"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/16/2014 4:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>
>> Edward, you're embarrassing yourself in this thread.
>
> Who's Edward?

Scissorhands?

On 2014-06-16 11:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> I heard something on the news a week or two ago about the US thinking
>> about requiring back on cameras on new cars after 2015, a result of an
>> incident where a woman ran over her own child.
>
> There are a couple of hundred deaths a year from backing over someone.
> Very often, it is their own kid.

I am not surprised. Whenever I am in a parking lot I am amazed at the
stupidity of people who walk behind backing vehicles. Some people seem
to actually go out of their way to walk behind cars that are backing out
of parking spaces.

I am not saying that the back up cameras are totally useless, only that
that there are no substitute for using mirrors and turning your head to
both sides to look.
>
> Every car has a blind spot right in back of the trunk or tailgate. Easy
> for a child to be hidden no matter how you look in mirrors or turn you
> head. With a van or SUV, the window is above most young children.

See my comment about people stupidly walking behind vehicles. Children
should be taught not to walk behind backing cars, just like they should
be taught to stop, look and listen when crossing a street.

>
>
> It came
>> with my new CRV and I find it useful only for determining how much space
>> you have behind you. The image is not all that clear and if the lens is
>> covered with dirt, snow or ice you see nothing.
>
> In snow, mine has been obscured, but never dead. I could at least see
> if anything is behind me.

Yours has X Ray capability. In winter, mine was usually impeded to some
degree by ice, frost, salt and road dirt. If there is a couple inches of
snow over it I see nothing.

> Makes backing very easy and the bending lines
> are a great guide. The cross lines are very accurate when backing near
> an object. You can safely get within a couple of inches.
>
> Most useful option on my car.
>

It is useful, but I do not see it as a viable solution to back
accidents. It is IMO, more important to turn your head and use your eyes
and mirrors. Too much concentration on the camera image will distract
you from the other traffic.

On 2014-06-16 10:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> It is a skill you have to practice. When I lived in the city, I could
> park in a spot inches bigger than my car. It was a matter of survival.
> Now that I only do it every couple of months, I need a little more space.


The first time I was in France I saw how they avoid jaywalking. Cars
are parked so close together that pedestrians cannot walk between them.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:27:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:31:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/16/2014 6:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > My bro has it built in, in his car and it was a PITA to use. My SIL
>>>> > was
>>>> > trying to get me to the hospital and the maps weren't updated so the
>>>> > hospital wasn't on there. Also, it wouldn't let her do anything to
>>>> > it
>>>> > while the car was running. I like the portable one because I don't
>>>> > anyone else who has it in their car. I can take it with me and
>>>> > always
>>>> > have it.
>>>>
>>>> They both have advantages and disadvantages, but don't judge them all
>>>> by
>>>> your one bad experience.
>>>> On mine you can go to the POI and one category is hospitals.
>>>>
>>>> You can also program it while moving by either touch screen or voice
>>>> commands. When I put the car in reverse, the screen becomes the
>>>> rearview
>>>> camera view.
>>>
>>> It's not the system's fault if the user doesn't install updates.
>>>
>>As I said... She DID install the updates.
>
>
> You said both:
> My bro has it built in, in his car and it was a PITA to use. My SIL
> was
> trying to get me to the hospital and the maps weren't updated so the
> hospital wasn't on there.

She had updated the maps but... Whatever program the GPS uses did *not*
update at least that portion of the map. The car was purchased just over a
year ago. The hospital has been up and running for at least 3-4 years. She
told me she had just updated the maps but that portion clearly didn't
update. The hospital's address may well have been on the map itself. Not
entirely sure how hers works as it's not the same as mine. She had used the
function on there to find Swedish Hospital. It found all of the Swedish
hospitals but the one where we needed to go.

But bottom line? If it's built in, it's not portable. My bro is the only
person I know who has it in his car like that. So I like to keep mine in my
purse.

On 6/17/2014 7:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> See my comment about people stupidly walking behind vehicles. Children
> should be taught not to walk behind backing cars, just like they should
> be taught to stop, look and listen when crossing a street.

Cars backing up don't get the respect they deserve as being at
a disadvantage, visually. People walk behind, drive behind like
they don't see you. Someone's backing up, just hold on for a
second.

Of course, I've seen people making a 10 point turn just getting
out of a space. Makes me laugh, but if you're that bad, park
farther away and pull through, if you can.

