On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:26:23 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> This just on the news. A woman dialed 911 from Minneapolis when a man was
> breaking into her apartment. She was connected to a 911 operator in NY.
> This was not even a matter of her having or not having the correct area code
> on her phone. It has to do with cell towers and such. They said it

I looked this up and it's unlikely that she was connecting to a cell tower in NY. There is a rare condition called troposhperic ducting where radio signals can travel very long distances, but it's usually one way, not 2 way as a cell connection would required.

My guess would be a mis-programmed switch at the cell company, whch they will never admit to.

"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/25/2014 12:09 PM, Gary wrote:
>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>
>>> Its not the first time its happened in America either. I know of one
>>> woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
>>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>>
>> If you call from a landline they will see your address.
>
> Don't be surprised if they ask for it anyway, as well as your name and
> phone number. "For verification purposes", according to our local dispatch
> center.

Yes. They will.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:11:37 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:41:35 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/24/2014 10:57 PM, Sky wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I thought cellphones had GPS locators when they were used to call
> >
> > > emergency numbers. That way, the 911 operators could locate their
> >
> > > specific locations via GPS (?). Seems I'm incorrect about that ?
> >
> > Old ones did not have it and at least on some, you can turn it off.
> >
> > Mine is off as I know where I am and it conserves the battery. I think
> >
> > this is one of those things they are trying to standardize
>
> The FCC has required GPS location for E911 on 95% of a wireless carrier's subscriber phones since 2005. They are supposed to be able to locate the phone within 300 meters. Several carriers were fined in 2005 for missing the deadline. Also, phones have to work for 911 even if they aren't activated or on a contract with any carrier. I'm pretty sure the new ones will turn the GPS on for 911 calls even if you have it turned off. It is certainly possible for someone with an old cell phone to not have GPS, but the carrier is required to be able to identify the caller's phone number and which tower they are using.
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-911-services
>
50 to 300 meters is okay for the country purposes, but not very
accurate if you're in a city.

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On 6/25/2014 4:11 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:41:35 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/24/2014 10:57 PM, Sky wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I thought cellphones had GPS locators when they were used to call
>>
>>> emergency numbers. That way, the 911 operators could locate their
>>
>>> specific locations via GPS (?). Seems I'm incorrect about that ?
>>
>> Old ones did not have it and at least on some, you can turn it off.
>>
>> Mine is off as I know where I am and it conserves the battery. I think
>>
>> this is one of those things they are trying to standardize
>
> The FCC has required GPS location for E911 on 95% of a wireless carrier's subscriber phones since 2005. They are supposed to be able to locate the phone within 300 meters. Several carriers were fined in 2005 for missing the deadline. Also, phones have to work for 911 even if they aren't activated or on a contract with any carrier. I'm pretty sure the new ones will turn the GPS on for 911 calls even if you have it turned off. It is certainly possible for someone with an old cell phone to not have GPS, but the carrier is required to be able to identify the caller's phone number and which tower they are using.
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-911-services
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacsburg, VA
>
I've been to Blacksburg, VA. That's the home of VA Tech. Stayed in a
lovely little campground right on the river way out of town.

Anyway, are you saying that if I had used my regular cell phone instead
of the house phone which is on a wireless system but does not have GPS
ability, I would not have had to give my address to the 911 dispatcher?

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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:26:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>This just on the news. A woman dialed 911 from Minneapolis when a man was
>>breaking into her apartment. She was connected to a 911 operator in NY.
>>This was not even a matter of her having or not having the correct area
>>code
>>on her phone. It has to do with cell towers and such. They said it
>>doesn't happen in all areas. Just some. They said that 911 operators
>>need
>>to start asking where the person is calling from, first thing.
>
> Its not the first time its happened in America either. I know of one
> woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.

She couldn't call somebody else? Like her neighbor? Her kids? Husband?
Boss? Anyone? Sounds like one dumb woman. All cell phone towers can be
used to triangulate your location or at very least determine where you are
relative to the closest tower. I highly doubt this story.

