"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:37:35 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> No regular people can do that, it's impossible. Requires
>>>> a special map folding guide available only to professionals.
>>>
>>> I figured it out.
>>
>> I had to. When I first came up here there were no openings in my field
>> and I took a post in an oil and gas exploration company. There were a
>> lot of maps there)
>
> I think the frustration comes when you think it should be easy and just
> start folding. That doesn't work until you know the sequence in which to
> do it. All you have to do is look at the creases and see which ones are
> the deepest.

The ones I got were fresh printed and I folded them from scratch! That took
some practice I can tell you.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In article >,
says...
>
> On 6/21/2014 4:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
>
>
> >
> > Maps may work for you but they don't for me.
>
>
> I like maps. Sometimes at lunch I'll open the Road Atlas and look at it
> while eating, same as many of you would read a book or magazine.
>
> Before GPS and computers, I'd lay out a route for a trip and my wife
> would do the navigation on the road.

We still do that. Detailed mapreading was a skill I was taught in
school and he learned in Scouts. My husband has an Ordnance Survey map
for every part of Britain. Away from home, we use Ordnance Survey maps
to explore. In the car, we use the AA British Road Atlas.

When J retired the children gave him a brand new British Road Atlas..
they couldn't believe we were still using one so ancient it predated UK
motorways :-)

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>

> The next generation won't have a clue. I guess they won't be able to
> figure out how to wipe their butts without instructions from an
> electronic device. Pretty sad, really.

They can already buy an automated lavatory which does all that for
them; a warm wash and dry before they get up.

:-(

Janet UK

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 07:20:28 +0000 (UTC), gregz >
wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:46:50 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you are driving with cruise control it does feel like you are just
>>>> steering but... You do have to be aware of things around you. You might
>>>> need to apply the brakes. The car won't do that for you.
>>>
>>> My cars have cruise control, but I've never used it. I think it's
>>> something guys like to brag about using.
>>
>> I don't see any reason to brag about it. There are advantages to using
>> it on the highway. You get better gas mileage, you keep at a
>> consistent speed and don't drift upward where you can get a speeding
>> ticket, it keeps your leg from cramping on a long drive.
>>
>> It is not something you use in town or in heavy traffic.
>>
>> On my commute to work there are two ten mile stretches where it is
>> easy to drift up in your speed. They are heavily patrolled, but on
>> cruise, I've never gotten a ticket because my speed drifted 2 mph
>> higher than it should be. To me, CC is a money saver. Good for the
>> arthritis in my knees too.
>
>Around here, you don't get best mileage on cruise. If the cruise would slow
>down going up hills, and speed up downhills, it would save. I often wonder
>why they don't have a save gas button for hilly country.

Idiot. Maintaining the same speed on grades saves the most fuel, and
is safest... do you really want your vehicle to coast downhill... in
fact cruise control is designed so that if you apply your brakes it
cuts out.

On 6/21/2014 11:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> It is a very handy accessory. I can drive to any state and never look
> at a map. I could get to most major cities just reading the road signs.
> But once there, the nav sure makes it east to find 236 Park Street.

Yeah, I really don't need a GPS to tell me to take Route 80
for 500 miles. I'm good. At some point I need directions to
get to the exact place I'm going. If I don't have a local map,
I sure need directions.

This reminded me of a funny thing. We were driving since 5am
on the way to Michigan. Hours go by, finally it's my turn to
drive, so we pull over at a rest stop. He goes to sleep and
I'm on the road. Suddenly I see a sign, Jersey Shore however
many miles. (*&(*& How did I manage to get turned around????
He's going to be mad when he wakes up.

Just a little Pennsylvania prank, naming a town Jersey Shore.

nancy

On 6/22/14, 3:20 AM, gregz wrote:

> Around here, you don't get best mileage on cruise. If the cruise would slow
> down going up hills, and speed up downhills, it would save....

It wouldn't save your life, because the other drivers holding steady
speeds would kill you. 8

And it probably wouldn't save any gas. As it is, you use extra gas
holding speed uphill, and save gas running easily downhill. I've never
seen an actual analysis of relative consumption, though.

-- Larry

On 6/22/2014 3:20 AM, gregz wrote:

> Around here, you don't get best mileage on cruise. If the cruise would slow
> down going up hills, and speed up downhills, it would save. I often wonder
> why they don't have a save gas button for hilly country.