I get nervous if the little one next door is out, not that he's
ever come near my driveway. I just know little ones will toddle
away. I don't want to sound all hardhearted or look at her
talking, she doesn't have kids but ... you are leaving and you
have a toddler, why are they unattended in the driveway? I watch
out for your child, you should, too. Must be a matter of being
so accustomed to having them running around. Imagine the agony
of backing over your child. Very sad.

nancy

On 2014-06-17 9:39 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/17/2014 7:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> See my comment about people stupidly walking behind vehicles. Children
>> should be taught not to walk behind backing cars, just like they should
>> be taught to stop, look and listen when crossing a street.
>
> Cars backing up don't get the respect they deserve as being at
> a disadvantage, visually. People walk behind, drive behind like
> they don't see you. Someone's backing up, just hold on for a
> second.

That is a problem for people like you and me Nancy. We are too sensible.
We see and recognize a hazard and stop. I can't tell you how many times
I have started backing out and been well away of a pedestrian walking
along the lane on my side. I have lots of time to pull out before they
get to the spot I am pulling out of. But then the dullards cross over
to the other side, usually diagonally and right into my path.

> Of course, I've seen people making a 10 point turn just getting
> out of a space. Makes me laugh, but if you're that bad, park
> farther away and pull through, if you can.

I never cease to be amazed at public displays of stupidity and
incompetence. I get a kick out of people who orbit around a section of a
mall parking lot, hoping for a space to open up near the doors. When I
go to the mall or grocery store I grab a space that is convenient to get
in and out of and walk the extra few yards.

The worst case I ever saw was a woman who wanted my space one day when I
had just walked out of the court building. I was putting my court files
away in my brief case and booting the computer for my mobile terminal,
which back then took 5 minutes or more. She honked for me to hurry up,
and I don't know whatever possessed her to think that would work for
her. Then she started honking more. There were lots of spaces around
me. There was room a couple spaces over, and the entire row on the other
side of the row was empty. She wanted my space.

After logging on to the system and making sure my files were all sorted,
and buckling up. I backed out of the space. She honked at me and gave
me the finger, pulled into my space, then got out and walked into the
gym. That twit had waited close to ten minutes for my parking space so
that she could save ten steps on her way into the gym for a workout.


>
> I get nervous if the little one next door is out, not that he's
> ever come near my driveway. I just know little ones will toddle
> away. I don't want to sound all hardhearted or look at her
> talking, she doesn't have kids but ... you are leaving and you
> have a toddler, why are they unattended in the driveway? I watch
> out for your child, you should, too. Must be a matter of being
> so accustomed to having them running around.

There is a woman who lives a few doors down from friends of ours who
puts traffic cones out on the street so that her children can play on
the road. He said something to her and she yammered something about him
not caring about the safety of young children. I would suggest that she
had it backwards. He was the one who was concerned about safety and she
was the one putting the kids at risk.


> Imagine the agony
> of backing over your child. Very sad.


Our neighbour felt bad enough when she backed over her dog. Then there
was the lady who was dating my late brother in law. She managed to run
herself over. I never did understand exactly how she managed to do that
but she ended up with a broken leg.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:28:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:45:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:17:42 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:56:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are
> >> >> >>> just
> >> >> >>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you.
> >> >> >>> You
> >> >> >>> might
> >> >> >>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
> >> >> >> something guys like to brag about using.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why on earth would 'guys' brag about cruise control????
> >> >
> >> > You tell me. The only time I see it mentioned here it's a male
> >> > poster.
> >>
> >> Ahem! I'm not a male.
> >
> > Have you ever been the first one to talk about it? That's my point.
> > Sure there are always "me toos" but the first one to bring it up is
> > always a male. Women simply don't have the need to bring it up like
> > that.
>
> Yeah. I brought it up in this very thread!

Again, you missed the point. You were a "me too".

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/17/2014 7:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> I am not saying that the back up cameras are totally useless, only that
> that there are no substitute for using mirrors and turning your head to
> both sides to look.
>>
>> Every car has a blind spot right in back of the trunk or tailgate. Easy
>> for a child to be hidden no matter how you look in mirrors or turn you
>> head. With a van or SUV, the window is above most young children.
>
> See my comment about people stupidly walking behind vehicles. Children
> should be taught not to walk behind backing cars, just like they should
> be taught to stop, look and listen when crossing a street.