On 6/25/2014 9:08 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/25/2014 1:32 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> I was stuck at a red light for way too long (certainly not half an
>> hour). About the time I was considering running the light, someone
>> pulled up behind me and told me to pull forward because the light had
>> some sort of car alarm on it and I wasn't in the area that it could
>> read (odd multi-street configuration, too hard to explain). I moved
>> forward and ta-da, the light changed.
>
> I had to get out of my car once because this woman was causing
> an actual traffic jam. Told her PULL UP! The camera doesnt
> know you're here!
>
> nancy
>

LOL! I can just picture you getting out of your car and yelling at her,
MOVE!

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On 6/25/2014 9:39 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/25/2014 9:21 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-06-25 9:08 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I had to get out of my car once because this woman was causing
>>> an actual traffic jam. Told her PULL UP! The camera doesnt
>>> know you're here!
>
>> There is an intersection near here where the light is green only for the
>> northbound or southbound. When I called to complain about the advanced
>> green I was corrected. The problem is that motorcycles do not trip the
>> sensor. I have been stuck sitting there while the east west lights
>> cycled to allow green for the oncoming traffic but not for me. After
>> making sure the way was clear, I blew the red light.
>
> That's a problem I have read about before. It's only common
> sense, if you see the light is not going to change for some
> reason, you don't sit there trapped. After a few minutes, think
> of a way out of your predicament.
>
> nancy
>

Yeah, like get into the lane to go straight rather than turn, and then
do a ubie.

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On 25/06/2014 7:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:26:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> This just on the news. A woman dialed 911 from Minneapolis when a man was
>>> breaking into her apartment. She was connected to a 911 operator in NY.
>>> This was not even a matter of her having or not having the correct area
>>> code
>>> on her phone. It has to do with cell towers and such. They said it
>>> doesn't happen in all areas. Just some. They said that 911 operators
>>> need
>>> to start asking where the person is calling from, first thing.
>>
>> Its not the first time its happened in America either. I know of one
>> woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>
> She couldn't call somebody else? Like her neighbor? Her kids? Husband?
> Boss? Anyone? Sounds like one dumb woman. All cell phone towers can be
> used to triangulate your location or at very least determine where you are
> relative to the closest tower. I highly doubt this story.
>
>
Except they usually don't bother. A family moved to Calgary from eastern
Canada and when they called 911, but panicked and didn't give their
address, guess where the ambulance went.
Graham

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:02:49 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 25/06/2014 7:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:26:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> This just on the news. A woman dialed 911 from Minneapolis when a man was
>>>> breaking into her apartment. She was connected to a 911 operator in NY.
>>>> This was not even a matter of her having or not having the correct area
>>>> code
>>>> on her phone. It has to do with cell towers and such. They said it
>>>> doesn't happen in all areas. Just some. They said that 911 operators
>>>> need
>>>> to start asking where the person is calling from, first thing.
>>>
>>> Its not the first time its happened in America either. I know of one
>>> woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
>>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>Here you go:
>http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/200...ise-plantation
>http://9-1-1.com/wordpress/2012/02/1...spatch-center/
>> She couldn't call somebody else? Like her neighbor? Her kids? Husband?
>> Boss? Anyone? Sounds like one dumb woman. All cell phone towers can be
>> used to triangulate your location or at very least determine where you are
>> relative to the closest tower. I highly doubt this story.
>>
>>
>Except they usually don't bother. A family moved to Calgary from eastern
>Canada and when they called 911, but panicked and didn't give their
>address, guess where the ambulance went.

I don't think he bothered to read the article(s) much - those links
are about two separate incidents, and not related to the original
situation I mentioned. The original situation is outlined in a book,
'Missing 411', from memory.

On 6/25/2014 3:28 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 6/25/2014 12:09 PM, Gary wrote:
>> "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>
>>> Its not the first time its happened in America either. I know of one
>>> woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
>>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>>
>> If you call from a landline they will see your address. If you call
>> from a cell phone, it's important to immediately tell them where your
>> are....even before telling them the problem.
>>
>> G.
>>
> Exactly what I have to do since my home phone is cellular
>
I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
don't trust technology.