I've never even bothered with cruise control in my last few cars,
so I thought that the hill problem was just with my Peugeot.
Are they all like that? You're cruise control, you're supposed
to maintain the speed!

nancy

On 6/22/2014 3:20 AM, gregz wrote:

> Around here, you don't get best mileage on cruise. If the cruise would slow
> down going up hills, and speed up downhills, it would save. I often wonder
> why they don't have a save gas button for hilly country.
>
> Greg
>

Why would you want to slow down going up a hill? That could actually be
dangerous. Every car I've ever had would speed up going down as they
don't put the brakes on. The new adaptive may be different though.

On 6/22/2014 9:15 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

> This reminded me of a funny thing. We were driving since 5am
> on the way to Michigan. Hours go by, finally it's my turn to
> drive, so we pull over at a rest stop. He goes to sleep and
> I'm on the road. Suddenly I see a sign, Jersey Shore however
> many miles. (*&(*& How did I manage to get turned around????
> He's going to be mad when he wakes up.
>
> Just a little Pennsylvania prank, naming a town Jersey Shore.
>
On a lake?

On 6/22/2014 10:50 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 6/22/2014 9:15 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> This reminded me of a funny thing. We were driving since 5am
>> on the way to Michigan. Hours go by, finally it's my turn to
>> drive, so we pull over at a rest stop. He goes to sleep and
>> I'm on the road. Suddenly I see a sign, Jersey Shore however
>> many miles. (*&(*& How did I manage to get turned around????
>> He's going to be mad when he wakes up.
>>
>> Just a little Pennsylvania prank, naming a town Jersey Shore.
>>
> On a lake?
>
Got me. I just know it's nowhere near the Jersey Shore.

Okay, I see it's on a river, and Jersey Shore was a nickname
until it was formally adopted.

I was just relieved I hadn't inadvertently added two hours to
an already long drive.

nancy

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:15:37 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 6/21/2014 11:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> It is a very handy accessory. I can drive to any state and never look
>> at a map. I could get to most major cities just reading the road signs.
>> But once there, the nav sure makes it east to find 236 Park Street.
>
>Yeah, I really don't need a GPS to tell me to take Route 80
>for 500 miles. I'm good. At some point I need directions to
>get to the exact place I'm going. If I don't have a local map,
>I sure need directions.
>
>This reminded me of a funny thing. We were driving since 5am
>on the way to Michigan. Hours go by, finally it's my turn to
>drive, so we pull over at a rest stop. He goes to sleep and
>I'm on the road. Suddenly I see a sign, Jersey Shore however
>many miles. (*&(*& How did I manage to get turned around????
>He's going to be mad when he wakes up.
>
>Just a little Pennsylvania prank, naming a town Jersey Shore.
>
>nancy

My Garmin is very handy for finding my way through big city streets...
I can find my way all over NYC without GPS, from growing up there and
riding my bike everywhere, but I'd get lost around Albany NY without
my Garmin. NYC has very recognizable landmarks everywhere, I don't
recognize any around here, one wooded hill looks the same as another.
And I've discovered that about 10% of the time the Garmin is incorrect
at finding a particular address, a few times it directed me to the
opposite side of the road. Garmin asks that you report errors so they
can make corrections. GPS is amazing technology, however I still
saved all my paper maps, I find them invaluable as a visual reference
for distance and directional relationships over large areas.

On 2014-06-21 11:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> That is what we did) We have fallen into the SatNav thing now
>> though We still have maps which we take with us though and I do
>> consult them sometimes when we are going on a long run. If something
>> happened to the SatNav we would be lost without them
>
> It is a very handy accessory. I can drive to any state and never look
> at a map. I could get to most major cities just reading the road signs.
> But once there, the nav sure makes it east to find 236 Park Street.

I never felt much of a need for a GPS in my car but I got one for my
wife because she is geographically challenged. I have used it a few
times just to compare which routes it will send me on compared to which
one I would normally take.

I have to say that I found it very handy one day when we went to my
great nephew's christening in the north end of Toronto. When we left the
church I punched in our nephew's address, which was a little tricky due
to a number of one way streets that have been rude surprises in the
past. I was pleased at how quickly it got us there. The only problem i
had was when we were travelling along Hwy 401 and it kept telling me to
go to the express lane and then the collector lanes, back and forth.