Often it is kids playing in their own driveway. Just a couple of months
ago, a woman in an SUV stopped at the bank and her three kids were in
the back seat. One had to get out to get something but mom did not see
that two got out. She heard the door close, saw the daughter,but did
not see the other kid picking up something he dropped in back of the
car. Looked in the mirror and ran over the other kid. A camera would
have shown he was there. Yes, she should have checked but a long list
of "should haves" is too late.



>>
>> In snow, mine has been obscured, but never dead. I could at least see
>> if anything is behind me.
>
> Yours has X Ray capability. In winter, mine was usually impeded to some
> degree by ice, frost, salt and road dirt. If there is a couple inches of
> snow over it I see nothing.

Never gets snow on top, onlhy some back spray from driving, It is
mounted under the lip of the trunk just over the license plate. If it
does get murky, a quick wipe with a finger cleans it for next time I'm
backing out.

>
>> Makes backing very easy and the bending lines
>> are a great guide. The cross lines are very accurate when backing near
>> an object. You can safely get within a couple of inches.
>>
>> Most useful option on my car.
>>
>
> It is useful, but I do not see it as a viable solution to back
> accidents. It is IMO, more important to turn your head and use your eyes
> and mirrors. Too much concentration on the camera image will distract
> you from the other traffic.

Disagree. No matter how much you look in the mirrors, you don't see the
blind spot that kills kids. I'm willing to bet anyone that I can have
something in back of their car that they will not see unless they
actually walk to the back. Trash can, bike, your toddler, anything
close to the car and below the deck. You have a pretty poor line of
sight. Cameras eliminate the blind spot. Yes, you still have to look
for cross traffic..

On 6/17/2014 7:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> It is useful, but I do not see it as a viable solution to back
> accidents. It is IMO, more important to turn your head and use your eyes
> and mirrors. Too much concentration on the camera image will distract
> you from the other traffic.

I'm a head-turner. I check the rear and both side mirrors and still
look over my shoulders to see if anyone/anything is behind me before I
start backing out of a parking space.

I drive a small car. I try to park well away from big SUV's, vans and
ridiculously big pickup trucks. Invariably, when I get back to my car,
there are these huge vehicles on either side of my car. I'm *very*
careful when backing out.

You (the collective you) can install all the gadgets and cameras you
want to in your cars. They don't make up for a lack of commen sense,
caution and basic driving skills.

Jill

On 6/17/2014 7:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/16/2014 4:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Edward, you're embarrassing yourself in this thread.
>>
>> Who's Edward?
>
> Scissorhands?


Could be

There is also
Edgar
Edwin
Eduardo
Eddie
Edwyne
Eden
Edberto
Eddison
Eddy
....and many more that use Ed

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Often it is kids playing in their own driveway. Just a couple of months
> ago, a woman in an SUV stopped at the bank and her three kids were in
> the back seat. One had to get out to get something but mom did not see
> that two got out. She heard the door close, saw the daughter,but did
> not see the other kid picking up something he dropped in back of the
> car. Looked in the mirror and ran over the other kid. A camera would
> have shown he was there. Yes, she should have checked but a long list
> of "should haves" is too late.

People run over their pets too.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/16/2014 5:22 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:46:24 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:17:42 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:56:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
>>>>>> something guys like to brag about using.
>>>>
>>>> Why on earth would 'guys' brag about cruise control????
>>>
>>> You tell me. The only time I see it mentioned here it's a male
>>> poster.
>>
>> I am not male and I have made comment. So has Nancy.
>
> I love my cruise control, use it all the time on the highway, that way
> I don't get tickets. I don't exactly plan to speed, it just 'happens'
> lol
>
> I love gadgets, especially technical ones, I can spend hours in Future
> Shop, Staples, Best Buy etc but rarely go through the doors of
> clothing stores. Buy my clothing online, easier and it gets delivered
> to my door.

Same here, I love to check out gadgets and I have a weakness for
hardware stores, but that is about it. I do not like shopping at all,
most especially clothes shopping.

