No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
find no such pub. Anyone have any details?

nb

On 24 Jun 2014 14:26:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
>the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
>or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
>find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>
>nb
That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
he had found the secret for maintenance.
Janet US

On 2014-06-24, Janet Bostwick > wrote:

> That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
> beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
> he had found the secret for maintenance.

Yeah, that's the prob. Seems like I'm already doing what he
recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. Pretty much jes
stick to his "0x" foods. No chips, crackers, hot dogs,
processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
I could jes resist beer.

nb

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-06-24, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
>
> > beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
>
> > he had found the secret for maintenance.
>
>
>
> Yeah, that's the prob. Seems like I'm already doing what he
>
> recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. Pretty much jes
>
> stick to his "0x" foods. No chips, crackers, hot dogs,
>
> processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
>
> I could jes resist beer.
>
>
>
> nb

I keep trying to get you over to the Primal side. It works. and it is something you can stick to because it's not a diet...

http://www.marksdailyapple.com

notbob wrote:
> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
> the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
> or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
> find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>
> nb

You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
watch your body composition improve.

-S-

On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:

> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> watch your body composition improve.

I saw this morning that some people are having great success
controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.

nancy

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
> > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > watch your body composition improve.
>
> I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
>
I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
What is that all about?


--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
> > On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> >
> > > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > > watch your body composition improve.
> >
> > I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> > controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
> >
> I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
> What is that all about?

Hopefully just the random nature of things.

On 24/06/2014 9:40 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-06-24, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
>
>> That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
>> beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
>> he had found the secret for maintenance.
>
> Yeah, that's the prob. Seems like I'm already doing what he
> recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. Pretty much jes
> stick to his "0x" foods. No chips, crackers, hot dogs,
> processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
> I could jes resist beer.
>
> nb
>
Same here but it's mostly wine in my case.
Graham

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:19 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> > >
> > > > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > > > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > > > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > > > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > > > watch your body composition improve.
> > >
> > > I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> > > controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
> > >
> > I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
> > What is that all about?
>
> Hopefully just the random nature of things.

Geeze, I hope so! I don't know much about the disease, but they even
had the same pre-MS diagnosis - some sort of partial paralysis. I
don't know if it always precedes MS or if that was just another
coincidence. But two friends, virtually the same age, living in the
same general area (one closer than the other, but still within 30
miles of me) with the same symptoms and diagnosed within months of
each other?

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:19 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > > > > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > > > > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > > > > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > > > > watch your body composition improve.
> > > >
> > > > I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> > > > controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
> > > >
> > > I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
> > > What is that all about?
> >
> > Hopefully just the random nature of things.
>
> Geeze, I hope so! I don't know much about the disease, but they even
> had the same pre-MS diagnosis - some sort of partial paralysis. I
> don't know if it always precedes MS or if that was just another
> coincidence. But two friends, virtually the same age, living in the
> same general area (one closer than the other, but still within 30
> miles of me) with the same symptoms and diagnosed within months of
> each other?

As you know, the "authorities" always downplay any sort of disease
"clusters"...

On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
>> the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
>> or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
>> find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>
>> nb
>
> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> watch your body composition improve.
>

Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
time to deal with existing body fat.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>>> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all
>>> over the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>>> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like
>>> Me", or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as
>>> I can find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
>> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the
>> man-made kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out
>> most or all of the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with
>> fruit as well, and watch your body composition improve.
>>
>
> Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
> that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
> help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
> break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
> your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
> it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
> it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
> work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
> still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
> time to deal with existing body fat.

I agree with this 100%. It's really a question of that old saw, "What
doesn't kill you makes you stronger." If you feed yourself constantly,
you are addressing the symptom, hunger, without strengthening yourself
and it eventually weakens you - in my humble opinion.

-S-

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:24:11 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:19 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > > > > > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > > > > > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > > > > > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > > > > > watch your body composition improve.
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> > > > > controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
> > > > >
> > > > I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
> > > > What is that all about?
> > >
> > > Hopefully just the random nature of things.
> >
> > Geeze, I hope so! I don't know much about the disease, but they even
> > had the same pre-MS diagnosis - some sort of partial paralysis. I
> > don't know if it always precedes MS or if that was just another
> > coincidence. But two friends, virtually the same age, living in the
> > same general area (one closer than the other, but still within 30
> > miles of me) with the same symptoms and diagnosed within months of
> > each other?
>
> As you know, the "authorities" always downplay any sort of disease
> "clusters"...

Which is one of the reasons why I'm creeped out by this.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:40:36 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> Seems like I'm already doing what he
> recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. No chips, crackers, hot
> dogs,processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
> I could jes resist beer.
>
>
> nb
>
>
If you are not willing to give up beer you might as well dig into the chips and crackers and other snack foods.

On 6/24/2014 2:12 PM, wrote:

> It was supposedly a 'north American' illness but recently doctors in
> India starting diagnosing women there with MS at the same rate as
> here, previously it went undiagnosed.
>
The UK has the highest rate of MS in the world.

On 2014-06-24, ImStillMags > wrote:

> I keep trying to get you over to the Primal side. It works. and it is something you can stick to because it's not a diet...

BTDT. Too restrictive.

nb

On 2014-06-25, > wrote:

> Eat a little of everything, not too much of anything.....

BINGO!!!

I've been a bit LARGE all my life. Been on every "diet" ever
invented. I once saw a documentary that sed that yer body has a
memeory. Any diet you've ever been on will never work again. I truly
believe that.

One diet does actually work! Repeatedly. As Debra DiGiovanni puts
it: "There's this new way to lose weight. Have you heard of this
before? It's called eating less and exercising."

I remember when I got divorced. Lost my appetite, completely. Still
hadda work 8-12 hrs day, never sitting down, but jes didn't eat.
Plain toast in morn. Cup of homemade soup (our Mex chef was awesome
with soups), long walk to mkt to buy bottle killer German beer....
Lost 50lbs in 5 mos. I remember feeling the emptiness in my gut.

Well, not been married in 25 yrs. Need a new incentive. Staying
alive? The fight continues.

nb

On 6/24/2014 1:18 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
>>>> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
>>>> kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
>>>> the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
>>>> watch your body composition improve.
>>>
>>> I saw this morning that some people are having great success
>>> controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
>>>
>> I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
>> What is that all about?
>
> Hopefully just the random nature of things.
>
And I know of so many people being diagnosed with cancer lately, much
more than I've ever known before. Of many age groups. Cancer seems like
an epidemic.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 6/24/2014 4:26 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>> On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>>>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>>>> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all
>>>> over the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>>>> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like
>>>> Me", or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as
>>>> I can find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
>>> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the
>>> man-made kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out
>>> most or all of the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with
>>> fruit as well, and watch your body composition improve.
>>>
>>
>> Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
>> that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
>> help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
>> break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
>> your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
>> it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
>> it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
>> work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
>> still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
>> time to deal with existing body fat.
>
> I agree with this 100%. It's really a question of that old saw, "What
> doesn't kill you makes you stronger." If you feed yourself constantly,
> you are addressing the symptom, hunger, without strengthening yourself
> and it eventually weakens you - in my humble opinion.
>
> -S-
>
>
This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a day
to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the morning,
a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner. Snacks should
be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/24/2014 4:26 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>> On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>>>>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live
>>>>> with that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video
>>>>> is all over the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been
>>>>> quashed by copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book,
>>>>> "Buff, Like Me", or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his
>>>>> usual jokes, as I can find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves
>>>> and berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the
>>>> man-made kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out
>>>> most or all of the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with
>>>> fruit as well, and watch your body composition improve.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
>>> that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
>>> help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
>>> break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
>>> your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
>>> it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
>>> it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
>>> work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
>>> still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
>>> time to deal with existing body fat.
>>
>> I agree with this 100%. It's really a question of that old saw,
>> "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." If you feed yourself
>> constantly, you are addressing the symptom, hunger, without
>> strengthening yourself and it eventually weakens you - in my humble
>> opinion. -S-
>>
>>
> This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
> nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a
> day to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
> veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the
> morning, a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner.
> Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.

The correct response here is "it depends." For most people most of the
time, eating 5 meals a day is like wearing cushy running shoes.
Everyone thought - for years, for decades - that what we needed was to
wear cushioned shoes that prevented our feet from pronating. They have
lately figured out, however, that those very shoes are what makes us
feel better for a while but eventually makes most people worse as they
lose their natural ability to absorb shock with a proper footstrike as
their foot lands underneath them. Put on the cushy shoe and you start
overstriding to the front, you start landing heels first, and you just
mess up what _was_ a perfectly good system of shock absorbtion give to
you by Mother Nature.

Yes, if all you do is sit on your ass all day, you may find you can't
figure out how to run without cushy shoes. That would be your (not you
personally, Cheryl, of course) problem. Get off your ass, walk a couple
of miles every day, and you'll be able to learn how to run without cushy
shoes.

The same applies to frequent feedings. We were born and bred not to
live that kind of life. Our bodies do all sorts of good things when we
_don't_ eat, fasting is a religious tradition that goes back thousands
of years, and you simply don't need to eat 5 times a day. But, of
course, you can't switch cold turkey to eating less often any more than
you can pick 300 lbs. up off the floor, which I can, because I took my
time and learned how to do it and then I practiced it a lot, a real lot.

There are people who need to eat often, but they're generally big and
trying to get bigger, e.g., they're professional athletes of some sort
in a sport where being 250 lbs. is considered small. Those people
should eat all the time.

But for the rest of us, the saying that what doesn't kill you makes you
stronger is still true, and the best thing everyone with a weight
problem can do is learn to be a little hungry and not panic at that
feeling. Being a little hungry for part of every day is a good thing.

There are plenty of people giving out old advice, plenty of doctors who
will still tell you to take statins and avoid naturally occuring
saturated fats, and a whole lot of other things that go against the way
our bodies were designed to work. If anyone wishes to take that sort of
advice, that would again be their problem.

For the record, I'm 59 years old and I picked 350 lbs. up off the floor
at a powerlifting competition 2 weekends ago, setting a new New Jersy
state record for my age and weight (149 lbs.) class. My body
composition is good, all my blood markers are good, my resting pulse is
in the 50's, my blood pressure is on the low side of average, and I walk
about 10 miles a week and I lift weights most days. I eat one meal per
day, at dinner, and I have very little before that - coffee or tea,
water, and a few spoonfuls of nut butter, a protein bar, or both.
Tonight's dinner was pan-seared scallops, spinach sauteed in coconut and
olive oils, and grilled peppers and onions, no bread, no alcohol, no
sweets, plenty of spices like garlic and black pepper, no salt - and it
was absolutely delicious.

Now be careful or I'll tell you what I really think.

-S-

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 6/24/2014 1:18 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
>>>>> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
>>>>> kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all
>>>>> of
>>>>> the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well,
>>>>> and
>>>>> watch your body composition improve.
>>>>
>>>> I saw this morning that some people are having great success
>>>> controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
>>>>
>>> I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
>>> What is that all about?
>>
>> Hopefully just the random nature of things.
>>
> And I know of so many people being diagnosed with cancer lately, much more
> than I've ever known before. Of many age groups. Cancer seems like an
> epidemic.

I was just reading that online. GMO foods were partially to blame. Guy
claimed that we all have cancer cells in us but some bodies handle them
better than others and their cells are just sort of sloughed off and
disposed of. The unlucky ones have the cells take root.

I am not so sure about the diet aspect though. My mom's friend had some
sort of cancer and she went on a macrobiotic diet to try to heal herself.
Did not work. Another of her friends who is the wife of a dentist and a big
health food nut also has cancer. She's still with us but just barely.

Also not sure about the macrobiotic diet but that's another matter. I just
remember my mom coming home from lunch with her and giggling. She said that
her friend had made several inquiries about the food at the Chinese
restaurant that they went to, telling the waiter that she was macrobiotic.
To which he replied, "And I'm Chinese!"

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...

> This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a nutrition
> coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a day to keep up
> your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein, veggies and fruit.
> Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the morning, a mid-morning snack,
> lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner. Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw
> veggies.

I do think that works for some people but not all. For some it would be a
license to overeat because they can not stop themselves and limit to small
portions. I couldn't do it myself because of the slowed digestion. Most
days I eat two meals and a snack. If I have to eat my breakfast much
earlier than usual like I will tomorrow, I will try to eat a small snack in
between that and dinner. But that doesn't always work for me and often I am
just not at all hungry come dinner time.

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> Cheryl wrote:
>> On 6/24/2014 4:26 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>> On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>>>>>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live
>>>>>> with that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video
>>>>>> is all over the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been
>>>>>> quashed by copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book,
>>>>>> "Buff, Like Me", or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his
>>>>>> usual jokes, as I can find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nb
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves
>>>>> and berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the
>>>>> man-made kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out
>>>>> most or all of the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with
>>>>> fruit as well, and watch your body composition improve.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
>>>> that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
>>>> help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
>>>> break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
>>>> your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
>>>> it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
>>>> it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
>>>> work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
>>>> still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
>>>> time to deal with existing body fat.
>>>
>>> I agree with this 100%. It's really a question of that old saw,
>>> "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." If you feed yourself
>>> constantly, you are addressing the symptom, hunger, without
>>> strengthening yourself and it eventually weakens you - in my humble
>>> opinion. -S-
>>>
>>>
>> This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
>> nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a
>> day to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
>> veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the
>> morning, a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner.
>> Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.
>
> The correct response here is "it depends." For most people most of the
> time, eating 5 meals a day is like wearing cushy running shoes. Everyone
> thought - for years, for decades - that what we needed was to wear
> cushioned shoes that prevented our feet from pronating. They have lately
> figured out, however, that those very shoes are what makes us feel better
> for a while but eventually makes most people worse as they lose their
> natural ability to absorb shock with a proper footstrike as their foot
> lands underneath them. Put on the cushy shoe and you start overstriding
> to the front, you start landing heels first, and you just mess up what
> _was_ a perfectly good system of shock absorbtion give to you by Mother
> Nature.

Wow! I didn't know that. Angela had to do a lot of running in Jr. High so
I took her to Nordstrom to get her some really good running shoes. Guy had
her stand with her heels against the wall and said that she did something or
other in terms of pronation so needed the $160 Asics. That was the year
that she got plantar fascitis! I then had to take her back for larger shoes
to accomodate the braces she needed to wear until she healed. I still think
it was the running that caused the issue. The gym teachers at that school
were just big into running and felt it was the best form of exercise.

I found out later that much of the time she didn't even wear those shoes and
preferred to just wear whatever athletic shoes she had on that day.

When she took the aerobics class (different school), the teacher cautioned
them not to buy any special shoes and just use whatever athletic shoes they
had.
>
> Yes, if all you do is sit on your ass all day, you may find you can't
> figure out how to run without cushy shoes. That would be your (not you
> personally, Cheryl, of course) problem. Get off your ass, walk a couple
> of miles every day, and you'll be able to learn how to run without cushy
> shoes.
>
> The same applies to frequent feedings. We were born and bred not to live
> that kind of life. Our bodies do all sorts of good things when we _don't_
> eat, fasting is a religious tradition that goes back thousands of years,
> and you simply don't need to eat 5 times a day. But, of course, you can't
> switch cold turkey to eating less often any more than you can pick 300
> lbs. up off the floor, which I can, because I took my time and learned how
> to do it and then I practiced it a lot, a real lot.
>
> There are people who need to eat often, but they're generally big and
> trying to get bigger, e.g., they're professional athletes of some sort in
> a sport where being 250 lbs. is considered small. Those people should eat
> all the time.
>
> But for the rest of us, the saying that what doesn't kill you makes you
> stronger is still true, and the best thing everyone with a weight problem
> can do is learn to be a little hungry and not panic at that feeling.
> Being a little hungry for part of every day is a good thing.

However, if you have blood sugar issues then one of the worst things you can
do is to not eat. You could either have low blood sugar and pass out or in
my case, if I don't eat when I should, my blood sugar will shoot sky high.
It is quite possible that I also had a low in there and missed it because I
don't always have symptoms.
>
> There are plenty of people giving out old advice, plenty of doctors who
> will still tell you to take statins and avoid naturally occuring saturated
> fats, and a whole lot of other things that go against the way our bodies
> were designed to work. If anyone wishes to take that sort of advice, that
> would again be their problem.
>
> For the record, I'm 59 years old and I picked 350 lbs. up off the floor at
> a powerlifting competition 2 weekends ago, setting a new New Jersy state
> record for my age and weight (149 lbs.) class. My body composition is
> good, all my blood markers are good, my resting pulse is in the 50's, my
> blood pressure is on the low side of average, and I walk about 10 miles a
> week and I lift weights most days. I eat one meal per day, at dinner, and
> I have very little before that - coffee or tea, water, and a few spoonfuls
> of nut butter, a protein bar, or both. Tonight's dinner was pan-seared
> scallops, spinach sauteed in coconut and olive oils, and grilled peppers
> and onions, no bread, no alcohol, no sweets, plenty of spices like garlic
> and black pepper, no salt - and it was absolutely delicious.
>
> Now be careful or I'll tell you what I really think.

Heh.

On 6/25/2014 10:13 PM, Steve Freides wrote:

> The correct response here is "it depends." For most people most of the
> time, eating 5 meals a day is like wearing cushy running shoes.
> Everyone thought - for years, for decades - that what we needed was to
> wear cushioned shoes that prevented our feet from pronating. They have
> lately figured out, however, that those very shoes are what makes us
> feel better for a while but eventually makes most people worse as they
> lose their natural ability to absorb shock with a proper footstrike as
> their foot lands underneath them. Put on the cushy shoe and you start
> overstriding to the front, you start landing heels first, and you just
> mess up what_was_ a perfectly good system of shock absorbtion give to
> you by Mother Nature.
>
> Yes, if all you do is sit on your ass all day, you may find you can't
> figure out how to run without cushy shoes. That would be your (not you
> personally, Cheryl, of course) problem. Get off your ass, walk a couple
> of miles every day, and you'll be able to learn how to run without cushy
> shoes.
>
> The same applies to frequent feedings. We were born and bred not to
> live that kind of life. Our bodies do all sorts of good things when we
> _don't_ eat, fasting is a religious tradition that goes back thousands
> of years, and you simply don't need to eat 5 times a day. But, of
> course, you can't switch cold turkey to eating less often any more than
> you can pick 300 lbs. up off the floor, which I can, because I took my
> time and learned how to do it and then I practiced it a lot, a real lot.
>
> There are people who need to eat often, but they're generally big and
> trying to get bigger, e.g., they're professional athletes of some sort
> in a sport where being 250 lbs. is considered small. Those people
> should eat all the time.
>
> But for the rest of us, the saying that what doesn't kill you makes you
> stronger is still true, and the best thing everyone with a weight
> problem can do is learn to be a little hungry and not panic at that
> feeling. Being a little hungry for part of every day is a good thing.
>
> There are plenty of people giving out old advice, plenty of doctors who
> will still tell you to take statins and avoid naturally occuring
> saturated fats, and a whole lot of other things that go against the way
> our bodies were designed to work. If anyone wishes to take that sort of
> advice, that would again be their problem.
>
> For the record, I'm 59 years old and I picked 350 lbs. up off the floor
> at a powerlifting competition 2 weekends ago, setting a new New Jersy
> state record for my age and weight (149 lbs.) class. My body
> composition is good, all my blood markers are good, my resting pulse is
> in the 50's, my blood pressure is on the low side of average, and I walk
> about 10 miles a week and I lift weights most days. I eat one meal per
> day, at dinner, and I have very little before that - coffee or tea,
> water, and a few spoonfuls of nut butter, a protein bar, or both.
> Tonight's dinner was pan-seared scallops, spinach sauteed in coconut and
> olive oils, and grilled peppers and onions, no bread, no alcohol, no
> sweets, plenty of spices like garlic and black pepper, no salt - and it
> was absolutely delicious.
>
> Now be careful or I'll tell you what I really think.

I have a completely open mind when it comes to this. I actually find it
hard to eat that much per day, even if the snacks are small. I am very
sedentary since my back surgery, leading to weight gain. I'm just now
realizing what this has done to my lifestyle and my metabolism, and this
change has been the best thing for me to try so far. I am walking every
day on a treadmill only because walking on normal terrain still hurts
too much. I'm up to 2 10-15 minute sessions of walking on the treadmill
per day, every day, except for this week where I missed 2 days because
something happened to the wiring on the damned thing. It was repaired
today so I'm back on track.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 6/25/2014 10:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>
>> This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
>> nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a
>> day to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
>> veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the
>> morning, a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner.
>> Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.
>
> I do think that works for some people but not all. For some it would be
> a license to overeat because they can not stop themselves and limit to
> small portions. I couldn't do it myself because of the slowed
> digestion. Most days I eat two meals and a snack. If I have to eat my
> breakfast much earlier than usual like I will tomorrow, I will try to
> eat a small snack in between that and dinner. But that doesn't always
> work for me and often I am just not at all hungry come dinner time.

In using this 5 meals per day, dinner is usually my smallest meal of the
day. The exception over the last couple of weeks were the last couple of
days where i was grilling for dinner, I didn't eat 5 meals per day. I'm
journaling everything I eat and when. When I go for my weigh-ins I'll
see what works for me best.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 6/25/2014 10:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> I have a completely open mind when it comes to this. I actually find it
> hard to eat that much per day, even if the snacks are small. I am very
> sedentary since my back surgery, leading to weight gain. I'm just now
> realizing what this has done to my lifestyle and my metabolism, and this
> change has been the best thing for me to try so far. I am walking every
> day on a treadmill only because walking on normal terrain still hurts
> too much. I'm up to 2 10-15 minute sessions of walking on the treadmill
> per day, every day, except for this week where I missed 2 days because
> something happened to the wiring on the damned thing. It was repaired
> today so I'm back on track.

I also have to wonder if the instructions about eating 5 meals a day
were just for me. Being sedentary I really wasn't eating very much and
it was typical for my first meal of the day to be around 2-3pm. I
wasn't eating a very balanced diet with so few meals. The goal for me
may have been to get my metabolism up to where it should be, because the
nutritionist said after 2 years of eating the way I was, my body went
into starvation mode and learned how to store fat. I think if I
remember correctly what he was telling me was that I had to turn that
around, and it might even take a month to change my metabolism.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 6/25/2014 10:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>>
>>> This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
>>> nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a
>>> day to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
>>> veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the
>>> morning, a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner.
>>> Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.
>>
>> I do think that works for some people but not all. For some it would be
>> a license to overeat because they can not stop themselves and limit to
>> small portions. I couldn't do it myself because of the slowed
>> digestion. Most days I eat two meals and a snack. If I have to eat my
>> breakfast much earlier than usual like I will tomorrow, I will try to
>> eat a small snack in between that and dinner. But that doesn't always
>> work for me and often I am just not at all hungry come dinner time.
>
> In using this 5 meals per day, dinner is usually my smallest meal of the
> day. The exception over the last couple of weeks were the last couple of
> days where i was grilling for dinner, I didn't eat 5 meals per day. I'm
> journaling everything I eat and when. When I go for my weigh-ins I'll see
> what works for me best.
>
Good luck!

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 6/25/2014 10:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> I have a completely open mind when it comes to this. I actually find it
>> hard to eat that much per day, even if the snacks are small. I am very
>> sedentary since my back surgery, leading to weight gain. I'm just now
>> realizing what this has done to my lifestyle and my metabolism, and this
>> change has been the best thing for me to try so far. I am walking every
>> day on a treadmill only because walking on normal terrain still hurts
>> too much. I'm up to 2 10-15 minute sessions of walking on the treadmill
>> per day, every day, except for this week where I missed 2 days because
>> something happened to the wiring on the damned thing. It was repaired
>> today so I'm back on track.
>
> I also have to wonder if the instructions about eating 5 meals a day were
> just for me. Being sedentary I really wasn't eating very much and it was
> typical for my first meal of the day to be around 2-3pm. I wasn't eating
> a very balanced diet with so few meals. The goal for me may have been to
> get my metabolism up to where it should be, because the nutritionist said
> after 2 years of eating the way I was, my body went into starvation mode
> and learned how to store fat. I think if I remember correctly what he was
> telling me was that I had to turn that around, and it might even take a
> month to change my metabolism.

That's when my first meal is too but then, I am typically up until 4-6:00
a.m.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:13:19 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

> Cheryl wrote:
> > On 6/24/2014 4:26 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> >>
> > This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
> > nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a
> > day to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
> > veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the
> > morning, a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner.
> > Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.
>
> The correct response here is "it depends." For most people most of the
> time, eating 5 meals a day is like wearing cushy running shoes.
> Everyone thought - for years, for decades - that what we needed was to
> wear cushioned shoes that prevented our feet from pronating. They have
> lately figured out, however, that those very shoes are what makes us
> feel better for a while but eventually makes most people worse as they
> lose their natural ability to absorb shock with a proper footstrike as
> their foot lands underneath them. Put on the cushy shoe and you start
> overstriding to the front, you start landing heels first, and you just
> mess up what _was_ a perfectly good system of shock absorbtion give to
> you by Mother Nature.
>
> Yes, if all you do is sit on your ass all day, you may find you can't
> figure out how to run without cushy shoes. That would be your (not you
> personally, Cheryl, of course) problem. Get off your ass, walk a couple
> of miles every day, and you'll be able to learn how to run without cushy
> shoes.
>
> The same applies to frequent feedings. We were born and bred not to
> live that kind of life. Our bodies do all sorts of good things when we
> _don't_ eat, fasting is a religious tradition that goes back thousands
> of years, and you simply don't need to eat 5 times a day. But, of
> course, you can't switch cold turkey to eating less often any more than
> you can pick 300 lbs. up off the floor, which I can, because I took my
> time and learned how to do it and then I practiced it a lot, a real lot.
>
> There are people who need to eat often, but they're generally big and
> trying to get bigger, e.g., they're professional athletes of some sort
> in a sport where being 250 lbs. is considered small. Those people
> should eat all the time.
>
> But for the rest of us, the saying that what doesn't kill you makes you
> stronger is still true, and the best thing everyone with a weight
> problem can do is learn to be a little hungry and not panic at that
> feeling. Being a little hungry for part of every day is a good thing.
>
> There are plenty of people giving out old advice, plenty of doctors who
> will still tell you to take statins and avoid naturally occuring
> saturated fats, and a whole lot of other things that go against the way
> our bodies were designed to work. If anyone wishes to take that sort of
> advice, that would again be their problem.
>
<snip>
>
> Now be careful or I'll tell you what I really think.
>
> -S-
Isn't the 5 times a day rule for people who want to deal with blood
sugar issues without drugs and those on diets like weight watchers?

My husband seems to be eating constantly (so much that I actually get
mad at him from time to time for always eating), but weight isn't an
issue for him. Eating throughout the day is what he has to do to feel
right and have his blood tests say he's doing okay.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:09:36 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:
>
> In using this 5 meals per day, dinner is usually my smallest meal of the
> day. The exception over the last couple of weeks were the last couple of
> days where i was grilling for dinner, I didn't eat 5 meals per day. I'm
> journaling everything I eat and when. When I go for my weigh-ins I'll
> see what works for me best.

You don't make it 3 meals and two snacks?

I know you won't see this, but so what. RFC is devolving into the
Sheldum and Squishy show.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:09:36 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>>
>> In using this 5 meals per day, dinner is usually my smallest meal of the
>> day. The exception over the last couple of weeks were the last couple of
>> days where i was grilling for dinner, I didn't eat 5 meals per day. I'm
>> journaling everything I eat and when. When I go for my weigh-ins I'll
>> see what works for me best.
>
> You don't make it 3 meals and two snacks?
>
> I know you won't see this, but so what. RFC is devolving into the
> Sheldum and Squishy show.
>
It does seem that way.

"sf" > wrote in message
...

> Isn't the 5 times a day rule for people who want to deal with blood
> sugar issues without drugs and those on diets like weight watchers?
>
> My husband seems to be eating constantly (so much that I actually get
> mad at him from time to time for always eating), but weight isn't an
> issue for him. Eating throughout the day is what he has to do to feel
> right and have his blood tests say he's doing okay.
>
I can't speak for WW. My parents did it but it was many years ago and I now
it has gone through many changes since.

Eating that often is recommended to control blood sugar. And it needs to be
done for those who have had bariatric surgery. Depending on where they are
in their healing after the operation, they would eat varying amounts,
starting with very tiny amounts but generally mostly protein. I'm sure
there are probably other medical reasons to eat often. Just not sure what.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I am typically up until 4-6:00 a.m.

That was my daughter when she was 18-19. She would be getting ready to
go to bed just as I was getting up each morning (around 4:30am). The
changing of the guards.

Happy Birthday, Julie! I hope it's a great day for you.
Be sure to eat some favorite meal. :-D

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I am typically up until 4-6:00 a.m.
>
> That was my daughter when she was 18-19. She would be getting ready to
> go to bed just as I was getting up each morning (around 4:30am). The
> changing of the guards.
>
> Happy Birthday, Julie! I hope it's a great day for you.
> Be sure to eat some favorite meal. :-D

Thanks. Recital rehearsal so... Taco Bell drive through. Only thing I can
really eat there is the bean burrito or a side of beans, minus the cheese.
Thankfully these are among my favorite foods! Not too many places to eat
near the venue. We have to eat early before we go and will probably get
dinner fairly late so... Works for me!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I am typically up until 4-6:00 a.m.
>>
>> That was my daughter when she was 18-19. She would be getting ready to
>> go to bed just as I was getting up each morning (around 4:30am). The
>> changing of the guards.
>>
>> Happy Birthday, Julie! I hope it's a great day for you.
>> Be sure to eat some favorite meal. :-D
>
> Thanks. Recital rehearsal so... Taco Bell drive through. Only thing I
> can really eat there is the bean burrito or a side of beans, minus the
> cheese. Thankfully these are among my favorite foods! Not too many places
> to eat near the venue. We have to eat early before we go and will
> probably get dinner fairly late so... Works for me!

Happy Birthday from me too

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Julie Bove wrote:

> However, if you have blood sugar issues then one of the worst things
> you can do is to not eat. You could either have low blood sugar and
> pass out or in my case, if I don't eat when I should, my blood sugar
> will shoot sky high. It is quite possible that I also had a low in
> there and missed it because I don't always have symptoms.

I agree, but you have to remember that this is a special situation,
analagous to needing wear special shoes if you've broken your feet or
something like that. The idea, in part, is to _not_ have blood sugar
issues in the first place, if you can help it, by strengthening, through
the application of the proper amount of stress, the very systems that
regulate blood sugar.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> However, if you have blood sugar issues then one of the worst things
>> you can do is to not eat. You could either have low blood sugar and
>> pass out or in my case, if I don't eat when I should, my blood sugar
>> will shoot sky high. It is quite possible that I also had a low in
>> there and missed it because I don't always have symptoms.
>
> I agree, but you have to remember that this is a special situation,
> analagous to needing wear special shoes if you've broken your feet or
> something like that. The idea, in part, is to _not_ have blood sugar
> issues in the first place, if you can help it, by strengthening, through
> the application of the proper amount of stress, the very systems that
> regulate blood sugar.

Alas, diabetics are beyond that point.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am typically up until 4-6:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> That was my daughter when she was 18-19. She would be getting ready to
>>> go to bed just as I was getting up each morning (around 4:30am). The
>>> changing of the guards.
>>>
>>> Happy Birthday, Julie! I hope it's a great day for you.
>>> Be sure to eat some favorite meal. :-D
>>
>> Thanks. Recital rehearsal so... Taco Bell drive through. Only thing I
>> can really eat there is the bean burrito or a side of beans, minus the
>> cheese. Thankfully these are among my favorite foods! Not too many
>> places to eat near the venue. We have to eat early before we go and will
>> probably get dinner fairly late so... Works for me!
>
> Happy Birthday from me too

Thanks!

Cheryl wrote:

> I have a completely open mind when it comes to this. I actually find
> it hard to eat that much per day, even if the snacks are small. I am
> very sedentary since my back surgery, leading to weight gain. I'm
> just now realizing what this has done to my lifestyle and my
> metabolism, and this change has been the best thing for me to try so
> far. I am walking every day on a treadmill only because walking on
> normal terrain still hurts too much. I'm up to 2 10-15 minute
> sessions of walking on the treadmill per day, every day, except for
> this week where I missed 2 days because something happened to the
> wiring on the damned thing. It was repaired today so I'm back on
> track.

Best of luck with your recovery. When you're ready for it, I highly
recommend the organization with which I'm associated -
http://StrongFirst.com "Ready" means your doctor has given you
clearance to exercise without restrictions, or you have a specific list
of what you're allowed and not allowed to do.

When you return to walking outside, seek out uneven terrain for at least
some of your walks if you can - it's good for you in a lot of ways.
E.g., walk across a field instead of around it once in a while, more
often if you can.

I suffered a herniated disc 17 years ago. I was bed ridden for a few
months and walked with a limp for over a year after that My story is
he http://www.strongfirst.com/blog/my-s...irst-manifesto and
he http://www.kbnj.com/SteveBio.htm if you'd like to read it.

Again, best of luck to you - if there's anything I can do to be of
assistance, just holler.

-S-