We had something interesting happen in the way in. I had it set for the
main intersection close to the church and it gave an ETA of 11:55. We
had left home and were making good time. The speed limit was 100 kph
and I was doing about 115. About half way there it suddenly recalculated
and changed the ETA to 11:59. That made no sense to me because I was
going 15 kph over and I figured that it should have given an earlier
time to reflect the higher speed. Son of a gun. When we got to that
destination intersection I looked at the clock and it was 11:59.

>

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:22:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 6/22/2014 3:20 AM, gregz wrote:
>
>> Around here, you don't get best mileage on cruise. If the cruise would slow
>> down going up hills, and speed up downhills, it would save. I often wonder
>> why they don't have a save gas button for hilly country.
>
>I've never even bothered with cruise control in my last few cars,
>so I thought that the hill problem was just with my Peugeot.
>Are they all like that? You're cruise control, you're supposed
>to maintain the speed!

With cruise control you can accelerate with the gas pedal and as soon
as you take your foot off it will automatically return to the preset
speed, but if you hit the brake that cancels the cruise control so you
will begin to slow to a stop unless you press the "Resume Speed"
button. There's no reason for a "save gas" button on hilly roads,
maintaining a constant speed saves the most fuel... and it would be
terribly unsafe coasting down hill. On hilly roads the ups and downs
average out.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > The next generation won't have a clue. I guess they won't be able to
> > figure out how to wipe their butts without instructions from an electronic
> > device. Pretty sad, really.
>
> Oh dear, I wish you hadn't given me that picture! 'Take piece of toilet
> paper ... '

You don't know about the two shells? LOL! ;-)

G.

On 6/21/2014 11:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Yes. jinx claimed that you can get turn by turn on a Smart Phone. I
> don't know about that. I haven't tried.

Yes, you can. It works very well. In fact, my daughter no longer uses
the GPS built into her car, as she prefers the one on her phone.

On 6/22/2014 11:33 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:22:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I've never even bothered with cruise control in my last few cars,
>> so I thought that the hill problem was just with my Peugeot.
>> Are they all like that? You're cruise control, you're supposed
>> to maintain the speed!
>
> With cruise control you can accelerate with the gas pedal and as soon
> as you take your foot off it will automatically return to the preset
> speed, but if you hit the brake that cancels the cruise control so you
> will begin to slow to a stop unless you press the "Resume Speed"
> button.

This I know, but if I have to step on the gas to maintain my
speed on a hill, where's the control in cruise control.

As I said, it's good for a long trip with little traffic,
otherwise I find it useless. Why I haven't even touched it
on my last 3 or more cars. It's just there.

nancy

On 22/06/2014 1:16 AM, gregz wrote:
> Jeßus > wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 10:25:13 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> I now have 3 obsolete desktops in the basement. The oldest has a 5.25"
>>> drive that I kept because I have a lot of data from old projects saved
>>> on them. Ditto for the next where they are the ~3" drives.
>>> Graham
>>> I also have some blank cassettes for my Nakamichi cassette deck!
>>
>> I have some Nakamichi decks in the shed, I have some blank tapes but I
>> wish I could find some new metal tapes rather than the plain 'low
>> noise' ones.
>
> Shed ? I got some decks in my garage, Sony etc.
>
> Thing about metal, frequency response is not as good with most decks, but
> better noise and range.
>
> Greg
>
Some 25 years ago, I had built up a large collection of classical
cassettes (not copies but those made by the record companies). After
divorcing, I used my first tax refund to buy a new amp, cd player and
the Nakamichi so that I could play those tapes. I have hardly used it as
I have bought numerous cds and they are much less hassle. I went to the
trouble of burning cds of some of the cassettes only to see them
commercially re-issued on cd shortly afterwards.
Graham