Becca

On 6/17/2014 1:57 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 6/16/2014 5:22 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:46:24 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:17:42 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:56:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
>>>>>>> something guys like to brag about using.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why on earth would 'guys' brag about cruise control????
>>>>
>>>> You tell me. The only time I see it mentioned here it's a male
>>>> poster.
>>>
>>> I am not male and I have made comment. So has Nancy.
>>
>> I love my cruise control, use it all the time on the highway, that way
>> I don't get tickets. I don't exactly plan to speed, it just 'happens'
>> lol
>>
>> I love gadgets, especially technical ones, I can spend hours in Future
>> Shop, Staples, Best Buy etc but rarely go through the doors of
>> clothing stores. Buy my clothing online, easier and it gets delivered
>> to my door.
>
> Same here, I love to check out gadgets and I have a weakness for
> hardware stores, but that is about it. I do not like shopping at all,
> most especially clothes shopping.

I buy a lot of day-to-day clothing online but not shoes since the few
times I have tried online have been disasters. Well, disaster is a
pretty strong word but bad-fitting might be better and it's a nuisance
to return things.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:57:01 -0500, Ema Nymton >
wrote:

> I have a weakness for hardware stores

Me too!


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/17/2014 1:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-17 5:47 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 6/16/2014 1:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks. Sounds like a good idea.
>>>
>>> Another good idea - not sure if on roads O/S or not - is 'bumps' on
>>> the edges of the road, to make your tyres make a lot of noise, in case
>>> you've nodded off and are veering off the road. They are not on all of
>>> our roads, just the long distance, boring stretches where these sort
>>> of accidents commonly happen.
>>>
>> Those bumps on the road was invented in the US and are called "Bott's
>> dots" I kid you not. They were the solution for having road dividers
>> that had more visibility under different conditions. Waking up sleeping
>> drivers was purely unintentional.
>
> I think he was referring to the rumble strips on the shoulder side of
> the road, which we designed to alert drowsy drivers that they are going
> off the road.
>

You're right about that. Rumble strips are cool. I wish we had more of
those things here.

On 6/17/2014 1:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-17 12:09 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:19:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I can't see back up cameras being much use for that. There are too many
>>> other places that people should be looking when backing up. A driver
>>> looking in the mirrors and looking out windows should be better able to
>>> spot something moving in behind them than a back up camera. It came
>>> with my new CRV and I find it useful only for determining how much space
>>> you have behind you. The image is not all that clear and if the lens is
>>> covered with dirt, snow or ice you see nothing.
>>
>> My DD's car came with that feature. It's a wide view and there are
>> parallel lines to show the track where the car is backing.
>>
>
>
> Mine has three different settings, all of them making objects further
> away than the appear on the screen. I had to get out and compare the
> actual distance with what it showed. When using it, it is really only
> good to show that you are really close to something. There is a space
> visible you didn't hit it.
>
> It is of no use for checking to see if there are people, animals or
> vehicles approaching from the sides.

They would be really useful for parallel parking. They can be useful for
checking for critters behind you if it has a wide angle lens. My dad has
a Dodge Journey with a high mounted camera with a wide angle lens. It's
pretty cool.

As far as those in dash displays goes, I found them to be really
distracting. I tried the Ford SYNC system. The touch screen is
unreliable and it feels like there's an Intel processor inside -
unfortunately, it appears to be a 486 DX. As an added bonus, it proudly
proclaims that it's "Powered by Microsoft." :-)

On 2014-06-17 1:28 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Often it is kids playing in their own driveway. Just a couple of months
>> ago, a woman in an SUV stopped at the bank and her three kids were in
>> the back seat. One had to get out to get something but mom did not see
>> that two got out. She heard the door close, saw the daughter,but did
>> not see the other kid picking up something he dropped in back of the
>> car. Looked in the mirror and ran over the other kid. A camera would
>> have shown he was there. Yes, she should have checked but a long list
>> of "should haves" is too late.
>
> People run over their pets too.
>


Mom with three kids in the car, didn't check when she got back it....
are you sure a camera is going to help?

On 6/17/2014 9:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-17 9:39 AM, Nancy Young wrote:


>> Cars backing up don't get the respect they deserve as being at
>> a disadvantage, visually. People walk behind, drive behind like
>> they don't see you. Someone's backing up, just hold on for a
>> second.
>
> That is a problem for people like you and me Nancy. We are too sensible.
> We see and recognize a hazard and stop.

That's a big part of being a driver, pedestrians might want to
give it a try, too.

> I can't tell you how many times
> I have started backing out and been well away of a pedestrian walking
> along the lane on my side. I have lots of time to pull out before they
> get to the spot I am pulling out of. But then the dullards cross over
> to the other side, usually diagonally and right into my path.

