On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down. First
> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.

You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
sounds of hissing and screaming cats.

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:12:52 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/27/2014 5:26 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:49:04 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:25:25 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/24/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> I know of one woman lost in a national park, she dialled 911 and kept being put
>>>>> through to the wrong office. They eventually found her dead.
>>>>
>>>> Did you provide a link to that particular story?
>>>
>>> No, it took me a while to remember where I came across it. It is in a
>>> book called 'Missing 411', by a David Paulides. Her name was Megumi
>>> Yamamoto. I just a search, and I got some of the details wrong. They
>>> did eventually finder her alive, unfortunately the rescue helicopter
>>> crashed and she was killed.
>>>
>>>> I realize people do get lost and sometimes die when hiking in national
>>>> parks. Most (US) national parks aren't small places. It's usually
>>>> people stupid enough to go hiking (or camping/climbing) alone. They
>>>> also often don't bother to check in/register with the park rangers
>>>> first. Why should they? DUH... someone will have an idea of where
>>>> they're going on that hike. You can't blame that on 911 operators or
>>>> [lack of] cell phone triangulation.
>>>
>>> I'm not blaming anything or anyone, just simply relating the story
>>> regarding her problematic attempts to get help from 911. I'm not
>>> interested in what she should have or shouldn't have done, what she
>>> had for breakfast, or anything else other than what I related.
>>>
>>> Anyway, here is a link to an article:
>>> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...911-17-ON.html
>>
>> People are sceptical and want proof, so I provide it.
>> Then they go silent - even though they've subsequently posted in the
>> same thread and can't have missed it.
>> There you go.
>>
>Yes, her calls were misrouted, in 2009 in the wilderness. It's tragic.
> BUT, you previously stated she was found dead. She was found alive,
>then the rescue helicopter crashed. That's what killed her.

I know. If you look above, I said I got that one detail wrong. It's
right there, why can you not see it? By choice? Why you leapt onto
that error with such glee, I don't know...

Fact is, three of you took issue with my assertion about the 911
system routing her calls incorrectly. You asked for an URL to support
my claims - I gave it to you. But I'm STILL wrong, right?
Not impressed with you guys.

>Where was this boyfriend she was hiking or camping with? How did they
>become separated? There is barely a mention of him.

How is that even remotely relevant?

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:21:03 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/27/2014 5:25 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:42:18 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:05:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
>>>>> phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
>>>>> don't trust technology.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing funny about it, you just know better.
>>>
>>> Read this one.
>>>
>>> Woman had been tramped by a herd of cows and ended up with a broken jaw, arm
>>> etc. Her own fault though. I would never walk through a herd of cows with a
>>> dog, especially when they had calves. The 999 operator thought it was a
>>> hoax.
>>>
>>> There have been reports in the past about cows attacking people with dogs in
>>> their fields. It is hardly unknown.
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ampaign=149 0
>>
>> Poor woman, she certainly took it well, given the operator's reaction.
>> I'm sure I've posted this one before, but anyway:
>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...-hostage-video
>>
>That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
>Jackson Galaxy.

I downloaded and tried to watch an episode of that - I lasted about 30
seconds before I hit delete. The concept is a good one, but I couldn't
take the host(s) and general style of the show

>He figured out how to get the cat to calm down. First
>and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
>the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.

Yeah, hitting or kicking cats is counterproductive and doesnt work.

>> My Ram got me a good one a few weeks ago... the *******. I won't
>> crouch down facing away from him again
>>
>Can't help you with rams or ewes, sorry.

He's alright... I have soft spot for the old bugger. I just have to
keep an eye on him

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:24:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/27/2014 5:09 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> I agree with Dave, I'm completely over charities. It's the same here
>> in Aus. In recent years there has been an explosion of charities and
>> the number of phone calls is ridiculous. It's clearly more about the
>> middle-men running the telemarketing etc. on behalf of these charities
>> who are benefiting the most.
>
>They often take 90% of the donations for themselves.

That's pretty much what I figured, all these countless charities
didn't spring up suddenly for no reason.

>I give to one
>charity that has a good reputation and ignore the rest. I never talk to
>phone solicitors either as they could be scammers.