On 6/21/2014 11:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:35:46 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nellie > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:08:36 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why have an iPhone 5 if you're not going to use the features?
>>>>>>>>>>> Might
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as well stick with a basic flip phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seriously! Not only that, but why have an IPhone5 and carry your
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Garmin
>>>>>>>>>> or TomTom or whatever she has, with you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nellie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's especially ridiculous considering you can put the actual
>>>>>>>>> Garmin
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> TomTom app right on the phone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forgive my ignorance, but I didn't know they had apps until you
>>>>>>>> mentioned it. I looked them up and the android apps seem to be
>>>>>>>> 50-50.
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't bother paying for them until that situation improved.
>>>>>>>> Maybe the app is free if you buy the unit. I don't know, but
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> the only way I'd test drive either one and I'd certainly carry the
>>>>>>>> unit with me until I trusted the app.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use either the GPS app that came with it or the free Google
>>>>>>> Maps app
>>>>>>> > >>> with
>>>>>>> zero issues. Personally, I would never pay for the name brand gps
>>>>>>> apps, >>> I
>>>>>>> was just pointing them out to you-know-who since she "heard" the
>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>> were unreliable to use. Excuses, excuses.
>>>>>>> -- > jinx the minx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maps may work for you but they don't for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I'm just smarter than you. I don't have any issues looking at
>>>>> maps.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes. You must be very smart.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about "very smart", but smarter than a windbag of endless
>>> complaints and excuses for sure. I suspect most people are.
>>> --
>>
>> Maybe you are smarter than that but you sure aren't when it comes to
>> constantly bitching. It seems to me that some folk bitch just because
>> that
>> is what they are used to doing. If they gave some stuff a little thought
>> ...

r can be bothered with stuff, but nor do I bitch on
>> and on and on. I don't read everything everyone says and I mark them as
>> read, but maybe your constant bitching makes you feel superior yes?
>> Seems to be too much of that!
>
> See that's what I don't get. I complain here about food related stuff.
> Such as my moldy bread. She complains about my complaints. Isn't that
> what her bitching is? At least mine was on topic.


On topic? Like all your medical history, every single relative's
medical history, the relative of a former coworker's hearsay medical
history, your online shopping conquests, your bra size, your cats, your
pet psychics, your neighborhood terrorizing cat stealing raccoons, your
cars, your water heater, your roof, your daughter, your daughter's
disabilities, her dance classes, her crappy school that forbade you from
contacting them, your husband, his demands, his inability to figure out
how to open tupperware, the tv shows you watch, the ones you don't and
wouldn't like because so-and-so told you they weren't good, your mailbox
keys, your pest problems, your contradictory having to carry a GPS
because a relative said the ones built into an iPhone are bad, yet you
claim afterward to not know that an iphone can give you turn-by-turn
audible directions, etc.

Furthermore, the last I checked this group was supposed to be
"rec.food.*cooking*, not rec.food.complaints.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2014 11:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:35:46 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nellie > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:08:36 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why have an iPhone 5 if you're not going to use the features?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Might
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> as well stick with a basic flip phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously! Not only that, but why have an IPhone5 and carry
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Garmin
>>>>>>>>>>> or TomTom or whatever she has, with you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nellie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's especially ridiculous considering you can put the actual
>>>>>>>>>> Garmin
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> TomTom app right on the phone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forgive my ignorance, but I didn't know they had apps until you
>>>>>>>>> mentioned it. I looked them up and the android apps seem to be
>>>>>>>>> 50-50.
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't bother paying for them until that situation improved.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe the app is free if you buy the unit. I don't know, but
>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>> the only way I'd test drive either one and I'd certainly carry the
>>>>>>>>> unit with me until I trusted the app.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I use either the GPS app that came with it or the free Google
>>>>>>>> Maps app
>>>>>>>> > >>> with
>>>>>>>> zero issues. Personally, I would never pay for the name brand gps
>>>>>>>> apps, >>> I
>>>>>>>> was just pointing them out to you-know-who since she "heard" the
>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>> were unreliable to use. Excuses, excuses.
>>>>>>>> -- > jinx the minx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maps may work for you but they don't for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess I'm just smarter than you. I don't have any issues looking
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> maps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yes. You must be very smart.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about "very smart", but smarter than a windbag of endless
>>>> complaints and excuses for sure. I suspect most people are.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Maybe you are smarter than that but you sure aren't when it comes to
>>> constantly bitching. It seems to me that some folk bitch just because
>>> that
>>> is what they are used to doing. If they gave some stuff a little
>>> thought
>>> ...
>
> r can be bothered with stuff, but nor do I bitch on
>>> and on and on. I don't read everything everyone says and I mark them as
>>> read, but maybe your constant bitching makes you feel superior yes?
>>> Seems to be too much of that!
>>
>> See that's what I don't get. I complain here about food related stuff.
>> Such as my moldy bread. She complains about my complaints. Isn't that
>> what her bitching is? At least mine was on topic.
>
>
> On topic? Like all your medical history, every single relative's medical
> history, the relative of a former coworker's hearsay medical history, your
> online shopping conquests, your bra size, your cats, your pet psychics,
> your neighborhood terrorizing cat stealing raccoons, your cars, your water
> heater, your roof, your daughter, your daughter's disabilities, her dance
> classes, her crappy school that forbade you from contacting them, your
> husband, his demands, his inability to figure out how to open tupperware,
> the tv shows you watch, the ones you don't and wouldn't like because
> so-and-so told you they weren't good, your mailbox keys, your pest
> problems, your contradictory having to carry a GPS because a relative said
> the ones built into an iPhone are bad, yet you claim afterward to not know
> that an iphone can give you turn-by-turn audible directions, etc.
>
> Furthermore, the last I checked this group was supposed to be
> "rec.food.*cooking*, not rec.food.complaints.