(laugh) I've seen that one, too.
>
>> Of course, I've seen people making a 10 point turn just getting
>> out of a space. Makes me laugh, but if you're that bad, park
>> farther away and pull through, if you can.
>
> I never cease to be amazed at public displays of stupidity and
> incompetence. I get a kick out of people who orbit around a section of a
> mall parking lot, hoping for a space to open up near the doors. When I
> go to the mall or grocery store I grab a space that is convenient to get
> in and out of and walk the extra few yards.

Ditto. If nothing else, I am too lazy to bother looking for a
close spot. Whatever's easiest.

> The worst case I ever saw was a woman who wanted my space one day when I
> had just walked out of the court building. I was putting my court files
> away in my brief case and booting the computer for my mobile terminal,
> which back then took 5 minutes or more. She honked for me to hurry up,
> and I don't know whatever possessed her to think that would work for
> her. Then she started honking more. There were lots of spaces around
> me. There was room a couple spaces over, and the entire row on the other
> side of the row was empty. She wanted my space.

I would maybe wonder about that scenario if I hadn't seen it for
myself, it's so ridiculous. You're creating a traffic jam, people
trying to get by, and there is a spot Right There. The mind boggles.

> After logging on to the system and making sure my files were all sorted,
> and buckling up. I backed out of the space. She honked at me and gave
> me the finger, pulled into my space, then got out and walked into the
> gym. That twit had waited close to ten minutes for my parking space so
> that she could save ten steps on her way into the gym for a workout.

I don't get it. If spaces were limited, maybe I'd understand.

>> out for your child, you should, too. Must be a matter of being
>> so accustomed to having them running around.
>
> There is a woman who lives a few doors down from friends of ours who
> puts traffic cones out on the street so that her children can play on
> the road.

Because that's what you want to teach your children, don't worry
about playing in the street, cars will stop for you, no problem.

> He said something to her and she yammered something about him
> not caring about the safety of young children. I would suggest that she
> had it backwards. He was the one who was concerned about safety and she
> was the one putting the kids at risk.

Some people have the children at play warning thing, I say if
your children aren't old enough to know to watch out for cars,
they shouldn't be playing by the street. Not all drivers are
watching the road, we've established that.

> Our neighbour felt bad enough when she backed over her dog. Then there
> was the lady who was dating my late brother in law. She managed to run
> herself over. I never did understand exactly how she managed to do that
> but she ended up with a broken leg.

People like that make me feel really confident about my driving.
(laugh) I'm better than that lady who ran herself over!

nancy

On 2014-06-17 3:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> I think he was referring to the rumble strips on the shoulder side of
>> the road, which we designed to alert drowsy drivers that they are going
>> off the road.
>>
>
> You're right about that. Rumble strips are cool. I wish we had more of
> those things here.


A friend of ours in one the regional government. I recently asked him
who was the rocket scientist who arranged for rumble strips along the
sides of the next road over from us. It is a very popular route for
bicyclists and they could have but in a proper bike lane or at least a
wide enough paved shoulder for cyclist. It is a 50 kph (30mph) zone and
there are stop signs every mile, not the type of road when you need
ruble strips.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" wrote:
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It's usually called yellow but I have heard the it referred to as amber.
> >
> > I guess that what they mean by "amber alert" that all y'alls keep talking
> > about. (-:
>
> Yep!

Not at all, Julie. The Amber Alert has nothing to do with color. I did
know this already but I looked up the details just now.

"AMBER is officially a backronym for
America's Missing: Broadcast Emergency Response,
but was named for Amber Hagerman, a 9-year-old abducted
and murdered in Arlington, Texas, in 1996."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/16/2014 1:45 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Ahem! I'm not a male.
> >
> > Holy shit! You're kidding right?!
>
> Nope.

LMAO! And responses like this are exactly why you get teased so much
here, Julie. ;-D

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> But bottom line? If it's built in, it's not portable. My bro is the only
> person I know who has it in his car like that. So I like to keep mine in my
> purse.

So you carry your GPS in your purse. I love it. Do you not know your
area? Do you need it to find your way back to your car after shopping
in the mall. wth?