That's right. A close friend's elderly father was recently scammed
over the phone. Cleaned his bank account out and the bank claims they
cannot trace it. He's a very smart guy in most ways, still has all his
faculties, but not with computers, telemarketers, scammers, etc.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> They claim to be from Microsoft
>> and want you to allow them remote access to your computer to "fix" it.
>> Apparently some dimwits fall for it.
>
> I very often get emails *supposedly* from my ISP claiming that they
> have detected unauthorized use of my email account. Click on link to
> verify.....and the link is some weird address.
>
> LOL@

I get those but from *other* ISPs.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/27/2014 1:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/27/2014 12:27 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The latest thing is the scam/sales calls is the number displays as
>>> 000-000-0000. So much for technology. Hackers can always beat their
>>> way around it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Got a call last week showing my own number as the caller.
>
> I have had spam emails like that.

Me too.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 23:33:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:


>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. ..
>>
>>>> My Ram got me a good one a few weeks ago... the *******. I won't
>>>> crouch down facing away from him again
>>>
>>>OUCH! I just bet you don't ;-)
>>
>> It all comes down to what he perceives as a threat, I guess.
>> He's nice as pie normally
>
>He sees your butt as a threat???? <g> (and not the shoulder type either) ;-)

Har har...

On 6/27/2014 9:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
>> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down. First
>> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
>> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>
> You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
> sounds of hissing and screaming cats.
>
It's funny, she doesn't pay any attention to the sound of cats on
television or cat videos. But let her actually *see* another cat... yowsa!

Jill

On 6/27/2014 10:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:12:52 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Where was this boyfriend she was hiking or camping with? How did they
>> become separated? There is barely a mention of him.
>
> How is that even remotely relevant?
>
No relevence to cell phone stuff. I'm just curious. Was he out looking
for her? Or did he just high tail it out of there and live happily ever
after?

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/27/2014 5:25 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:42:18 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:05:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd give it them my location anyway (even though I don't own a cell
>>>>> phone anymore). It's funny, I worked in IT for years but basically
>>>>> don't trust technology.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing funny about it, you just know better.
>>>
>>> Read this one.
>>>
>>> Woman had been tramped by a herd of cows and ended up with a broken jaw,
>>> arm
>>> etc. Her own fault though. I would never walk through a herd of cows
>>> with a
>>> dog, especially when they had calves. The 999 operator thought it was a
>>> hoax.
>>>
>>> There have been reports in the past about cows attacking people with
>>> dogs in
>>> their fields. It is hardly unknown.
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ampaign=149 0
>>
>> Poor woman, she certainly took it well, given the operator's reaction.
>> I'm sure I've posted this one before, but anyway:
>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...-hostage-video
>>
> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down. First
> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from the
> crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the butt as
> punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>
>> My Ram got me a good one a few weeks ago... the *******. I won't
>> crouch down facing away from him again
>>
> Can't help you with rams or ewes, sorry.

He knows how to deal with his ram now ;-)
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/27/2014 4:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-06-27 1:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2014 12:27 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The latest thing is the scam/sales calls is the number displays as
>>>> 000-000-0000. So much for technology. Hackers can always beat their
>>>> way around it.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Got a call last week showing my own number as the caller.
>>
>>
>> I get emails almost weekly addressed to "Dear Taxpayer" telling me that
>> I am eligible for a refund, sometimes $551.25 and other times only $312.
>> The best part is that at the end of the email it says "For security
>> reasons, remove the form from your computer after printing."
>>
> A few years ago I was getting emails like that, allegedly from the
> Internal Revenue Service. Trust me, if I was eligible for a tax refund
> I'd already know it because I file my own taxes. The IRS doesn't email
> people to tell them they are due a refund. They just send you the refund,
> check or direct deposit.
>
> Every once in a while I get contacted via email about possible employment.
> All I have to do is use my bank account to clear checks from overseas. R
> i i i i g h t.

DH was selling something in GumTree (an online place to sell stuff) and he
got a lovely text asking to see item. DH emailed with all the details and
the email he got back was a scream. The poster said his bank wanted *all*
his banking details, and a copy of the front and back of his passport!!!!
Ok it was a lot of money but why in the world does the bank need copies of
his passport ??? pfpfpfpfppfpfpfpf DH's response was not polite)
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/27/2014 9:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
>>> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down. First
>>> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
>>> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>>> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>>
>> You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
>> sounds of hissing and screaming cats.
>>
> It's funny, she doesn't pay any attention to the sound of cats on
> television or cat videos. But let her actually *see* another cat...
> yowsa!

