The cabinet guys were here to finish off the end caps and a few pieces
of trim. The job is almost done. The hold up now is the ceiling. I had
had some drywall repairs to tend to and they were finished so on Sunday
I started to tackle the ceiling. There were a couple places where the
old paint had peeled a bit. We had had a repair down and I thought
maybe it was a problem with the primer on the old paint. I tried sanding
the areas but ended up using a scraper. Son of a gun, the paint was
coming off in huge strips. Then I came across an old patch job that
didn't look good. I called in a professional. He is coming tomorrow
tomorrow to have a look.

The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
that the job would be 2 days maximum.

it didn't turn out that way. It took me three days to move everything
and to rip out the old cabinets to prepare for the installation. The
initial installation was 2 days. Then I had plumbing issues. The
installers had to go back to the shop to deal with strange angles on the
end of the pantry.

It's been 4 weeks so far, and the ceiling still needs to be done.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:07:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>The cabinet guys were here to finish off the end caps and a few pieces
>of trim. The job is almost done. The hold up now is the ceiling. I had
>had some drywall repairs to tend to and they were finished so on Sunday
>I started to tackle the ceiling. There were a couple places where the
>old paint had peeled a bit. We had had a repair down and I thought
>maybe it was a problem with the primer on the old paint. I tried sanding
>the areas but ended up using a scraper. Son of a gun, the paint was
>coming off in huge strips. Then I came across an old patch job that
>didn't look good. I called in a professional. He is coming tomorrow
>tomorrow to have a look.
>
>The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
>and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
>that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>
>it didn't turn out that way. It took me three days to move everything
>and to rip out the old cabinets to prepare for the installation. The
>initial installation was 2 days. Then I had plumbing issues. The
>installers had to go back to the shop to deal with strange angles on the
>end of the pantry.
>
>It's been 4 weeks so far, and the ceiling still needs to be done.

Where are the before, during, and after pix?

On 2014-06-25 4:01 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>
>> it didn't turn out that way. It took me three days to move everything
>> and to rip out the old cabinets to prepare for the installation. The
>> initial installation was 2 days. Then I had plumbing issues. The
>> installers had to go back to the shop to deal with strange angles on the
>> end of the pantry.
>>
>> It's been 4 weeks so far, and the ceiling still needs to be done.
>
> Where are the before, during, and after pix?
>

FB

On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
> that the job would be 2 days maximum.

Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-06-25 4:01 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>
>>> it didn't turn out that way. It took me three days to move everything
>>> and to rip out the old cabinets to prepare for the installation. The
>>> initial installation was 2 days. Then I had plumbing issues. The
>>> installers had to go back to the shop to deal with strange angles on the
>>> end of the pantry.
>>>
>>> It's been 4 weeks so far, and the ceiling still needs to be done.
>>
>> Where are the before, during, and after pix?
>>

the heck with the pics - when's the grand opening and where are our
invitations?

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
>> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
>> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>
> Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
> quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.

I always wondered how they got the stuff so fast for those TV shows.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:15:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
> >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
> >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
> >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
> >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
> >
> > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
> > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>
> I always wondered how they got the stuff so fast for those TV shows.

If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
work 24 hours a day.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:15:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>> >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them
>> >> in
>> >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>> >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the
>> >> impression
>> >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>> >
>> > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked
>> > on
>> > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>>
>> I always wondered how they got the stuff so fast for those TV shows.
>
> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
> work 24 hours a day.
>
Yes, I see that. I mean how do they *get* the stuff. They can get
flooring, countertops, appliances, whatever overnight or that same day.
That can sometimes happen, depending on what you pick but usually you have
to wait for it.

sf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:15:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
> > >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
> > >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
> > >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
> > >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
> > >
> > > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
> > > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
> >
> > I always wondered how they got the stuff so fast for those TV shows.
>
> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
> work 24 hours a day.

It's phoney tv show stuff. I've seen where they bring in the painters
in the afternoon to paint a whole house. They work all night and by
morning the homeowners are moving in. Doesn't happen in the real
world.

G.

On 6/25/2014 9:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
>> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
>> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>
> Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
> quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.

First rule of home repairs/renovation: Nothing's Ever Easy.

