The uproar that happened made them take another look.
This is a good thing.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
> This is a good thing.
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/

Yay!

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>This is a good thing.
>
>http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/

" (at least temporarily)"...

The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
issued a statement:

"The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that “all plant
equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
maintained.” 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
microorganisms in the finished products."

They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
anymore.

Jeßus > wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>> This is a good thing.
>>
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>
> " (at least temporarily)"...
>
> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
> issued a statement:
>
> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that “all plant
> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
> maintained.” 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
> microorganisms in the finished products."
>
> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
> anymore.

Oh they know, it's just that the companies the FDA is employed by do not
wish to compete with people who manufacture real food.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

>Jeßus > wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>>> This is a good thing.
>>>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>>
>> " (at least temporarily)"...
>>
>> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
>> issued a statement:
>>
>> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
>> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that ?all plant
>> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
>> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
>> maintained.? 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
>> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
>> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
>> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
>> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
>> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
>> microorganisms in the finished products."
>>
>> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
>> anymore.
>
>Oh they know, it's just that the companies the FDA is employed by do not
>wish to compete with people who manufacture real food.

Yes, I know... it's at the point where even the most
non-conspiratorial types are now acknowledging that. Finally.

It'll take a lot more than just that to get them to let go of
government offices though. Many government departments have bought
large amounts of ammunition - hollow point bullets, no less. I expect
they've anticipated significant resistance from the public at some
point in the future. Why does the IRS, Education, Health depts, Social
Security or the EPA need millions of hollow point bullets? Why are
American police forces becoming militarised?

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
> > wrote:
>
>>Jeßus > wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>>>> This is a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>>>
>>> " (at least temporarily)"...
>>>
>>> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
>>> issued a statement:
>>>
>>> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
>>> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that ?all plant
>>> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
>>> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
>>> maintained.? 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
>>> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
>>> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
>>> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
>>> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
>>> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
>>> microorganisms in the finished products."
>>>
>>> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
>>> anymore.
>>
>>Oh they know, it's just that the companies the FDA is employed by do not
>>wish to compete with people who manufacture real food.
>
> Yes, I know... it's at the point where even the most
> non-conspiratorial types are now acknowledging that. Finally.
>
> It'll take a lot more than just that to get them to let go of
> government offices though. Many government departments have bought
> large amounts of ammunition - hollow point bullets, no less. I expect
> they've anticipated significant resistance from the public at some
> point in the future. Why does the IRS, Education, Health depts, Social
> Security or the EPA need millions of hollow point bullets? Why are
> American police forces becoming militarised?


While the militarization is somewhat true because that is how they recycle
all the Iraq war hardware, I have yet to see any real proof that they are
buying millions of bullets.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
> > wrote:
>
>>Jeßus > wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>>>> This is a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>>>
>>> " (at least temporarily)"...
>>>
>>> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
>>> issued a statement:
>>>
>>> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
>>> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that ?all plant
>>> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
>>> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
>>> maintained.? 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
>>> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
>>> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
>>> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
>>> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
>>> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
>>> microorganisms in the finished products."
>>>
>>> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
>>> anymore.
>>
>>Oh they know, it's just that the companies the FDA is employed by do not
>>wish to compete with people who manufacture real food.
>
> Yes, I know... it's at the point where even the most
> non-conspiratorial types are now acknowledging that. Finally.
>
> It'll take a lot more than just that to get them to let go of
> government offices though. Many government departments have bought
> large amounts of ammunition - hollow point bullets, no less. I expect
> they've anticipated significant resistance from the public at some
> point in the future. Why does the IRS, Education, Health depts, Social
> Security or the EPA need millions of hollow point bullets? Why are
> American police forces becoming militarised?

On 2014-06-11 22:12:05 +0000, Jeßus said:

> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
> > wrote:
>
>> Jeßus > wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>>>> This is a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>>>>
>>>
>>> " (at least temporarily)"...
>>>
>>> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
>>> issued a statement:
>>>
>>> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
>>> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that ?all plant
>>> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
>>> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
>>> maintained.? 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
>>> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
>>> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
>>> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
>>> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
>>> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
>>> microorganisms in the finished products."
>>>
>>> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
>>> anymore.
>>
>> Oh they know, it's just that the companies the FDA is employed by do not
>> wish to compete with people who manufacture real food.
>
> Yes, I know... it's at the point where even the most
> non-conspiratorial types are now acknowledging that. Finally.
>
> It'll take a lot more than just that to get them to let go of
> government offices though. Many government departments have bought
> large amounts of ammunition - hollow point bullets, no less. I expect
> they've anticipated significant resistance from the public at some
> point in the future. Why does the IRS, Education, Health depts, Social
> Security or the EPA need millions of hollow point bullets? Why are
> American police forces becoming militarised?

They're probably going to drop the sham elections and the fiction that
we are under the Constitution sooner than later. Look for a
combination gun grab / martial law crackdown - that's the signal.

ImStillMags > wrote in
:

> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
> This is a good thing.
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...backs-down-in-
> fight-over-aged-cheese/

IMO, the FDA should require that any cheesemaker, or any other manufacturer
of foods, dietary supplements or medicines be fully insured for liability,
then let the market determine safety. Insurance conpany actuaries care
about *actual* risk. If the risk was too great, the insurers would price
coverage such that it would be prohibitive. The FDA should be less about
banning that truth in labeling.

We will never have reasonable tort reform while one party is so beholden to
trial lawyers, while the other is hostile to any lawsuits against companies
that produce unsafe products; each party is protecting their campaign
dollars. The GOP is--as usual--more to blame, as they support the Citizens
United decision, which is Fascist.

--
--Bryan

Winters_Lackey wrote:
>

>
> We will never have reasonable tort reform while one party is so beholden to
> trial lawyers, while the other is hostile to any lawsuits against companies
> that produce unsafe products; each party is protecting their campaign
> dollars. The GOP is--as usual--more to blame, as they support the Citizens
> United decision, which is Fascist.

Except that here in Texas we have tort reform, which is one reason the
medical business is booming here (along with nearly every other
business).

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:46:17 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

>On 2014-06-11 22:12:05 +0000, Jeßus said:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Jeßus > wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>>>>> This is a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> " (at least temporarily)"...
>>>>
>>>> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
>>>> issued a statement:
>>>>
>>>> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
>>>> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that ?all plant
>>>> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
>>>> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
>>>> maintained.? 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
>>>> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
>>>> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
>>>> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
>>>> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
>>>> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
>>>> microorganisms in the finished products."
>>>>
>>>> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
>>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Oh they know, it's just that the companies the FDA is employed by do not
>>> wish to compete with people who manufacture real food.
>>
>> Yes, I know... it's at the point where even the most
>> non-conspiratorial types are now acknowledging that. Finally.
>>
>> It'll take a lot more than just that to get them to let go of
>> government offices though. Many government departments have bought
>> large amounts of ammunition - hollow point bullets, no less. I expect
>> they've anticipated significant resistance from the public at some
>> point in the future. Why does the IRS, Education, Health depts, Social
>> Security or the EPA need millions of hollow point bullets? Why are
>> American police forces becoming militarised?
>
>They're probably going to drop the sham elections and the fiction that
>we are under the Constitution sooner than later.

They might as well drop elections, and save the cost of an election
into the bargain.

>Look for a
>combination gun grab / martial law crackdown - that's the signal.

They trialled it in Boston and it seemed to go pretty smoothly for
them.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:06:50 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Winters_Lackey wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> We will never have reasonable tort reform while one party is so beholden to
>> trial lawyers, while the other is hostile to any lawsuits against companies
>> that produce unsafe products; each party is protecting their campaign
>> dollars. The GOP is--as usual--more to blame, as they support the Citizens
>> United decision, which is Fascist.
>
>Except that here in Texas we have tort reform, which is one reason the
>medical business is booming here (along with nearly every other
>business).

Yes. Otherwise known as the freedum(b) from liability for anything if
you are rich or incorporated principle. It was true enough before,
given Texas Courts Inc. Now it is statutory.

B. Server > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:06:50 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Winters_Lackey wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> We will never have reasonable tort reform while one party is so
>>> beholden to trial lawyers, while the other is hostile to any
>>> lawsuits against companies that produce unsafe products; each party
>>> is protecting their campaign dollars. The GOP is--as usual--more to
>>> blame, as they support the Citizens United decision, which is
>>> Fascist.
>>
>>Except that here in Texas we have tort reform, which is one reason the
>>medical business is booming here (along with nearly every other
>>business).
>
> Yes. Otherwise known as the freedum(b) from liability for anything if
> you are rich or incorporated principle. It was true enough before,
> given Texas Courts Inc. Now it is statutory.
>
The Fascist Republic of Texas.
>



--
--Bryan
You can cover up your guts, but when you cover up your nuts
You're admitting that there must be something wrong.
-The Who https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FSZhCKbQZc

On 6/11/2014 4:16 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>> This is a good thing.
>>
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>
> " (at least temporarily)"...
>
> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
> issued a statement:
>
> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that “all plant
> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
> maintained.” 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
> microorganisms in the finished products."

The FDA's clarification explains it:


Recently, you may have heard some concerns suggesting the FDA has
taken steps to end the long-standing practice in the cheesemaking
industry of using wooden boards to age cheese. To be clear, we have
not and are not prohibiting or banning the long-standing practice of
using wood shelving in artisanal cheese. Nor does the FDA Food Safety
Modernization Act (FSMA) require any such action. Reports to the
contrary are not accurate.

The agency’s regulations do not specifically address the use of
shelving made of wood in cheesemaking, nor is there any FSMA
requirement in effect that addresses this issue. Moreover, the FDA has
not taken any enforcement action based solely on the use of wooden
shelves.

At issue is a January 2014 communication from the agency’s Center for
Food Safety and Applied Nutrition to the New York State Department of
Agriculture and Markets’ Division of Milk Control and Dairy Services,
which was sent in response to questions from New York State.

The FDA recognizes that this communication has prompted concerns in
the artisanal cheesemaking community. The communication was not
intended as an official policy statement, but was provided as
background information on the use of wooden shelving for aging cheeses
and as an analysis of related scientific publications. Further, we
recognize that the language used in this communication may have
appeared more definitive than it should have, in light of the agency’s
actual practices on this issue.

The FDA has taken enforcement action in some situations where we have
found the presence of Listeria monocytogenes at facilities that used
such shelving. Since 2010, FDA inspections have found Listeria
monocytogenes in more than 20 percent of inspections of artisanal
cheesemakers. However, the FDA does not have data that directly
associates these instances of contamination with the use of wood shelving.

In the interest of public health, the FDA’s current regulations state
that utensils and other surfaces that contact food must be “adequately
cleanable” and “properly maintained.” Historically, the FDA has
expressed concern about whether wood meets this requirement and these
concerns have been noted in its inspectional findings. However, the
FDA will engage with the artisanal cheesemaking community, state
officials and others to learn more about current practices and discuss
the safety of aging certain types of cheeses on wooden shelving, as
well as to invite stakeholders to share any data or evidence they have
gathered related to safety and the use of wood surfaces. We welcome
this open dialogue.

>
> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
> anymore.
>

Their job is to reduce risk of foodborne contamination and illnesses
caused by such. Unfortunately, that stance often clashes with
desirable food attributes, most often flavor.

On 6/12/2014 4:42 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:46:17 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-11 22:12:05 +0000, Jeßus said:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The uproar that happened made them take another look.
>>>>>> This is a good thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...r-aged-cheese/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> " (at least temporarily)"...
>>>>>
>>>>> The FDA claims they never changed their policy, even though they
>>>>> issued a statement:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening
>>>>> does not conform to cGMP requirements, which require that ?all plant
>>>>> equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and
>>>>> workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly
>>>>> maintained.? 21 CFR 110.40(a). Wooden shelves or boards cannot be
>>>>> adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood
>>>>> enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally
>>>>> colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The
>>>>> shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished
>>>>> products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic
>>>>> microorganisms in the finished products."
>>>>>
>>>>> They are a bad joke. I don't think they have idea what food is,
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Oh they know, it's just that the companies the FDA is employed by do not
>>>> wish to compete with people who manufacture real food.
>>>
>>> Yes, I know... it's at the point where even the most
>>> non-conspiratorial types are now acknowledging that. Finally.
>>>
>>> It'll take a lot more than just that to get them to let go of
>>> government offices though. Many government departments have bought
>>> large amounts of ammunition - hollow point bullets, no less. I expect
>>> they've anticipated significant resistance from the public at some
>>> point in the future. Why does the IRS, Education, Health depts, Social
>>> Security or the EPA need millions of hollow point bullets? Why are
>>> American police forces becoming militarised?
>>
>> They're probably going to drop the sham elections and the fiction that
>> we are under the Constitution sooner than later.
>
> They might as well drop elections, and save the cost of an election
> into the bargain.
>
>> Look for a
>> combination gun grab / martial law crackdown - that's the signal.
>
> They trialled it in Boston and it seemed to go pretty smoothly for
> them.
>

I'm sure your immediate family has already confronted you about your
mental illness, but I'll add to their words: Get help.