Jazzy does! I have to be careful not to have a show on with kittens,
particularly if they are in distress. She gets a worried look on her face
and looks for them. She did not like having her kittens taken from her.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/27/2014 9:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
>>> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down. First
>>> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
>>> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>>> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>>
>> You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
>> sounds of hissing and screaming cats.
>>
> It's funny, she doesn't pay any attention to the sound of cats on
> television or cat videos. But let her actually *see* another cat...
> yowsa!

My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that order!
She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL succeed or she
and I are going to fall out big time



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On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:03:31 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
> reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling you.

Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either. Life has
been good since they invented caller ID. My address book is my gmail
contacts list now. If a caller isn't listed there, I don't know who
they are and I don't answer.

--
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that order!
> She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL succeed or
> she and I are going to fall out big time

Yeah, rescue dogs sometimes come with a lot of baggage, we've had two and
the current one (rat terrier) was a barker and a furniture jumper/chewer,
but with patience and the rewarding of good behavior going on 5 years later
now, she is a joy, no bad behaviors at all. I know you'll succeed too. :-)

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:03:31 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
>> reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling you.
>
> Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either. Life has
> been good since they invented caller ID. My address book is my gmail
> contacts list now. If a caller isn't listed there, I don't know who
> they are and I don't answer.

That is a foolish approach. You have probably lost out on several high
dollar business offerings from Nigeria by now.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:31:00 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:03:31 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
> >> reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling you.
> >
> > Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either. Life has
> > been good since they invented caller ID. My address book is my gmail
> > contacts list now. If a caller isn't listed there, I don't know who
> > they are and I don't answer.
>
> That is a foolish approach. You have probably lost out on several high
> dollar business offerings from Nigeria by now.
>
I let my brother in law deal with them and rake in the dough.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that order!
>> She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL succeed or
>> she and I are going to fall out big time
>
> Yeah, rescue dogs sometimes come with a lot of baggage, we've had two and
> the current one (rat terrier) was a barker and a furniture jumper/chewer,
> but with patience and the rewarding of good behavior going on 5 years
> later now, she is a joy, no bad behaviors at all. I know you'll succeed
> too. :-)

Thanks, Cheri She really is worth working with)

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:31:00 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:03:31 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
>> >> reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling
>> >> you.
>> >
>> > Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either. Life has
>> > been good since they invented caller ID. My address book is my gmail
>> > contacts list now. If a caller isn't listed there, I don't know who
>> > they are and I don't answer.
>>
>> That is a foolish approach. You have probably lost out on several high
>> dollar business offerings from Nigeria by now.
>>
> I let my brother in law deal with them and rake in the dough.

Wise lady<g>
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On 2014-06-28 11:48 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:03:31 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
>> reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling you.
>
> Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either.


Why not? You will indulge all sorts of idiocy online. I don't know
anyone who enjoys being constantly interrupted by phone calls at home,
often during the dinner hour. It became a big enough problem that
governments introduced Do Not Call registries, and heavy penalties to
enforce them. The pests got around the registries by moving the call
centres off shore where they figure our federal laws do not apply. The
hack numbers to disguise their real numbers and company names.

I didn't ask them to call me. On the contrary. I put myself on the
registry specifically to stop them from calling. If I can keep them on
the line that means that much less time for them to be calling other
people and annoying them.


Life has
> been good since they invented caller ID. My address book is my gmail
> contacts list now. If a caller isn't listed there, I don't know who
> they are and I don't answer.
>


Oh why not.

On 2014-06-28 11:54 AM, Cheri wrote:

>> My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that
>> order! She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL
>> succeed or she and I are going to fall out big time
>
> Yeah, rescue dogs sometimes come with a lot of baggage, we've had two
> and the current one (rat terrier) was a barker and a furniture
> jumper/chewer, but with patience and the rewarding of good behavior
> going on 5 years later now, she is a joy, no bad behaviors at all. I
> know you'll succeed too. :-)
>
One of my previous dogs was from the Humane Society. He was a year and a
half old half Bouvier half Shepherd. He was totally untrained, but he
within a few weeks I had him leashed trained and was able to let him run
loose to get some much needed exercise. The more energy he burned off on
his runs the better behaved he was. He turned out to be a pretty good dog.

We sort of rescued a Belgium Shepherd (Groenendahl) whose previous owner
had to find a home for due to the wife having been hospitalized with
depression and father worked out of the house and had a three year old
and a newborn baby to care for. He was a fantastic dog.