So why are you complaining?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Nancy Young wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I've never even bothered with cruise control in my last few cars,
>>> so I thought that the hill problem was just with my Peugeot.
>>> Are they all like that? You're cruise control, you're supposed
>>> to maintain the speed!
>>
>> With cruise control you can accelerate with the gas pedal and as soon
>> as you take your foot off it will automatically return to the preset
>> speed, but if you hit the brake that cancels the cruise control so you
>> will begin to slow to a stop unless you press the "Resume Speed"
>> button.
>
>This I know, but if I have to step on the gas to maintain my
>speed on a hill, where's the control in cruise control.

No, your're not stepping on the gas to maintain your speed,
only to *accelerate* past your set speed.
With cruise control your car should maintain the set speed on a hill,
both up and down... if not something is wrong with it.

>As I said, it's good for a long trip with little traffic,
>otherwise I find it useless. Why I haven't even touched it
>on my last 3 or more cars. It's just there.

I used to occasionally use cruise control on Interstates but that was
more than ten years ago, I haven't used the cruise control on my car
since I'm living here. However I use cruise control on my tractor all
the time when mowing, by holding a constant speed I get a more even
cut and gives my leg a rest on long runs... also saves some on diesel,
because the thing is on turf, even on a downgrade one is always going
uphill because the tires are always climbing out of their ruts, and
the wetter the soil the deeper the ruts.

On 6/22/2014 5:16 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:

>> This I know, but if I have to step on the gas to maintain my
>> speed on a hill, where's the control in cruise control.
>
> No, your're not stepping on the gas to maintain your speed,
> only to *accelerate* past your set speed.

No, the car would slow on a hill. IT should be accelerating
for me. Being cruise control.

> With cruise control your car should maintain the set speed on a hill,
> both up and down... if not something is wrong with it.

That's what we were talking about.

>> As I said, it's good for a long trip with little traffic,
>> otherwise I find it useless. Why I haven't even touched it
>> on my last 3 or more cars. It's just there.
>
> I used to occasionally use cruise control on Interstates but that was
> more than ten years ago, I haven't used the cruise control on my car
> since I'm living here. However I use cruise control on my tractor all
> the time when mowing, by holding a constant speed I get a more even
> cut and gives my leg a rest on long runs... also saves some on diesel,
> because the thing is on turf, even on a downgrade one is always going
> uphill because the tires are always climbing out of their ruts, and
> the wetter the soil the deeper the ruts.

