in Europe these days.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I used to have a Garmin Nuvi but it drove me crazy (exterminate,
>
> >> exterminate
>
> >>
>
> >> ... err or perhaps it was recalculate, recalculate)
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I prefer a Tom Tom these days Much kinder <g>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > That thing was a lifesaver when we were in the UK. Too bad it only worked
>
> > locally. Rats!
>
> >
>
> > Loose ends: To clairfy, we do have the amber signal lights in the US. We
>
> > call them "yellow lights" and they warn you when the red light is about to
>
> > come on. There is no warning for green lights.
>
> >
>
> > I thought the pips on the highways were a very good idea. The signs will
>
> > say to keep a two pip distance between cars. We need that in this country!
>
>
>
> I am pleased you approve You could start a petition?
>

I'm more of a wait and pray kind of guy rather than an instigator of change. :-)

>
>
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>
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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 23:40:25 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:20:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>"gregz" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>> The stick is a nightmare in stop and go rush hour traffic. Add hills,
>>>>> forget it.
>>>>
>>>>Only if you are not used to it.
>>>
>>> Fancy describing driving a manual as a 'nightmare'. If it's *that*
>>> difficult for a normal, able person to do - you'd have to wonder about
>>> their driving skills. I mean really.
>>
>>I suppose it is what you learn with and get used to but I would hate to be
>>restricted.
>
> Yes, hence my point about licensing in some countries. Better to have
> learned and passed in a manual, even if you don't intend driving one
> in the foreseeable future. At least they have some experience then.
>
> But I've learned from this thread how rare manual gearboxes are in
> some countries - much rarer than I realised and it surprised me.
> It's the exact opposite here and similar where you are, so such
> licensing is more relevant for us, I suppose.

Scary though when someone who has only ever driven an auto gets into a
manual with no training at all!!! I don't want to be near them.

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dsi1 wrote:
>
> On 6/16/2014 1:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "dsi1" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 6/15/2014 8:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>>> I'm all for self-driving cars. For one thing, tailgaters wouldn't
> >>>> bother me and I'd never have to worry about being cut off.
> >>>
> >>> ...until it developed a fault ... eeeeeek not for me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> New technology is always scary. As it goes, we place our lives into
> >> the hands of computers every day. Most times, they function
> >> flawlessly. It takes a human to really mess things up. My brother says
> >> that most commercial planes land by computer. That's something the
> >> airlines don't want you to know.
> >
> > I won't fly any more. I have done too much of it and hated it every
> > time. I don't need to do it now, thank goodness When we visit
> > daughter and family in Germany we take the overnight ferry and drive.
> >
>
> I don't care much for it either. I can't believe that we still fly in
> planes with propellers.

Planes with propellers are safer.

G.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 22:47:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/15/2014 5:58 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 09:04:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/15/2014 3:36 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> You haven't a clue, or are being intentionally obtuse, not that I
>>>> disagree with that pointless statement. I love how on the defensive
>>>> you are over a ****y gearbox, LOL.
>>>>
>>> Seems that you are the one that would require everyone to learn old
>>> technology in order to drive without it. That is just silly.
>>
>> Come here and tell that to the people who live here.
>> Your statement sounds silly. I don't know anyone whose main vehicle is
>> an auto - modern or not. They make no sense here and are a liability.
>
>Just following your dumb statement that real drivers drive stick shift.
> It doesn't make you a better driver, better person, better anything.

Better person? What?!?

>> You assume something new is better and a manual is 'old' (to an
>> American, apparently) is redundant. You live in a completely different
>> world to where I live.
>
>No shit, don't try to make us drive manual transmissions just because
>you do.

Now I'm trying to MAKE not only you, but everyone else - to drive a
manual?

Before that, all your stupid analogies that I don't like modern
technology just because I believe a manual box is better from a
driving perspective? Never mind that autos have common for at least 50
years now, anyway...

Edward, you're embarrassing yourself in this thread.
In so many ways. You're certainly not the person I thought you were,
you're so childish and defensive over nothing.

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:32:20 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/16/2014 1:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> I won't fly any more. I have done too much of it and hated it every
>> time. I don't need to do it now, thank goodness When we visit
>> daughter and family in Germany we take the overnight ferry and drive.
>
>I don't care much for it either. I can't believe that we still fly in
>planes with propellers.

Why? It's frequently more practical and appropriate than jet engines.