Jill

On 2014-06-26 7:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
> phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
> don't trust technology.
>


Technology. I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
computer. I think that is amazing.

;-)

On 6/24/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> I know of one woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.

Did you provide a link to that particular story?

I realize people do get lost and sometimes die when hiking in national
parks. Most (US) national parks aren't small places. It's usually
people stupid enough to go hiking (or camping/climbing) alone. They
also often don't bother to check in/register with the park rangers
first. Why should they? DUH... someone will have an idea of where
they're going on that hike. You can't blame that on 911 operators or
[lack of] cell phone triangulation.

Jill

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:05:55 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>>
>I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
>phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
>don't trust technology.

Nothing funny about it, you just know better.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:25:25 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/24/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> I know of one woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>
>Did you provide a link to that particular story?

No, it took me a while to remember where I came across it. It is in a
book called 'Missing 411', by a David Paulides. Her name was Megumi
Yamamoto. I just a search, and I got some of the details wrong. They
did eventually finder her alive, unfortunately the rescue helicopter
crashed and she was killed.

>I realize people do get lost and sometimes die when hiking in national
>parks. Most (US) national parks aren't small places. It's usually
>people stupid enough to go hiking (or camping/climbing) alone. They
>also often don't bother to check in/register with the park rangers
>first. Why should they? DUH... someone will have an idea of where
>they're going on that hike. You can't blame that on 911 operators or
>[lack of] cell phone triangulation.

I'm not blaming anything or anyone, just simply relating the story
regarding her problematic attempts to get help from 911. I'm not
interested in what she should have or shouldn't have done, what she
had for breakfast, or anything else other than what I related.

Anyway, here is a link to an article:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...911-17-ON.html

jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/24/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> I know of one woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept
>> being put
>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>
> Did you provide a link to that particular story?
>
> I realize people do get lost and sometimes die when hiking in national
> parks. Most (US) national parks aren't small places. It's usually
> people stupid enough to go hiking (or camping/climbing) alone. They
> also often don't bother to check in/register with the park rangers
> first. Why should they? DUH... someone will have an idea of where
> they're going on that hike. You can't blame that on 911 operators or
> [lack of] cell phone triangulation.
>
> Jill

Cell phones have built in GPS now that are quite accurate. It's an FCC
regulation.

On 2014-06-26 19:25, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/24/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> I know of one woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept
>> being put
>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>
> Did you provide a link to that particular story?
>
> I realize people do get lost and sometimes die when hiking in national
> parks. Most (US) national parks aren't small places. It's usually
> people stupid enough to go hiking (or camping/climbing) alone. They
> also often don't bother to check in/register with the park rangers
> first. Why should they? DUH... someone will have an idea of where
> they're going on that hike. You can't blame that on 911 operators or
> [lack of] cell phone triangulation.
>

We have similar issues up here, and some of our parks are huge. People
go snowmobiling or heliskiing in remote areas where there is high risk
of avalanche, then other people are expected to risk their lives to
search for corpses and survivors. A Canadian man went hiking alone in a
remote area of Australia and his family complained that the government
was not doing enough find him... the Canadian government. Maybe if he
wanted the Canadian government to look for him he should have vacationed
in Canada.

Meanwhile, my neighbour's brother went missing from a campsite out in BC
a year ago. That was not even a remote site.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:33:01 PM UTC-4, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Anyway, are you saying that if I had used my regular cell phone instead
> of the house phone which is on a wireless system but does not have GPS
> ability, I would not have had to give my address to the 911 dispatcher?

I don't know what technology your home phone system is using. If it uses cell technology, and yes some systems use cell technology while others use cable or dsl, it would still need to comply with the FCC regulations. That doesn't mean the call center would not ask for your address, actually that's just good practice. Cable and dsl present problems for location as well.