On 6/17/2014 9:54 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-17 3:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> I think he was referring to the rumble strips on the shoulder side of
>>> the road, which we designed to alert drowsy drivers that they are going
>>> off the road.
>>>
>>
>> You're right about that. Rumble strips are cool. I wish we had more of
>> those things here.
>
>
> A friend of ours in one the regional government. I recently asked him
> who was the rocket scientist who arranged for rumble strips along the
> sides of the next road over from us. It is a very popular route for
> bicyclists and they could have but in a proper bike lane or at least a
> wide enough paved shoulder for cyclist. It is a 50 kph (30mph) zone and
> there are stop signs every mile, not the type of road when you need
> ruble strips.

I read an interesting article about how cyclists are now allowed in some
cities to do proceed cautiously through stop signs. It think this is a
good idea since it conserves momentum and anyway, why the heck should
cops be the only ones allowed to do this. :-)

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:55:17 -0300, wrote:

> I mostly buy Skechers and their sizing is always accurate

I need new shoes so badly, but hate the neon colors they put on
athletic shoes today. I'd just seen a sketchers commercial on TV and
then you recommended them. Thanks!

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 2014-06-17 3:54 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I never cease to be amazed at public displays of stupidity and
>> incompetence. I get a kick out of people who orbit around a section of a
>> mall parking lot, hoping for a space to open up near the doors. When I
>> go to the mall or grocery store I grab a space that is convenient to get
>> in and out of and walk the extra few yards.
>
> Ditto. If nothing else, I am too lazy to bother looking for a
> close spot. Whatever's easiest.
>
>> The worst case I ever saw was a woman who wanted my space one day when I
>> had just walked out of the court building. I was putting my court files
>> away in my brief case and booting the computer for my mobile terminal,
>> which back then took 5 minutes or more. She honked for me to hurry up,
>> and I don't know whatever possessed her to think that would work for
>> her. Then she started honking more. There were lots of spaces around
>> me. There was room a couple spaces over, and the entire row on the other
>> side of the row was empty. She wanted my space.
>
> I would maybe wonder about that scenario if I hadn't seen it for
> myself, it's so ridiculous. You're creating a traffic jam, people
> trying to get by, and there is a spot Right There. The mind boggles.

She wasn't blocking anyone. Court ran late that day. All the nearby
offices were closed for the day and most of the cars were gone. There
were just a few vehicles left. There were empty spots a few spaces over
and the entire row behind me. She could have saved 10 minutes and taken
those extra 10-15 steps.... on her way to the gym to work out.

I thought thought it was funny enough that she was being such an ass
about wanting the space I was in. I did have things to do in my car
before I left. I had to make some notes and file my informations. Some
had been dealt with that day and there were convictions, and they went
in one file folder. Others had been adjourned to another date, so they
went into another file folder. It wasn't like I was just sitting there
doing nothing. However, it cracked me up when I saw the scoot into the
gym with her gym bag. It was a wake up call to how idiotic some people are.



>> gym. That twit had waited close to ten minutes for my parking space so
>> that she could save ten steps on her way into the gym for a workout.
>
> I don't get it. If spaces were limited, maybe I'd understand.

That was what made it so funny. There were lots of spaces available.
There were spaces a couple spots over from me and the whole row behind
me. It was my spot she was demanding.
>
>>> out for your child, you should, too. Must be a matter of being
>>> so accustomed to having them running around.
>>
>> There is a woman who lives a few doors down from friends of ours who
>> puts traffic cones out on the street so that her children can play on
>> the road.
>
> Because that's what you want to teach your children, don't worry
> about playing in the street, cars will stop for you, no problem.

That works great.... until someone comes along not paying attention,
drunk, texting, on a cell phone..... wham.... no more kid.
>
> > He said something to her and she yammered something about him
>> not caring about the safety of young children. I would suggest that she
>> had it backwards. He was the one who was concerned about safety and she
>> was the one putting the kids at risk.
>
> Some people have the children at play warning thing, I say if
> your children aren't old enough to know to watch out for cars,
> they shouldn't be playing by the street. Not all drivers are
> watching the road, we've established that.

Exactly. There was a recent issue here about skateboards on the town
roads..... actually long boards. Two summers ago I used to see the
screwing around down the street from me. They would be zig zagging back
and forth across the road. They would come flying our from side
streets, and pull stunts that often saw their boards go flying away
toward traffic. I thought it would be a matter of time before one of
them got hit. Sure enough, early in the fall, one of them was riding
along way out near the middle of the road. A woman driver was distracted
by her infant.... didn't see the kid, so he was killed.