That Belgium was so good that we offered to take another Belgium, this
time a Malinois. We got the dog from hell. I had to get a gate to take
him in the car so I don't have to clean all the windows very time he
goes for a ride. He barks at every dog,cat and person he sees along the
way. He is so aggressive that I cannot take him for walks if there will
be other dogs. I cannot let him loose near the house because he will
not come when he is called.... even after close to 6 years of attempts
to train him to do things I never had trouble teaching other dogs.
He has pulled my wife off her feet several times, causing her to scrap
her knees several times, spraining her foot and breaking a finger. He
has broken choke chains and training collars.

When he is home alone with us he is sweet as can be.

On 28/06/2014 1:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-28 11:54 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>>> My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that
>>> order! She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL
>>> succeed or she and I are going to fall out big time
>>
>> Yeah, rescue dogs sometimes come with a lot of baggage, we've had two
>> and the current one (rat terrier) was a barker and a furniture
>> jumper/chewer, but with patience and the rewarding of good behavior
>> going on 5 years later now, she is a joy, no bad behaviors at all. I
>> know you'll succeed too. :-)
>>
> One of my previous dogs was from the Humane Society. He was a year and a
> half old half Bouvier half Shepherd. He was totally untrained, but he
> within a few weeks I had him leashed trained and was able to let him run
> loose to get some much needed exercise. The more energy he burned off on
> his runs the better behaved he was. He turned out to be a pretty good dog.
>
> We sort of rescued a Belgium Shepherd (Groenendahl) whose previous owner
> had to find a home for due to the wife having been hospitalized with
> depression and father worked out of the house and had a three year old
> and a newborn baby to care for. He was a fantastic dog.
>
> That Belgium was so good that we offered to take another Belgium, this
> time a Malinois. We got the dog from hell. I had to get a gate to take
> him in the car so I don't have to clean all the windows very time he
> goes for a ride. He barks at every dog,cat and person he sees along the
> way. He is so aggressive that I cannot take him for walks if there will
> be other dogs. I cannot let him loose near the house because he will
> not come when he is called.... even after close to 6 years of attempts
> to train him to do things I never had trouble teaching other dogs.
> He has pulled my wife off her feet several times, causing her to scrap
> her knees several times, spraining her foot and breaking a finger. He
> has broken choke chains and training collars.
>
> When he is home alone with us he is sweet as can be.
>
Pitbull owners seem to say the same thing!
Graham

On 6/28/2014 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-28 11:48 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:03:31 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
>>> reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling you.
>>
>> Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either.
>
>
> Why not? You will indulge all sorts of idiocy online. I don't know
> anyone who enjoys being constantly interrupted by phone calls at home,
> often during the dinner hour. It became a big enough problem that
> governments introduced Do Not Call registries, and heavy penalties to
> enforce them. The pests got around the registries by moving the call
> centres off shore where they figure our federal laws do not apply. The
> hack numbers to disguise their real numbers and company names.
>
So don't answer the phone. It's really not a big deal. If it's someone
you know who really wants to talk to you they'll leave a message.
Unless you have voicemail via the phone company you can hear them.
Either pick up the phone or call them back.

> I didn't ask them to call me. On the contrary. I put myself on the
> registry specifically to stop them from calling. If I can keep them on
> the line that means that much less time for them to be calling other
> people and annoying them.
>
Why do you care if they're annoying other people? They have the same
option of not answering the phone as anyone. It's not your problem.

You do realize they use auto-dialers, right? That next number will be
dialed no matter how long you keep that one telemarketer on the phone.

Jill

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:51:48 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-06-28 11:48 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:03:31 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I simply don't answer. Having "fun" with them simply tells them they
> >> reached a valid number. That's one way to ensure they keep calling you.
> >
> > Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either.
>
>
> Why not? You will indulge all sorts of idiocy online.

I don't need to ask you what your problem is, kill file me if you
don't like it. I don't answer text messages from people I don't know
either.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 2014-06-28 3:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> Why not? You will indulge all sorts of idiocy online. I don't know
>> anyone who enjoys being constantly interrupted by phone calls at home,
>> often during the dinner hour. It became a big enough problem that
>> governments introduced Do Not Call registries, and heavy penalties to
>> enforce them. The pests got around the registries by moving the call
>> centres off shore where they figure our federal laws do not apply. The
>> hack numbers to disguise their real numbers and company names.
>>
> So don't answer the phone. It's really not a big deal. If it's someone
> you know who really wants to talk to you they'll leave a message. Unless
> you have voicemail via the phone company you can hear them. Either pick
> up the phone or call them back.
>

I have not yet reached the point of being so curmudgeonly or paranoid
that I won't answer the phone because it might be someone trying to sell
me something or scan me.