On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:48:21 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On 6/16/2014 1:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> > > ...
>
> > >> On 6/15/2014 8:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> > >>>> I'm all for self-driving cars. For one thing, tailgaters wouldn't
>
> > >>>> bother me and I'd never have to worry about being cut off.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> ...until it developed a fault ... eeeeeek not for me.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >> New technology is always scary. As it goes, we place our lives into
>
> > >> the hands of computers every day. Most times, they function
>
> > >> flawlessly. It takes a human to really mess things up. My brother says
>
> > >> that most commercial planes land by computer. That's something the
>
> > >> airlines don't want you to know.
>
> > >
>
> > > I won't fly any more. I have done too much of it and hated it every
>
> > > time. I don't need to do it now, thank goodness When we visit
>
> > > daughter and family in Germany we take the overnight ferry and drive.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > I don't care much for it either. I can't believe that we still fly in
>
> > planes with propellers.
>
>
>
> Planes with propellers are safer.
>

Than what? Planes without propellers? My guess is that prop planes are a lot more hazardious to your health than jets. I have not researched any of this but my guts tell me that this is so. Are you calling my guts a liar?

>
>
> G.

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:45:15 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 23:40:25 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:20:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"gregz" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stick is a nightmare in stop and go rush hour traffic. Add hills,
>>>>>> forget it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only if you are not used to it.
>>>>
>>>> Fancy describing driving a manual as a 'nightmare'. If it's *that*
>>>> difficult for a normal, able person to do - you'd have to wonder about
>>>> their driving skills. I mean really.
>>>
>>>I suppose it is what you learn with and get used to but I would hate to be
>>>restricted.
>>
>> Yes, hence my point about licensing in some countries. Better to have
>> learned and passed in a manual, even if you don't intend driving one
>> in the foreseeable future. At least they have some experience then.
>>
>> But I've learned from this thread how rare manual gearboxes are in
>> some countries - much rarer than I realised and it surprised me.
>> It's the exact opposite here and similar where you are, so such
>> licensing is more relevant for us, I suppose.
>
>Scary though when someone who has only ever driven an auto gets into a
>manual with no training at all!!! I don't want to be near them.

Agreed. I don't think anyone else would either!

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:11:08 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"dsi1" > wrote in message
>> I thought the pips on the highways were a very good idea. The signs will
>> say to keep a two pip distance between cars. We need that in this country!

What is a pip? Is that like the three second rule? Thats what we use,
anyway.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 23:52:06 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:54:31 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Parallel parking my Landcruiser ute can be difficult in Launceston,
>>> it's quite a bit higher than standard and the ute tray blocks any rear
>>> vision, especially of these newfangled tiny 'shopping trolley' cars,
>>> as they are referred to here as. I just use my mirrors and shop window
>>> reflections to see how close I am to the car behind.
>>
>>I am having probs with my Kia. I am used to being much higher and having
>>a
>>definite 'front' and 'back' The front of this slopes down fast and I
>>can't
>>work out where it stops!!! Well it is still fairly new to me and I tend
>>not
>>to drive it too often ... I am much lower down now and it is hard to see
>>the back BUT I now have a wee camera on the back and I can see on a
>>screen
>>inside how near I am behind.
>>
>>See he
>>
>>http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yada-BT53328.../dp/B007AAUTG8
>>
>>Now if I could just get the hang of that damned bonnet ...
>
> I've noticed that with a lot of smaller new cars, the front visibility
> is often not the best. You can get those parking proximity sensor
> things but I have no idea how useful they actually are.

Thanks, I'll have a look into that. I am getting better though! I have
been taking it out every day for the past week.

> You could put a fibreglass whip antenna or similar on your front
> bumper as a guide, but that's not the most aesthetically pleasing
> solution, I guess.

I thought of that but I can't see anywhere to fix it. These new things
don't have real bumpers



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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:11:08 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:04:05 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:13:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > > wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>> Me either. I'll drive my own car without GPS and all the rest of
>> >> >>> it.
>>
>> >> >>> I
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>> expect to drive my Toyota for the rest of my driving days. :-)
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>I need my GPS. I prefer it not to be built in to the car.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > Why? It is more economical and transferable, but the built in has a
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > bigger screen and it can't be lost or stolen. I have both but only
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > use the Garmin in Europe these days.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I used to have a Garmin Nuvi but it drove me crazy (exterminate,
>>
>> >> exterminate
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> ... err or perhaps it was recalculate, recalculate)
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I prefer a Tom Tom these days Much kinder <g>
>>
>> >>
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>> >
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>> > That thing was a lifesaver when we were in the UK. Too bad it only
>> > worked
>>
>> > locally. Rats!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Loose ends: To clairfy, we do have the amber signal lights in the US.
>> > We
>>
>> > call them "yellow lights" and they warn you when the red light is about
>> > to
>>
>> > come on. There is no warning for green lights.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I thought the pips on the highways were a very good idea. The signs
>> > will
>>
>> > say to keep a two pip distance between cars. We need that in this
>> > country!
>>
>>
>>
>> I am pleased you approve You could start a petition?
>>
>
> I'm more of a wait and pray kind of guy rather than an instigator of
> change. :-)

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