>> Our neighbour felt bad enough when she backed over her dog. Then there
>> was the lady who was dating my late brother in law. She managed to run
>> herself over. I never did understand exactly how she managed to do that
>> but she ended up with a broken leg.
>
> People like that make me feel really confident about my driving.
> (laugh) I'm better than that lady who ran herself over!

That is just one of many strange stories about that woman.

On 2014-06-17 4:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> A friend of ours in one the regional government. I recently asked him
>> who was the rocket scientist who arranged for rumble strips along the
>> sides of the next road over from us. It is a very popular route for
>> bicyclists and they could have but in a proper bike lane or at least a
>> wide enough paved shoulder for cyclist. It is a 50 kph (30mph) zone and
>> there are stop signs every mile, not the type of road when you need
>> ruble strips.
>
> I read an interesting article about how cyclists are now allowed in some
> cities to do proceed cautiously through stop signs. It think this is a
> good idea since it conserves momentum and anyway, why the heck should
> cops be the only ones allowed to do this. :-)


Nuts to that. All drivers should be able to assume that all other
drivers, including cyclists will be abiding by the rules of the road.
They are out for exercise so the little extra effort to get going again
can only help. I confess that on the local rural roads I slow down at
stop signs. I only come to a full stop of there is other traffic. Most
of the cyclists around here go flying through stop signs and traffic
lights. I was out on a 20 mile mile bike right today and while riding in
a bike lane, some idiot cyclist blew threw a stop sign veered through
traffic and was righting the wrong direction in my lane. I think he
expected me to move out of his way and to not say anything.

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:16:39 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:51:25 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> Another good idea - not sure if on roads O/S or not - is 'bumps' on
>> the edges of the road, to make your tyres make a lot of noise, in case
>> you've nodded off and are veering off the road. They are not on all of
>> our roads, just the long distance, boring stretches where these sort
>> of accidents commonly happen.
>
>That's old school. The new type is parallel line type indentations
>that make the hum to wake you up if you drive over them. It's less
>expensive, because they are stamped.

I've also seen that here on the Aus. mainland.

Not sure that we have any at all on Tasmanian roads though, as there
are so few long, straight stretches of road here. Can't recall
actually seeing any here, now that I think of it.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:51:16 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> We call them that too but they are also called Traffic Calming Devices.
>
>Yes, I hate the things.

Me too, and I find the term 'traffic calming' highly ironic.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:07:29 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > But bottom line? If it's built in, it's not portable. My bro is the only
> > person I know who has it in his car like that. So I like to keep mine in my
> > purse.
>
> So you carry your GPS in your purse. I love it. Do you not know your
> area? Do you need it to find your way back to your car after shopping
> in the mall. wth?

Is the area where you live that simple to navigate? We have lots of
one way streets and dead ends. They rename a few blocks of one long
street something else and frankly, I don't keep up with that baloney
so I need GPS when I'm in parts of town I'm not familiar with. I also
need it when I leave town and want go somewhere off my usual beaten
path.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:50:58 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-06-17 1:28 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> A camera would
> >> have shown he was there. Yes, she should have checked but a long list
> >> of "should haves" is too late.
> >
> > People run over their pets too.
> >
>
>
> Mom with three kids in the car, didn't check when she got back it....
> are you sure a camera is going to help?

Near misses don't make the news. I bet more people and pets are alive
than dead because of it.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:28:02 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:55:17 -0300, wrote:
>
>
>
> > I mostly buy Skechers and their sizing is always accurate
>
>
>
> I need new shoes so badly, but hate the neon colors they put on
>
> athletic shoes today. I'd just seen a sketchers commercial on TV and
>
> then you recommended them. Thanks!
>
>
>
> --
>
> I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila



and just so you know, there is a Sketchers outlet in El Cerrito. I don't care for outlet stores, but this one is pretty good, maybe because it isn't in an outlet mall.

Nellie

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:36:45 -0300, wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:28:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:55:17 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >> I mostly buy Skechers and their sizing is always accurate
> >
> >I need new shoes so badly, but hate the neon colors they put on
> >athletic shoes today. I'd just seen a sketchers commercial on TV and
> >then you recommended them. Thanks!
>
> I know they have a plain black pair that is always in but I love the
> bright ones.