Sometimes even just taking out the old kitchen comes with all
kinds of time consuming problems, even on tv.

nancy

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 01:13:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:15:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>>> >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them
>>> >> in
>>> >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>>> >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the
>>> >> impression
>>> >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>>> >
>>> > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked
>>> > on
>>> > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>>>
>>> I always wondered how they got the stuff so fast for those TV shows.
>>
>> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
>> work 24 hours a day.
>>
>Yes, I see that. I mean how do they *get* the stuff. They can get
>flooring, countertops, appliances, whatever overnight or that same day.
>That can sometimes happen, depending on what you pick but usually you have
>to wait for it.

Any problem can be solved if you throw enough money at it.

If you watch the credits for some of these shows, you frequently see
where they name suppliers and contractors specifically. That can be
worth *a lot* in goodwill for those companies.

Doris

On 6/26/2014 10:50 AM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 01:13:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:

>> Yes, I see that. I mean how do they *get* the stuff. They can get
>> flooring, countertops, appliances, whatever overnight or that same day.
>> That can sometimes happen, depending on what you pick but usually you have
>> to wait for it.
>
> Any problem can be solved if you throw enough money at it.
>
> If you watch the credits for some of these shows, you frequently see
> where they name suppliers and contractors specifically. That can be
> worth *a lot* in goodwill for those companies.

While they give the illusion that the tv show is in real time,
of course they have to order stuff ahead of time and you know
they pull permits.

nancy

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 01:13:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Yes, I see that. I mean how do they *get* the stuff. They can get
> flooring, countertops, appliances, whatever overnight or that same day.
> That can sometimes happen, depending on what you pick but usually you have
> to wait for it.

Depending on the show, they take whatever is in stock (in the case of
an "ambush") or the homeowners have preordered (those people have to
tell the show how much they plan to spend). I often notice upgrades
that the owners decided they wanted over and above the original cost.
In some cases, they play the "we're filming a TV show and have to wind
this up quickly" card - I saw that happen on Love it or Leave it last
weekend when she was trying to get the building inspector in pronto so
they could proceed with the remodel.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 07:48:57 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> It's phoney tv show stuff. I've seen where they bring in the painters
> in the afternoon to paint a whole house. They work all night and by
> morning the homeowners are moving in. Doesn't happen in the real
> world.

It certainly does NOT! Thankfully they are more realistic these days
as far as what projects cost. We used to watch those shows and laugh
because the price they'd quote would barely cover the materials. The
cost of labor obviously wasn't factored in and viewers would never be
able to do anything remotely like they did in RL for the tiny amount
of money they claimed was spent on the project.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:06:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 6/25/2014 9:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
> >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
> >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
> >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
> >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
> >
> > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
> > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>
> First rule of home repairs/renovation: Nothing's Ever Easy.
>
> Sometimes even just taking out the old kitchen comes with all
> kinds of time consuming problems, even on tv.
>
What always gets me are those restaurant renovations for $10K in two
or three days. After the owners sink a real half a million into the
place, the TV show remodels and makes it look like a million bucks for
only $10K? Highly doubtful, I don't care how creative the designer
is.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/26/2014 12:08 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:06:50 -0400, Nancy Young

>> Sometimes even just taking out the old kitchen comes with all
>> kinds of time consuming problems, even on tv.
>>
> What always gets me are those restaurant renovations for $10K in two
> or three days. After the owners sink a real half a million into the
> place, the TV show remodels and makes it look like a million bucks for
> only $10K? Highly doubtful, I don't care how creative the designer
> is.

I don't know, they don't seem to use expensive materials and
much of it's accomplished with plenty of labor, which isn't
part of the $10G.

At the same time, I also only care about the outcome and
really don't care about the budget.

nancy

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >
> > The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
> > ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them in
> > and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
> > coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
> > that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>
> Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
> quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.

I've done quite a few and with three good people working evenings on it
two weeks is about right for a serious remodel. Commercial remodelers
will be a little faster since time is money to them, but I doubt any can
pull off less than a week for a real remodel.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> sf wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:15:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when
>> > >> we
>> > >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have
>> > >> them in
>> > >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>> > >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the
>> > >> impression
>> > >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>> > >
>> > > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked
>> > > on
>> > > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>> >
>> > I always wondered how they got the stuff so fast for those TV shows.
>>
>> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
>> work 24 hours a day.
>
> It's phoney tv show stuff. I've seen where they bring in the painters
> in the afternoon to paint a whole house. They work all night and by
> morning the homeowners are moving in. Doesn't happen in the real
> world.

Yeah. They do that on those restaurant shows. Paint and then seat the
customers 10 minutes later.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:06:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/25/2014 9:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>> >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them
>> >> in
>> >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>> >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the
>> >> impression
>> >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>> >
>> > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked
>> > on
>> > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>>
>> First rule of home repairs/renovation: Nothing's Ever Easy.
>>
>> Sometimes even just taking out the old kitchen comes with all
>> kinds of time consuming problems, even on tv.
>>
> What always gets me are those restaurant renovations for $10K in two
> or three days. After the owners sink a real half a million into the
> place, the TV show remodels and makes it look like a million bucks for
> only $10K? Highly doubtful, I don't care how creative the designer
> is.
>
> --
> I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:06:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/25/2014 9:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>> >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them
>> >> in
>> >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>> >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the
>> >> impression
>> >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>> >
>> > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked
>> > on
>> > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>>
>> First rule of home repairs/renovation: Nothing's Ever Easy.
>>
>> Sometimes even just taking out the old kitchen comes with all
>> kinds of time consuming problems, even on tv.
>>
> What always gets me are those restaurant renovations for $10K in two
> or three days. After the owners sink a real half a million into the
> place, the TV show remodels and makes it look like a million bucks for
> only $10K? Highly doubtful, I don't care how creative the designer
> is.

I know. Especially when they have to spend $2,000 on deep cleaning and
fumigation.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 12:24:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > sf wrote:
> >>
> >> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
> >> work 24 hours a day.
> >
> > It's phoney tv show stuff. I've seen where they bring in the painters
> > in the afternoon to paint a whole house. They work all night and by
> > morning the homeowners are moving in. Doesn't happen in the real
> > world.
>
> Yeah. They do that on those restaurant shows. Paint and then seat the
> customers 10 minutes later.

We don't have smell-a-vision yet.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"Pete C." > wrote in message
om...
>
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told when we
>> > ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have them
>> > in
>> > and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>> > coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the impression
>> > that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>>
>> Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've worked on
>> quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>
> I've done quite a few and with three good people working evenings on it
> two weeks is about right for a serious remodel. Commercial remodelers
> will be a little faster since time is money to them, but I doubt any can
> pull off less than a week for a real remodel.

I wish the house next door would get done. They've been working on it for
two years and all I can see that is getting done is little piddly decorative
stuff. Still no floors or walls.

On 6/26/2014 7:48 AM, Gary wrote:

>> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
>> work 24 hours a day.
>
> It's phoney tv show stuff. I've seen where they bring in the painters
> in the afternoon to paint a whole house. They work all night and by
> morning the homeowners are moving in. Doesn't happen in the real
> world.
>
> G.
>

Met contractor that built one of the Extreme Home Makeover houses that
they do in a few days. There is weeks of planning, gathering materials
and people. Building inspector is on site 24 hours, etc.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:15:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On 6/25/2014 10:07 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> The good news is that I have been vindicated. We had been told
>>> when we
>>> >> ordered the cabinets that the earliest they could expect to have
>>> them >> in
>>> >> and start installation would be the week of May 19. We had company
>>> >> coming for 10 days arriving on the 26. My wife was under the >>
>>> impression
>>> >> that the job would be 2 days maximum.
>>> >
>>> > Takes 2 days on TV. Takes 2 weeks or more in real life. I've
>>> worked > on
>>> > quite a few kitchen renovations and none were less than a week.
>>>
>>> I always wondered how they got the stuff so fast for those TV shows.
>>
>> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
>> work 24 hours a day.
>>
> Yes, I see that. I mean how do they *get* the stuff. They can get
> flooring, countertops, appliances, whatever overnight or that same
> day. That can sometimes happen, depending on what you pick but usually
> you have to wait for it.
>
It's all fake and prearranged.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/26/2014 7:48 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> If you listen carefully, they have a larger crew than normal and they
>>> work 24 hours a day.
>>
>> It's phoney tv show stuff. I've seen where they bring in the painters
>> in the afternoon to paint a whole house. They work all night and by
>> morning the homeowners are moving in. Doesn't happen in the real
>> world.
>>
>> G.
>>
>
> Met contractor that built one of the Extreme Home Makeover houses that
> they do in a few days. There is weeks of planning, gathering materials
> and people. Building inspector is on site 24 hours, etc.

Wow.