All I was saying is the FCC does have regulations alreay in place for several years requiring calls to 911 from cell phones to provide location info. That is the whole reason all new cell phones have GPS built in. That doesn't mean the system is perfect or that old phones or mis-programmed switches won't cause trajic results occasionally, but the flip side of that coin is people lost in remote areas get found alive who would not have been in the world of land-line only. People can call 911 from the side of the road where no phone booth ever existed.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, VA

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 18:27:37 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:26:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>This just on the news. A woman dialed 911 from Minneapolis when a man was
>>>breaking into her apartment. She was connected to a 911 operator in NY.
>>>This was not even a matter of her having or not having the correct area
>>>code
>>>on her phone. It has to do with cell towers and such. They said it
>>>doesn't happen in all areas. Just some. They said that 911 operators
>>>need
>>>to start asking where the person is calling from, first thing.
>>
>> Its not the first time its happened in America either. I know of one
>> woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>
>She couldn't call somebody else? Like her neighbor? Her kids? Husband?
>Boss? Anyone?

How would any of those people be able to help?

>Sounds like one dumb woman. All cell phone towers can be
>used to triangulate your location or at very least determine where you are
>relative to the closest tower. I highly doubt this story.

Doubt away. You know you want to anyway, since you made several wild
assumptions for no apparent reason.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...911-17-ON.html

On 2014-06-25 00:26:23 +0000, Julie Bove said:

> This just on the news. A woman dialed 911 from Minneapolis when a man
> was breaking into her apartment. She was connected to a 911 operator
> in NY. This was not even a matter of her having or not having the
> correct area code on her phone. It has to do with cell towers and
> such. They said it doesn't happen in all areas. Just some. They said
> that 911 operators need to start asking where the person is calling
> from, first thing.

I'd probably call the non-emergency number to summon the coroner after
I caught somebody trying to break in to my home, so they could come and
scrape the perp off the wall for me.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:17:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
> the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
> computer. I think that is amazing.

What on earth are you doing to pick up so many viruses???

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:17:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
>> the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
>> computer. I think that is amazing.
>
> What on earth are you doing to pick up so many viruses???
>
I'm pretty sure there are one. I get those too. Idiot claims to be from
Microsoft and tells me that only he can take care of them. Last time, the
call was from a woman.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 23:47:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:17:28 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
>>> the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
>>> computer. I think that is amazing.
>>
>> What on earth are you doing to pick up so many viruses???
>>
>I'm pretty sure there are one. I get those too. Idiot claims to be from
>Microsoft and tells me that only he can take care of them. Last time, the
>call was from a woman.

Why are they idiots? I've lost count of the computers I've had to fix
because of them. Their scam clearly works, so they're not exactly
idiots.

That's not to say I haven't played the scammers along at their
expense... because I have, and it was priceless in one instance at
least

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:05:55 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
>>phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
>>don't trust technology.
>
> Nothing funny about it, you just know better.

Read this one.

Woman had been tramped by a herd of cows and ended up with a broken jaw, arm
etc. Her own fault though. I would never walk through a herd of cows with a
dog, especially when they had calves. The 999 operator thought it was a
hoax.

There have been reports in the past about cows attacking people with dogs in
their fields. It is hardly unknown.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ampaign=149 0



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"Ophelia" > wrote:
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:05:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
>>> phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
>>> don't trust technology.
>>
>> Nothing funny about it, you just know better.
>
> Read this one.
>
> Woman had been tramped by a herd of cows and ended up with a broken jaw, arm
> etc. Her own fault though. I would never walk through a herd of cows with a
> dog, especially when they had calves. The 999 operator thought it was a
> hoax.
>
> There have been reports in the past about cows attacking people with dogs
> in their fields. It is hardly unknown.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ampaign=149 0
>
>

People seem to think that farm animals are just lil fuzzems. A cow weighs
a half ton, and can easily kill you if it cares to. Plenty of people have
been injured or killed by cattle even without bringing dogs or calves into
the picture.

And don't get me started on the ancient enemy of mankind, the horse.

Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
> People seem to think that farm animals are just lil fuzzems. A cow weighs
> a half ton, and can easily kill you if it cares to. Plenty of people have
> been injured or killed by cattle even without bringing dogs or calves into
> the picture.
>
> And don't get me started on the ancient enemy of mankind, the horse.

I wouldn't walk in a pasture with any "friendly" domesticated
animals. They might not hurt you but they sure could if they wanted
to. I'll stay on the other side of the fence.

G

On 6/27/2014 1:37 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:17:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
>> the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
>> computer. I think that is amazing.
>
> What on earth are you doing to pick up so many viruses???
>
You snipped the wink. It's a scam, sf. I've never gotten such a call
but I've heard of others getting them. They claim to be from Microsoft
and want you to allow them remote access to your computer to "fix" it.
Apparently some dimwits fall for it.

Jill

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:12:43 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 6/27/2014 1:37 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:17:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
> >> the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
> >> computer. I think that is amazing.
> >
> > What on earth are you doing to pick up so many viruses???
> >
> You snipped the wink. It's a scam, sf. I've never gotten such a call
> but I've heard of others getting them. They claim to be from Microsoft
> and want you to allow them remote access to your computer to "fix" it.
> Apparently some dimwits fall for it.
>
Geeze. I missed the winkie, sorry. That is another scam I've only
heard about here.


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On 2014-06-27 11:07 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:12:43 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/27/2014 1:37 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:17:28 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
>>>> the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
>>>> computer. I think that is amazing.
>>>
>>> What on earth are you doing to pick up so many viruses???
>>>
>> You snipped the wink. It's a scam, sf. I've never gotten such a call
>> but I've heard of others getting them. They claim to be from Microsoft
>> and want you to allow them remote access to your computer to "fix" it.
>> Apparently some dimwits fall for it.
>>
> Geeze. I missed the winkie, sorry. That is another scam I've only
> heard about here.
>
>


Did really, really need the wink to know I was joking?

On 6/27/2014 11:07 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:12:43 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/27/2014 1:37 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:17:28 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I frequently get calls from a call centre half way around
>>>> the world to advise me that they are getting alerts about viruses in my
>>>> computer. I think that is amazing.
>>>
>>> What on earth are you doing to pick up so many viruses???
>>>
>> You snipped the wink. It's a scam, sf. I've never gotten such a call
>> but I've heard of others getting them. They claim to be from Microsoft
>> and want you to allow them remote access to your computer to "fix" it.
>> Apparently some dimwits fall for it.
>>
> Geeze. I missed the winkie, sorry. That is another scam I've only
> heard about here.
>
>
He put the winky on another line, it was easy enough to miss. I almost
wrote, "You snipped his winky" but thought the better of it. LOL

Phone scams are pretty common. The director of security where I live
often sends emails warning people NOT to give out any personal
information over the phone.

This just yesterday: "Recently a Dataw resident received a call with
another Dataw resident's number showing up on the caller id. The caller
was actually a crook who had hacked the number of another Dataw resident
in an attempt to add credibility to his solicitation. This technique is
becoming more common, with even police departments' numbers being
hacked. Be wary. Hang up on all callers soliciting money or personal
information."

This is one reason I don't answer the phone. (If it's someone I
actually know, they'll leave a message.) The fact that the scammers
hijack phone numbers makes it increasingly difficult for the Do Not Call
registry to work.

Jill

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:14:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>
> Did really, really need the wink to know I was joking?

Sarcasm and dry humor don't translate well in rfc. That's why I
asked.

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On 6/27/2014 5:42 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:05:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
>>> phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
>>> don't trust technology.
>>
>> Nothing funny about it, you just know better.
>
> Read this one.
>
> Woman had been tramped by a herd of cows and ended up with a broken jaw,
> arm
> etc. Her own fault though. I would never walk through a herd of cows
> with a
> dog, especially when they had calves. The 999 operator thought it was a
> hoax.
>
> There have been reports in the past about cows attacking people with
> dogs in their fields. It is hardly unknown.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ampaign=149 0
>
How horrific! That poor woman.

She certainly gave the 999 (911 in the US) operator a break:

"... a generous Sarah said she did not bear the operator any ill will
despite her somewhat unsympathetic tone. 'I presume I couldn't talk
properly because of my broken jaw,' she said."

I can't imagine trying to talk if I had a broken jaw and all those other
injuries. Still, I don't think it is the job of 999/911 operators to
judge whether or not someone is lying. They did finally find her and
she was grievously injured.

Jill

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:34:58 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> The fact that the scammers
> hijack phone numbers makes it increasingly difficult for the Do Not Call
> registry to work.

That's another one I haven't heard of before.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/27/2014 6:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>> People seem to think that farm animals are just lil fuzzems. A cow weighs
>> a half ton, and can easily kill you if it cares to. Plenty of people have
>> been injured or killed by cattle even without bringing dogs or calves into
>> the picture.
>>
>> And don't get me started on the ancient enemy of mankind, the horse.
>
> I wouldn't walk in a pasture with any "friendly" domesticated
> animals. They might not hurt you but they sure could if they wanted
> to. I'll stay on the other side of the fence.
>
> G
>
Ever heard the word "stampede"?

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> They claim to be from Microsoft
> and want you to allow them remote access to your computer to "fix" it.
> Apparently some dimwits fall for it.

I very often get emails *supposedly* from my ISP claiming that they
have detected unauthorized use of my email account. Click on link to
verify.....and the link is some weird address.

LOL@

On 27/06/2014 9:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/27/2014 6:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>
>>> People seem to think that farm animals are just lil fuzzems. A cow
>>> weighs
>>> a half ton, and can easily kill you if it cares to. Plenty of people
>>> have
>>> been injured or killed by cattle even without bringing dogs or calves
>>> into
>>> the picture.
>>>
>>> And don't get me started on the ancient enemy of mankind, the horse.
>>
>> I wouldn't walk in a pasture with any "friendly" domesticated
>> animals. They might not hurt you but they sure could if they wanted
>> to. I'll stay on the other side of the fence.
>>
>> G
>>
> Ever heard the word "stampede"?
>
Yes! It starts next Friday:-)
http://www.calgarystampede.com/
Graham

On 6/27/2014 11:56 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:34:58 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> The fact that the scammers
>> hijack phone numbers makes it increasingly difficult for the Do Not Call
>> registry to work.
>
> That's another one I haven't heard of before.
>
Hackers try all sorts of things. Hacking into telephone databases to
get "local" phone numbers isn't uncommon. I used to get a couple of
phone calls every week from some person allegedly in my area code and
even the same exchange. The name always displayed Phyllis [something].
The same thing happened to other residents. I don't know anyone named
Phyllis so I didn't answer the phone. You can bet your sweet bippy it
was a scam attempt.

The latest thing is the scam/sales calls is the number displays as
000-000-0000. So much for technology. Hackers can always beat their
way around it.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/27/2014 5:42 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:05:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
>>>> phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
>>>> don't trust technology.
>>>
>>> Nothing funny about it, you just know better.
>>
>> Read this one.
>>
>> Woman had been tramped by a herd of cows and ended up with a broken jaw,
>> arm
>> etc. Her own fault though. I would never walk through a herd of cows
>> with a
>> dog, especially when they had calves. The 999 operator thought it was a
>> hoax.
>>
>> There have been reports in the past about cows attacking people with
>> dogs in their fields. It is hardly unknown.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ampaign=149 0
>>
> How horrific! That poor woman.
>
> She certainly gave the 999 (911 in the US) operator a break:
>
> "... a generous Sarah said she did not bear the operator any ill will
> despite her somewhat unsympathetic tone. 'I presume I couldn't talk
> properly because of my broken jaw,' she said."
>
> I can't imagine trying to talk if I had a broken jaw and all those other
> injuries. Still, I don't think it is the job of 999/911 operators to
> judge whether or not someone is lying. They did finally find her and she
> was grievously injured.

One would hope that the operator must at the very least go through
retraining!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2014-06-27 12:27 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> Hackers try all sorts of things. Hacking into telephone databases to
> get "local" phone numbers isn't uncommon. I used to get a couple of
> phone calls every week from some person allegedly in my area code and
> even the same exchange. The name always displayed Phyllis [something].
> The same thing happened to other residents. I don't know anyone named
> Phyllis so I didn't answer the phone. You can bet your sweet bippy it
> was a scam attempt.
>
> The latest thing is the scam/sales calls is the number displays as
> 000-000-0000. So much for technology. Hackers can always beat their
> way around it.
>


The way I look at it is that there are Do Not Call registries. I am on
one. It is illegal for someone to call me to solicit, unless they are a
charity, a polling company, a political party or one of the other
exemptions. Most of the callers are using off shore call centres
because our laws can't touch them. They are going to great lengths to
get around the laws that most of us support in an effort to put an end
to endless calls to flog their products or to scam us, so I have no
problem having a little fun with them.

Anyone who calls trying to sell me something can expect to be kept on
the line and have their time wasted. If I am too busy for that, they
just get the rudeness. If they are scammers, I will try extra yard to
keep them on the line.

As for charities.... they have demonstrated that they are more about
being in the business of raising money than providing important
services. I am fed up with the calling me and sending me beg letters.
In many cases they have my name and address because we gave them a
decent donation in the past. They used the contact information to hound
us for me. Worse, they sold our information to other organizations. As a
result, I no longer give them cheques, or credit card numbers, or
anything with my name and address.

On 6/27/2014 12:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-27 12:27 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Hackers try all sorts of things. Hacking into telephone databases to
>> get "local" phone numbers isn't uncommon. I used to get a couple of
>> phone calls every week from some person allegedly in my area code and
>> even the same exchange. The name always displayed Phyllis [something].
>> The same thing happened to other residents. I don't know anyone named
>> Phyllis so I didn't answer the phone. You can bet your sweet bippy it
>> was a scam attempt.
>>
>> The latest thing is the scam/sales calls is the number displays as
>> 000-000-0000. So much for technology. Hackers can always beat their
>> way around it.
>>
>
>
> The way I look at it is that there are Do Not Call registries.

They hack/morph numbers so reporting them to the DNC doesn't exactly help.

> one. It is illegal for someone to call me to solicit, unless they are a
> charity, a polling company, a political party or one of the other
> exemptions.

They're not allowed to contact me unless I've done business with them.
Trust me, I haven't. I used to get calls for my parents, usually from a
political party. I just tell them the former owners of this phone number
are dead. They apologise and take the number off their call list. Just
because someone *formerly* had the same phone number doesn't mean they
are exempt.

> Most of the callers are using off shore call centres
> because our laws can't touch them. They are going to great lengths to
> get around the laws that most of us support in an effort to put an end
> to endless calls to flog their products or to scam us, so I have no
> problem having a little fun with them.
>
I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling you.

> Anyone who calls trying to sell me something can expect to be kept on
> the line and have their time wasted. If I am too busy for that, they
> just get the rudeness. If they are scammers, I will try extra yard to
> keep them on the line.
>
That's just silly, IMHO. I thought you were busier than to waste time
doing that.

Jill

On 6/27/2014 12:17 PM, graham wrote:
> On 27/06/2014 9:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/27/2014 6:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>>
>>>> People seem to think that farm animals are just lil fuzzems. A cow
>>>> weighs
>>>> a half ton, and can easily kill you if it cares to. Plenty of people
>>>> have
>>>> been injured or killed by cattle even without bringing dogs or calves
>>>> into
>>>> the picture.
>>>>
>>>> And don't get me started on the ancient enemy of mankind, the horse.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't walk in a pasture with any "friendly" domesticated
>>> animals. They might not hurt you but they sure could if they wanted
>>> to. I'll stay on the other side of the fence.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>> Ever heard the word "stampede"?
>>
> Yes! It starts next Friday:-)
> http://www.calgarystampede.com/
> Graham
>
I'll pass, Graham, thanks.

Jill