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This is appalling! I can't believe this goes on, even in third world
countries, and that our supermarkets are, whether knowingly or unknowingly, supporting it. And we are by buying them, now that we know about it. <http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/video/2014/jun/10/slavery-supermarket-supply-trail-prawns-video> "A six-month Guardian multimedia investigation has, for the first time, tracked how some of the world's big-supermakets, Tesco, Aldi, Walmart and Morrisons, are using suppliers relying on slave labour to put cheap prawns on their shelves. Slavery is back and here's the proof." Not good. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:20:20 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote: >This is appalling! I can't believe this goes on, even in third world >countries, and that our supermarkets are, whether knowingly or >unknowingly, supporting it. And we are by buying them, now that we know >about it. > ><http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/video/2014/jun/10/slavery-supermarket-supply-trail-prawns-video> > >"A six-month Guardian multimedia investigation has, for the first time, >tracked how some of the world's big-supermakets, Tesco, Aldi, Walmart >and Morrisons, are using suppliers relying on slave labour to put cheap >prawns on their shelves. Slavery is back and here's the proof." Only a matter of degree, even American farmers are slaves to these corporations. >Not good. Not good at all. Thanks for posting it. |
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![]() "Cheryl" > wrote in message eb.com... > This is appalling! I can't believe this goes on, even in third world > countries, and that our supermarkets are, whether knowingly or > unknowingly, supporting it. And we are by buying them, now that we know > about it. > > <http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/video/2014/jun/10/slavery-supermarket-supply-trail-prawns-video> > > "A six-month Guardian multimedia investigation has, for the first time, > tracked how some of the world's big-supermakets, Tesco, Aldi, Walmart and > Morrisons, are using suppliers relying on slave labour to put cheap prawns > on their shelves. Slavery is back and here's the proof." > > Not good. > I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids who are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. I picked cucumbers for one day back in the 1970's. We were treated like slaves. A man walked up and down the rows with a wooden baton (like for relay races) and threatened to hit us with it if we didn't pick fast enough. I never got hit. But we were not allowed to have a break for water or to use the outhouse except for at lunch time. We had to eat our lunch inside an old school bus. It was very hot. They did give us each a candy bar at the end of the day which nobody wanted because it was so hot. The candy was melted. Minimum wage in those days was around $2 an hour. I got a check for $2.21 for a long day's work. I got an extreme sunburn (no sunscreen in those days) and I could barely move. They required us to straddle the rows and bend to pick. We had to fill two 5 gallon buckets at a time then walk them to the sorting truck. We were required to pick cucumbers of a certain size. If we picked too many that were the wrong size, we didn't get credit for the bucket. Same if the bucket wasn't full. But no second chances! Do it wrong and your bucket is dumped. Then you start over again. I hope things have changed since those days but I really don't know, other than that they can still pay less than minimum wage. |
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On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids who > are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. You obviously didn't watch any of the video, or read any stories about this. Men are committing suicide to get out of slavery. They are forced to work for 22 hours per day with no pay, and are sold from boat to boat. They get one meal of rice per day. Horrible living conditions and never get to touch land once they are sold into slavery. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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On 6/10/2014 6:53 PM, Chemo wrote:
> Define slave labor. > Watch the video. Learn something. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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On 6/10/2014 6:53 PM, Chemo wrote:
> Define slave labor. > We're all prawns in the game of life. |
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![]() > On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > > > I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids who > > are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. Janet UK |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:14:45 -0400, Travis McGee >
wrote: >On 6/10/2014 6:53 PM, Chemo wrote: >> Define slave labor. > >We're all prawns in the game of life. I'd be a cannibal if that were true. |
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On 6/10/2014 7:28 PM, Janet wrote:
> >> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >>> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids who >>> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. > > Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a > poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. > > Janet UK > I try not to Julie bash, but her response actually surprised me. That video and what's going on and the fact that I never heard about it on the news totally ****es me off and saddens me immensely. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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![]() "Cheryl" > wrote in message eb.com... > On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > >> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids who >> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. > > You obviously didn't watch any of the video, or read any stories about > this. Men are committing suicide to get out of slavery. They are forced > to work for 22 hours per day with no pay, and are sold from boat to boat. > They get one meal of rice per day. Horrible living conditions and never > get to touch land once they are sold into slavery. No I didn't. I choose not to watch such things and I don't care for most videos. Sadly there is still slavery in this country in all sorts of places. I've seen shows on TV about sex slaves. And I've read stories particularly about people from other countries who were sold to people here. They can't escape because they don't know anyone here, don't speak the language and have been threatened with their life should they try to escape. |
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![]() "Janet" > wrote in message t... > >> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> > I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids >> > who >> > are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. > > Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a > poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. It wasn't a poor me. I chose not to do that again. I didn't have to. Some people have to. Stuff like that happens and most people wouldn't know about it. And in that case it was legal! There are all sorts of things going on around us that we don't know about. |
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![]() "Cheryl" > wrote in message eb.com... > On 6/10/2014 7:28 PM, Janet wrote: >> >>> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids >>>> who >>>> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. >> >> Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a >> poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. >> >> Janet UK >> > I try not to Julie bash, but her response actually surprised me. That > video and what's going on and the fact that I never heard about it on the > news totally ****es me off and saddens me immensely. > I didn't watch the video and I won't but it sure doesn't surprise me at all. Am I happy about it? No. I don't eat prawns or any seafood so at least I am not contributing to any of that. Don't forget, my husband was in the Coast Guard. So I have likely heard of things that you haven't. |
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On 6/10/2014 3:20 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> This is appalling! I see that as of today, Walmart and Costco and hopefully others are finally taking action. <http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/06/10/costco-walmart-slave-labor/10274641/> "\"We are committed to working with our suppliers of Thai shrimp to require them to take corrective action to police their feedstock sources with respect to poor labor practices," said Costco. "This commitment so far has involved visits by our buying staff to Thailand and discussions with the Thai government, our suppliers, and other industry participants."\" I'm very happy to read this and hope they mean it. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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On 6/10/2014 7:11 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > >> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids who >> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. > > You obviously didn't watch any of the video, or read any stories about > this. Men are committing suicide to get out of slavery. They are > forced to work for 22 hours per day with no pay, and are sold from boat > to boat. They get one meal of rice per day. Horrible living conditions > and never get to touch land once they are sold into slavery. > Sadly, with every post it's all about Julie. Jill |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:02:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > >"Cheryl" > wrote in message web.com... >> This is appalling! I can't believe this goes on, even in third world >> countries, and that our supermarkets are, whether knowingly or >> unknowingly, supporting it. And we are by buying them, now that we know >> about it. >> >> <http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/video/2014/jun/10/slavery-supermarket-supply-trail-prawns-video> >> >> "A six-month Guardian multimedia investigation has, for the first time, >> tracked how some of the world's big-supermakets, Tesco, Aldi, Walmart and >> Morrisons, are using suppliers relying on slave labour to put cheap prawns >> on their shelves. Slavery is back and here's the proof." >> >> Not good. >> >I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids who are >15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. I picked cucumbers for >one day back in the 1970's. We were treated like slaves. A man walked up >and down the rows with a wooden baton (like for relay races) and threatened >to hit us with it if we didn't pick fast enough. I never got hit. But we >were not allowed to have a break for water or to use the outhouse except for >at lunch time. We had to eat our lunch inside an old school bus. It was >very hot. They did give us each a candy bar at the end of the day which >nobody wanted because it was so hot. The candy was melted. > >Minimum wage in those days was around $2 an hour. I got a check for $2.21 >for a long day's work. I got an extreme sunburn (no sunscreen in those >days) and I could barely move. They required us to straddle the rows and >bend to pick. We had to fill two 5 gallon buckets at a time then walk them >to the sorting truck. We were required to pick cucumbers of a certain size. >If we picked too many that were the wrong size, we didn't get credit for the >bucket. Same if the bucket wasn't full. But no second chances! Do it >wrong and your bucket is dumped. Then you start over again. > >I hope things have changed since those days but I really don't know, other >than that they can still pay less than minimum wage. You're an ignorant, self-centred disgrace. |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:31:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: >"Cheryl" > wrote in message web.com... >> On 6/10/2014 7:28 PM, Janet wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay kids >>>>> who >>>>> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. >>> >>> Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a >>> poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. >>> >> I try not to Julie bash, but her response actually surprised me. That >> video and what's going on and the fact that I never heard about it on the >> news totally ****es me off and saddens me immensely. >> >I didn't watch the video and I won't but it sure doesn't surprise me at all. >Am I happy about it? No. I don't eat prawns or any seafood so at least I >am not contributing to any of that. Don't forget, my husband was in the >Coast Guard. So I have likely heard of things that you haven't. Unbelievable... |
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On 6/10/2014 8:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Cheryl" > wrote in message > eb.com... >> On 6/10/2014 7:28 PM, Janet wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay >>>>> kids who >>>>> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. >>> >>> Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a >>> poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. >>> >>> Janet UK >>> >> I try not to Julie bash, but her response actually surprised me. >> That video and what's going on and the fact that I never heard about >> it on the news totally ****es me off and saddens me immensely. >> > I didn't watch the video and I won't but it sure doesn't surprise me at > all. Am I happy about it? No. I don't eat prawns or any seafood so at > least I am not contributing to any of that. Don't forget, my husband > was in the Coast Guard. So I have likely heard of things that you haven't. Oh please, don't try to justify your ignorance. Jill |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:33:25 -0700, The Other Guy
> wrote: >On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Chemo > >wrote: > >>Define slave labor. > >Explain what this has to do with cooking. > ><sigh> Explain all your unix-zealot posts here then. |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:43:06 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 6/10/2014 8:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "Cheryl" > wrote in message >> eb.com... >>> On 6/10/2014 7:28 PM, Janet wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay >>>>>> kids who >>>>>> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. >>>> >>>> Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a >>>> poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. >>>> >>>> Janet UK >>>> >>> I try not to Julie bash, but her response actually surprised me. >>> That video and what's going on and the fact that I never heard about >>> it on the news totally ****es me off and saddens me immensely. >>> >> I didn't watch the video and I won't but it sure doesn't surprise me at >> all. Am I happy about it? No. I don't eat prawns or any seafood so at >> least I am not contributing to any of that. Don't forget, my husband >> was in the Coast Guard. So I have likely heard of things that you haven't. > >Oh please, don't try to justify your ignorance. Never mind the complete selfishness. |
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On 6/10/2014 8:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Cheryl" > wrote in message > eb.com... >> On 6/10/2014 7:28 PM, Janet wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay >>>>> kids who >>>>> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. >>> >>> Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a >>> poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. >>> >>> Janet UK >>> >> I try not to Julie bash, but her response actually surprised me. >> That video and what's going on and the fact that I never heard about >> it on the news totally ****es me off and saddens me immensely. >> > I didn't watch the video and I won't but it sure doesn't surprise me at > all. Am I happy about it? No. I don't eat prawns or any seafood so at > least I am not contributing to any of that. Don't forget, my husband > was in the Coast Guard. So I have likely heard of things that you haven't. But doesn't it appall you? No, I never heard about this until today. I wanted people to know what people are doing to supply us with our seafood as soon as I read it. It is horrifying. I realize now it's gone on for years, and seafood isn't the only market trafficking humans, but it is relevant to this newsgroup because a lot of us cook shrimp. I LOVE shrimp. Will I boycott it until this is resolved? YES. Do I think I'll ever get to eat shrimp again? I doubt it. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:38:29 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote: >I refuse to turn a blind eye at this but I don't know what to do. I can >boycott seafood, but I am just one person. Whilst not slavery: as of last year, our scallops are being exported to Thailand to be shucked - then sent back to Tasmania as 'fresh' scallops. We have unemployment well over 10% and they're shipping them to Thailand... I love scallops, but I won't buy them shucked anymore. |
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On 6/10/2014 10:42 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:38:29 -0400, Cheryl > > wrote: > >> I refuse to turn a blind eye at this but I don't know what to do. I can >> boycott seafood, but I am just one person. > > Whilst not slavery: as of last year, our scallops are being exported > to Thailand to be shucked - then sent back to Tasmania as 'fresh' > scallops. We have unemployment well over 10% and they're shipping them > to Thailand... I love scallops, but I won't buy them shucked anymore. I've heard/read tales that the same thing happens in USA with regard to fish/shellfish caught in coastal waters only to be shipped and processed in Asia, then sent back to USA as 'locally' caught. Very scary! Makes it important to know one's fishmonger and such, if any exist locally :/ Sky |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 02:54:55 -0500, Sky >
wrote: >On 6/10/2014 10:42 PM, Jeßus wrote: >> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:38:29 -0400, Cheryl > >> wrote: >> >>> I refuse to turn a blind eye at this but I don't know what to do. I can >>> boycott seafood, but I am just one person. >> >> Whilst not slavery: as of last year, our scallops are being exported >> to Thailand to be shucked - then sent back to Tasmania as 'fresh' >> scallops. We have unemployment well over 10% and they're shipping them >> to Thailand... I love scallops, but I won't buy them shucked anymore. > >I've heard/read tales that the same thing happens in USA with regard to >fish/shellfish caught in coastal waters only to be shipped and processed >in Asia, then sent back to USA as 'locally' caught. Very scary! Makes >it important to know one's fishmonger and such, if any exist locally :/ Yes, very much so. Such a great idea from an environmental standpoint, as well. Not! |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 02:54:55 -0500, Sky >
wrote: > On 6/10/2014 10:42 PM, Jeßus wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:38:29 -0400, Cheryl > > > wrote: > > > >> I refuse to turn a blind eye at this but I don't know what to do. I can > >> boycott seafood, but I am just one person. > > > > Whilst not slavery: as of last year, our scallops are being exported > > to Thailand to be shucked - then sent back to Tasmania as 'fresh' > > scallops. We have unemployment well over 10% and they're shipping them > > to Thailand... I love scallops, but I won't buy them shucked anymore. > > I've heard/read tales that the same thing happens in USA with regard to > fish/shellfish caught in coastal waters only to be shipped and processed > in Asia, then sent back to USA as 'locally' caught. Very scary! Makes > it important to know one's fishmonger and such, if any exist locally :/ > That sort of thing doesn't just happen in the fishing industry. We ship our raw lumber to Asia where it's milled and then sent back because even with all that time and travel, it's still less expensive than doing it at home. Look what happened to our steel industry, clothing, shoes, large appliances... computers. The labor for just about every major industry is located in Asia these days and those workers might as well be called slaves considering their poor working conditions +pay. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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Cheryl wrote:
> > But doesn't it appall you? No, I never heard about this until today. I > wanted people to know what people are doing to supply us with our > seafood as soon as I read it. It is horrifying. I realize now it's gone > on for years, and seafood isn't the only market trafficking humans, but > it is relevant to this newsgroup because a lot of us cook shrimp. I > LOVE shrimp. Will I boycott it until this is resolved? YES. Do I > think I'll ever get to eat shrimp again? I doubt it. I hope you do realize Cheryl that this is not the case always. Shanghaiing people has gone on for hundreds of years. Nothing new. Keep in mind that there are many fishermen (of all seafood species) that don't do this. If you want to boycott shrimp or all seafood, you will only hurt the honest fishermen and their families. You're starting to sound like sf now. Settle down. I'll continue to eat anything that I care to. I'm not going to penalize the good fishermen just because there is some abuse in the industry. G. |
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Cheryl wrote:
> > I > LOVE shrimp. Will I boycott it until this is resolved? YES. Do I > think I'll ever get to eat shrimp again? I doubt it. Be sure to quit buying all vegetables too. Ever seen a migrant work neighbor during harvest time. And boycott all meat as the animals are mistreated. Trying to make change in these situations is a good thing but just blindly boycotting all that food is the wrong way to go about it. You'll take down the good people before you get rid of the evil ones. G. |
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On 6/11/2014 11:29 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cheryl wrote: >> >> But doesn't it appall you? No, I never heard about this until today. I >> wanted people to know what people are doing to supply us with our >> seafood as soon as I read it. It is horrifying. I realize now it's gone >> on for years, and seafood isn't the only market trafficking humans, but >> it is relevant to this newsgroup because a lot of us cook shrimp. I >> LOVE shrimp. Will I boycott it until this is resolved? YES. Do I >> think I'll ever get to eat shrimp again? I doubt it. > > I hope you do realize Cheryl that this is not the case always. > Shanghaiing people has gone on for hundreds of years. Nothing new. > > Keep in mind that there are many fishermen (of all seafood species) > that don't do this. If you want to boycott shrimp or all seafood, you > will only hurt the honest fishermen and their families. You're > starting to sound like sf now. Settle down. > > I'll continue to eat anything that I care to. I'm not going to > penalize the good fishermen just because there is some abuse in the > industry. > > G. > All you have to do is read the labels. I'm very fortunate to live where I do. Shrimp season is starting. I don't buy store-bought frozen shrimp but if I had to I'd certainly look to see where it came from. Thankfully I have the option to get it fresh caught right from the Atlantic ocean. ![]() Jill |
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![]() "Gary" > wrote in message ... > I'll continue to eat anything that I care to. I'm not going to > penalize the good fishermen just because there is some abuse in the > industry. > > G. +1 Cheri |
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On 6/11/2014 11:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> All you have to do is read the labels. I'm very fortunate to live where > I do. Shrimp season is starting. I don't buy store-bought frozen > shrimp but if I had to I'd certainly look to see where it came from. > > Thankfully I have the option to get it fresh caught right from the > Atlantic ocean. ![]() > > Jill Labels don't always tell the real story. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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jmcquown wrote:
> > All you have to do is read the labels. I'm very fortunate to live where > I do. Shrimp season is starting. I don't buy store-bought frozen > shrimp but if I had to I'd certainly look to see where it came from. > > Thankfully I have the option to get it fresh caught right from the > Atlantic ocean. ![]() I'm with you there, Jill. I live one mile from the ocean, 5 miles from the Chesapeake Bay and 2-3 miles from smaller bays off the Cheasapeake. I get most of my seafood fresh. Sadly, no local shrimp here but it comes from close....about 100 miles away. Even frozen shrimp though..just because it comes from Asia or whatever, doesn't mean that slaves are catching it. There are many honest fishermen everywhere just trying to make a living. Low cost? Remember too that cost of living is much lower in some other countries too. G. |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:29:58 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote: >On 6/11/2014 11:56 AM, jmcquown wrote: > >> All you have to do is read the labels. I'm very fortunate to live where >> I do. Shrimp season is starting. I don't buy store-bought frozen >> shrimp but if I had to I'd certainly look to see where it came from. >> >> Thankfully I have the option to get it fresh caught right from the >> Atlantic ocean. ![]() >> >> Jill > >Labels don't always tell the real story. That's true. Can't always be trusted. |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:11:21 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote: >On 6/10/2014 8:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "Cheryl" > wrote in message >> eb.com... >>> On 6/10/2014 7:28 PM, Janet wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/10/2014 6:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't know how other states work, but here it is legal to pay >>>>>> kids who >>>>>> are 15 or less far less than minimum wage for farm work. >>>> >>>> Even a thread about fishing slaves in Thailand, can be turned into a >>>> poor-me tale about Julie and cucumbers. >>>> >>>> Janet UK >>>> >>> I try not to Julie bash, but her response actually surprised me. >>> That video and what's going on and the fact that I never heard about >>> it on the news totally ****es me off and saddens me immensely. >>> >> I didn't watch the video and I won't but it sure doesn't surprise me at >> all. Am I happy about it? No. I don't eat prawns or any seafood so at >> least I am not contributing to any of that. Don't forget, my husband >> was in the Coast Guard. So I have likely heard of things that you haven't. > >But doesn't it appall you? No, I never heard about this until today. I >wanted people to know what people are doing to supply us with our >seafood as soon as I read it. It is horrifying. I realize now it's gone >on for years, and seafood isn't the only market trafficking humans, but >it is relevant to this newsgroup because a lot of us cook shrimp. I >LOVE shrimp. Will I boycott it until this is resolved? YES. Do I >think I'll ever get to eat shrimp again? I doubt it. Why not buy local or imported from reputable sources? It is more expensive but you can eat it with a clear conscience. JB |
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