On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:36:11 PM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> It may have trace amounts of a natural product with preservative
> qualities, such as raisins or raisin juice, or cinnamon. Tiny amounts
> of those items will extend the shelf life of bread. Bakers in the know
> add trace amounts to their doughs for that reason.

Since when is grape juice a preservative?

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 6/17/2014 1:55 PM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:36:11 PM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>
>> It may have trace amounts of a natural product with preservative
>> qualities, such as raisins or raisin juice, or cinnamon. Tiny amounts
>> of those items will extend the shelf life of bread. Bakers in the know
>> add trace amounts to their doughs for that reason.
>
> Since when is grape juice a preservative?
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com
>

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docush...APC-173web.pdf

Shirley Corriher discusses all this in Cookwise.

You really don't know much about cookery, do you?

On 6/17/2014 7:44 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 6/12/2014 4:04 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Breads with no preservatives will tend to spoil rapidly. Once you open
>> them, you only have a couple of days to finish it off. That's the way
>> it is here in the tropics. I tend to stay away from breads like that.
>
> Sometimes bread is bagged before it has fully cooled. That happens more
> often than it should, and it will promote mold growth.
>

I got some house brand white bread from Safeway that appeared to be
pumped full of water. I've never seen bread such as this. It sort of has
the texture of uncooked French bread. Boy, it's pretty gross. I guess
it's better toasted but it's a little hard getting it to the toaster
slot when it's flopping over when you hold it vertical. Hopefully, that
just a manufacturing error and not some new and improved recipe. OTOH,
it hasn't gotten moldy yet. Thanks preservatives!

"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/12/2014 5:09 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/12/2014 6:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, keep your bread in the fridge... you do have refrigeration? Even
>>>> with AC bread without preservatives will keep well for a couple weeks.
>>>> The bread I buy contains no preservatives and a loaf can easily last
>>>> me ten days, but I keep it in the fridge and it will keep for a
>>>> month... very rarely after several weeks there might be a tiny bit of
>>>> mold on the last slices, that gets tossed to the critters.
>>>>
>>> I don't have no stinkin' room in my fridge for no bread! If there's
>>> a little mold on the bread, I'll cut it off and proceed with the
>>> eating.
>>
>> That's not a wise plan. If you can see mold it is all through it.
>
> "Mold" does not equal "death". If it did, the ancestors of the human race
> would never have made it out of the ocean.
>
> I can guarantee you that the vast majority of humanity has eaten moldy
> bread and survived the experience. Most in modern times probably never
> even noticed.

I didn't say it would kill. But it is still not advised that we eat it.
Some people are allergic to it.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:40:57 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:
snip
>
>"Mold" does not equal "death". If it did, the ancestors of the human
>race would never have made it out of the ocean.
>
>I can guarantee you that the vast majority of humanity has eaten moldy
>bread and survived the experience. Most in modern times probably never
>even noticed.

I read just yesterday that the average person in the U.S. eats over
one pound of insects and insect parts per year.
Janet US

On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:33:58 PM UTC-5, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 6/12/2014 3:14 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:24:08 -1000, dsi1
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 6/12/2014 12:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I'm not sure if these had preservatives or not. I may go back to the
>
> >>> store tomorrow where I got them and will look. My honey whole wheat has
>
> >>> no preservatives and it still seems fine.
>
> >>
>
> >> The trend of foods having no-preservatives mostly causes a lot of food
>
> >> being dumped. That's not good.
>
> >
>
> > That's the fault of the purchaser, not the bread.
>
> > Aside from having awful texture and taste, bread with preservatives
>
> > isn't exactly good for you and some people are sensitive to it. It
>
> > doesnt feel or taste like bread to me.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Oh, FFS. The preservative most commonly used in bread is calcium
>
> propionate, which is naturally found in far higher levels in Swiss
>
> Cheese. People decided that 'preservative' was bad, so they
> demanded preservative-free bread. Which then goes bad much
> faster. But they never knew it was a natural product in their
> cheese, so they never got worked up about it there.
>
Thank you. Most folks haven't a clue about fatty acids.
>
> So preservative-free bread molds a lot faster. Congratulations,
> food loons, you got what you asked for.

Those same "food loons" see ingredients like "non-GMO canola oil" as healthful, while rejecting those like calcium propionate and sodium benzoate. I was thinking about writing a book about the subject when Winter hijacked me..

--Bryan

On 6/17/2014 6:01 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:40:57 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> wrote:
> snip
>>
>> "Mold" does not equal "death". If it did, the ancestors of the human
>> race would never have made it out of the ocean.
>>
>> I can guarantee you that the vast majority of humanity has eaten moldy
>> bread and survived the experience. Most in modern times probably never
>> even noticed.
>
> I read just yesterday that the average person in the U.S. eats over
> one pound of insects and insect parts per year.
> Janet US
>
I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.

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Cheryl

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:35:28 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 6/17/2014 6:01 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:40:57 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>> wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>> "Mold" does not equal "death". If it did, the ancestors of the human
>>> race would never have made it out of the ocean.
>>>
>>> I can guarantee you that the vast majority of humanity has eaten moldy
>>> bread and survived the experience. Most in modern times probably never
>>> even noticed.
>>
>> I read just yesterday that the average person in the U.S. eats over
>> one pound of insects and insect parts per year.
>> Janet US
>>
>I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
>their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.
Sneaky things. I know they run around at night. I've seen them.
Yuck.
Janet US

Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy bread is not a sign of the end of the world!
Buy Pepperidge Farm. I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of times, for at
least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some
hefty preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also preserving you. Quit with all the bitching,
it isn't becoming, nor is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my guess that nobody gives a damn.

N

> Cheryl wrote:
> >I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
> >their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.

Oh dear lord, please tell me you're kidding. arrghhh! >;-[]

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>
>> Cheryl wrote:
>> >I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
>> >their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.
>
> Oh dear lord, please tell me you're kidding. arrghhh! >;-[]

yum yum added protein ;p

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Cheryl wrote:
>
> I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
> their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.

A person eats about a peck of bug parts in a lifetime and a bushel of
mouse turds, but no live spider is going to crawl into the mouth of
the living... after you're dead all sorts of critters will crawl in
and out of all your orifices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hearse_Song
http://www.alsirat.com/deathlore/worms.html

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy bread
> is not a sign of the end of the world!
> Buy Pepperidge Farm. I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and
> used a number of times, for at
> least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a speck of mold on it
> anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
> bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it fairly
> cool in the winter. I expect there are some
> hefty preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
> preserving you. Quit with all the bitching,
> it isn't becoming, nor is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring
> and it is my guess that nobody gives a damn.
>
> N

I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.

And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food related. I
just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo bread that I bought
did not have an expiration or use by date on it but the last piece went
moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives in it.

If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6 weeks
and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole!

Well, then, I will be well preserved and you will not. ;-). PFarm makes all kinds of bread, not just rye.
And I said it was kept in a bread box inside my cupboard, not out on the counter.
I still don't know why you make such a huge, time-consuming issue about a non-issue.

N.

On 6/20/2014 4:38 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>> Cheryl wrote:
>>> I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
>>> their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.
>
> Oh dear lord, please tell me you're kidding. arrghhh! >;-[]
>

It read as a fact.

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Cheryl

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
> > bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
> > I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
> > times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
> > speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
> > bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
> > fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
> > preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
> > preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
> > is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
> > guess that nobody gives a damn.
> >
> > N
>
> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
>
> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
> in it.
>
> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
> pole!

Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
the bread.

I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
to).

CAROL

--

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> Well, then, I will be well preserved and you will not. ;-). PFarm makes
> all kinds of bread, not just rye.
> And I said it was kept in a bread box inside my cupboard, not out on the
> counter.
> I still don't know why you make such a huge, time-consuming issue about a
> non-issue.

They might make it but I don't think it is sold here. I had a coupon for
some of their rolls and couldn't find them. I think I did see it when I
lived on Cape Cod.

And I didn't make a huge or time consuming thing. Nor was it a non-issue.
My bread is kept in a breadbox.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
>> > bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
>> > I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
>> > times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
>> > speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
>> > bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
>> > fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
>> > preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
>> > preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
>> > is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
>> > guess that nobody gives a damn.
>> >
>> > N
>>
>> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
>> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
>>
>> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
>> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
>> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
>> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
>> in it.
>>
>> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
>> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
>> pole!
>
> Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
> will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
> dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
> the bread.
>
> I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
> cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
> like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
> to).

Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something wrong.

Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
Perhaps they should do that?

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>
>>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
>>>> bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
>>>> I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
>>>> times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
>>>> speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
>>>> bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
>>>> fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
>>>> preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
>>>> preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
>>>> is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
>>>> guess that nobody gives a damn.
>>>>
>>>> N
>>>
>>> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
>>> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
>>>
>>> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
>>> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
>>> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
>>> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
>>> in it.
>>>
>>> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
>>> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
>>> pole!
>>
>> Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
>> will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
>> dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
>> the bread.
>>
>> I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
>> cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
>> like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
>> to).
>
> Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
> sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
> Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
> before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something wrong.
>
> Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
> Perhaps they should do that?

It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
"guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.
--
jinx the minx

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
>>>>> bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
>>>>> I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
>>>>> times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
>>>>> speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
>>>>> bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
>>>>> fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
>>>>> preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
>>>>> preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
>>>>> is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
>>>>> guess that nobody gives a damn.
>>>>>
>>>>> N
>>>>
>>>> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
>>>> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
>>>>
>>>> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
>>>> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
>>>> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
>>>> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
>>>> in it.
>>>>
>>>> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
>>>> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
>>>> pole!
>>>
>>> Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
>>> will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
>>> dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
>>> the bread.
>>>
>>> I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
>>> cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
>>> like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
>>> to).
>>
>> Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
>> sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
>> Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
>> before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something
>> wrong.
>>
>> Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
>> Perhaps they should do that?
>
> It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
> "guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.

It's not humid here and it wasn't summer when this happened. Again, my
point is... If they are going to put a date on it, then it should be good
until then.

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
>>>>>> bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
>>>>>> I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
>>>>>> times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
>>>>>> speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
>>>>>> bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
>>>>>> fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
>>>>>> preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
>>>>>> preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
>>>>>> is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
>>>>>> guess that nobody gives a damn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
>>>>> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
>>>>> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
>>>>> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
>>>>> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
>>>>> in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
>>>>> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
>>>>> pole!
>>>>
>>>> Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
>>>> will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
>>>> dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
>>>> the bread.
>>>>
>>>> I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
>>>> cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
>>>> like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
>>>> to).
>>>
>>> Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
>>> sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
>>> Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
>>> before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something >> wrong.
>>>
>>> Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
>>> Perhaps they should do that?
>>
>> It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
>> "guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.
>
> It's not humid here and it wasn't summer when this happened. Again, my
> point is... If they are going to put a date on it, then it should be good until then.

Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
--
jinx the minx

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...

> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.

*sigh*

How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits the
bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>
> *sigh*
>
> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.

*sigh*

Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
--
jinx the minx

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>
> >> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
> >> > bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
> >> > I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
> >> > times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
> >> > speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
> >> > bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
> >> > fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
> >> > preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
> >> > preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
> >> > is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
> >> > guess that nobody gives a damn.
> >> >
> >> > N
> >>
> >> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
> >> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
> >>
> >> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
> >> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
> >> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
> >> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
> >> in it.
> >>
> >> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
> >> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
> >> pole!
> >
> > Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
> > will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
> > dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
> > the bread.
> >
> > I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
> > cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
> > like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
> > to).
>
> Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
> sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
> Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
> before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something wrong.
>
> Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
> Perhaps they should do that?

it seems likely that the problem is that your house has an excess of
mold. that would explain your various food problems, allergies and
illnesses

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> .
> ..
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
> >>>>> bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
> >>>>> I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
> >>>>> times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
> >>>>> speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
> >>>>> bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
> >>>>> fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
> >>>>> preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
> >>>>> preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
> >>>>> is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
> >>>>> guess that nobody gives a damn.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> N
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
> >>>> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
> >>>>
> >>>> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
> >>>> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
> >>>> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
> >>>> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
> >>>> in it.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
> >>>> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
> >>>> pole!
> >>>
> >>> Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
> >>> will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
> >>> dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
> >>> the bread.
> >>>
> >>> I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
> >>> cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
> >>> like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
> >>> to).
> >>
> >> Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
> >> sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
> >> Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
> >> before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something
> >> wrong.
> >>
> >> Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
> >> Perhaps they should do that?
> >
> > It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
> > "guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.
>
> It's not humid here and it wasn't summer when this happened. Again, my
> point is... If they are going to put a date on it, then it should be good
> until then.

so what happens when you return the bread to the store and explain that
to them?

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well, then, I will be well preserved and you will not. ;-). PFarm makes
> > all kinds of bread, not just rye.
> > And I said it was kept in a bread box inside my cupboard, not out on the
> > counter.
> > I still don't know why you make such a huge, time-consuming issue about a
> > non-issue.
>
> They might make it but I don't think it is sold here. I had a coupon for
> some of their rolls and couldn't find them. I think I did see it when I
> lived on Cape Cod.
>
> And I didn't make a huge or time consuming thing. Nor was it a non-issue.
> My bread is kept in a breadbox.

which is probably contaminated with mold

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>
> *sigh*
>
> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.

You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!

And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 21:49:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Gary" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>> >I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
>>>> >their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.
>>>
>>> Oh dear lord, please tell me you're kidding. arrghhh! >;-[]
>>
>>yum yum added protein ;p
>
> Makes me think of the Somerset Maugham tale about the bug getting in
> the man's ear and eating it's way through his brain to the other side
>

yers ...

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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
>> > bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
>> > I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
>> > times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
>> > speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
>> > bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
>> > fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
>> > preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
>> > preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
>> > is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
>> > guess that nobody gives a damn.
>> >
>> > N
>>
>> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
>> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
>>
>> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
>> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
>> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
>> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
>> in it.
>>
>> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
>> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
>> pole!
>
> Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
> will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
> dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
> the bread.
>
> I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
> cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
> like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
> to).

Same here. We eat very little bread these days so I make only one loaf.
Any leftover goes into the freezer and when I have enough I dehydrate it for
making breadcrumbs.


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On 21/06/2014 2:53 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your
>> "intolerances".
>> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date
> on the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date?
>
Only if you take SENSIBLE precautions.
Graham

On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:56:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy
>>>>>> bread is not a sign of the end of the world! Buy Pepperidge Farm.
>>>>>> I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of
>>>>>> times, for at least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a
>>>>>> speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
>>>>>> bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it
>>>>>> fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some hefty
>>>>>> preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also
>>>>>> preserving you. Quit with all the bitching, it isn't becoming, nor
>>>>>> is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my
>>>>>> guess that nobody gives a damn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
>>>>> probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food
>>>>> related. I just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo
>>>>> bread that I bought did not have an expiration or use by date on it
>>>>> but the last piece went moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives
>>>>> in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6
>>>>> weeks and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot
>>>>> pole!
>>>>
>>>> Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
>>>> will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
>>>> dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
>>>> the bread.
>>>>
>>>> I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
>>>> cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
>>>> like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
>>>> to).
>>>
>>> Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
>>> sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
>>> Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
>>> before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
>>> Perhaps they should do that?
>>
>> It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
>> "guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.
>
>It's not humid here and it wasn't summer when this happened. Again, my
>point is... If they are going to put a date on it, then it should be good
>until then.

That Use-By date assumes people will afford a product proper handling;
not everyone in the household pawing it with unclean hands, closing
the package immediately, keeping at or below a normal room temperature
(72ºF), and naturally not in direct sunlight. The package bread I buy
contains no preservatives, I've yet to have it mold. The only bread
I've occasionaly had mold is the bread I buy past it's Use-By date at
heavy discount for feeding critters, and that's my fault for over
buying and keeping it too long. Those who regularly have food
spoilage incidents practice poor personal hygiene... there really is
no other explanation.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:53:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
>> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
>You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
>the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>
>And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

The dates on packaging mean until you take the package home, open it
and begin to use it. The producer can't guarantee (or guess) what
happens after you open it. The date is useful to determine which is
the freshest on the supermarket shelf. That's all.
Janet US

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 09:35:34 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
snip
>
>That Use-By date assumes people will afford a product proper handling;
>not everyone in the household pawing it with unclean hands, closing
>the package immediately, keeping at or below a normal room temperature
>(72ºF), and naturally not in direct sunlight. The package bread I buy
>contains no preservatives, I've yet to have it mold. The only bread
>I've occasionaly had mold is the bread I buy past it's Use-By date at
>heavy discount for feeding critters, and that's my fault for over
>buying and keeping it too long. Those who regularly have food
>spoilage incidents practice poor personal hygiene... there really is
>no other explanation.

agree.
Janet US

On 6/21/2014 9:35 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:56:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>> It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
>>> "guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.
>>
>> It's not humid here and it wasn't summer when this happened. Again, my
>> point is... If they are going to put a date on it, then it should be good
>> until then.
>
Not humid? Yet you wrote in the original post: "We have been having
rather warm weather. And one day it felt muggy." Muggy means humid. Doh!

> That Use-By date assumes people will afford a product proper handling;
> not everyone in the household pawing it with unclean hands, closing
> the package immediately, keeping at or below a normal room temperature
> (72ºF), and naturally not in direct sunlight. The package bread I buy
> contains no preservatives, I've yet to have it mold.
(snippage)

There's no telling what really goes on. I *do* know she places entirely
too much faith in artibitrary date stamp/stickers.

IF she bought the bread and it molded before whatever that date was
supposed to represent, just take the damn package back to the store and
complain to THEM. Demand money back or another loaf of bread.

Naturally there will be some reason she couldn't do that.

I don't know about most people but I keep my grocery store receipts for
at least a week. This is just in case I encounter some problem and need
to return or exchange something. This doesn't happen to me, mind you,
but I still keep the receipts for a while just in case.

Jill

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 10:37:32 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:
snip
>
>IF she bought the bread and it molded before whatever that date was
>supposed to represent, just take the damn package back to the store and
>complain to THEM. Demand money back or another loaf of bread.
>
>Naturally there will be some reason she couldn't do that.
>
>I don't know about most people but I keep my grocery store receipts for
>at least a week. This is just in case I encounter some problem and need
>to return or exchange something. This doesn't happen to me, mind you,
>but I still keep the receipts for a while just in case.
>
>Jill
the last two times that JB wrote about a bread/mold problem, she
stated that she bought bread that was on sale. I don't know what that
means -- is it a sale by the bread baker or is it on a 'get it out of
here quick' sale?
Janet US

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your
>> "intolerances".
>> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
> the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!

Well, that's not necessarily true. It would depend on how things are stored.
For instance if you left bread in a hot car before bringing it in, all bets
are off no matter the outdate.

Cheri

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 09:17:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
> >>>
> >>> *sigh*
> >>>
> >>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
> >>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
> >>
> >> *sigh*
> >>
> >> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
> >> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your
> >> "intolerances".
> >> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
> >
> > You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
> > the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>
> Well, that's not necessarily true. It would depend on how things are stored.
> For instance if you left bread in a hot car before bringing it in, all bets
> are off no matter the outdate.
>
It has been pointed out before that putting warm bread in a plastic
bag guarantees mold. I've said this before, but I'll say it again...
I learned that the hard way years ago when I purchased still warm
bread from a bakery and it was covered with mold the following
morning.


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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
>> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date
> on the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>
> And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

Idiot.
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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 09:17:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> >>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>> >>>
>> >>> *sigh*
>> >>>
>> >>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely
>> >>> limits
>> >>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>> >>
>> >> *sigh*
>> >>
>> >> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> >> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your
>> >> "intolerances".
>> >> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>> >
>> > You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date
>> > on
>> > the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>>
>> Well, that's not necessarily true. It would depend on how things are
>> stored.
>> For instance if you left bread in a hot car before bringing it in, all
>> bets
>> are off no matter the outdate.
>>
> It has been pointed out before that putting warm bread in a plastic
> bag guarantees mold. I've said this before, but I'll say it again...
> I learned that the hard way years ago when I purchased still warm
> bread from a bakery and it was covered with mold the following
> morning.

just what Cheri said then ... it would depend on how things are stored!

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In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> .
> ..
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> g...
> >>
> >>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
> >>
> >> *sigh*
> >>
> >> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
> >> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
> > un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
> > It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
> the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>
> And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

poor Julie, so many problems and yet she hasn't mastered the art of
actually complaining to the store that sold the product or the company
that made the product