Now, I wouldn't have thought about there being cruise control
on a tractor, that seems useful.

nancy

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:36:12 -0500, Jinx the Minx
> wrote:

>On 6/21/2014 11:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> See that's what I don't get. I complain here about food related stuff.
>> Such as my moldy bread. She complains about my complaints. Isn't that
>> what her bitching is? At least mine was on topic.
>
>On topic? Like all your medical history, every single relative's
>medical history, the relative of a former coworker's hearsay medical
>history, your online shopping conquests, your bra size, your cats, your
>pet psychics, your neighborhood terrorizing cat stealing raccoons, your
>cars, your water heater, your roof, your daughter, your daughter's
>disabilities, her dance classes, her crappy school that forbade you from
>contacting them, your husband, his demands, his inability to figure out
>how to open tupperware, the tv shows you watch, the ones you don't and
>wouldn't like because so-and-so told you they weren't good, your mailbox
>keys, your pest problems, your contradictory having to carry a GPS
>because a relative said the ones built into an iPhone are bad, yet you
>claim afterward to not know that an iphone can give you turn-by-turn
>audible directions, etc.
>
>Furthermore, the last I checked this group was supposed to be
>"rec.food.*cooking*, not rec.food.complaints.

Yep. And good luck trying to explain to her that's she's the only
person on this group doing that, along with the endless contradictions
are illogical outcomes. And she pretends to wonder why many of us take
her to task.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:14:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>
>> The next generation won't have a clue. I guess they won't be able to
>> figure out how to wipe their butts without instructions from an electronic
>> device. Pretty sad, really.
>
>Oh dear, I wish you hadn't given me that picture! 'Take piece of toilet
>paper ... '

Not that far fetched either :/

Younger people (and I include those in their 30's) are generally
'educated' (if you want to call it that), but seriously lacking in
practical skills and applying plain common sense, and the ability to
think for themselves.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:34:33 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>It isn't the same, for one thing, it's tough to dig a hole in the ocean.
>Unlike on land, the holes keep filling up.

They just need to dig faster.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:08:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/21/2014 11:06 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:37:35 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No regular people can do that, it's impossible. Requires
>>>>> a special map folding guide available only to professionals.
>>>>
>>>> I figured it out.
>>>
>>> I had to. When I first came up here there were no openings in my field
>>> and I took a post in an oil and gas exploration company. There were a
>>> lot of maps there)
>>>
>>
>> I used to work for a mining company. We had a lot of pictures of holes in
>> the ground. How boring! Back then, the Chinese visitors wore really awful
>> suits. Rest assure that these days, they're dressed a lot better.
>
>I remember the horrible Chinese suits from the 1970's.
>There was a place in
>downtown Seattle that custom made them. The man would go pick out the
>fabric or fabrics that he wanted. He was measured and the suits were made.
>They were horrible quality and they looked it!

Which has nothing to do with the Chinese (or their suits) that dsi1
was discussing.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 10:56:53 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>If you're over 60, you're not supposed to understand this modern world.
>None of it at all. That's the way it's always been done. It's not going
>to wear off because the cell phone has changed the way we live and
>interact with each other. This one piece of technology has changed our
>species in less than a decade. In the future, "BC" will mean "Before
>Cells" although "Before iPhone" might be more correct. As far as that
>goes, we're living in the year 07 Ai. Live long and prosper.

In other words - devolution.

On 6/22/2014 12:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/22/2014 11:33 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:22:59 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>


>
> This I know, but if I have to step on the gas to maintain my
> speed on a hill, where's the control in cruise control.
>
> As I said, it's good for a long trip with little traffic,
> otherwise I find it useless. Why I haven't even touched it
> on my last 3 or more cars. It's just there.
>
> nancy

If it is not keeping up on the hills, you need a car with more power.
Never had that problem with my cars, but I tend to go with more power in
a full sized car. Get the turbo next time.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:48:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
>> On Friday, June 20, 2014 10:16:23 PM UTC-7, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>
>> It is unbelievable, $1400. in equipment and instead using a ~$50. Garmin
>> and can't figure that out anyway.
>
>What? What cost $1400? Not my phone! I think it was only $99.

You know full well exactly what jinx is talking about.

And yet you won't spend a few dollars to have a locksmith change the
lock on your mailbox...

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:47:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>My Garmin is synched to my phone. Why? Don't know and it hasn't seemed to
>have accomplished anything.

Case closed. You don't know why - therefore it has no point or useful
function. Understood.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 12:23:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:47:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My Garmin is synched to my phone. Why? Don't know and it hasn't seemed
>>> to
>>> have accomplished anything.
>>
>> I looked it up. Out of all the features, the one that would appeal to
>> me will only work (as far as I can tell) if the garmin stays in the
>> car.
>
>Mine would get stolen if I left it in the car.