I was looking at their Mary Janes and they come in a plethora of
neutral colors. I could use all of them, but I need to see how they
fit first. I have a high arch and it's hard to make straps like that
fit over the top of my foot.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:54:30 AM UTC-10, Je�us wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:32:20 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>> >On 6/16/2014 1:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> >> I won't fly any more. I have done too much of it and hated it every
>>
>> >> time. I don't need to do it now, thank goodness When we visit
>>
>> >> daughter and family in Germany we take the overnight ferry and drive.
>>
>> >I don't care much for it either. I can't believe that we still fly in
>>
>> >planes with propellers.
>>
>> Why? It's frequently more practical and appropriate than jet engines.
>
>You are totally correct about practical and appropriate. OTOH, I don't like the noise and vibration that we have to endure inside the cabin. It has a feeling of crudeness like an old diesel engine car.

I know the roughest ride I've had was in a large prop plane through a
tropical storm. Never been car or air sick, but I nearly was that day.
Everyone else was sick or almost sick... what a ride

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:39:56 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:17:42 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:56:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"sf" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are just
>> >>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You might
>> >>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>> >>
>> >> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
>> >> something guys like to brag about using.
>>
>> Why on earth would 'guys' brag about cruise control????
>
>You tell me. The only time I see it mentioned here it's a male
>poster.

Err, O.K.

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:05:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>Like I said - you're one heck of a gal or more properly, lassie. I don't use the word lassie much because over here "Lassie" is a dog on TV. :-)

That dog must have one incredible veterinarian.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:06:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:


>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:45:58 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Males like gadgets and widgets, females don't seem to care. Why the
>>> > heck
>>> > don't they care about gadgets and widgets!?
>>> >
>>>
>>> I do <g>
>>
>> Except you resist the compulsion to bring them up here.
>
>Compulsion? We are discussing cars and their components. I am a bit
>confused here ...

As am I, although I've also come to expect that from sf

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:06:37 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>> I love gadgets, especially technical ones, I can spend hours in Future
>> Shop, Staples, Best Buy etc but rarely go through the doors of
>> clothing stores. Buy my clothing online, easier and it gets delivered
>> to my door.
>
>Pretty much the same for me

Every now and then I'll get a new gadget. This is my latest one...
Yes, so I can be mischeiveous at times... <shrug>

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pdf9bqf

or

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/M202-3G-W...vip=true&rt=nc

On 2014-06-17 6:16 PM, sf wrote:
>
>> Mom with three kids in the car, didn't check when she got back it....
>> are you sure a camera is going to help?
>
> Near misses don't make the news. I bet more people and pets are alive
> than dead because of it.
>


What I imagine would happen more is if people spent too much time
concentrating on the camera and neglected to look and see people or
vehicles approaching from the side.

As for the people who get hit by backing vehicles..... many of them are
Darwin Award candidates. I see it all the time. Someone is backing out
of a parking space and some rocket scientist pedestrian walks behind
them. I don't know about you, but I am very careful about walking
behind backing vehicles. Any adult who sees a vehicle backing and walks
behind it deserves to be hit. People with young children should be
watching them and should be teaching them some safety common sense.
Back up cameras are handy for seeing how far it is to the end of your
parking space. They are not yet big enough and good enough to
substitute for turning your head and looking or using your mirrors.
People staring at their back up displays will miss the important stuff.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:05:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:43:10 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:11:08 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>> I thought the pips on the highways were a very good idea. The signs
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> say to keep a two pip distance between cars. We need that in this
>>>>>> country!
>>>>
>>>> What is a pip? Is that like the three second rule? Thats what we use,
>>>> anyway.
>>>
>>>I assumed he means by the markings on the road. I haven't seen them up
>>>here but I have in the south of England. There are markings on the road
>>>and
>>>instructions to keep two markings between you and the car in front.
>>
>> Thanks. Sounds like a good idea.
>>
>> Another good idea - not sure if on roads O/S or not - is 'bumps' on
>> the edges of the road, to make your tyres make a lot of noise, in case
>> you've nodded off and are veering off the road. They are not on all of
>> our roads, just the long distance, boring stretches where these sort
>> of accidents commonly happen.
>
>We have those too but I don't think they are in too many roads. What we
>call 'speed bumps' are those huge lumps across the road to slow you down

We have those too.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:14:29 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:

> '72 Fiat 124 Spyder in under three years.

Hubby drove a 124 Spider for 15 years and absolutely loved it. I
liked it because I could park it anywhere, which is something I hadn't
been able to do until we got a brand new Fiat 500 as a loaner. Boy,
did that little thing bring back the memories!


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila