On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:12:26 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/11/2014 4:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>
>>> Putting this back in a cooking related perspective, many people can
>>> cook multiple things at the same time. Different pots on different
>>> burners. The goal is to have everything ready at about the same time.
>>> So, they're focused on the task at hand.
>>>
>>> Throw in a distraction like talking on the phone and ooops! The pot
>>> boiled over! Because they weren't paying attention. Telephones are a
>>> distraction. No one will ever convince me otherwise.
>>
>> Yes! Someone I know always calls me while I am fixing dinner to find
>> out what's for dinner. I just hang up. No time to explain.
>
>We know who is calling to find out what is for dinner. The
>dinner-on-demand-man. <sigh>

What a family...

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:50:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> My old Honda Civic never needed them. The seats were always comfortable.

These days, they take comfortable seats and make them even better...
like adjustable lumbar support.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/12/2014 11:47 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:10:50 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> Personally, I don't want anything exciting happening when I'm in a car.
>> Boring is just alright with me.
>
> Our car is one of those automatics that you can shift if you want to.
> Hubby loves shifting, I hate listening to the motor make those noises.
>

I can do that on my Passat automatic. Mostly I just shift so I can get
up to high gear as soon as possible. I think I can get better gas
mileage than in the automatic mode. It's kind of a lot of work just to
squeeze one or two miles out of a gallon of gas. I would sometimes do
that with my Sonata when I wanted to impress the passenger. The Sonata
had an engine with a lot of grunt. My Passat has an engine that's kind
of wheezy so you can forget about trying to impress.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:41:55 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> These days, the most important consideration
>> for me is an AC that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>
> Electric windows and a moon roof for me... an 8 way seat is nice too.
>
>
The rental we had, had all of those. Heated seats too. Just not for me.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:50:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> My old Honda Civic never needed them. The seats were always comfortable.
>
> These days, they take comfortable seats and make them even better...
> like adjustable lumbar support.
>
Mine have the lumbar support. Adjustable. You just have to manually do it
which is not a problem. Angela and I are the only ones using it. We don't
have it set the same but it's not a big deal to adjust it.

On 6/12/2014 5:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/12/2014 4:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2014 10:24 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>>>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>>
>>> The experience you get depends a lot on the car and engine. My VW
>>> Scirocco with 4 speed was just wonderful. The Subaru with a 5 speed I
>>> used to have was the most unpleasant car to drive. I recently test drove
>>> a small Suzuki automobile with a standard. My left leg started cramping
>>> up half way on the drive. These days, the most important consideration
>>> for me is an AC that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>
>> Well, that goes without saying, it's been a loooong time since
>> I had to make do with no a/c. When I think back, commuting 60 miles
>> each way, and my only air conditioning was the air blowing through
>> as you drove. Which was nil when it was stop and go.
>>
>> But with the automatic, just point it in the right direction
>> and go, it's not fun for me. Not a question of get up and go.
>> I just find it a bore. What are you going to do.
>
> I love my auto. Who needs to do anything? I just enjoy the drive and
> don't have to worry about anything else But that is just me
>
>
I drive a car, I don't play with a stick like 50 years ago. Manual
doesn't even save more than 1 mile per gallon. I must admit that it was
fun driving with a stick in the Swiss Alps :-)

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:24:52 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/12/2014 2:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> >> They'd ban stick shifts, too, if that was the problem.
>> >
>> > Not nearly the same thing... once learned driving stick is like riding
>> > a bicycle or swimming, requires no more consious thought than
>> > breathing... takes more consious thought to urinate than drive stick.
>> > You obviously don't drive stick.
>>
>> SIGH.
>>
>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>>
> My attitude is the opposite. Drove them exclusively for years, never
> even remotely liked a stick shift - sports car, sedan, didn't matter.
> It was just a PITA.

Mine too. I had a stick for many years, learned to drive on one, but every
time we went to San Francisco it made me know how much I hated them. :-)
Now, automatics...forever.

Cheri

On 12/06/2014 2:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/12/2014 10:24 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2014 2:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They'd ban stick shifts, too, if that was the problem.
>>>>
>>>> Not nearly the same thing... once learned driving stick is like riding
>>>> a bicycle or swimming, requires no more consious thought than
>>>> breathing... takes more consious thought to urinate than drive stick.
>>>> You obviously don't drive stick.
>>>
>>> SIGH.
>>>
>>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> The experience you get depends a lot on the car and engine. My VW
>> Scirocco
>> with 4 speed was just wonderful. The Subaru with a 5 speed I used to have
>> was the most unpleasant car to drive. I recently test drove a small
>> Suzuki
>> automobile with a standard. My left leg started cramping up half way on
>> the drive. These days, the most important consideration for me is an AC
>> that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>
> Cramp in your leg, because of the clutch? I had that problem when I
> started to drive my manual car. I had to put the seat further back or I
> got cramp. It a bit too far back for me and I don't get the clutch
> fully depressed which can cause a bit of a problem. Is that what you
> meant?
>
Having had back problems, I experienced sciatica after getting caught in
nose to tail, rush hour, stop and go traffic when driving a stick shift.
Graham

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:37:11 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

>On 6/12/2014 2:20 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> Julie Nilsen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey there! You haven't answered why you think California says it is
>>>> >okay to talk on your cell phone while driving as long as you use a
>>>> > hands-free device. Can you tell us why you think they allow it if your
>>>> >'studies' say that it is just as dangerous???
>>>>>
>>>>> I live in California. It's not against the law (so far) to talk hands
>>>>> free although it has been proven to be a distraction. Smoking in
>>>>> public was also allowed... until it wasn't. <shrug>
>>>>
>>>> It would be impossible to enforce, if nothing else.
>>>> Surely people don't think that having a phone in one hand is
>>>> the distraction making people drive through red lights and
>>>> all the other stuff we see?
>>>
>>> Conversing, whether via phone or with passengers, s one of the most
>>> common reasons people drive through stop signs and red lights. Smoking
>>> requires zero consious thought, no more than chewing gum.
>>>
>>>> They'd ban stick shifts, too, if that was the problem.
>>>
>>> Not nearly the same thing... once learned driving stick is like riding
>>> a bicycle or swimming, requires no more consious thought than
>>> breathing... takes more consious thought to urinate than drive stick.
>>> You obviously don't drive stick. It took me a long time getting used
>>> to an automatic transmission... there are still occasions when I catch
>>> myself going for the clutch to downshift. I'm driving automatic only
>>> 24 years, I learned with stick and drove only stick for more than 30
>>> years.
>>
>> I have two cars now, one with stick and one auto. One never forgets.
>> If someone here passes a test with an auto, they have to take another
>> test for stick gears. Having taken a test for a stick gear, no new test
>> for auto is required.
>>
>I learned to drive with a stick but most times when we went to Europe
>and rented such a manual car, there were about two hours of missed
>shifts and stalls. These usually seemed to occur in large cities; I
>particularly remember embarrassment in Zurich and Paris :-)

Then you never learned to drive stick.

On 6/12/2014 6:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/12/2014 11:47 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:10:50 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I don't want anything exciting happening when I'm in a car.
>>> Boring is just alright with me.
>>
>> Our car is one of those automatics that you can shift if you want to.
>> Hubby loves shifting, I hate listening to the motor make those noises.
>>
>
> I can do that on my Passat automatic. Mostly I just shift so I can get
> up to high gear as soon as possible. I think I can get better gas
> mileage than in the automatic mode. It's kind of a lot of work just to
> squeeze one or two miles out of a gallon of gas. I would sometimes do
> that with my Sonata when I wanted to impress the passenger. The Sonata
> had an engine with a lot of grunt. My Passat has an engine that's kind
> of wheezy so you can forget about trying to impress.

My Acura had that. I never used it except to try it out in a
parking lot. I think my current car has the same thing but I'd
have to go look. If it does, maybe I'll try to have more fun with
it next time I take it out.

nancy

On Sunday, June 8, 2014 2:50:20 PM UTC-4, James Silverton wrote:
> My household is usually just one so those family stick figures aren't
>
> really appropriate. I've not seen them on sale and wonder where people
>
> get them?


To me, a waste of money, and who needs or cares to know? I DO like to see the cars with lots of cats or dogs, tho, depicted thereon.

Remember those "Baby Onboard" discs of the eighties?

I am also not a fan of those "In Memory of Joe Blow and his dates". Isn't anything considered private or too personal any longer?

It was years before I got the Body Glove sticker.

On Monday, June 9, 2014 6:10:17 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:03:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:50:20 -0400, James Silverton
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> My household is usually just one so those family stick figures aren't
>
> >> really appropriate. I've not seen them on sale and wonder where people
>
> >> get them?
>
> >
>
> >They are decals.
>
> >http://www.vinyldisorder.com/families.html
>
> >http://www.fullintensitygrafx.com/family_decals.php
>
> >http://www.familystickers.com/custom...FU5afgod2WIA1Q
>
>
>
> Guess I'm the proverbial stick in the mud. No way am I putting decals
>
> on my car. Or bumper stickers or anything else.

New England born and bred?

I like the one "If You Can Read This, You're Too Damn Close."

I want one which says, "Get off the effing PHONE"

On 6/12/2014 6:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:41:55 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> These days, the most important consideration
>>> for me is an AC that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>
>> Electric windows and a moon roof for me... an 8 way seat is nice too.
>>
>>
> The rental we had, had all of those. Heated seats too. Just not for me.

In the winter I put the heated seat switch in the "on" position when I
park it for the night, then I use the remote to start the car in the
morning. Nice to have on a zero degree morning.

On 6/12/2014 7:23 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Monday, June 9, 2014 6:10:17 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


>> Guess I'm the proverbial stick in the mud. No way am I putting decals
>>
>> on my car. Or bumper stickers or anything else.
>
> New England born and bred?
>

Born and first 35 years in Philadelphia. Now in New England. Same
personality I guess. No dealer stickers on my cars either and you
probably guessed, nothing hanging from the mirror.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/06/2014 2:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/12/2014 10:24 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2014 2:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> They'd ban stick shifts, too, if that was the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not nearly the same thing... once learned driving stick is like riding
>>>>> a bicycle or swimming, requires no more consious thought than
>>>>> breathing... takes more consious thought to urinate than drive stick.
>>>>> You obviously don't drive stick.
>>>>
>>>> SIGH.
>>>>
>>>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>>>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> The experience you get depends a lot on the car and engine. My VW
>>> Scirocco
>>> with 4 speed was just wonderful. The Subaru with a 5 speed I used to
>>> have
>>> was the most unpleasant car to drive. I recently test drove a small
>>> Suzuki
>>> automobile with a standard. My left leg started cramping up half way on
>>> the drive. These days, the most important consideration for me is an AC
>>> that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>
>> Cramp in your leg, because of the clutch? I had that problem when I
>> started to drive my manual car. I had to put the seat further back or I
>> got cramp. It a bit too far back for me and I don't get the clutch
>> fully depressed which can cause a bit of a problem. Is that what you
>> meant?
>>
> Having had back problems, I experienced sciatica after getting caught in
> nose to tail, rush hour, stop and go traffic when driving a stick shift.
> Graham

When I first got my license, my dad let me drive into Hollywood. I was
driving his old Buick Electra with cruise control. I hate cruise control
because really all you are doing is steering and it tends to make me sleepy
because I am not doing much except for watching the road.

But then? We got stuck. Bumper to bumper traffic on the freeway. Then I
had to keep my foot planted on the brake and after a while, my foot and leg
did begin to cramp. That was just no fun.

I even have trouble now if I have to drive any distance. I can go perhaps 9
miles each way. If I have to go further than that, my right leg will begin
to cramp. I have to try to massage it as I go. Things also get bad if
there is snow and ice on the road. I might not have to go a far distance
but I have to keep my foot on the brake so much.

I have not had to drive any distance in this new car but it does seem that
things are at a better angle for me than they were in the van. So that
might help.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, June 8, 2014 2:50:20 PM UTC-4, James Silverton wrote:
>> My household is usually just one so those family stick figures aren't
>>
>> really appropriate. I've not seen them on sale and wonder where people
>>
>> get them?
>
>
> To me, a waste of money, and who needs or cares to know? I DO like to see
> the cars with lots of cats or dogs, tho, depicted thereon.
>
> Remember those "Baby Onboard" discs of the eighties?
>
> I am also not a fan of those "In Memory of Joe Blow and his dates". Isn't
> anything considered private or too personal any longer?
>
> It was years before I got the Body Glove sticker.

The idiotic Baby On Board things are back. At first I thought someone got
one at Goodwill or some such place but now they are everywhere! I was also
not a fan of those fancy mudflaps that we used to see. Such as the ones
with the seemingly nude women on them.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/12/2014 7:23 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>> On Monday, June 9, 2014 6:10:17 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>
>>> Guess I'm the proverbial stick in the mud. No way am I putting decals
>>>
>>> on my car. Or bumper stickers or anything else.
>>
>> New England born and bred?
>>
>
> Born and first 35 years in Philadelphia. Now in New England. Same
> personality I guess. No dealer stickers on my cars either and you
> probably guessed, nothing hanging from the mirror.

My old car had a dealer sticker. No prob. Bought it from my BIL and it had
a little bear on it. It was cute. I had the dealer license plate holders
but I had them replaced with some black ones with violets on them. I have a
little white cat ball on my antennae and I have a little red, white and blue
crystal angel hanging from my mirror. I just need my car to be different in
some way because there are too many that look the same. Otherwise I will
try to get into the wrong car. I have done that more times than I care to
remember.

When I was a teen, I was hell bent of building my own car. I sent away for
catalogs. Also auto part catalogs. I begged my dad for help. He had taken
an automotive class so he knew how to do some repairs. But... Every time
he did something, my mechanic would say, "Who did this?" So... He may not
have been the best person to ask for help. At any rate, he wouldn't help me
build one. But what I really wanted was Blinky The Cat. It was a white
stuffed cat with lighted blue eyes that sat in your back window. Somehow
you hooked it up so that when you turned, the eyes blinked. Right eye for
right turn, left eye for left turn.

I'm not actually sure that I ever saw one of those cats and in the catalog
it was just a black and white sketch of it. Never did get one and they
probably wouldn't be legal now.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/12/2014 6:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:41:55 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> These days, the most important consideration
>>>> for me is an AC that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>>
>>> Electric windows and a moon roof for me... an 8 way seat is nice too.
>>>
>>>
>> The rental we had, had all of those. Heated seats too. Just not for me.
>
> In the winter I put the heated seat switch in the "on" position when I
> park it for the night, then I use the remote to start the car in the
> morning. Nice to have on a zero degree morning.

My bro has the heated seats. I couldn't stand them. Of course on times I
was in there, our temps were somewhere around 50-60 so not all that cold.
And I don't think our weather ever gets to zero. Many winters we only have
a few days of freezing weather.

I had to drive one old car for most of the winter with no heat at all. The
heater core went out. And I couldn't afford to fix it. Had to save up my
money. That car also leaked so I had to drive with a roll of paper towels
in the seat next to me to try to keep the fog off of the windows. I also
had to wear gloves and put a blanket in my lap.

On 6/12/2014 4:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> The idiotic Baby On Board things are back. At first I thought someone
> got one at Goodwill or some such place but now they are everywhere! I
> was also not a fan of those fancy mudflaps that we used to see. Such as
> the ones with the seemingly nude women on them.

I saw a "Baby on Board" sticker on a car the other day. The goofball
appeared out of nowhere and cut into my lane. I could hardly believe it.
After a while, it struck me as being pretty funny.

On 6/12/2014 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> My bro has the heated seats. I couldn't stand them. Of course on times
> I was in there, our temps were somewhere around 50-60 so not all that
> cold. And I don't think our weather ever gets to zero. Many winters we
> only have a few days of freezing weather.

I had heated seats in my Sonata. There's not much use for this feature
where I live but it does afford one the opportunity to make your
passenger squirm when his/her butt starts feeling all hot and bothered.
Mostly, people think it's themselves that's heating up, not the seat.
It's an excellent prank if you live in the tropics.

>
> I had to drive one old car for most of the winter with no heat at all.
> The heater core went out. And I couldn't afford to fix it. Had to save
> up my money. That car also leaked so I had to drive with a roll of
> paper towels in the seat next to me to try to keep the fog off of the
> windows. I also had to wear gloves and put a blanket in my lap.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:41:41 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Nellie (used to be JulieP)
>
>
>
> As in "Nervous" Nellie? Love it!
>
>
>
> --
>
> All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

Omigosh, no, I didnt really think about that. Oh no, do you think that€¦maybe now everyone, ya know, will think that I am€¦ ya know€¦ the nervous type, huh? What to do, what to do? ˜º Well, ya know, I had to come up with something because, sf was already taken. ˜º

Very funny, sf!
Nellie

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/12/2014 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> My bro has the heated seats. I couldn't stand them. Of course on times
>> I was in there, our temps were somewhere around 50-60 so not all that
>> cold. And I don't think our weather ever gets to zero. Many winters we
>> only have a few days of freezing weather.
>
> I had heated seats in my Sonata. There's not much use for this feature
> where I live but it does afford one the opportunity to make your passenger
> squirm when his/her butt starts feeling all hot and bothered. Mostly,
> people think it's themselves that's heating up, not the seat. It's an
> excellent prank if you live in the tropics.

That's what I was doing all right. Squirming! I don't even turn the heat
on in my car much. Maybe at night if it is really cold. But during the day
if the sun is out, that in and of itself can warm things up enough.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/12/2014 10:58 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/12/2014 10:24 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2014 2:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> They'd ban stick shifts, too, if that was the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not nearly the same thing... once learned driving stick is like riding
>>>>> a bicycle or swimming, requires no more consious thought than
>>>>> breathing... takes more consious thought to urinate than drive stick.
>>>>> You obviously don't drive stick.
>>>>
>>>> SIGH.
>>>>
>>>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>>>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> The experience you get depends a lot on the car and engine. My VW
>>> Scirocco
>>> with 4 speed was just wonderful. The Subaru with a 5 speed I used to
>>> have
>>> was the most unpleasant car to drive. I recently test drove a small
>>> Suzuki
>>> automobile with a standard. My left leg started cramping up half way on
>>> the drive. These days, the most important consideration for me is an AC
>>> that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>
>> Cramp in your leg, because of the clutch? I had that problem when I
>> started to drive my manual car. I had to put the seat further back or I
>> got cramp. It a bit too far back for me and I don't get the clutch
>> fully depressed which can cause a bit of a problem. Is that what you
>> meant?
>>
>
> I have a left leg that's a little "funny." You can call me a gimp - I
> don't mind.

Why in the world would I call you names because you have a bad leg????? If
you expect that you are talking to the wrong person

To tell you the truth, I shouldn't be able to drive a
> standard with my leg. Somehow I do it and I'm not even sure how I'm able
> to. Anyway, my leg cramped up at the thigh. I agree with your analysis - I
> may have had the seat a little too far forward. That car was too damn
> small!

Aye, does that to me too. I have long legs and soon get cramped up in too
small a space.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/12/2014 5:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/12/2014 4:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2014 10:24 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>>>>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>>>
>>>> The experience you get depends a lot on the car and engine. My VW
>>>> Scirocco with 4 speed was just wonderful. The Subaru with a 5 speed I
>>>> used to have was the most unpleasant car to drive. I recently test
>>>> drove
>>>> a small Suzuki automobile with a standard. My left leg started cramping
>>>> up half way on the drive. These days, the most important consideration
>>>> for me is an AC that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>>
>>> Well, that goes without saying, it's been a loooong time since
>>> I had to make do with no a/c. When I think back, commuting 60 miles
>>> each way, and my only air conditioning was the air blowing through
>>> as you drove. Which was nil when it was stop and go.
>>>
>>> But with the automatic, just point it in the right direction
>>> and go, it's not fun for me. Not a question of get up and go.
>>> I just find it a bore. What are you going to do.
>>
>> I love my auto. Who needs to do anything? I just enjoy the drive and
>> don't have to worry about anything else But that is just me
>>
>>
> I drive a car, I don't play with a stick like 50 years ago. Manual doesn't
> even save more than 1 mile per gallon. I must admit that it was fun
> driving with a stick in the Swiss Alps :-)

I'll bet!!! Not the place to forget your handbrake either ... ;-)


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/06/2014 2:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/12/2014 10:24 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2014 2:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> They'd ban stick shifts, too, if that was the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not nearly the same thing... once learned driving stick is like riding
>>>>> a bicycle or swimming, requires no more consious thought than
>>>>> breathing... takes more consious thought to urinate than drive stick.
>>>>> You obviously don't drive stick.
>>>>
>>>> SIGH.
>>>>
>>>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>>>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> The experience you get depends a lot on the car and engine. My VW
>>> Scirocco
>>> with 4 speed was just wonderful. The Subaru with a 5 speed I used to
>>> have
>>> was the most unpleasant car to drive. I recently test drove a small
>>> Suzuki
>>> automobile with a standard. My left leg started cramping up half way on
>>> the drive. These days, the most important consideration for me is an AC
>>> that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>
>> Cramp in your leg, because of the clutch? I had that problem when I
>> started to drive my manual car. I had to put the seat further back or I
>> got cramp. It a bit too far back for me and I don't get the clutch
>> fully depressed which can cause a bit of a problem. Is that what you
>> meant?
>>
> Having had back problems, I experienced sciatica after getting caught in
> nose to tail, rush hour, stop and go traffic when driving a stick shift.

Oh aye. That is a real pain ((

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dsi1 wrote:
>
> On 6/12/2014 4:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > The idiotic Baby On Board things are back. At first I thought someone
> > got one at Goodwill or some such place but now they are everywhere! I
> > was also not a fan of those fancy mudflaps that we used to see. Such as
> > the ones with the seemingly nude women on them.
>
> I saw a "Baby on Board" sticker on a car the other day. The goofball
> appeared out of nowhere and cut into my lane. I could hardly believe it.
> After a while, it struck me as being pretty funny.

You should see how our local school bus drivers drive. Almost always
tailgating, and going over the speed limit just to keep on schedule.
Meanwhile all those kids are in that bus with no seatbelts.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> I had heated seats in my Sonata. There's not much use for this feature
> where I live but it does afford one the opportunity to make your
> passenger squirm when his/her butt starts feeling all hot and bothered.
> Mostly, people think it's themselves that's heating up, not the seat.
> It's an excellent prank if you live in the tropics.

The first time I drove a car with heated seats, I had never even heard
about them. I started up the car and by the time I got out of my
neighborhood, I could feel something hot down there. My first thought
was, "Oh great...what's wrong with my butt." ;-)

G.

On 2014-06-12 11:49 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
> I saw a "Baby on Board" sticker on a car the other day. The goofball
> appeared out of nowhere and cut into my lane. I could hardly believe it.
> After a while, it struck me as being pretty funny.


That's like the woman with the MADD sticker on the back of her brown
Mercedes who I used to see flying down our road at more than twice the
speed limit.

On 2014-06-12 10:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/12/2014 6:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:41:55 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> These days, the most important consideration
>>>>> for me is an AC that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Electric windows and a moon roof for me... an 8 way seat is nice too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The rental we had, had all of those. Heated seats too. Just not for
>>> me.
>>
>> In the winter I put the heated seat switch in the "on" position when I
>> park it for the night, then I use the remote to start the car in the
>> morning. Nice to have on a zero degree morning.
>
> My bro has the heated seats. I couldn't stand them.


You could have just turned the heat off.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:53:15 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>I had heated seats in my Sonata. There's not much use for this feature
>where I live but it does afford one the opportunity to make your
>passenger squirm when his/her butt starts feeling all hot and bothered.
>Mostly, people think it's themselves that's heating up, not the seat.
>It's an excellent prank if you live in the tropics.

I have heated seats in my Subaru. Thought it was a waste of time and
I'd never use it. I was wrong about that, I love the heated seats now.

On 6/13/2014 8:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-12 11:49 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> I saw a "Baby on Board" sticker on a car the other day. The goofball
>> appeared out of nowhere and cut into my lane. I could hardly believe it.
>> After a while, it struck me as being pretty funny.
>
>
> That's like the woman with the MADD sticker on the back of her brown
> Mercedes who I used to see flying down our road at more than twice the
> speed limit.
Ah! But was she inebriated? Actually, a local MADD leader a few years
ago was punished for drunk driving!

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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I had heated seats in my Sonata. There's not much use for this feature
>> where I live but it does afford one the opportunity to make your
>> passenger squirm when his/her butt starts feeling all hot and bothered.
>> Mostly, people think it's themselves that's heating up, not the seat.
>> It's an excellent prank if you live in the tropics.
>
> The first time I drove a car with heated seats, I had never even heard
> about them. I started up the car and by the time I got out of my
> neighborhood, I could feel something hot down there. My first thought
> was, "Oh great...what's wrong with my butt." ;-)

<g>

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On 2014-06-13 8:52 AM, Jeßus wrote:

>> I had heated seats in my Sonata. There's not much use for this feature
>> where I live but it does afford one the opportunity to make your
>> passenger squirm when his/her butt starts feeling all hot and bothered.
>> Mostly, people think it's themselves that's heating up, not the seat.
>> It's an excellent prank if you live in the tropics.
>
> I have heated seats in my Subaru. Thought it was a waste of time and
> I'd never use it. I was wrong about that, I love the heated seats now.
>

My wife kept telling me how much she liked the heated seats in her
friend's car. I didn't see much use for them but when I got a CRV last
year it came with them. I have to say that I like them. It occasionally
gets down around 0F here in winter and it is nice to start up the car
and flip on the seats and get some almost instant heat. They get a
little too warm after awhile so I turn them off.

On 6/13/2014 7:22 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> You should see how our local school bus drivers drive. Almost always
> tailgating, and going over the speed limit just to keep on schedule.
> Meanwhile all those kids are in that bus with no seatbelts.
>

School buses are designed to prevent injury more so than typical auto.
Seatbelts can actually be a danger on buses. Of course, they should not
be tailgating or speeding. Can't say I've ever seen that around here.

Jeßus wrote:
>dsi1 wrote:
>
>>I had heated seats in my Sonata. There's not much use for this feature
>>where I live but it does afford one the opportunity to make your
>>passenger squirm when his/her butt starts feeling all hot and bothered.
>>Mostly, people think it's themselves that's heating up, not the seat.
>>It's an excellent prank if you live in the tropics.
>
>I have heated seats in my Subaru. Thought it was a waste of time and
>I'd never use it. I was wrong about that, I love the heated seats now.

I see no point to heated seats... in winter I let my car warm up for a
few minutes before driving anyway and by that time the car's heater is
running full blast, the entire cabin is warm so the seats are warm
too. And anyway, who has vinyl seats anymore, cloth/real leather
seats don't feel cold. Besides don't yoose wear panties or do you
drive bare butt? The only place I can understand wanting a heated
seat is in an outhouse.
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On 6/13/2014 11:38 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/13/2014 7:22 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> You should see how our local school bus drivers drive. Almost always
>> tailgating, and going over the speed limit just to keep on schedule.
>> Meanwhile all those kids are in that bus with no seatbelts.
>>
>
> School buses are designed to prevent injury more so than typical auto.
> Seatbelts can actually be a danger on buses. Of course, they should not
> be tailgating or speeding. Can't say I've ever seen that around here.

I've seen some really awful school bus operation, they are driving
a tank and they know it. In all my years and all my miles, I only
once let someone cut me off so that I had to go into the opposing lane,
I'm lucky no one was coming. That's just one for instance.

They can be very aggressive.

nancy

On 2014-06-13 11:38 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> You should see how our local school bus drivers drive. Almost always
>> tailgating, and going over the speed limit just to keep on schedule.
>> Meanwhile all those kids are in that bus with no seatbelts.
>>
>
> School buses are designed to prevent injury more so than typical auto.
> Seatbelts can actually be a danger on buses. Of course, they should not
> be tailgating or speeding. Can't say I've ever seen that around here.


Yeppers. School buses are designed to enclose the passengers to some
degree. Seat belts are are not reliable unless they are properly
adjusted and that just isn't feasible. Considering the number of
students bused each day, the number of injuries and fatalities is
remarkably low.

I certainly have not seen a trend of aggressive driving among school bus
drivers, especially among the major bus companies. There may be the odd
one, but generally speaking, they tend to be very cautious drivers.
City bus driver, OTOH..... think make to Bob Newhart's comedy bit about
bus drivers and how to make the passengers spin in the aisles.

On 2014-06-13 11:46 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>> I have heated seats in my Subaru. Thought it was a waste of time and
>> I'd never use it. I was wrong about that, I love the heated seats now.
>
> I see no point to heated seats... in winter I let my car warm up for a
> few minutes before driving anyway and by that time the car's heater is
> running full blast, the entire cabin is warm so the seats are warm
> too.

There really isn't much need to waste fuel to warm up your engine. It is
better to start it up and let it run long enough to get the oil running,
and then drive it slowly. It will warm up faster. Diesel engines do not
warm up when idling. The electric seat warms up careful.

I am a convert. I had rejected the idea when my wife told me about the
heated seats in her friends car. I have them in my CRV and I used them
a lot on the winter. Unil Julie, I figured out how to use the high, low
and off settings.

On Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:46:13 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 6/12/2014 10:58 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On 6/12/2014 10:24 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >>>> On 6/12/2014 2:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>>> They'd ban stick shifts, too, if that was the problem.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Not nearly the same thing... once learned driving stick is like riding
>
> >>>>> a bicycle or swimming, requires no more consious thought than
>
> >>>>> breathing... takes more consious thought to urinate than drive stick.
>
> >>>>> You obviously don't drive stick.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> SIGH.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I can drive a stick better than an automatic. I never did
>
> >>>> get used to an automatic, and it's no fun to drive.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> nancy
>
> >>>
>
> >>> The experience you get depends a lot on the car and engine. My VW
>
> >>> Scirocco
>
> >>> with 4 speed was just wonderful. The Subaru with a 5 speed I used to
>
> >>> have
>
> >>> was the most unpleasant car to drive. I recently test drove a small
>
> >>> Suzuki
>
> >>> automobile with a standard. My left leg started cramping up half way on
>
> >>> the drive. These days, the most important consideration for me is an AC
>
> >>> that works. That's all I care about! :-)
>
> >>
>
> >> Cramp in your leg, because of the clutch? I had that problem when I
>
> >> started to drive my manual car. I had to put the seat further back or I
>
> >> got cramp. It a bit too far back for me and I don't get the clutch
>
> >> fully depressed which can cause a bit of a problem. Is that what you
>
> >> meant?
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > I have a left leg that's a little "funny." You can call me a gimp - I
>
> > don't mind.
>
>
>
> Why in the world would I call you names because you have a bad leg????? If
>
> you expect that you are talking to the wrong person
>
>
>
> To tell you the truth, I shouldn't be able to drive a
>
> > standard with my leg. Somehow I do it and I'm not even sure how I'm able
>
> > to. Anyway, my leg cramped up at the thigh. I agree with your analysis - I
>
> > may have had the seat a little too far forward. That car was too damn
>
> > small!
>
>
>
> Aye, does that to me too. I have long legs and soon get cramped up in too
>
> small a space.
>

I'm with you there. Some cars have footwells that actually feel like really narrow wells. My brother-in-law used to drive with a medium sized dog who liked to lay down in the driver's footwell. That blows my mind, man.

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