Some sorta door lock would solve... oh, wait.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:43:04 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:47:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> My Garmin is synched to my phone. Why? Don't know and it hasn't seemed
>> >> to
>> >> have accomplished anything.
>> >
>> > I looked it up. Out of all the features, the one that would appeal to
>> > me will only work (as far as I can tell) if the garmin stays in the
>> > car.
>>
>> Mine would get stolen if I left it in the car.
>
> That thieving raccoon targeting the Boves again.

Probably instigated by their psychic racoon superiors.
They have to pay for all that cat food for all those abducted cats
somehow...

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:13:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Funny you should mention that. Just the other day I was wondering
>> about that evil raccoon. It grabbed her cat right out of the window
>> and all was lost. Isn't that evil raccoon still stalking around the
>> yard?
>
>No. I hired a raccoon trapper. He said that was the most viscous animal he
>had ever seen.

A slippery character, was he?

>He also got a baby one. That made me sad. The baby looked
>pretty scared and tame. Unfortunately in this state when they are trapped,
>they have to be killed. I assumed he would relocate like Billy the
>Exterminator. The Dept. of Fish and Game told me to stop trapping them.
>The conditions that we have in this are ensure that we will have a steady
>stream of them coming in.
>
>I am glad that we got the viscous one though. He was bothering the workers
>next door as well as us.

So you converted the raccoon to motor oil? Don't let the oil companies
know... they'll make you disappear.

>Now we have a skunk. Haven't seen it but smelled it yesterday or the day
>before while working in the garage. And have smelled it before around the
>trash can.

Be careful. They've been hired by the raccoons to check if you have
replaced your abducted cat yet.

Jeßus > wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:48:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> "Nellie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Friday, June 20, 2014 10:16:23 PM UTC-7, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>
>>> It is unbelievable, $1400. in equipment and instead using a ~$50. Garmin
>>> and can't figure that out anyway.
>>
>> What? What cost $1400? Not my phone! I think it was only $99.
>
> You know full well exactly what jinx is talking about.
>
> And yet you won't spend a few dollars to have a locksmith change the
> lock on your mailbox...

Actually, that was Nellie's post, not mine.
--
jinx the minx

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:44:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
>> Nellie > wrote:
>>>
>>> Seriously! Not only that, but why have an IPhone5 and carry your Garmin
>>> or TomTom or whatever she has, with you?
>>>
>>> Nellie
>>
>> It's especially ridiculous considering you can put the actual Garmin or
>> TomTom app right on the phone.
>
>I don't want it on the phone. The phone is small. The GPS is large.

No need to LOOK at it - just LISTEN to it. That's already been
explained to you. But then, that would solve the problem, wouldn't it?
Can't have that...

On 6/22/2014 10:38 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/22/2014 12:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> As I said, it's good for a long trip with little traffic,
>> otherwise I find it useless. Why I haven't even touched it
>> on my last 3 or more cars. It's just there.

> If it is not keeping up on the hills, you need a car with more power.
> Never had that problem with my cars, but I tend to go with more power in
> a full sized car. Get the turbo next time.

My car didn't have any problem going up hills, but when the
cruise was on, it didn't react quickly enough with more power
to an incline.

I drive 6 cylinder cars these days. Good enough for me.

nancy

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 12:25:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
>> But the point was being able to hear audible directions, not see the map,
>> which is why you struck down printing out paper directions. Uh huh.
>
>That's not the whole point. I generally have a passenger who can look at
>the screen if they need to. No map.

So... you listen to the directions from the passenger who is
looking/interpreting the GPS for you - but NOT from the GPS itself,
which needs no such thing and will do that for you.

And this also works for you presumably when you have no passengers.
Or maybe it doesnt, and your GPS is of no use to you at all, because
you won't listen to the directions or look at the map.
Understood.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 13:02:21 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>news:1665738993425063752.876636jinxminx2-
>
>> But the point was being able to hear audible directions, not see the map,
>> which is why you struck down printing out paper directions. Uh huh.
>
>Can it tell you when to snip posts for relevance? Geez.

I've not seen you say that to Julie, despite her being one of the
worst culprits here for that.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:21:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> news:1665738993425063752.876636jinxminx2-
>>
>>> But the point was being able to hear audible directions, not see the map,
>>> which is why you struck down printing out paper directions. Uh huh.
>>
>> Can it tell you when to snip posts for relevance? Geez.
>
>No and I called him/her on it.

You're unbelievable (so what's new . You're one of the worst
culprits for not snipping, and only four posts above your post here,
you posted this - 434 lines and only ONE line was your contribution:

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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Nellie > wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:08:36 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:47:27 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:36:31 PM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Nellie" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 5:48:33 PM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:07:29 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But bottom line? If it's built in, it's not portable. My bro is
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> person I know who has it in his car like that. So I like to keep
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mine
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in my
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> purse.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you carry your GPS in your purse. I love it. Do you not know
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> area? Do you need it to find your way back to your car after
>>>>>>>>> shopping
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> in the mall. wth?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Is the area where you live that simple to navigate? We have lots
>>>>>>>> of
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> one way streets and dead ends. They rename a few blocks of one
>>>>>>>> long
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> street something else and frankly, I don't keep up with that
>>>>>>>> baloney
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> so I need GPS when I'm in parts of town I'm not familiar with. I
>>>>>>>> also
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> need it when I leave town and want go somewhere off my usual beaten
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> path.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Seattle is like that. It's not like that here. Don't know of any
>>>>>>> one
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> way
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> streets. Dead end streets are usually clearly marked.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> We just went through some stress trying to find my new hair dresser
>>>>>>> in
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Mill
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Creek. I knew approximately where it was but it was in a house so I
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> know specifically and I've never been down those streets.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> The GPS started me out right but was having me turn left when I
>>>>>>> should
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> have
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> turned right. Then all of a sudden it had me turn around, go back
>>>>>>> from
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> whence I came. And then next thing I knew, it was trying to take me
>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Mukilteo! Angela had it in her hand so I don't know if maybe she
>>>>>>> did
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> something to it? I don't think so.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> I had to turn it off, back on again and put in the address again.
>>>>>>> It did
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> get us there but we were a couple of minutes late.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> You said Angela has an IPhone 5, how come you don't use that? Easy
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Peasy!!!
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I have one too. I don't know anything about a GPS on there. But the
>>>>> phones
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> do not work reliably in a vehicle and my uncle said that GPS's that
>>>>> come
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> with phones are crap. I need turn by turn, verbal directions.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> What, what and what??? They are indeed reliable in a vehicle. The GPS
>>>> system works perfectly and you can get turn by turn directions as well.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I suggest you go to the Genius Bar and find out for yourself, but I
>>>> don't hold out much hope that you will.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Nellie <-----SMH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why have an iPhone 5 if you're not going to use the features? Might
>>>
>>> as well stick with a basic flip phone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila
>>
>>
>>
>> Seriously! Not only that, but why have an IPhone5 and carry your Garmin
>> or TomTom or whatever she has, with you?
>>
>> Nellie
>
> It's especially ridiculous considering you can put the actual Garmin or
> TomTom app right on the phone.

I don't want it on the phone. The phone is small. The GPS is large.
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 11:40:28 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 10:49:31 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> You are very lucky that you can go to Malta (or anywhere else in
>>>> Europe) just like that and only a short trip too
>>>
>>>Nooo. We were coming home for a holiday! We were there for 4 years It
>>>was an RAF posting
>>
>> Oh! How was the food? I would imagine it was pretty good there?
>> I've always wanted to go there at look at the ruins.
>
>Mostly Italian type stuff. Plenty of fish and pasta. Most of the people
>there were very poor. The language is interesting. It is like
>Arabic with a bit of Italian mixed in.

Sounds okay to me

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:20:26 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:

>On 6/22/14, 3:20 AM, gregz wrote:
>
>> Around here, you don't get best mileage on cruise. If the cruise would slow
>> down going up hills, and speed up downhills, it would save....
>
>It wouldn't save your life, because the other drivers holding steady
>speeds would kill you. 8
>
>And it probably wouldn't save any gas. As it is, you use extra gas
>holding speed uphill, and save gas running easily downhill. I've never
>seen an actual analysis of relative consumption, though.

Being steady/smooth on the gas pedal makes for better economy.
Suddenly taking your foot off the pedal going downhill will use more
fuel, for example.