>> I didn't ask them to call me. On the contrary. I put myself on the
>> registry specifically to stop them from calling. If I can keep them on
>> the line that means that much less time for them to be calling other
>> people and annoying them.
>>
> Why do you care if they're annoying other people? They have the same
> option of not answering the phone as anyone. It's not your problem.
I guess the reason I care is that as long as they get a good ratio of
sales per hour spent they are being profitable. If I can put a dent in
that profit it gives them less incentive to call all the time and maybe
they will pack it in. Maybe they will develop some software to allow
them to skip the people like me who will waster their time.

>
> You do realize they use auto-dialers, right? That next number will be
> dialed no matter how long you keep that one telemarketer on the phone.

Yes. I know they are auto dialers. If i don't answer within a set number
of rings it will automatically dial the next number on its list.


BTW.... don't believe any polls you read about. For some reason I am
randomly picked way too often. I am under no obligation to tell them
the truth. I will even tell them opposing answers. For example, I was
polled about our recent provincial election. The asked asked me which
party leader I liked the most, which party I liked the best, which
candidates I would be most likely to vote for and I have to confess that
I lied about them.

On 2014-06-28 3:51 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:51:48 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>

>>> Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either.
>>
>>
>> Why not? You will indulge all sorts of idiocy online.
>
> I don't need to ask you what your problem is, kill file me if you
> don't like it. I don't answer text messages from people I don't know
> either.
>


No I guess you don't need to ask me. I am just pointing out that you
indulge all sorts of idiocy online from posters who are essentially
posters when you could simply ignore theme. You have said that, for some
reason, yo won't play games with people calling your home number.

On 6/28/2014 4:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-28 3:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> Why not? You will indulge all sorts of idiocy online. I don't know
>>> anyone who enjoys being constantly interrupted by phone calls at home,
>>> often during the dinner hour. It became a big enough problem that
>>> governments introduced Do Not Call registries, and heavy penalties to
>>> enforce them. The pests got around the registries by moving the call
>>> centres off shore where they figure our federal laws do not apply. The
>>> hack numbers to disguise their real numbers and company names.
>>>
>> So don't answer the phone. It's really not a big deal. If it's someone
>> you know who really wants to talk to you they'll leave a message. Unless
>> you have voicemail via the phone company you can hear them. Either pick
>> up the phone or call them back.
>>
>
> I have not yet reached the point of being so curmudgeonly or paranoid
> that I won't answer the phone because it might be someone trying to sell
> me something or scan me.
>
I'm not paranoid, I simply don't answer the phone unless it's someone I
know or I'm expecting the call. It's pretty simple and easy enough to
ignore the phone. It's not like it's ringing forever.

>>> I didn't ask them to call me. On the contrary. I put myself on the
>>> registry specifically to stop them from calling. If I can keep them on
>>> the line that means that much less time for them to be calling other
>>> people and annoying them.
>>>
>> Why do you care if they're annoying other people? They have the same
>> option of not answering the phone as anyone. It's not your problem.

> I guess the reason I care is that as long as they get a good ratio of
> sales per hour spent they are being profitable.

Again, not your problem. If someone *else* chooses to buy something
from a telemarketer there's nothing you can do about it. Hanging on the
phone with ONE PERSON won't change that.

> If I can put a dent in
> that profit it gives them less incentive to call all the time and maybe
> they will pack it in.

Highly doubtful.

> Maybe they will develop some software to allow
> them to skip the people like me who will waster their time.

Also highly doubtful.

>> You do realize they use auto-dialers, right? That next number will be
>> dialed no matter how long you keep that one telemarketer on the phone.
>
> Yes. I know they are auto dialers. If i don't answer within a set number
> of rings it will automatically dial the next number on its list.
>
Yeah, so you keeping *one* person on the phone isn't stopping anything.
Perhaps you're keeping them in a job, I guess that's a good thing.

> BTW.... don't believe any polls you read about. For some reason I am
> randomly picked way too often. I am under no obligation to tell them
> the truth. I will even tell them opposing answers. For example, I was
> polled about our recent provincial election. The asked asked me which
> party leader I liked the most, which party I liked the best, which
> candidates I would be most likely to vote for and I have to confess that
> I lied about them.

I don't pay much attention to opinion polls.

Jill

On 6/28/2014 4:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-28 3:51 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:51:48 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>>>> Exactly. I don't play games with unknown callers either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not? You will indulge all sorts of idiocy online.
>>
>> I don't need to ask you what your problem is, kill file me if you
>> don't like it. I don't answer text messages from people I don't know
>> either.
>>
>
> No I guess you don't need to ask me. I am just pointing out that you
> indulge all sorts of idiocy online from posters who are essentially
> posters when you could simply ignore theme. You have said that, for some
> reason, yo won't play games with people calling your home number.
>
She does seem to indulge a number of (what I consider) trolls but that's
her prerogative. So is not playing games on the phone with telemarketers.

Jill

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:42:59 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> So don't answer the phone. It's really not a big deal. If it's someone
> you know who really wants to talk to you they'll leave a message.
> Unless you have voicemail via the phone company you can hear them.
> Either pick up the phone or call them back.

My phone's volume is usually turned down, so I miss calls. I don't
care if they leave a message or not. If they're on my contacts list,
I know who it was.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:44:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/27/2014 9:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
>>>> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down. First
>>>> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
>>>> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>>>> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>>>
>>> You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
>>> sounds of hissing and screaming cats.
>>>
>> It's funny, she doesn't pay any attention to the sound of cats on
>> television or cat videos. But let her actually *see* another cat...
>> yowsa!
>
>My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that order!
>She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL succeed or she
>and I are going to fall out big time

What kind of breeding does she have, Ophelia?

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:44:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 6/27/2014 9:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>> On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
>>>>> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down.
>>>>> First
>>>>> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
>>>>> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>>>>> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>>>>
>>>> You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
>>>> sounds of hissing and screaming cats.
>>>>
>>> It's funny, she doesn't pay any attention to the sound of cats on
>>> television or cat videos. But let her actually *see* another cat...
>>> yowsa!
>>
>>My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that order!
>>She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL succeed or
>>she
>>and I are going to fall out big time
>
> What kind of breeding does she have, Ophelia?

Border Collie cross. She is a tri colour. Our last rescue dog was a Border
Collie and she was the most gentle dog I have ever known, so goodness knows
what this one is crossed with)


--
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:51:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:44:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On 6/27/2014 9:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>> On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell" with
>>>>>> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down.
>>>>>> First
>>>>>> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away* from
>>>>>> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>>>>>> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
>>>>> sounds of hissing and screaming cats.
>>>>>
>>>> It's funny, she doesn't pay any attention to the sound of cats on
>>>> television or cat videos. But let her actually *see* another cat...
>>>> yowsa!
>>>
>>>My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that order!
>>>She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL succeed or
>>>she
>>>and I are going to fall out big time
>>
>> What kind of breeding does she have, Ophelia?
>
>Border Collie cross. She is a tri colour. Our last rescue dog was a Border
>Collie and she was the most gentle dog I have ever known, so goodness knows
>what this one is crossed with)

Hmm Having working dog in her, she might be a bit of a handful. But
I know you'd be the patient and persistent type so you should have a
win in the end.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 05:36:42 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/27/2014 10:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:12:52 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where was this boyfriend she was hiking or camping with? How did they
>>> become separated? There is barely a mention of him.
>>
>> How is that even remotely relevant?
>>
>No relevence to cell phone stuff. I'm just curious. Was he out looking
>for her? Or did he just high tail it out of there and live happily ever
>after?

Sorry, can't help you with those details, the book in question is
really about mysterious disappearances, mostly in national parks, that
all share certain strange traits that make them more than mere
accidents.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-06-28 11:54 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>>> My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that
>>> order! She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL
>>> succeed or she and I are going to fall out big time
>>
>> Yeah, rescue dogs sometimes come with a lot of baggage, we've had two
>> and the current one (rat terrier) was a barker and a furniture
>> jumper/chewer, but with patience and the rewarding of good behavior
>> going on 5 years later now, she is a joy, no bad behaviors at all. I
>> know you'll succeed too. :-)
>>
> One of my previous dogs was from the Humane Society. He was a year and a
> half old half Bouvier half Shepherd. He was totally untrained, but he
> within a few weeks I had him leashed trained and was able to let him run
> loose to get some much needed exercise. The more energy he burned off on
> his runs the better behaved he was. He turned out to be a pretty good dog.
>
> We sort of rescued a Belgium Shepherd (Groenendahl) whose previous owner
> had to find a home for due to the wife having been hospitalized with
> depression and father worked out of the house and had a three year old and
> a newborn baby to care for. He was a fantastic dog.
>
> That Belgium was so good that we offered to take another Belgium, this
> time a Malinois. We got the dog from hell. I had to get a gate to take
> him in the car so I don't have to clean all the windows very time he goes
> for a ride. He barks at every dog,cat and person he sees along the way. He
> is so aggressive that I cannot take him for walks if there will be other
> dogs. I cannot let him loose near the house because he will not come when
> he is called.... even after close to 6 years of attempts to train him to
> do things I never had trouble teaching other dogs.
> He has pulled my wife off her feet several times, causing her to scrap her
> knees several times, spraining her foot and breaking a finger. He has
> broken choke chains and training collars.
>
> When he is home alone with us he is sweet as can be.

Do you know the history of the dog? Sometimes they are so traumatized that
they never settle down, it happens. Good for you and your wife for sticking
with him though, and glad that he's good at home and has a good home.

Cheri

On 2014-06-28 20:55, Cheri wrote:
>
>>>
>> One of my previous dogs was from the Humane Society. He was a year and
>> a half old half Bouvier half Shepherd. He was totally untrained, but
>> he within a few weeks I had him leashed trained and was able to let
>> him run loose to get some much needed exercise. The more energy he
>> burned off on his runs the better behaved he was. He turned out to be
>> a pretty good dog.
>>
>> We sort of rescued a Belgium Shepherd (Groenendahl) whose previous
>> owner had to find a home for due to the wife having been hospitalized
>> with depression and father worked out of the house and had a three
>> year old and a newborn baby to care for. He was a fantastic dog.
>>
>> That Belgium was so good that we offered to take another Belgium, this
>> time a Malinois. We got the dog from hell. I had to get a gate to
>> take him in the car so I don't have to clean all the windows very time
>> he goes for a ride. He barks at every dog,cat and person he sees along
>> the way. He is so aggressive that I cannot take him for walks if there
>> will be other dogs. I cannot let him loose near the house because he
>> will not come when he is called.... even after close to 6 years of
>> attempts to train him to do things I never had trouble teaching other
>> dogs.
>> He has pulled my wife off her feet several times, causing her to scrap
>> her knees several times, spraining her foot and breaking a finger. He
>> has broken choke chains and training collars.
>>
>> When he is home alone with us he is sweet as can be.
>
> Do you know the history of the dog? Sometimes they are so traumatized
> that they never settle down, it happens. Good for you and your wife for
> sticking with him though, and glad that he's good at home and has a good
> home.
>
He was originally a Hurricane Katrina survivor from Florida. The people
we got him from rescued him after the hurricane and he was about six
months old. They spent half their time in a trailer park in Florida and
the rest of the year at their cottage in an island in Muskoka where he
ran free all the time. He was evicted from the trailer park because he
was so bad.

He has calmed down a lot, especially in the last few months, but he
still can't be trusted not to bolt if let loose, or to lunge at people
or dogs if he is on a leash. He is nowhere near as vicious as he sounds.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:51:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:44:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> On 6/27/2014 9:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/27/2014 9:21 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That cat was featured on the American TV show "My Cat From Hell"
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> Jackson Galaxy. He figured out how to get the cat to calm down.
>>>>>>> First
>>>>>>> and foremost, build some places for the cat to get UP and *away*
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the crawling baby who grabs its tail. And don't kick the cat in the
>>>>>>> butt as punishment and expect it to not react in a hostile manner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're lucky Persia lets you watch that show. Mine go nuts from the
>>>>>> sounds of hissing and screaming cats.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's funny, she doesn't pay any attention to the sound of cats on
>>>>> television or cat videos. But let her actually *see* another cat...
>>>>> yowsa!
>>>>
>>>>My new rescue dog hates postmen, high viz jackets and cat in that order!
>>>>She goes berserk! I am training her to be polite and I WILL succeed or
>>>>she
>>>>and I are going to fall out big time
>>>
>>> What kind of breeding does she have, Ophelia?
>>
>>Border Collie cross. She is a tri colour. Our last rescue dog was a
>>Border
>>Collie and she was the most gentle dog I have ever known, so goodness
>>knows
>>what this one is crossed with)
>
> Hmm Having working dog in her, she might be a bit of a handful. But
> I know you'd be the patient and persistent type so you should have a
> win in the end.

Oh yes!!! ) I most certainly will She is learning that when I say
something, I mean it and she gives me 'that' look ... lol

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On 2014-06-29 5:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:

>> Hmm Having working dog in her, she might be a bit of a handful. But
>> I know you'd be the patient and persistent type so you should have a
>> win in the end.
>
> Oh yes!!! ) I most certainly will She is learning that when I say
> something, I mean it and she gives me 'that' look ... lol
>


I have problems with condescending looks from dogs. I used to have Labs
and they were thrilled just to be in the same world with me. When I had
the Groendahl it was nice to have a dog that understood hand signals and
the spoken word, but it was annoying that he would look at me like I was
some sort of idiot if I didn't understand what he wanted sometimes. My
son didn't that dog and said that if we bought another one of that breed
and something happened to us, he would take it to the pound.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:59:32 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:51:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:44:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>Border Collie cross. She is a tri colour. Our last rescue dog was a
>>>Border
>>>Collie and she was the most gentle dog I have ever known, so goodness
>>>knows
>>>what this one is crossed with)
>>
>> Hmm Having working dog in her, she might be a bit of a handful. But
>> I know you'd be the patient and persistent type so you should have a
>> win in the end.
>
>Oh yes!!! ) I most certainly will She is learning that when I say
>something, I mean it and she gives me 'that' look ... lol

I've been teaching Winnie (my dog) to give a kiss without drenching
your face. I think she's worked it out by the looks of it, just a
quick lick on the cheek this morning, yay Now, if I can get her to
stop nipping strangers... she means no malice by it, just wants to
play - but naturally it bothers and scares some people, the latter
probably more because she's a staffy/pitbull cross.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:59:32 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:51:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:44:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>Border Collie cross. She is a tri colour. Our last rescue dog was a
>>>>Border
>>>>Collie and she was the most gentle dog I have ever known, so goodness
>>>>knows
>>>>what this one is crossed with)
>>>
>>> Hmm Having working dog in her, she might be a bit of a handful. But
>>> I know you'd be the patient and persistent type so you should have a
>>> win in the end.
>>
>>Oh yes!!! ) I most certainly will She is learning that when I say
>>something, I mean it and she gives me 'that' look ... lol
>
> I've been teaching Winnie (my dog) to give a kiss without drenching
> your face. I think she's worked it out by the looks of it, just a
> quick lick on the cheek this morning, yay Now, if I can get her to
> stop nipping strangers... she means no malice by it, just wants to
> play - but naturally it bothers and scares some people, the latter
> probably more because she's a staffy/pitbull cross.

Awe they are lovely dogs until some thugs get to teaching them how not to
be. But, nipping strangers in an affectionate manner just isn't going to
be understood ) It would scare me until I knew the dog.



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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:44:32 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:59:32 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:51:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:44:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>Border Collie cross. She is a tri colour. Our last rescue dog was a
>>>>>Border
>>>>>Collie and she was the most gentle dog I have ever known, so goodness
>>>>>knows
>>>>>what this one is crossed with)
>>>>
>>>> Hmm Having working dog in her, she might be a bit of a handful. But
>>>> I know you'd be the patient and persistent type so you should have a
>>>> win in the end.
>>>
>>>Oh yes!!! ) I most certainly will She is learning that when I say
>>>something, I mean it and she gives me 'that' look ... lol
>>
>> I've been teaching Winnie (my dog) to give a kiss without drenching
>> your face. I think she's worked it out by the looks of it, just a
>> quick lick on the cheek this morning, yay Now, if I can get her to
>> stop nipping strangers... she means no malice by it, just wants to
>> play - but naturally it bothers and scares some people, the latter
>> probably more because she's a staffy/pitbull cross.
>
>Awe they are lovely dogs until some thugs get to teaching them how not to
>be.

Yeah. She did need to learn to be a little more aggressive, or
assertive - if only to defend herself, at least from a friend's female
cattle dog who was (and still is) jealous of her because my friend
also has two male dogs which Winnie loves to play with.

Well, she learned alright... one day Winnie pinned her to the ground
by the throat. She wasn't nasty about it or did any harm, just did it
in a business-like manner to make a point. That other female dog still
gets jealous but Winnie doesnt tolerate her crap any more and puts her
in her place

>But, nipping strangers in an affectionate manner just isn't going to
>be understood ) It would scare me until I knew the dog.

Yep. You just need to tell her 'no', but strangers don't know that.
She helps to deter strangers though, so it's not all bad IMO.
Might as well post a pic of Win (about a year old now):
http://www.hostpic.org/images/1406300303390102.jpg